Rants, Raves, and Stupid Tinfoil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Bullshit

[Jimjim77]

Great post! I would like to give one exception. I find extra tipping goes a long way at most AMPs, espesially if you want to be or are a regular there. Most AMPs girls talk to each other about their customers, since they have nothing better to do when business is slow.

If you are a good tipper they will always take care of you and give you what you want. I have had girls know exactly what I like seeing them for the first time if I had seen someone else there and tipped well. I can't tell you how many times I get extra time or services for a little extra tipping. I usually get what I want without asking including extra time, services, and multiple girls.

Tl; dr Don't tip service providers. If you like the service give good reviews and go back, but don't give more cash. Negotiate with cash in hand and show them the cash. Never take more than you want to spend and know your min / max prices. Always negotiate with your clothes on and be willing to walk........ See original post for full report "..............

If anyone has more questions or needs more guidance feel free to pm me.

[PangShalom]

I think negotiating is a bad idea. It's too much talking back and forth. Here's what I do, I don't even look at a providers rates, if I like her I make my own rates and that's it. If I think a girl is hot, I tell her she's hot and I tell her what I have to spend and that's that. It's really easy. Going back and forth is a waste of time.

[Joe Looking]

Tl; dr Don't tip service providers. If you like the service give good reviews and go back, but don't give more cash. Negotiate with cash in hand and show them the cash. Never take more than you want to spend and know your min / max prices. Always negotiate with your clothes on and be willing to walk away. Negotiation get's easier when you are in the room or a regular because you can literally show her the cash she's loosing. Be strong in the face of being called cheap or any other name and don't get suckered into spending more money than you should.

When I was in college I dated a chick who was a waitress and constantly complaining about how black people were lousy tippers. In hindsight I'm pretty sure she was getting close to 10% from them and that she was a terrible waitress to them. Anyways one night we were at a nice Japanese restaurant so I thought I'd prove a point by leaving a good tip, somewhere in the 30% range because the food and service were remarkable. The owner, who also brought the food to us, ran me down in the parking lot. He explained that you should never pay someone extra for doing their job and that as a business owner he had priced his menu appropriately. He also clued me in on the fact that for a business owner the best tips are coming back and spreading the word about how good your experience was. Over the years I've learned that for the most part tipping actually decreases quality of service, especially here in the US where it has become expected no matter how poor service is. Heck everyone wants a tip these days. There's no reason to ever tip a SP, especially if you don't want the price to go up. If you're that wowed by her then shout it from the hills or make sure you visit her again. Trust me, giving them more will generally not improve your experience or make them more likely to see you again because most guys walking through the door are trying to win them over with money and there's always some fool with more money than you. Unless you give some ridiculous amount a tip won't even set you apart. Hell I'd go as far as saying stop tipping in your day to day life and if you must then keep it to 10% at most. Even "fancy" restaurants in NY are starting to do away with tipping in favor of raising menu prices and reducing staff. 1 hostess to 10 table ratio or a 1 server to 3 table ratio often lead to a poor experience for customers who don't look like the type to tip well and at many restaurants a waitress plays a very small role in your dining experience anyway.

Loosely related to tipping, carry exact change. I've noticed a lot of providers posting odd amounts like 125 or 155. I started walking out on one who decided she wouldn't accept 120 because I said I only had 20's on me. After the session she told me most guys only have 20's and she can make an extra 15 because most don't walk away.

All good negotiations start with you knowing your bottom and top price. Since this is a cash business, never bring more than your top price because you will probably spend it and leave your debit card at home. Since a lot of providers in Raleigh are pretty similar in looks these days there's nothing wrong with throwing a price out into the wind, some will not respond, some will say no but someone will say yes. If you text a chick and say 100 for the hh and she responds with 140 then tell her you have 120 or send a picture of the 120, most will bite and the ones who won't usually aren't worth it.

Once you get in the room cash is king and unless the provider has guys coming in and out (avoid those anyway) it's usually better to make 20-40 less off you than to have to wait for another guy. In these situations your willingness to walk away is usually helpful. It's amazing how many times a provider has told me she's worth it or that I should go find a cheap girl only to say okay as I was walking out saying I'd try to schedule an appointment at some other time when I had more. Taking the cash out has a strong psychological effect because it let's them know what's on the table. Also, be flexible. By flexible I mean saying ok I've got 100 so let's do 20 minutes (most who negotiate don't clockwatch) or say how about we do oral only (halfway though you can say you've got to try the coochie and most happily spread it open). Also know when not to quibble on price. If your max is 140, you came in at 80 and she countered at 140 yes you might can get 100 but 120 is fine too.

