The Prickyard

[MrEnvious]

I made this same mistake once, long ago and it led to a very ugly situation. I still feel I was right, but I also understand why I was wrong. I was wrong because I didn't consider everyone's perspective.

The invite post wasn't a rhetorical question, it was an example of LHT (Little Head Thinking). It's common, we're all guilty from time to time. She just rocked your world and you think she could end up in the Hall of Fame and you wouldn't mind being one of the select few who introduced her to the world. The M&G is standing there saying "This is the perfect time. Some of the top mongers in the area, with some of the top providers, it's perfect. She'll walk out a big star. " I understand. In your shoes I would have been tempted to do the same thing.

LHT.

Now the other perspective:

Nobody knows her. DYoung described meeting her as a SW encounter, meaning she is in some way soliciting strangers in public places. Unless he makes a habit of asking random women for P4 P, the SW designation is appropriate. She might be sweet and innocent and awesome, but she was still engaging in very risky behavior, uncle isn't the worst danger.

Nobody knows about her mental state, or whether she's a kleptomaniac or a junkie (3 reports in 24 hours isn't enough to determine a pattern). What happens if her mental state does a flip at the M&G and she becomes violent or suicidal? I've seen it happen and it's not fun. What happens if she collects a bunch of names and numbers and gets pinched next week? How quickly will she roll over?

I'm not saying any of these things are likely, but they're possible. That's the other side's perspective. That's why, even though you're justified in thinking you were right, you were still wrong.

Everyone has a right to there opinion and your's is wrong! See it works both ways. You are not the king and last word on opinions.

[IndyGuy123]

A lot of us knew once Natalie left SB and saw the big city where the streets lights stay on past 9 pm and your sit-down restaurants we were going to have a hard time keeping her down on the farm. But we never expected some of you perks like Indyguy123 to be sneaking into town and whisking her away.

We posted sentries even built a wall but somehow you dug a tunnel to rival El Chap's.

Not this time! Noobie, I and the rest of the SB crew are keeping her confined in a secret location and under 24 hour watch until after your M&G. This time our security is impenetrable.

Not the biggest prick not the smallest prick but a prick never the less.

Do you think I did not plan ahead for Noob, you, and your faithful associates. You will find out the details of this plan soon enough my friend.

Sincerely Signed,

The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

P.S.- Stay the hell out of my toy stash. The straps and cuffs are for my use. I got to draw the line somewhere. See Adam and Eve. Discounts all the time.

[Member #6963]

This is a interesting question. Many opinions and none really wrong or right but input from others could be helpful before being added to the Newbies Blog.

"True UTR" is completely under the radar. No names, phone numbers or e-mails are posted on any type of forum or website. Business is completely derived from word of mouth, through back channels on this or other boards. No reviews, no ads, no postings on any escort sites, etc. Nobody knows anything about the UTR without the UTR approving its release through her customer (s) first. This is in many peoples opinion is the definition of a "True UTR". Now is it possible that a "True UTR" can also be a provider that requests a monger to put up a post that he has a UTR that is looking for additional customers and to contact him for more details. It's just a more expedient way than sending out massive PM's. Since nobody really knows anything about her then isn't she still a "True UTR". I think it is because the key is no contact info is out on open forum (s) and backchannels have to be used to contact her. Some of these UTR's may have been on a SB site and met the monger there and is now willing to step out more into the mainstream limelight, but still remain mostly anonymous. I know several UTR's that are this way. Nobody knows their name and phone number unless the UTR provides it once they are comfortable with the initial contact through the posting monger. So please chime in to agree or disagree.

"Quasi-UTR" is a type of UTR that wants to avoid any type of advertising on any site, but is willing to have someone post about them with a minor review and / or minor description along with some way to contact the QUTR directly either by handle or e-mail address. NO phone number is posted. Still nobody knows much about the QUTR and it's up to the QUTR to respond to the contacts. The QUTR does not want reviews and limits who is going to post about them. Everything is controlled by the QUTR.

Provider is a UTR that starts posting ads, allows reviews on review sites, posts phone numbers, posts pictures, and then they are no longer a UTR. They have exposed themselves to the mainstream business and are now a true provider open to the public. Many UTR's go this route.

Etiquette with UTR's. A monger who sends a UTR's contact info out or exposes her on open forum without her approval is a "Bad" Monger. A monger who exposes a UTR, with her approval, is doing it the right way.

I think the key is a "True UTR" no matter how she is promoted cannot be contacted by any means other than through back channels. Nobody knows anything about her except that she is out there. Please chime in on thoughts.

