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[Macko69]

Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. Hell you would even head to the whorehouse or AMP with some buds, relatives, or co-workers (INSTEAD of a strip club) non-issue; hell might even stand in line for the same girl and give them shit about it.

It's not about running into friends, co-workers, family, etc and having uncomfortable looks or conversations, it's more even if you did those conversations or looks don't even happen except here in my experience. What would happen is you shoot the shit for a second just like you would if ran into them at the grocery store.

P.S. : When the hell did a five letter word starting with wh and ending with e for a provider become a swear (I. E. Lots of asterisks) on here?

Bullshit. It's not "just another hobby". Would you talk to your mom about the providers you've fucked? If you were in a job interview and they asked you about your hobbies, would you tell them, "I like to fuck prostitutes"? If you were out on a first date with a girl, would you mention that you exchange sex for money with women you've just met? If you've answered "no" to any of the previous questions, then you're acknowledging that it's not "just another hobby" and that it's not something you openly discuss with just anyone.

It seems like you're trying to portray Hawaii as backwards, and somehow the people on the mainland are more enlightened, but you're really full of crap. Yes, we in Hawaii are usually pretty discrete about these sorts of things, but so are most people on the mainland. If fucking providers was "just another hobby" on the mainland, Warren Sapp would still be an NFL analyst and Eliot Spitzer might still be governor of NY. Even non-celebrities are discrete about it because it's illegal and it could ruin a relationship or a career.

But if you want to be really open about your hobbies, please feel free to tell everyone about it. In my experience, though, there are generally 4 types of people:

1. Those that are vehemently against prostitution and think it's morally repugnant.

2. Those who are outwardly against prostitution, but is interested in indulging in porn / hookers in their own private life.

3. Those who seem like they're cool with it, but if they can use it to their advantage, will use the information they know about you to manipulate you or hurt you.

4. People who really have no problem with it at all.

Most people know better than to talk about visiting providers with anyone in category 1 or 2. And among people who seem cool with it, it's sometimes tough to tell if someone is a 3 or a 4. So to keep my life worry-free, I just avoid talking about it with anyone except for a close friend who got me into mongering.

[Bikini]

"Hey, I recognize this guy. He came out of Tokyo Spa. I wonder who he had?

Once, at Hello Kitty, the girl let me out right after another girl had let her customer out. Here we are, waiting for the elevator. So I asked him who he saw. He immediately warmed up and told me, so I told him about my date. Nothing embarrassing at all.

Also, once upon a time long ago I went to Diamond Head Video. I stepped into the back room where the porn was and immediately saw my daughter's ballet teacher. Luckily I saw him first and immediately left. Wow! I think that would be embarrassing for both of us.

[Getting Old]

Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. Hell you would even head to the whorehouse or AMP with some buds, relatives, or co-workers (INSTEAD of a strip club) non-issue; hell might even stand in line for the same girl and give them shit about it.

It's not about running into friends, co-workers, family, etc and having uncomfortable looks or conversations, it's more even if you did those conversations or looks don't even happen except here in my experience. What would happen is you shoot the shit for a second just like you would if ran into them at the grocery store.

P.S. : When the hell did a five letter word starting with wh and ending with e for a provider become a swear (I. E. Lots of asterisks) on here?

If you military then you going have a long posting but that's the way it is in the islands blame the culture or whatever but most of us that were raised in the islands were usually taught to respect our women. I think when you start sampling the providers (oriental mostly) here you will understand why. They are not the white or colored trash you are used to on the mainland. I would also not take any of my brother-in-laws to a brothel. I respect my sisters or go with any relatives but that's the haole standard not the local one FYI so before you go mouthing off to any local co-workers or civilians or neighbors just be aware.

I would advise you to get with the program because you are not back in CONUS you are here now so adjust, listen and learn and keep your trap shut till you do. You sound young and stupid like we all were, Hawaii can be a really nice duty station, as long as you above a certain rank otherwise maybe a long posting because it is expensive here and there are things you can't get at the BX. Be safe and monger on.

[Lomion]

"Hey, I recognize this guy. He came out of Tokyo Spa. I wonder who he had?

Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. Hell you would even head to the whorehouse or AMP with some buds, relatives, or co-workers (INSTEAD of a strip club) non-issue; hell might even stand in line for the same girl and give them shit about it.

It's not about running into friends, co-workers, family, etc and having uncomfortable looks or conversations, it's more even if you did those conversations or looks don't even happen except here in my experience. What would happen is you shoot the shit for a second just like you would if ran into them at the grocery store.

P.S. : When the hell did a five letter word starting with wh and ending with e for a provider become a swear (I. E. Lots of asterisks) on here?