When you do negotiate, be polite and be presentable. The ones I've found to be most amenable are usually 1) worn out from seeing guys who stink, are aggressive and so on so the thought of a guy who smells nice and won't bang them out is tolerable 2) they want regulars and you being polite and presentable fit the mold 3) you're their type so they'd have sex with you anyway and the cash is a bonus.

For higher dollar ones I've had more luck either negotiating extras or not mentioning price until I get to the room. "Higher end" non agency providers usually have a set price and are unlikely to budge unless you're a regular. That said after you've seen one of them 2-3 times telling them that you enjoy their company and want it to be a regular thing can usually get 250 down to 160-180 if you've been decent to them because it's less work for them and something secure when other options dry up.

Remember you're not negotiating to get over on her, you're negotiating in order to get a reasonable price. Especially new guys pay attention to my final words. Spending more money does not make them like you, find you more attractive, want to date you or even in many cases remember you. Paying more makes you nothing more than the guy who spends more. You're never going to buy their affection or love, just their time and adjusted hourly rate over 160 is more than enough for anyone's time.

If anyone has more questions or needs more guidance feel free to pm me.

[MrSmithwick]

I don't post reviews and if I do, it's generic. Also, seeing BP girls is a damn crapshoot. To be fair, many guys are jerks to these girls and they are jaded from the negatives of this industry. Sadly, USASG contributes to the negative side of this business. Everyone gets on here and say's "Negotiate" "She did it for 100 bucks" "She let me go bareback" "She swallowed my nut" Etc etc etc. Then you have some dipshit that calls a girl up and requests the exact same thing that another guy got and to be honest, it's effing annoying to these girls. There are a lot of VERY bad providers out there. Some mediocre, some ok and some REALLY good. Now, if you want to play the game, play it right and have very good results, you're going to have to stop slumming at some point. Backpage is the "Big lots" "Dollar Tree" or "Dollar General" of the industry. Sure you might find a good dig, but seriously anything really good RARELY comes from BP. If you ever took a moment and see what most of these girls have to deal with, you would understand why they may do things a certain way or why they may increase rates or even why they turn into a beotch. Take a look at yourself in the mirror, are you just one of the many reasons good providers go bad? If you answered yes, go find another hobby. Thank you! Moving forward, I'm not suggesting you give top dollar to every provider, I'm simply saying that if you have a good provider that is well reviewed, make sure you take good care of her and most likely she will take good care of you and probably relax on her "rules" This is why I do not disclose providers I see, They like to confidentiality I bring as well as generosity. Service goes a long way if you aren't a disrespectful scumbag. For example, I see a few UTR ladies and get treated right. I've even done some nice things for them (Flowers, small gifts, Victorias Secret Gift cards, etc) And let me tell you, a GOOD provider loves this shit and will take super good care of you. A good deal of great providers have spent many days of the summer at my residence enjoying the pool, game room and home theater room. It's been almost a home away from home for them. Call me crazy, but Hell, I just allow them to get away from the BS, relax and enjoy themselves. Somewhere along the line, they remember Smithwick is a cool dude and they return the favor. Not everyone has that luxury but the point is, if you want GOOD service, you need to find yourself better providers. (hint. They usually aren't on BP) You need to save up your money, quit spending it on shitty providers and do little small things for them. Even a sweet Greeting card works. Remember gentlemen, they are playing the game with you, if you have game and bring something in return to woo them and make them feel special, you will get a lot further in your hobby. If you want a robot, machine or the like, they sell those online. "Fleshlite, blow up dolls, rubber pussies, etc" This is just my experience with 18 years in.

1: Don't post reviews. Unless you absolutely have to.

2: Don't negotiate with GOOD providers. Allow them to treat you.

3: Don't come with bad hygiene.

4: Don't Request Unsafe activities.

5: Be a gentleman.

If you do not have the funds to visit with a GOOD provider, stay home and jerk off to porn while saving your cash. It's easier, cheaper and gets you the same result. Do not try to negotiate a GOOD provider. It's insulting. I'm almost positive that a good deal of you here are in professions where you are selling a good product or service and equally get pissed off when a customer walks because your price is too high or you get upset when they want to negotiate with you because you know your profit is going to shrink.

