"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[IluvSmellyFish]

Thanks for the great post. Educational for newbies, a reminder for those of us who are not snipped, while providing a good laugh.

A couple months ago one of my 2-4 times a month SBs informed me that she was with child and that I was the Father. We often times would purposely rendezvous while she was ovulating as she claimed she was extra horny and I enjoyed the extra moist and warm taste of her flower. Two factors seemed to negate the probability of my being responsible. First, most of our fun usually ends with me coming in her ass rather than puss and second, I had a vasectomy over 3 years ago. I'm sure my procedure was discussed early on as I don't wear a cover, ever. When I reminded her about my altered plumbing the SB didn't miss a beat and said I still must be the Father as she had been "faithful" to me since we started our arrangement. I guess crazier things have happened but the blood work a couple weeks later proved that I was not the Paternal side of the equation. I can only speculate that the SB now carries the second coming of Christ as, apparently, she has had a immaculate conception.

[FyrGuy33]

After an extensive discussion tonight, POT#1, the 22 y / o AA co-ed, and I have parted ways. We had discussed sugar early on and I thought we were in agreement. Well, apparently when I was talking in terms of see notes, she was talking in terms of K notes. 2 K per month, not the 150 per date, is what she ultimately wants. Too bad because she was pretty hot and we got along really well. NEXT!

POT#2 is having breakfast with me tomorrow. 46 y / o MILF. If she feels comfortable, she has confirmed a trip to the FC from the diner. This one is very happy with 150.

Now, as luck would have it, I now have POT#4 in the rotation. This is a 39 y / o MILF I had a FC trip with last summer. Extremely good head game, maybe the best I ever had. Unfortunately, she Aunt Flo was visiting that day and she did not advise me and reschedule. I was pissed enough at that that I never contacted her again. Lo and behold, yesterday she sends me a message on SA. Her hair is different now and she made a new profile so it took me a while to put it all together. I figure that since I'm dumped my rotation and I'm starting over, I should give Princess a chance to make it up to me. She is a very submissive woman so I'm thinking this could be really, really good. We are getting together again on Thursday for "lunch" at her condo. Did I mention this is another 150 gem?

To the new guys here, I can't stress enough that you need to adhere to no more than 150 per meet as much as you can. Before I found this forum, I was typically offering 200. I learned quickly that there is plenty of quality pussy to be had at the 150 price point. Oh, you will have some walk away if you don't go to 200 or more. But, always remember, there are more girls out there looking for us than there are guys looking for them. And, most of the guys looking for them are really creepy and rude, so we have the advantage.

[Bruco]

Wow. What a find. This thread is a life saver. I started dipping into the bowl about a month ago with some mixed results, mainly due to being an idiot. The first few weeks was all GPS girls asking for $2 k a month. Finally got a few better leads.

SB#1 - 23. Typically white single mom with crap job. I stupidly agreed to a price for a dinner date off the bat and then she conned me into sending her babysitter money. So basically it cost me $125 for the privledge of buying her dinner. Strike 1.

SB#2 - 25. White, seemed shy and naïve, but cute. Thought I was much clearer about what was going to happen. Went for drinks. Things went well, she said she liked me. So, I said time for the FC and all the color drained from her face. She totally thought I was just paying her to have drinks. She said this was her first time trying this and I actually believed her as her reaction was so genuine. She said she felt bad but wasn't quite ready for that. I decided to give her a little money and said it was ok and left. Strike 2? Fast forward three days later and I get a text saying that she could really use some spending money for the weekend and if I wanted to come over. She added that there would be no miscommunication this time. 30 minutes later and I'm balls deep. So I'm keeping her around. She's a sweet girl and she now knows what's expected.

Since SB#2, I found this thread and I'm finally handling things the right away. Have 3 M&G's for next week with no assumption of sugar until we agree on something. And these are higher end girls than #1 and #2.

I'm digging this SD thing. Its work but it's fun and now I'm not an idiot. Thanks fellas!

[Rouleur]

DANGER WILL RODGERS!

All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.

A couple months ago one of my 2-4 times a month SBs informed me that she was with child and that I was the Father. We often times would purposely rendezvous while she was ovulating as she claimed she was extra horny and I enjoyed the extra moist and warm taste of her flower. Two factors seemed to negate the probability of my being responsible. First, most of our fun usually ends with me coming in her ass rather than puss and second, I had a vasectomy over 3 years ago. I'm sure my procedure was discussed early on as I don't wear a cover, ever. When I reminded her about my altered plumbing the SB didn't miss a beat and said I still must be the Father as she had been "faithful" to me since we started our arrangement. I guess crazier things have happened but the blood work a couple weeks later proved that I was not the Paternal side of the equation. I can only speculate that the SB now carries the second coming of Christ as, apparently, she has had a immaculate conception.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Smokarz sorry for the overly complicated tips. I tend to be overly descriptive sometimes. Abbreviated version is below.

Tell her to make sure she's empty before you go anal on her. If she's not clean or you don't know, jimmy up. If she's clean and you're not worried about stds go raw. Use plenty of lube and go slow if she doesn't like pain and that's your style. If she enjoys pain or you like it fast, hit it hard and fast.

