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  1. #6028
    Quote Originally Posted by CookyJar  [View Original Post]
    I was starting to think I had made my original post too vague. Even with the hands and the very soft mellow voice, I was not sure. I had no problem asking if she was a girl. Although, most female impersonators have no problem answering, yes. Among themselves and in jail they consider themselves female or members of the opposite sex. (They call their assholes, pussies.) That is why even though she said she was a girl, I still had my doubts.

    I believe my asking for pictures is what spooked her.

    Straight girls who have something to hide, like stretch mark or scars, will often decline to take pictures. They will not give a reason and just say no. Girls with nothing to hide will sometimes say no and give a reason like, the internet. This girl just clamed up and said no to the pictures and tried to hook me for some head and pussy. Mind you, some gays are very good at disguising their asses as pussies. I have had discussions with gays claiming they can fool the average guy. I do not want to find out, the hard way, if this is true I always do a hardcore visual or physical check.

    Because she looked like a very pretty blonde white streetwalker, sounded a lot like a white streetwalker and except for the hands, appeared to be a white streetwalker, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt. I would not want to hurt some girl's changes of making a living. Until someone gives definitive proof or verifiable objective proof, I will continue to give her that benefit of the doubt.

    Why? Why the benefit of the doubt? I will answer that in my next post.

    CookyJar.
    Is she about 5'9, platinum blonde average body not skinny nor chunky? If she is, I might have met her. And yes her voice sound like Marilyn Monroe. She might be the girl you met if you could confirm. If she's the one, I'll tell you her story.

  2. #6027

    RE: The Blonde

    Quote Originally Posted by Bond007  [View Original Post]
    Funny thing is I think I meet this I will call person today. Tall blonde smiled real nice gives you the come get me look. Meet her / him between Tioga and Ontario around 11.00 . As soon as he / she got into the car something felt not quite right, she wanted to do the cop check at that point I am checking out her hands, the old Seinfeld episode about man hands came is the first thing that comes to mind. I wanted ask her if she was a man but could not get the words out, so I told her that I just did a date, gave her a couple of bucks for her time and that I would be back later when my battery was recharged.
    I got out of there quick so yah if any body knows for sure one way or the other let us know.
    I was starting to think I had made my original post too vague. Even with the hands and the very soft mellow voice, I was not sure. I had no problem asking if she was a girl. Although, most female impersonators have no problem answering, yes. Among themselves and in jail they consider themselves female or members of the opposite sex. (They call their assholes, pussies.) That is why even though she said she was a girl, I still had my doubts.

    I believe my asking for pictures is what spooked her.

    Straight girls who have something to hide, like stretch mark or scars, will often decline to take pictures. They will not give a reason and just say no. Girls with nothing to hide will sometimes say no and give a reason like, the internet. This girl just clamed up and said no to the pictures and tried to hook me for some head and pussy. Mind you, some gays are very good at disguising their asses as pussies. I have had discussions with gays claiming they can fool the average guy. I do not want to find out, the hard way, if this is true – I always do a hardcore visual or physical check.

    Because she looked like a very pretty blonde white streetwalker, sounded a lot like a white streetwalker and except for the hands, appeared to be a white streetwalker, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt. I would not want to hurt some girl's changes of making a living. Until someone gives definitive proof or verifiable objective proof, I will continue to give her that benefit of the doubt.

    Why? Why the benefit of the doubt? I will answer that in my next post.

    CookyJar.

  3. #6026

    Listen to Gator!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gator145  [View Original Post]
    Just a little info I forgot to put in my last post.

    The "current or fair rate" is not posted or discussed in public that I know of.

    I would venture to say the fair rate is what is fair to the purchaser and provider at a given time and place. It is the rate that one feels comfortable with, considering the provider he is with. Of course if the provider agrees to any stated rate during the preliminaries, then that becomes the current or fair rate at that time. All things are negotiable in this game of ups and downs. What one provider may be comfortable with another may not. The one that is not comfortable with certain rates will then rant and rave about how the other girls are dragging her pricing structure down.

    This is a game of what is fair and reasonable to those making the deal. For the most part there are those that drive around for hours on end and then just before they leave the area decide this or that girl is the one they want to be with. She gets in the car, and the guy on an extremely tight budget, tells the girl $ 5. 00 or 10.00. Most girls won't even bless those offers with a No. So these guys, and there are a bunch of them, drive more endless hours in circles until they find that girl that will accommodate them. They do the date and go home. When they get up after a few hours rest they look and wonder WTF is dripping from his dick. Then he ventures out again and tries the same crap all over again.