[Uki Eater]

Hawaii is really small good chance you run into a uncle or coworker or girlfriend friend or wife's coworker or something etc.

I know everyone I s there for the same reason but still I'd rather not parade myself around and have to deal with one of those wired situations.

Yup. I bumped into a classmate from school. My coworkers friend saw his uncle at VIP. Some people don't want to ruin their image that they go to those type of places. Even if the person who saw you doesn't know you, if there's an outing or gathering, the person who saw you at an AMP might be there. He might be a friend of someone you know and you later get introduced to him. Then, both of you look at each other.

"Hey, I recognize this guy. He came out of Tokyo Spa. I wonder who he had?

[RoadRally2]

Yep I've noticed that also around here and never really understood it. Hell when you in a local AMP they are doing traffic control around showers, rooms, etc so mongers don't even see each other in the hallways (inside the joint) in my experience. Not saying we get together and BBQ or anything (like mongers do in other places) but never been anywhere until Hawaii where the community is so paranoid? Unfriendly? Unsocial? Which blows my mind as the enforcement and laws here aren't as bad as the mainland in my experience. Like in my head one place Ivy went wrong with Empire is she didn't let folk sit around and drink and socialize more in the front though TBH that might have cut into business or brought more heat.

It a cultural thing? I. e. Using prostitutes (and getting caught lets say) uniquely more shameful in Asian or Oceanic culture in a way it isn't in the rest of the world?

Hawaii is really small good chance you run into a uncle or coworker or girlfriend friend or wife's coworker or something etc.

I know everyone I s there for the same reason but still I'd rather not parade myself around and have to deal with one of those wired situations.

[Lomion]

Nobody around here would trust any monger here as far as they could throw him.

Yep I've noticed that also around here and never really understood it. Hell when you in a local AMP they are doing traffic control around showers, rooms, etc so mongers don't even see each other in the hallways (inside the joint) in my experience. Not saying we get together and BBQ or anything (like mongers do in other places) but never been anywhere until Hawaii where the community is so paranoid? Unfriendly? Unsocial? Which blows my mind as the enforcement and laws here aren't as bad as the mainland in my experience. Like in my head one place Ivy went wrong with Empire is she didn't let folk sit around and drink and socialize more in the front though TBH that might have cut into business or brought more heat.

It a cultural thing? I. e. Using prostitutes (and getting caught lets say) uniquely more shameful in Asian or Oceanic culture in a way it isn't in the rest of the world?

[Slide Hammer]

I wish the "brother" mongers you refer to would show some REAL courtesy and respect by not engaging in high risk behaviors with prostitutes like BBFS, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, etc.

Addressing each other as "brothers" and "masters" is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. What is REAL respect and courtesy is wrapping yourself up so you protect the health and safety of your "brothers" and "masters". Now, that is real quantifiable and concrete ACTION that you can take to actually SHOW respect, not just TALK about it.

If you are one of the considerate mongers that actually takes steps like using condoms and dams and refusing BB and DFK services, then I salute you. If not, you're just as much of if not MORE of a problem than the so called "disrespectful" mongers you imply are not behaving in another man's "house".

Nice rant. Kind of idiotic but at least you explained why calling eachoother brother, while trivial, can be pet peavish to some namely me. The term around here is disingenuous and therefore creepy. Nobody around here would trust any monger here as far as they could throw him. Did I mention it was only a pet peeve of mine?

Yeah so instead of waiting around and expecting the Unrealistic as you aptly put it above why not stop calling each other brother around here. Just a bunch of squirrels around here trying to get their nut on. That's pretty much it.

Nice rant there tho.

[HeineHeine]

Atmatic makes me LOL with his reviews. He's always whining about bad service as if these girls were just sex robots without feelings and preferences of their own. If you're a fat, ugly old man, you really think these girls will give you great service? Come on. They are all ACTING and pretending to enjoy their time with you, when in reality, they can't wait for you to finish and leave. Some girls like Nara are just better actors.

Atmatic, your money will never buy genuine affection and will only buy attraction if you are truly rich and can afford to be a sugar daddy. If you want a GFE, go get a fukking girlfriend. And if you can't, improve yourself so you CAN get one. Get in shape, plastic surgery if need be, work harder to make more money, learn an interesting skill, whatever it takes to get the validation you so desperately want.

I am one of those fat, old mongers. I m working with an ortho for the teeth, oahu orthodontics is installing veneers. Who would you recommend for the facial reconstruction? Thank you, sir.

[Getting Old]

Anyone know about this Japanese girl at Splash? Good looking eye candy, thinking of hook up with her one day.

Probably kiki. Japanese girl. Look like a Farah Fawcet hair. She work longtime. I think she goes E. G. After.

