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  1. #8730

    GFE Not

    Quote Originally Posted by JmSuttr  [View Original Post]
    If you're visiting a place for the first time, or even if you've visited before but you're seeing a girl you haven't seen before, you really have no way to be sure you'll receive a HE at all. By dropping 40 on the shelf, you guaranteed her a 50% tip before she even laid a hand on you. If she's interested in providing good service and you end up getting the HE you wanted, then it's no big deal. But if she's only interested in making maximum $ for minimum effort, then you've just facilitated that outcome.

    I never tip up front and 99.9% of the time it's never been an issue. On some occasions the girl will ask for the tip after the flip and after it's clear that we're negotiating how much she wants for her extra services. At that point there's no longer any mystery about whether you'll get a HJ or more, it's only about the price.

    I can only recall a few times when a masseuse asked for the tip up front and I think I said something like "I tip after the massage" or "you take good care of me and I'll take good care of you" or something like that. When you think about it, would you tip for a restaurant meal before it was served? IMHO, letting the girl know she will get a tip that matches her service helps to give her incentive to perform. Of course, then it's up to the client not to be a cheapskate and tip hamburger prices after receiving a juicy steak dinner!

    My best recommendation is to just pay the MMS the house fee and afterwards don't talk about $ at all unless the girl brings it up. If she asks before the massage, I would use the phrases above to let her know you don't play that game. If she keeps pushing, I would strongly consider asking to talk to MMS or even walking out. IMHO, if that's her attitude up front, it's probably not going to be a very good session anyway. If she waits until the flip and then starts the hard upsell, don't forget that you have the upper hand because you can always tell her you want massage only and no extras. Since she usually doesn't get any of the house fee, that should make her a bit more reasonable in her negotiations.

    Good luck, stay safe, and always remember that it's your hard-earned $!

    P.S. Did you get her name? It's always good to get the name of the masseuse if you have either a really good experience or one you'd like to avoid in the future. And getting the name helps out the forum members by letting them know who to see and who to steer clear of.
    One more thing.

    I would have been ok with the good to very good massage with no HE if there was some GFE. In any case, I strive to treat the ladies nice.

  2. #8729

    When to tip

    Quote Originally Posted by JmSuttr  [View Original Post]
    If you're visiting a place for the first time, or even if you've visited before but you're seeing a girl you haven't seen before, you really have no way to be sure you'll receive a HE at all. By dropping 40 on the shelf, you guaranteed her a 50% tip before she even laid a hand on you. If she's interested in providing good service and you end up getting the HE you wanted, then it's no big deal. But if she's only interested in making maximum $ for minimum effort, then you've just facilitated that outcome.

    I never tip up front and 99.9% of the time it's never been an issue. On some occasions the girl will ask for the tip after the flip and after it's clear that we're negotiating how much she wants for her extra services. At that point there's no longer any mystery about whether you'll get a HJ or more, it's only about the price.

    I can only recall a few times when a masseuse asked for the tip up front and I think I said something like "I tip after the massage" or "you take good care of me and I'll take good care of you" or something like that. When you think about it, would you tip for a restaurant meal before it was served? IMHO, letting the girl know she will get a tip that matches her service helps to give her incentive to perform. Of course, then it's up to the client not to be a cheapskate and tip hamburger prices after receiving a juicy steak dinner!

    My best recommendation is to just pay the MMS the house fee and afterwards don't talk about $ at all unless the girl brings it up. If she asks before the massage, I would use the phrases above to let her know you don't play that game. If she keeps pushing, I would strongly consider asking to talk to MMS or even walking out. IMHO, if that's her attitude up front, it's probably not going to be a very good session anyway. If she waits until the flip and then starts the hard upsell, don't forget that you havze the upper hand because you can always tell her you want massage only and no extras. Since she usually doesn't get any of the house fee, that should make her a bit more reasonable in her negotiations.

    Good luck, stay safe, and always remember that it's your hard-earned $!

    P.S. Did you get her name? It's always good to get the name of the masseuse if you have either a really good experience or one you'd like to avoid in the future. And getting the name helps out the forum members by letting them know who to see and who to steer clear of.
    Name,

    I did ask. At first I heard Joy, but she corrected me and said her name was JoJo.

    I have often tipped up front. In part because I dislike the negotiation and it diminishes my illusion of the GFE (if that is available) That said, you are right that as the client you are in a better position to not tip until it she mentions it.

  3. #8728

    Atmb

    Quote Originally Posted by Novacreeper  [View Original Post]
    Does anyone know if ATMB popped up under an assumed name? I see there's a new place on CP but don't want to waste my money if it.