[Jjbee62]

My post about an invite was a rhetorical question. Do you comprehend the meaning of a rhetorical question?

For all the obvious reasons you stated there was never any intent to receive an actual response, hence the meaning of a rhetorical question!

You are assuming that you know how they met and the circumstances. Aren't you the one lecturing people all the time about assuming facts they know nothing about? I think the way you phrase it is if you are not there then how can you make any comments about how/what happened?

I made this same mistake once, long ago and it led to a very ugly situation. I still feel I was right, but I also understand why I was wrong. I was wrong because I didn't consider everyone's perspective.

The invite post wasn't a rhetorical question, it was an example of LHT (Little Head Thinking). It's common, we're all guilty from time to time. She just rocked your world and you think she could end up in the Hall of Fame and you wouldn't mind being one of the select few who introduced her to the world. The M&G is standing there saying "This is the perfect time. Some of the top mongers in the area, with some of the top providers, it's perfect. She'll walk out a big star. " I understand. In your shoes I would have been tempted to do the same thing.

LHT.

Now the other perspective:

Nobody knows her. DYoung described meeting her as a SW encounter, meaning she is in some way soliciting strangers in public places. Unless he makes a habit of asking random women for P4 P, the SW designation is appropriate. She might be sweet and innocent and awesome, but she was still engaging in very risky behavior, uncle isn't the worst danger.

Nobody knows about her mental state, or whether she's a kleptomaniac or a junkie (3 reports in 24 hours isn't enough to determine a pattern). What happens if her mental state does a flip at the M&G and she becomes violent or suicidal? I've seen it happen and it's not fun. What happens if she collects a bunch of names and numbers and gets pinched next week? How quickly will she roll over?

I'm not saying any of these things are likely, but they're possible. That's the other side's perspective. That's why, even though you're justified in thinking you were right, you were still wrong.

[BobUp]

A lot of us knew once Natalie left SB and saw the big city where the streets lights stay on past 9 pm and your sit-down restaurants we were going to have a hard time keeping her down on the farm. But we never expected some of you perks like Indyguy123 to be sneaking into town and whisking her away.

We posted sentries even built a wall but somehow you dug a tunnel to rival El Chap's.

Not this time! Noobie, I and the rest of the SB crew are keeping her confined in a secret location and under 24 hour watch until after your M&G. This time our security is impenetrable.

Not the biggest prick not the smallest prick but a prick never the less.

[LancePkrbttm]

I am the CEO, SOUP, the Biggest Prick, and the lap dance receiver so I know I have zero street cred around here. A zero post newbie has more game than this geriatric, near sighted old man. However, I am going to give it one more shot. Everyone just shut the fuck up. We ain't going to agree on this. I am not getting into who is right or who is wrong. This is just really bad timing for this debate. Keep in mind this is coming from the person that likes to stir shit up probably more than anyone.

Sincerely Signed,

*See the list of names above* (Oh and least I forget Reverend of the Right Red).

P.S.- If any of the names above don't makes sense, you got about 850 posts to catch up on reading. LOL.

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. I like it when her's smells like lavender and vanilla. Especially when it's in between a couple of round mounds of ass-eliciousness. Oh and when she has those little dimples in the small of her back around her hipbone. That drives me wild. Add on long legs and an overall slender frame, I'm in heaven! What were we talking about again?

[MrEnvious]

I am the CEO, SOUP, the Biggest Prick, and the lap dance receiver so I know I have zero street cred around here. A zero post newbie has more game than this geriatric, near sighted old man. However, I am going to give it one more shot. Everyone just shut the fuck up. We ain't going to agree on this. I am not getting into who is right or who is wrong. This is just really bad timing for this debate. Keep in mind this is coming from the person that likes to stir shit up probably more than anyone.

Sincerely Signed,

*See the list of names above* (Oh and least I forget Reverend of the Right Red).

P.S.- If any of the names above don't makes sense, you got about 850 posts to catch up on reading. LOL.

I'm all for that!

[Kyussfan]

My cats breath smells like cat food. There, I said it.

[IndyGuy123]

I am the CEO, SOUP, the Biggest Prick, and the lap dance receiver so I know I have zero street cred around here. A zero post newbie has more game than this geriatric, near sighted old man. However, I am going to give it one more shot. Everyone just shut the fuck up. We ain't going to agree on this. I am not getting into who is right or who is wrong. This is just really bad timing for this debate. Keep in mind this is coming from the person that likes to stir shit up probably more than anyone.