Here's a thought. Just quit seeing bad, low rent BP girls, change your strategy. If you take 6 mediocre non GFE sessions with susie rubber holder at 100 each. Kill off 4 of them and get 2 VERY good sessions with a GOOD provider. Refuse to ever see Susie Rubber Holder and See Amber Awesome Ass for 300 each session. I promise you that you will get MORE mileage out of good sessions. I've been down this road, I did the metrics of the entire game and while I use to see cheap girls, I very very seldom do it now. Now, I'll probably get flamed for all this, but at this point, I don't guess it matters. Stay safe out there.

Katy is out for revenge -- took me for a ride to waste my time

6:30 ish and I am already in La La land thinking of Katy who looks like a caramel sundae with strawberry swirls in that outfit. I've been putting her off because been busy as shit but me and LittleLever are now on the prowl.

Call no answer. Hit voicemail. Nice voice and I infer that she's either going to be stuck up or we're going to hit it off if we meet. She calls back. I missed it. I call back, no reply. She texts me that she's on a conference call. I txt her that I am in Durham and can see her really soon. Yes, she txt me location and asks for time. 7 pm, HH. She texts me location and rate. I see her post saying fuck you North Carolina. I txt her and tell her, she's got to see me! I feel like the peace maker in the Godfather, I can fix this shit.

Txt back, time is set and agreed, 7 pm is only 10 minutes away. Traffic is out but I hit the pedal and make it there in 7-8 minutes flat. Txt her, I am here! No reply. Call her, no answer. A few minutes later, txt her, told you I'd be on time. No reply. Call her no reply. Txt her: So you going to to answer or make me wait? I wait 25 minutes. Wish her good luck and advise her not to read her own reviews. In 7-8 minutes flat she went keen on me coming or radio silence forever. Very deliberate and spiteful.

Whose fault is this? I blame Pang of the Poontang fame Why? You don't point young girls to sites where they are reviewed. Seriously, athletes can't handle criticism about themselves. We got middle-age people on here who are so sensitive, we get into a huge flame war spanning pages about trivial shit. I doubt many of us would handle it if we were called small dick, ugly, fat, etc. Is it any wonder a young girl loses her head over a little criticism.

Now I am not saying we shouldn't be able to write this shit but stop pointing girls to the nice review you wrote about them. Because eventually everything is not going to be stellar. I don't report half the shit I know on here because people point the girls to what I said about them and fucks things up.

On the plus side, I am glad I didn't see her anyway. She felt like an overrated movie that your friends get you to see and you hate it. Here is a big fuck you to anyone that recommended "Fifty Shades of Grey" or the last "Godzilla" to anyone.

BTW providers, this is us -- stop taking us so seriously:

[Carolina Dream]

LOL! - This guy nailed it!

Credit goes to Josephs from Fayetteville forums for this. I thought it was way too funny so putting it out here for you guys:

Frequently, an escort uses codewords to mask their perceived inadequacies by transforming them into an asset. Often we are asked, what does this mean or is there a glossary or dictionary, in reference to these terms, abbreviations, and acronyms.

[Amateur11]

Not quoting it due to page length factors (yw Admin), but it's sort of like the Hot / Crazy matrix. Strippers, redheads, hairdressers, and girls named Tiffany. = "hot and crazy. " The only ones I like. On that note, if anyone knows any skinny redheads named Tiffany, feel free to PM me.

And yes, there is no masking FAT. Fat is FAT. Big and beautiful do not go together ladies. If anyone prefer FAT girls, then they have a fetish. Fat is not conventionally attractive, sorry!

[Jan2050]

Credit goes to Josephs from Fayetteville forums for this. I thought it was way too funny so putting it out here for you guys:

Frequently, an escort uses codewords to mask their perceived inadequacies by transforming them into an asset. Often we are asked, what does this mean or is there a glossary or dictionary, in reference to these terms, abbreviations, and acronyms.

BBW = fat.

Voluptuous = fat.

Curvy = fat.

Curvaceous = fat.

Thick = fat.

Rubenesque = fat.

Womanly = fat.

Hourglass = fat.

Supersized = fat.

Pic of face only? = fat.

Pic of body under bedsheet? = fat.

Gives bra size only? = fat.

Busty = either saggy or fat.

Naturally busty = saggy and fat.

Real woman = saggy, fat and ugly.

Slim = no boobs.

Svelte = no boobs.

Slender = no boobs.

Dancer's body = no boobs.