    Doesn't have the same entourage.
    Not sure, but I was wondering the same. I had a dream that I went to ATMB a few times and always had great service and left relaxed. I had a dream about a new place in 7 corners. It is upstairs and private with parking. It was good service, but more business-like. A full report will be coming.

    If ATMB is still around in another form please PM it would be fun to visit.

  4. #8727

    Relax not so relaxing

    Stopped by Relax in Leesburg and did receive a massage. I was suspicious as their ad on CL had rates like $35/30 min etc. Not sure if I missed something in my research but the menu was limited. That seemed to be the only option around Leesburg that I saw but maybe you guys have better info than I. Save your $s in my opinion.

    Q.

  5. #8726
    Quote Originally Posted by JmSuttr  [View Original Post]
    My best recommendation is to just pay the MMS the house fee and afterwards don't talk about $ at all unless the girl brings it up.
    I agree with JmSuttr's post. I've always had good experiences at M and M following the process he discusses; usually, after the flip the therapist will say "will you take care of me?" and we go from there. Most recently with Jo, who does a great deep massage with back walking. FYI- it seems like there may be regular turnover there, as a couple of the therapists I have seen in the past are no longer there.

  6. #8725
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1980

    Tipping in advance has too many downsides, IMHO

    Quote Originally Posted by OldBoomer  [View Original Post]
    Based on some good reports in the summer, I have been planning to check out MM wellness. Finally got there this week.

    Good location, up one flight of stairs. Greeted by a very friendly MMS. Asked her if she was the one doing the massage. She laughed and said "no no young girl. " While the MMS was well up there in years, I would have preferred her. I paid. 8 for the massage and put. 4 on the shelf for a tip. No discussion of the tip $ occurred. A 30 something small and pretty girl met me in the room. She was mostly business. No GFE to speak of. The TS was good not great and she indicated I should wash my own jewels.

    The massage was good to very good, but little or no chat or connection. No otc or any touching. I hinted that I enjoyed the occasional HE and she responded "no HE. " I settled in to just enjoy the massage, which was ok. On the flip I asked her to do what she was comfortable with and that ended up with her massaging the eggs and me shifting the stick. She soon took charge and we were off the the races. While we got to the finish line, she seemed unhappy with the race. I thanked her for the nice massage and service. Outside I checked the time to find that she shorted me 10-15 minutes on the hour. I will not return. As is well known YMMV, mine did. As stated above, I suspect the MMS would have been better.
    If you're visiting a place for the first time, or even if you've visited before but you're seeing a girl you haven't seen before, you really have no way to be sure you'll receive a HE at all. By dropping 40 on the shelf, you guaranteed her a 50% tip before she even laid a hand on you. If she's interested in providing good service and you end up getting the HE you wanted, then it's no big deal. But if she's only interested in making maximum $ for minimum effort, then you've just facilitated that outcome.

    I never tip up front and 99.9% of the time it's never been an issue. On some occasions the girl will ask for the tip after the flip and after it's clear that we're negotiating how much she wants for her extra services. At that point there's no longer any mystery about whether you'll get a HJ or more, it's only about the price.

    I can only recall a few times when a masseuse asked for the tip up front and I think I said something like "I tip after the massage" or "you take good care of me and I'll take good care of you" or something like that. When you think about it, would you tip for a restaurant meal before it was served? IMHO, letting the girl know she will get a tip that matches her service helps to give her incentive to perform. Of course, then it's up to the client not to be a cheapskate and tip hamburger prices after receiving a juicy steak dinner!

    My best recommendation is to just pay the MMS the house fee and afterwards don't talk about $ at all unless the girl brings it up. If she asks before the massage, I would use the phrases above to let her know you don't play that game. If she keeps pushing, I would strongly consider asking to talk to MMS or even walking out. IMHO, if that's her attitude up front, it's probably not going to be a very good session anyway. If she waits until the flip and then starts the hard upsell, don't forget that you have the upper hand because you can always tell her you want massage only and no extras. Since she usually doesn't get any of the house fee, that should make her a bit more reasonable in her negotiations.

    Good luck, stay safe, and always remember that it's your hard-earned $!

    P.S. Did you get her name? It's always good to get the name of the masseuse if you have either a really good experience or one you'd like to avoid in the future. And getting the name helps out the forum members by letting them know who to see and who to steer clear of.

  7. #8724

    MM Wellness Franconia MIlage does vary

    Based on some good reports in the summer, I have been planning to check out MM wellness. Finally got there this week.

    Good location, up one flight of stairs. Greeted by a very friendly MMS. Asked her if she was the one doing the massage. She laughed and said "no no young girl. " While the MMS was well up there in years, I would have preferred her. I paid. 8 for the massage and put. 4 on the shelf for a tip. No discussion of the tip $ occurred. A 30 something small and pretty girl met me in the room. She was mostly business. No GFE to speak of. The TS was good not great and she indicated I should wash my own jewels.