    These guys are not getting what might be considered a current or fair rate. They are getting exactly what they paid for.

    I tend to stay away from those girls that think they are Gods gift to the avenue. The ones that think their pussy lips are gold and must be financed through a Merrill Lynch loan. They are as much a problem as the 5 and 10 dollar guys. What do these girls have and can they do that others cannot?

    Those girls do not last long at all. The market cannot sustain the over inflated pricing. In order for the market to continue there must be a balance between client and provider. Any girl will agree the 30 - 40 dollar guys five times a month are a much better deal than the one time 60 - 80 dollar guys. Reasoning is obvious. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
    I like everything Gator has to say! Reread it a couple of times it is that good!

    Oh and if one is going to hobby, learn to grow a pair! By that I mean learn how to politely NEGOTIATE! Way too many dudes out there are too wimpy to counter when hit with a high offer. Others just don't think with their big head!

    When a girl sits in your car she's is initially sizing you up: are you dangerous, going to be a jerk, how nice is your car, clothes, shoes? If yer nicely dressed and in a nice car, she's gunna hit you with a high initial offer. Believe me, there are dudes out there that will pay anything. But why pay 80-100 to some drugged out girl, for a date in your car or a seedy, roach infested place, when that will buy much better quality and safer circumstances elsewhere? I guess a fool and his money are soon parted?

    So yeah, I have had girls ask for 100,120, 200 when they sit their azz in the car. I usually remind them that the street is 20-30 and they (seeing I'm knowledgeable) usually back off pretty quick. Oh and there are those that will tell you, "I get 150 when I'm on BP!" That is an easy one, as all one has to do is remind them that you scooped them off the street, and not BP. You are willing to pay street rates. If she doesn't back down. LET HER OUT OF THE F'ING CAR! What most don't understand is that letting a girl out of the car is often the right thing to do. First, it is no loss to you as when you showed up on the street you were "looking. " Once she gets out, you are still looking. So no worse off than you were. Second, you are showing you have some BALLZ and aren't a wimp, target or potential victim. Believe me, you don't want to be on the streets looking vulnerable or weak. You don't have to be rude, angry or aggressive - just firm. Finally you are doing yourself and others a favor by rejecting her outlandish request. Girl is slowly getting an education about what the market will pay and next time you see her, she'll be more open to "normal" rates.

    But for the negotiations to work, one has to have BALLZ! If the girl can sense hesitation in you, anxiousness or thinking with the little head, you are going to loose! Look these girls do this day in and day out. They are perfecting their craft everyday. Learning who they can get a HUGE pay day from, and who to take the normal street rates from. So one can let themselves be played or they can learn how to play the game!

    What sets the "rate" on the street? I suspect it has something to do with the cost of meds. Now this is an area where I have little info. Just that once shared by a girl. Seems like a bag was in the $7 range (so any time you need to get a girl out of yer car in a dangerous situation $7 is enough for one round of meds). Then I was told a "bundle" (what 10 bags?) is discounted at 30? Hmmm, so a BJ = bundle and FS = bundle, pack of smokes & an ice tea? Hope someone can clarify / correct this!

  4. #6025

    Current or fair rate for most SW's

    Quote Originally Posted by NvrStlPhilly  [View Original Post]
    What is current or fair rate for most SW's?

    I had them walk at $ 80 dollars also!
    Just a little info I forgot to put in my last post.

    The "current or fair rate" is not posted or discussed in public that I know of.

    I would venture to say the fair rate is what is fair to the purchaser and provider at a given time and place. It is the rate that one feels comfortable with, considering the provider he is with. Of course if the provider agrees to any stated rate during the preliminaries, then that becomes the current or fair rate at that time. All things are negotiable in this game of ups and downs. What one provider may be comfortable with another may not. The one that is not comfortable with certain rates will then rant and rave about how the other girls are dragging her pricing structure down.

    This is a game of what is fair and reasonable to those making the deal. For the most part there are those that drive around for hours on end and then just before they leave the area decide this or that girl is the one they want to be with. She gets in the car, and the guy on an extremely tight budget, tells the girl $ 5. 00 or 10.00. Most girls won't even bless those offers with a No. So these guys, and there are a bunch of them, drive more endless hours in circles until they find that girl that will accommodate them. They do the date and go home. When they get up after a few hours rest they look and wonder WTF is dripping from his dick. Then he ventures out again and tries the same crap all over again.

    These guys are not getting what might be considered a current or fair rate. They are getting exactly what they paid for.