Runner = no boobs.

Spinner = no boobs.

Yoga = no boobs.

Bombshell = fake boobs.

Baywatch = fake boobs.

Playboy = fake boobs.

Model = fake boobs.

Brazilian = black.

Butterscotch = black.

Caramel = black.

Chocolate = black.

Creole = black.

Cuban = black.

Dominican = black.

Ebony = black.

Egyptian = black.

Eritrean = black.

Ethiopian = black.

Exotic = black.

Hawaiian = black.

Mahogany = black.

Mocha = black.

Mulatto = black.

Nubian = black.

Mixed = black.

Mature = old.

Courtesan = old.

Gracious = old.

Refined = old.

Elegant = old.

Classic = old.

Conservative = old.

Original = old.

Age = generally add a few years, here are some frequent exceptions:

College Student = late 20's.

Just turned 18 = mid 20's.

19 = possible jailbait.

21 = late 20's.

28 = late 30's.

Intelligent = brunette.

Sorority Girl = blonde.

Selective = overpriced.

Exclusive = very overpriced.

Classy = can't afford lingerie.

Freaky = doesn't shower between clients.

Nasty = doesn't shower at all.

Upscale = snooty personality.

All American = all trailer trash.

Princess = I have an attitude problem.

Party girl = I'll be high on drugs.

On fire = active herpes outbreak.

Las Vegas = Bellagio prices, Motel 6 service.

Coed = plain looking with acne problem.

Girl next door = looks like the boy next door.

Goddess = If you believe this is me in the pictures.

Real Doll = Bubba brings you an inflatable doll, no refunds.

Energetic = methamphetamine addict.

Down to earth = boring.

College graduate = sleeps with professors.

Open minded = openly accepts tips.

Two girl show = one girl shows, one girl steals your stuff.

New to business = changed name.

New to area = changed name and moved across bay.

Only here for a few days = staying until bad reviews run me out of town.

Up to an hour = 1 shot and she's gone.

Discreet = I check your I'd.

Discrete = I can't spell.

Advance notice required = you'll never get a hold of me.

Seeks generous gentleman = ROB for the elderly.

Seeks generous businessmen = ROB for out-of-towners.

Once in a lifetime experience = you won't repeat.

I love what I do = I'm desperate for clients.

Satisfaction guaranteed = I guarantee I'm getting your money.

Snowbunny = white girl with a black pimp.

Available 24/7 = my pimp doesn't let me sleep.

AD WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS = my pimp can't type.

AD wRiTTeN iN mIxED cAsE = my pimp is learning how to type.

You won't be sorry = You'll be disappointed.

You won't be disappointed = You'll be sorry.

CMT = good massage, bad sex.

FBSM = bad massage, good sex.

What an ad DOESN'T say, is also a source of information:

Unless specified, you can assume:

Hair color = brown.

Hair length = to shoulder.

Eye color = brown.

Age = mature.

Height = short.

Weight = heavy.

Cup size = small.

Measurements = large.

[Ronnor]

Don't feel bad, Smithwick. Just start a gay forum and you'll finally be happy.

I heard he did try to start one a while back but it got stuck in the mud.

[MrSmithwick]

Well, I guess that would be the easiest way to get rid of you. I'm not nice enough to start a forum exclusively for you and your JO buds.

Don't feel bad, Smithwick. Just start a gay forum and you'll finally be happy.

[PleasureSeeker]

Don't feel bad, Smithwick. Just start a gay forum and you'll finally be happy.

[MrSmithwick]

Sadly P.S., (Or is that POS) Anyway, you aren't that lucky. Now run along Timmy, Your BP girls are waiting.

And I'll add, he's been complimenting his pal on almost every post, suddenly out of the blue. When I tried to inform him that his buddy Smithwick is the biggest trolling BS-er on this forum, he said something in PM that, out of privacy, I suppose I won't repeat but let's just say it was an extremely disturbing revelation about what they do together. I suspect this newby is just Smithy with another account. Just as unhinged and disruptive to legit members on the board.