    The massage was good to very good, but little or no chat or connection. No otc or any touching. I hinted that I enjoyed the occasional HE and she responded "no HE. " I settled in to just enjoy the massage, which was ok. On the flip I asked her to do what she was comfortable with and that ended up with her massaging the eggs and me shifting the stick. She soon took charge and we were off the the races. While we got to the finish line, she seemed unhappy with the race. I thanked her for the nice massage and service. Outside I checked the time to find that she shorted me 10-15 minutes on the hour. I will not return. As is well known YMMV, mine did. As stated above, I suspect the MMS would have been better.

  8. #8723

    Legit massage only

    Been to the Crystal massage in herndon this month. Its located near the carpool bar area. Usually advertises in CL. . 5 for a full hour with. 10 for the ts. The positives are that you get a full hour and pretty good massage. The providers are young in thier 20's, pretty but strictly legit. Nothing alluded to encouraged buy YMMV. Repeat visit may yield better results.

    The massage is cery thorough but no roaming allowed. You can skip the ts which is genrally after the massage here. Th eplace is clean and well maintained. Good place to go for a proper massage that lasts 60 minutes. Shower excluded.

  9. #8722

    Fwc

    Met with 'mikky', new arrival from Seoul. Probably mid30. Cute. Tight ass. Standard TS, though no roaming. Of the hour, first 45 m was spent face down in what was an okay massage / stretching therapy. On the flip, she covered and ask if I wanted anywhere else. She giggled and then proceeded. Services rendered, though not as amazing as Sue was my last time. . 8 for the house, . 4 left for extras.

  10. #8721

    Barber Shop in Lakeridge

    Stumbled upon a barber shop in Lake Ridge. The had a few massage rooms in the back. First time was with "Ve", only works there on Fridays. Mid-late 30's sexy little minx. She is only there one day a week. She allows OTC roaming. Massage is. 9, I left. 4 for $. 3 total. I went back a few additional times. Ve seems to be the only one providing extras and she does it quite well. No TS. Less stealth.

  11. #8720

    Bowery Wellness Center, Centreville, VA

    Have been there twice. Once this past Spring and once in August. Was met at door by Kim, who was the only person in the parlor. Paid. 6 for half hour. No TS available. Massage was competent. On the flip, Kim asked where I had gone for massages before. After I mentioned the River Spa, Kim whispered that she would give me an HE, but not to tell anyone, since her boss did not allow it. HE was OK. Tipped her. 4 and left.

    On the second trip I had Kim also; every thing was the same until the flip, when she refused to give the "NoVA" std HJ. Left her looking for a tip, which she did not find anywhere!

  12. #8719

    Rt1 potomac

    Visited the rt1 potomac therapy in woodbridge for a massage in mid month last month. Opted for a 45 minute special for. 6. I was attended by Nana and proceeded to a thorough table shower but no cleaning the joystick. The girl was easy on the eyes with curves in the right places. After the shower it was all business. Straight to the point and was asked to pay upfront. After I paid more than standard it was not that great. Very mechanical and uninterested nova finish. F / be / a / s would be 7/7/3/4. Was out in less than 30 minutes feeling short handed.

    If you are in the area, may be worth a try. If you do, do not pay upfront.

  13. #8718
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeod4  [View Original Post]
    I'm going to go try sandy tomorrow. Everytime I've been there its only been OTC roaming is this true for her too?
    It's true for all of the ladies that I have seen there.

  14. #8717

    Thanks for the heads up

    Quote Originally Posted by Serpico99  [View Original Post]
    I hit up an reliable noVa standard finish spot in eastern LoCo, on the street named after a flowering plant that you see hung up around Christmas time. LOL.

    Nisa (the provider with a nice meaty butt) wasn't there but a new girl was, Sandy. Pretty good looking for a mid-age Chinese (maybe late 30's?) As always, standard noVA which was good. Her actual massage was great. I know I saw her around the another spot in noVA but she claims this is her first time in the area.

    For those in the area, I would recommend.
    I'm going to go try sandy tomorrow. Everytime I've been there its only been OTC roaming is this true for her too?

  15. #8716

    Very few know how

    Quote Originally Posted by LexLuther  [View Original Post]
    I think a lot of massage therapists believe that the prostate massage is going to magically get their client to the finish line faster, thus ensuring a large gratuity for themselves. However in my experience, very, very few of these therapists have any idea how to do this. As a result, what they provide is quite painful and does nothing to help one finish. However, based upon your recommendation, I will give this place a try.

    Thanks.

    LexLuther.
    Yes Lex, very few know how. I only found the one at ST. She was very good, but her name eludes me. Let us know if you do well.

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