Hey Baldy, I hope you spent, plenty money on her already. But she has a boyfriend last I heard. But if you have deep pockets maybe you can take this guys place but you better have deep pockets. Then again these women change boyfriends like they change clothes so maybe you get one chance. LOL.

[Lomion]

It's acting and it is recognized.

Amen on that one. I think all of us of a certain size know what it's like to bottom out and the affect it has on the woman. It's a real shooting pain (couple chicks I know have described it like a hot knife in the gut), not a "discomfort", and nobody enjoys it including the dude (as not fun to ram up against or see the honest wincing on their part); last time I did there was no "grin and bear it", chick stopped everything and jumped out bed ending the behavior in seconds with that "OMFG that hurt" expression. As for that other shit, well that's why they make lube and girth isn't an issue, kids come out that hole (medical treatment level required vaginal tearing from well lubricated penile insertion among consenting adults is pretty rare, penis fractures are vastly more common). I think it's fair to see most of us (I'm surely not and in my experience neither are most of the mongers on here) aren't here to hurt women but same time, we also aren't here to get ripped off as most of the providers if they could get away with it would prefer you just show up, hand them the money, and immediately leave because "looking at them hurts".

When I go to Home Depot and open up a can of paint only to discover it's only half full I'm expecting either all my money back or, if I'm fine the amount in the can, it pro-rated and a partial refund (both for my missing half and my troubles). Fat chance in hell if you think the provider who promised a service is going to refund you all or any of your money* because you are "too big" Now I will give you for some of these girls it might not be comfortable getting jack-hammered deep all day and night and as a result would prefer you not do it but discomfort or dislike isn't pain or too big; they can get out the business, see less customers, charge less, or be up front and advertise honestly "I do FS but you aren't allowed to stick more than 3 inches in because my pussy sore from too much dick". As HiPickle said, basically just a scam to get more money for less service.

* I will say I can't say never. I stumbled into a random super hot mulatto provider in Amsterdam two decades ago and the discussion went like "Interested", "Only if you do anal", "I don't", "I'm leaving", "Well I can try", "To big", "Let me give you your money back, interested in a BBBJCIM for half? "sure". Now I was a young new monger back then and it may have been a sales scam but TBH even looking back today I don't think it was. I'm also betting most of the higher end pro's (not SW's, AMP's, etc) would also do something similar as they are after repeat business, not quantity.

[HiPickle]

I saw your reviews. You ***** and whine about providers for flattening their legs or putting their hands down there to prevent themselves from suffering more PAIN and potential INJURY. What a fukking douche. The girls are probably hurting from the 10 other ugly ass fat old mongers they just had to service with their undoubtedly bone dry pussy, but they soldier on to do their job and service yet one more ugly old ass monger like you. A regular human being would just take it easy and recognize the fact that the girl is in pain. But NO. Like a little brat throwing a temper tantrum, you come on this forum and ***** and whine about the fact that a girl was in pain and didn't want deep penetration at that moment in time.

Actually, I'd bet my left nut. I'm probably 20 years younger than you or at least look it. It's not pain or it would be recognized. It's acting and it is recognized. Since I'm a day monger, their evening work has yet to start, so I doubt if I was number 3 of the day. Yup, I threw a temper tantrum right here. Liked it. Dick head.

[Lomion]

Admin / A2:

Hey just seen your post after I posted that other post (spent some time writing it, hadn't refreshed the screen), wasn't trying to break your "cease and desist". Feel free to delete it (and this one) if you feel it does.

[Lomion]

Makes a lot of sense and can't argue from a medical perspective.

Not to start a safe sex rant here but not really. End of the day the main non-protected problem out there is HPV and probably every monger or provider under the sun has already checked that box (and none of us, including them, are of the vaccination generation on this one). The other two killers, HCV and HIV, the risk really isn't that big. I chat up the Life Foundation folk occasionally and the Hawaii HIV rate outside gay men is pretty low in Hawaii, talking about 700 on the entire island of which the majority are under treatment (I. E. Viral counts low enough to basically be non-transmissible) and they also echo the sex work community is pretty clean or treated; most of the untreated ones are outside the standard sex trade we all know and love (I. E. Most are normal girls in denial that their boyfriend is downlow or non-sex worker drug addicts). Now even if we ignore that here and pretend that all 700 of them are providers (given the business) there has never been a recorded case of HIV transmission via DATY / O even in acute cases where the viral load is through the roof**. As for the other BB "risky" behavior need to remember outside the initial three month acute stage and still untreated you are talking single instance monger rates of like. 03% and. 06% (vaginal / anal respectively) or (worst cases during acute period) . 78% and 1. 5%. Now those are single instance rate risks and you do it enough you might lose that lottery hence I don't BB anal or vaginally very often (I'm not perfect here either) but let's not act like it's a high risk behavior especially herein Hawaii (we aren't talking Pattaya or South Africa here). And if you want to talk HVC ditto never been a single recorded case of it being passed via oral sex period and sexually it's about 0. 01% (yes you need to on average bang about a million HVC infected workers to catch it once. Not sure about you but I don't have that sort of cash flow or time).