Sincerely Signed,

*See the list of names above* (Oh and least I forget Reverend of the Right Red).

P.S.- If any of the names above don't makes sense, you got about 850 posts to catch up on reading. LOL.

[DaveRue]

I do my best to stay out of the Prickyard. So I've come up with a new category.

Stealth.

For ladies that are not truly UTR but have a very small radar cross section. So a B-2 bomber might show up as a sparrow.

Dave.

[Mmgeg]

My post about an invite was a rhetorical question. Do you comprehend the meaning of a rhetorical question?

For all the obvious reasons you stated there was never any intent to receive an actual response, hence the meaning of a rhetorical question!

You are assuming that you know how they met and the circumstances. Aren't you the one lecturing people all the time about assuming facts they know nothing about? I think the way you phrase it is if you are not there then how can you make any comments about how/what happened?

Obviously you didn't ready his original postings of where he put this review. He posted in the streetwalker as well as the other forum. FF was stating facts. That's it. Also the member that posted the two reviews stated he met her in a convenient store or near. I don't know about you but don't know too many reputable providers that are going to approach a stranger and tell their life story in exchange for services. That's what I got out of that review. That's really not the definition of a UTR and also just to clarify something. The Meet and Greet that you have stated is a public affair simply is not. The people attending providers and members have all been verified and certain rules and regulations are set forth. The hostess of this affair would NOT allow simply just a random person to be invited. UTR or not. It's ok to have different opinions of this but damn all FF was trying to explain is these " get togethers " are not for everyone and certain rules apply.

BTW yes there is a certain level of discretion but if you don't think that some of is don't talk on a daily basis and ask each other questions or need opinions on things then your sadly mistaken. Again I'm not being ride but no need to banter back and forth when obviously you were missing the point.

[MrEnvious]

Because a wedding planner would not suite you because you obviously don't understand etiquette. By the way I assumed nothing, I just read his original report in black and white in the Street Walker forum.

I'm finished so chatter on.

Glad you are finished chattereing about what you know nothing about. What you claim is black and white doesn't match her description of what took place. It also doesn't conflict with his story.

So, you broke the rules you lecture about which is that there are always two sides to a story and different perspectives of the same events. You weren't there so you can't speak on the subject.

If your profession is overseeing etiquette on this board then please get out of the profession. Nothing I did invited her to the wedding. In fact there is a provider coming that I suggested might be good to invite. I asked about it in a pm weeks ago. I don't know what criteria was used to include her. I now have a better understanding based upon more recent private discussions regarding the new girl.

Also, the only way you would know when I pm'd someone is if they told you. While everyone is talking about discretion! Odd, that the rules don't apply to you regarding discretion and talking about others circumstances when you weren't there.

Is that logical enough for you?

[Oksure499]

So, other than just being generally anti-social, one major reason I am not interested in attending meet and greets. Despite the potentially fantastic lineup of wonderful women. Is that you can pretty much count on someone in every group to not fully grasp the idea of discretion. Also, not everyone shares the same full definition of that word. My definition is pretty militant when it comes to hobbying, so y'all have fun and hopefully no one spoils it for ya, though odds are someone will and perhaps is already well on their way.

Be safe.

Truth and wisdom in your post. Some really good people had their worlds turned upside down and suffered greatly as the result of the lack of discretion and good judgement used by some meet and greet guests at an event held downtown a few years ago.

[Member #6963]

My post about an invite was a rhetorical question. Do you comprehend the meaning of a rhetorical question?

For all the obvious reasons you stated there was never any intent to receive an actual response, hence the meaning of a rhetorical question!

You are assuming that you know how they met and the circumstances. Aren't you the one lecturing people all the time about assuming facts they know nothing about? I think the way you phrase it is if you are not there then how can you make any comments about how/what happened?

Because a wedding planner would not suite you because you obviously don't understand etiquette. By the way I assumed nothing, I just read his original report in black and white in the Street Walker forum.

I'm finished so chatter on.

[Mwdude]

So, other than just being generally anti-social, one major reason I am not interested in attending meet and greets. Despite the potentially fantastic lineup of wonderful women. Is that you can pretty much count on someone in every group to not fully grasp the idea of discretion. Also, not everyone shares the same full definition of that word. My definition is pretty militant when it comes to hobbying, so y'all have fun and hopefully no one spoils it for ya, though odds are someone will and perhaps is already well on their way.

Be safe.