Just my two cents.

Thanks SmellyFish.

Danny this sounds complicated, and lots of work. She said she had done it only twice with her ex hubby. But they did not use lubes and it hurts her.

Yeah, I had UTI once and I k ow exactly how that feel. I was in the hospital a few days taking antibiotics while having mini-me being poked at and examined. I will put on a cover just to stay safe, and make clean up easier. Also, we'll be at the hotel so no need to worry about the sheets or mattress.

[FotoGuy1970]

The SB I had seen a couple of times was cut from my line-up. She was terrible at keeping her dates with me and I got sick of it. If a girl cancels or misses a date with me because she fell asleep, forgot, is tired from work, etc. , there's only so many times I can hear excuse after excuse before I tell her to hit the road.

A POT I met a week ago finally has an opening in her schedule and we'll be spending an overnight in the FC.

I met a POT recently who was very nice, very cute. M&G went very well. We made plans to go to FC for an overnight soon. But then she went completely dark. I found her FB page and it seems like she has a boyfriend she lives with. I don't know the exact reasons she stopped responding to texts, but I would bet he plays a big part in it.

I hate these girls that just leave us hanging. Give us the appearance that they liked us at the M&G and are all set to go to the next step, and then they just disappear with no explanation or apology. It's one of the most irritating parts of the chase for sugar.

[Member #5570]

If this isn't her firstime you should be fine. She will know to make sure her bowels are empty.

Thanks SmellyFish.

Danny this sounds complicated, and lots of work. She said she had done it only twice with her ex hubby. But they did not use lubes and it hurts her.

Yeah, I had UTI once and I k ow exactly how that feel. I was in the hospital a few days taking antibiotics while having mini-me being poked at and examined. I will put on a cover just to stay safe, and make clean up easier. Also, we'll be at the hotel so no need to worry about the sheets or mattress.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Just my two cents here. I am sure others have their tips and preferences for backdoor play.

If this isn't her firstime you should be fine. She will know to make sure her bowels are empty. If not, make sure they are by either an enema (cold coffee since the caffine will be a diaruetic). That is on the extreme end of course, so long as she has relieved herself you should be fine. Mainly you want to avoid her losing control of her bowels while you are inside if her. Depending of your size, some girls lose control because the pain and the fact that there is a hard penis spreading their starfish. If a lot of lube is used, that doesn't help with bowel control either. Basically, unless you don't mind poop on the bed and on your Johnson, make sure her bowels are empty. Of course some guys get off on that kind of stuff. I'm not one to judge.

Lube is whatever your preference is, since you've indicated you're going in uncovered. I personally don't have a prefernce one way or the other and have used spit and a girls juices as lube. Avoid at all costs those lubes that give extra sensation. If this is her first time, handling you inside of her might be hard enough. Apply the lube liberally to her starfish and use your fingers to work the lube inside her. Apply it liberally on your little head before entry.

I like to work slow and get the starfish ready. Starting out with the shocker is a nice way to begin to work her way up to handling something bigger. Then increase the fingers and finger sizes until the are the size of the girth of your little head.

I like to go slowly at first. Some girls I've met like to be on top so they can control the speed. Some girls prefer anal mish (put a few pillows under her to provide easier access), or the other alternative is to go with the porn scene, from behind action. I've found that to be my favorite.

I normally go in backdoor covered to avoid getting a uti (yes, men can get them) until she becomes used to the routine and makes sure she's empty back there. (once she gets used to it though its great since you can unload without any fear of pregnancy) . It also makes cleanup much easier. Put a few towels down on the bed beforehand to avoid having to wash your sheets. If she does have an accident you will want to save your mattress.

So, my MILF SB allow me entry in the back door on our next meeting. I hate to admit it, but I'be never done back door. But hey, I got to try it at least once.

I will be diving in raw, no cover.

So, what tips can you fine gents offer? I see we do have some very experienced back door'ers in here.

- How you you prepare for this?

- How do you properly clean up after?

- Which lube to use? Water based or silicone based? How to apply it? What's the best brand to buy?

Anything else you can throw at me to help guide a newbie to that back door, please do. Thanks.

[JZLizard]

DANGER WILL RODGERS!

All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.

I completely agree with this. There has been an emerging trend over the last decade or so of "sperm seekers" whose single focus and goal in the game is to have a child. I learned more about this in civy dating than the bowl could ever teach me.

Their motives vary, some are young and just have a strong maternal urge and they see "having a baby" as the best way to deal with lack of career options or whatever. Sometimes, they hit their late 20's-early 30's and feel the clock ticking and decide that having a kid is the thing that matters most to them. Some of them are lesbians that just aren't going to get the seed from their actual partner.

They then start coming up with a plan to have a kid using whatever methods are available to them. Because the days of the old "Leave it to Beaver" type family are gone, there are MANY methods available to them, and one of the more attractive options is to simply find a man who has the means to support the kid and take some of the career stress for the mom off for the next 18 years or so, who is also willing to be a donor of free sperm.