[PleasureSeeker]

Dmizzle26 I'll piggyback off of your post if I may since I was complemented by the one in question (God knows I need all the complements I can get I'm usually getting yelled at LOL) Where do I start? I learned early in my posting that it's not the quantity of post but the content it has. That said getting a complement from someone that has 12 post doesn't boost my ego. Even if the guy or gal had 512 post who cares I'm certainly not looking for complements I'm looking for accurate information & to be educated. Like Purple45 indicated if you know some history of info on this board or the trolling smell is more stinky than the contributing smell one wonders but more importantly if you know the history or employees of certain store that someone is posting about you kinda know when someone's bullshitting you. I don't know maybe the one in question is a newbie with a lot to learn about posting, maybe their post has already outed their cover as a poser (hippie term for bullshitter) Most honest post on this board are easy to figure out but the bullshit post jump out for those of us that know what's available wherever we spend our time and money be it a AMP, book store, BP girl etc. Like I said only 12 post so far wait and see what the next few hundred say.

And I'll add, he's been complimenting his pal on almost every post, suddenly out of the blue. When I tried to inform him that his buddy Smithwick is the biggest trolling BS-er on this forum, he said something in PM that, out of privacy, I suppose I won't repeat but let's just say it was an extremely disturbing revelation about what they do together. I suspect this newby is just Smithy with another account. Just as unhinged and disruptive to legit members on the board.

[XHippie]

If I may piggyback off of your post Purple45, This guy also made a comment in the Bookstore thread that most will take as a negative shot towards them. Like its been said everybody who does post have different styles, We all have different hobbies in this forums.

The risks and rewards is all the same, Dosnt matter if its AMP's, BP, SW, Or bookstores. The point of this forum is give and gather info without any worries of being judged. Also to provide accurate and truthful info,

Alot of does want to gain respect and trust from others because we can all benefit from that, But we are all smart enough to do our research and its not hard to figure out if we are getting bullshitted.

Dmizzle26 I'll piggyback off of your post if I may since I was complemented by the one in question (God knows I need all the complements I can get I'm usually getting yelled at LOL) Where do I start? I learned early in my posting that it's not the quantity of post but the content it has. That said getting a complement from someone that has 12 post doesn't boost my ego. Even if the guy or gal had 512 post who cares I'm certainly not looking for complements I'm looking for accurate information & to be educated. Like Purple45 indicated if you know some history of info on this board or the trolling smell is more stinky than the contributing smell one wonders but more importantly if you know the history or employees of certain store that someone is posting about you kinda know when someone's bullshitting you. I don't know maybe the one in question is a newbie with a lot to learn about posting, maybe their post has already outed their cover as a poser (hippie term for bullshitter) Most honest post on this board are easy to figure out but the bullshit post jump out for those of us that know what's available wherever we spend our time and money be it a AMP, book store, BP girl etc. Like I said only 12 post so far wait and see what the next few hundred say.

[DMizzle26]

There are many different personalities on this forum and we all can appreciate the different writing styles and the way each person expresses themselves. What the board doesn't appreciate is a person who posts falsehoods and piggybacks on other people's posts just to say something. Yes, I'm calling you out because there was no girl wearing a miniskirt last week at Clayton. Your PM to me stating you left a $ tip and was promised a certain service on your next visit was all BS. I know the madam and the ladies there and you are just full of it. Oh, I went and they already knew about your post. You miscalculated thinking I would fall for your jokes and it's not funny when everything is a fabrication for your amusement. Fact, you have zero credibility in my book and I can appreciate everyone on this forum except pretenders.

If I may piggyback off of your post Purple45, This guy also made a comment in the Bookstore thread that most will take as a negative shot towards them. Like its been said everybody who does post have different styles, We all have different hobbies in this forums.

The risks and rewards is all the same, Dosnt matter if its AMP's, BP, SW, Or bookstores. The point of this forum is give and gather info without any worries of being judged. Also to provide accurate and truthful info,

Alot of does want to gain respect and trust from others because we can all benefit from that, But we are all smart enough to do our research and its not hard to figure out if we are getting bullshitted.

[Purple45]

Mrsmithwick cracks me up. We need more posters like him and xhippie instead of the angry old pervert crowd.

There are many different personalities on this forum and we all can appreciate the different writing styles and the way each person expresses themselves. What the board doesn't appreciate is a person who posts falsehoods and piggybacks on other people's posts just to say something. Yes, I'm calling you out because there was no girl wearing a miniskirt last week at Clayton. Your PM to me stating you left a $ tip and was promised a certain service on your next visit was all BS. I know the madam and the ladies there and you are just full of it. Oh, I went and they already knew about your post. You miscalculated thinking I would fall for your jokes and it's not funny when everything is a fabrication for your amusement. Fact, you have zero credibility in my book and I can appreciate everyone on this forum except pretenders.