My point here is don't be thinking or blaming those bb mongers among us "contributing to the problem" because honestly you are going to have to win the lottery to get HIV here in Hawaii to catch it as heterosexual* monger and you aren't going to get it period if you are bb oral only (receiving BJ or giving daty). Now I'm not saying don't wrap your junk because there are plenty of non-deadly STI's out there, single instance adds up over time and would suck to catch HIV, and that whole infectious disease herd protection thing (I. E. Everybody wrap but me makes it safer for me if I don't) but let's not pretend our bb folk (especially the oral ones) are walking factories of death.

Really the deadliest of the bunch is HPV given ease of transmission and prevalence above age 20 (with Western natives; our eighteen year old Chinese providers probably aren't getting HPV vaccinations but that's just my guess), lack of testing for men (as in they don't even make a test for men, not a single FDA approved test), the overwhelming proof adding up in the past couple years that the vast majority of mouth cancer is HPV caused (and sadly often not diagnosed until late stage). Don't want to catch HPV and never had it, LOL not in our business TBH. Never seen numbers on it but seen a lot of speculation that something approaching near 100% of sex workers and mongers by age fifty have been exposed to (and have the antibodies) for HPV. Maybe in about thirty years HPV will be at HIV transmission rates but has to wait for all us old fucks to die off.

Sex is risky, such is life. Don't like it, do something else.

* Speaking of that (and not my thing either) but just realized I don't think we have a homosexual provider or monger section USA sex guide. I know you got straight mongers out there enjoying the mahu's occasionally (they obviously getting business), straight out homosexual mongers (I. E. Old, ugly, or fat dudes that can't get it for free anymore even among the sexual promiscuous MSM or ones that want young bucks), and ditto homosexual provides but don't really hear reviews of them. They got their own forum somewhere else? Just thought about this as I was writing above as always considered this a monger board and TBH a monger is a monger and provider a provider but this forum pretty straight as far as I remember.

** There is a reason you don't hear much about lesbian (not bi-sexual) HIV rates; it's basically non existent.

[Admin2]

Drunk drivers and smokers who smoke right in front of others get shamed all the time. And rightfully so. I don't give a rats ass what you do to yourself. You want to smoke, drink, do drugs. Fine. Go ahead.

I only care when your actions affect others, including myself and my friends and loved ones. You drink and drive. You GO TO JAIL. You smoke in a non smoking area. You get cited. You peddle drugs to little kids? Toss your ass in jail and throw away the keys.

See the difference?

People who intentionally go bareback with providers who see literally THOUSANDS of dudes are just as dangerous as drunk drivers. I'm not just talking about AIDS. I'm talking about antibiotic resistant gonorrhea, syphillus, hepatitis, and HPV. These can lead to cancer, liver disease, and DEATH.

It's infuriating to see the level of fukktarded ignorance on this forum. No where else on any other forum do we have a more idiotic and ignorant group of mongers than Hawaii. Who actually ***** that providers don't offer BBBJ or BBFS or DATY. It's like a bunch of fukking Neanderthals around here. All these mongers care about is their own selfish and momentary pleasure.

Newsflash, losers: if you want a GFE, get a fukking GIRLFRIEND.

I've heard this shit before and what none of you tight ass let me tell you what to do guys never understand is this.

Their behavior CAN'T hurt you. It can't hurt you because they are doing you a service. I know you're thinking that because I'm spanking you here that I'm a natural kind of guy and nothing could be further from the truth. I have never, not one fucking time, nailed a commercial sex worker unwrapped and I NEVER will. That's my personal decision, and because I NEVER fuck professional sex workers without a cap I am minimizing, but not eliminating my risk.

However what I also NEVER do, is engage in sexual behavior with commercial chicks that provide raw services. If you had half a fucking brain you would stop talking about this and start taking notes.

As far as talking about it here's the deal. We both agree that having sex with commercial sex workers is nuts. Where we disagree is that we have some kind of right to denigrate other people because of the choices they make. I'm telling you that you're done with that. Unless the guy you're talking about borrowed your dick to fuck some chick you are done commenting on safe or unsafe sex on any thread except the designated safe sex thread.

To the rest of you guys in this with him. THIS is the last word on the subject. Move on to some other stupid shit. Yes I know it's the fight thread but I'm sick of reading it.

A2