18 years of financial support just for spreading your legs for a few minutes is a really good deal for anyone, even if you're a lesbian that doesn't particularly care for cock, it's well worth it to them.

I once had a fuck buddy friend -- a real stunner actually, who said she was thinking about just being a single mom and raising a kid on her own (she actually had a good job and the means to do it). She said she wasn't sure if she wanted a man in her life permanently, just the kid and the career. She then started discussing the possibility of paying me to get her pregnant (no, I'm not kidding -- legal paperwork and all). And no, I did not take her up on it.

Just be careful. How careful you need to be depends on your own situation. To one of these sperm-seekers, a sugar daddy is a prime target to achieve what they want, not only having to pay the donor but turning the tables so that the income is pointed the other way.

[MyHobby]

Thanks for the responses fellow. I guess not all is lost, we have exchanged a few texts since yesterday and I have decided to up the offer to 150 per date and she happily accepted. Now, some of you guys may scream, but I think this baby is worth it. She really does have a banging petite body and a cute face to go with it. And also, 100 per date is really tough to sell in my market.

I am trying to set up the second date in the FC again, with clear expect that panties will hit the floor this time. But with her working two summer part time jobs, getting our schedules align is a bit tough. More to come on this.

Anyway, I am meeting my MILF SB again this Friday and I will be going in the back door. First time for me, LOL. I will create a new post to ask for tips on this.

I'm in the same market and $100 is a tough sell but doable. I'm pretty much refusing to go over $150 these days.

[Member #5570]

So, my MILF SB allow me entry in the back door on our next meeting. I hate to admit it, but I'be never done back door. But hey, I got to try it at least once.

I will be diving in raw, no cover.

So, what tips can you fine gents offer? I see we do have some very experienced back door'ers in here.

- How you you prepare for this?

- How do you properly clean up after?

- Which lube to use? Water based or silicone based? How to apply it? What's the best brand to buy?

Anything else you can throw at me to help guide a newbie to that back door, please do. Thanks.

[Member #5570]

I've been texting this 21 yr AA coed spinner

Thanks for the responses fellow. I guess not all is lost, we have exchanged a few texts since yesterday and I have decided to up the offer to 150 per date and she happily accepted. Now, some of you guys may scream, but I think this baby is worth it. She really does have a banging petite body and a cute face to go with it. And also, 100 per date is really tough to sell in my market.

I am trying to set up the second date in the FC again, with clear expect that panties will hit the floor this time. But with her working two summer part time jobs, getting our schedules align is a bit tough. More to come on this.

Anyway, I am meeting my MILF SB again this Friday and I will be going in the back door. First time for me, LOL. I will create a new post to ask for tips on this.

[FredMoore]

I've been texting this 21 yr AA coed spinner for the past week, that had agree to 600-800 per month allowance, and finally set up a MG at the FC today. Usually, these meetings end up with plenty of action. She's 5'5 slim, with a nice booty.

So, did I have a brain fart moment? A girl shows up at the FC in a dress with no bras and panties is definitely begging to be fuck right?

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You are just doing what we do. I think we get action so often that we ass-ume that every chick who shows up at the FC is down with the one eyed snake trick. It never hurts to be specific in the prelim discussions. Hope you found a backup to cover the FC.

@DandyDon
she is requesting that I go hatless, insisting it will be ok, that she has timed it right.
Go for it if you are incognito. If she is coming to your home and knows where to find you then be careful.

[RubberyMan]

DANGER WILL RODGERS!

All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.

It may well be she is telling the truth. That she IS timing it right. To get pregnant.

Given that the pregnancy rate for people using condoms as their sole method of contraception is about 15% per year for a couple (compared to 85% for no contraception), even using a hat is risky IMHO.

It's one of the reasons I prefer married SBs. Someone who has a partner has someone who will double check that their wife has taken the pill. And if there is a mistake, much less likely to be my problem.

[FyrGuy33]

Really been sidelined the last couple of months because of no alone time. What's been bad is there were some very good POTs in my area that I couldn't seal the deal with do to time constraints. So I whiffed on some seemingly quality ones. I was also a little bummed that my 19 year old UTR girl had gone off the grid. I have a week or so of freedom, I wanted to experience quite a bit, but it was looking grim.

So what to do, fresh prospects bailing because they don't think I am serious, so I mined the old field. Been in contact with a 19 year old who I met let summer for a one and done and we tentatively have plans for a day. Rekindled talks with 31 year old MILF, also set up tentative meeting. Been talking to an 18 with some extra weight, but I have a hard time turning down any 18 year old and she is on board. And lo and behold, my 19 year old utr resurfaces and will be here in about 30 minutes.

Now, something interesting about the 19 year old utr. She is not on OCs. So I wrap it up every time. This will be the 8th time I have been with her, and she is requesting that I go hatless, insisting it will be ok, that she has timed it right. I don't trust this at all and wonder if she wants to get pregnant. Anybody else experience such a request?

DANGER WILL RODGERS!

All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.