    I tend to stay away from those girls that think they are Gods gift to the avenue. The ones that think their pussy lips are gold and must be financed through a Merrill Lynch loan. They are as much a problem as the 5 and 10 dollar guys. What do these girls have and can they do that others cannot?

    Those girls do not last long at all. The market cannot sustain the over inflated pricing. In order for the market to continue there must be a balance between client and provider. Any girl will agree the 30 - 40 dollar guys five times a month are a much better deal than the one time 60 - 80 dollar guys. Reasoning is obvious. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

  5. #6024

    Thats great.

    Never seen this one. But it has happened to me about 4 yrs ago. This dude was avg height and had short aurburnish hair. I couldn't tell until it got into the car with me. Told him he wasnt my type and then he says " I can be, I give great head and have a great ass". Theres been some other extremely obvious ones too. I'm just hoping I don't meet the one that can fight one day. That would be a story getting your ass beat on the ave while trolling around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bond007  [View Original Post]
    Funny thing is I think I meet this I will call person today. Tall blonde smiled real nice gives you the come get me look. Meet her / him between Tioga and Ontario around 11.00 . As soon as he / she got into the car something felt not quite right, she wanted to do the cop check at that point I am checking out her hands, the old Seinfeld episode about man hands came is the first thing that comes to mind. I wanted ask her if she was a man but could not get the words out, so I told her that I just did a date, gave her a couple of bucks for her time and that I would be back later when my battery was recharged.

    I got out of there quick so yah if any body knows for sure one way or the other let us know.
    Anyway I was out tonight. Not much out there for me. Did my usual loop on the ave from sargent to venango. Tioga had a few options but keep getting the sense LE was around. Just went home and rubbed one out. Damn do I miss have regulars.

  6. #6023

    The Blonde

    Funny thing is I think I meet this I will call person today. Tall blonde smiled real nice gives you the come get me look. Meet her / him between Tioga and Ontario around 11.00 . As soon as he / she got into the car something felt not quite right, she wanted to do the cop check at that point I am checking out her hands, the old Seinfeld episode about man hands came is the first thing that comes to mind. I wanted ask her if she was a man but could not get the words out, so I told her that I just did a date, gave her a couple of bucks for her time and that I would be back later when my battery was recharged.

    I got out of there quick so yah if any body knows for sure one way or the other let us know.

  7. #6022

    $80.00 for a half hour of what?

    Quote Originally Posted by NvrStlPhilly  [View Original Post]
    What is current or fair rate for most SW's?

    I had them walk at $ 80 dollars also!
    There is not a girl on that avenue that is getting $80.00 for a half hour on a regular basis. So with that said that is not the going rate. The women I know cannot manage their habit at those rates. The Seniors here know what I'm talking about.

    There are girls that are getting $80 for half hour. Those dates are not car, abando, or alley dates. They are in respectable safe clean places where the sheets get changed regularly. There is running hot and cold water with clean facecloths and a hand towel. When I say running I do not mean running through the walls and cabinets. Most of the wildlife keeps its distance. You won't find cans of Raid in the bathroom.

    That is not to say some of the a girls aren't worth that rate. As many of them are. It is just the competition is so fervent and tough out there, the girls wouldn't survive one day at those rates. I do know there are those that want people to believe they get that, but they aren't. The corner stories are far different than the reality. Believe me. I like the line "well I usually charge this and that". But because we are such nice and well hung guys they are all going to cut us a break this one day. And maybe again tomorrow depending on how "sick" she is. Then again the following day. They rarely get those rates on the avenue. The few times they have gotten those rates is when a drifter drives through with a dick so hard he can't turn the steering wheel and needs a fix an hour ago and the Viagra is about to shut down.

    I'll reiterate a story that happened to me personally. I was standing waiting for my buddy when one of the top providers as serious as a heart attack said to me word for word. For a pack of Newports I'll suck your dick Gator. Looking back I really should have taken that BJ while it was on sale. I couldn't get a deal like that in Filenes Basement. In fact she told me she charges 120.00 for a half hour. Now that's a true story.

    So next time one may wonder what the going rate is on the Avenue, it's somewhere between $120.00 for a half hour and a pack of Newports.

    Me I'm just an 'OL Gator.

  8. #6021

    Outrageous $80 quote

    Quote Originally Posted by CookyJar  [View Original Post]
    The last time I was down on Kensington Avenue I picked-up this tall very pretty blonde. She had a pug nose and pouty lips.

    Her voice was light, soft, Marilyn Monroe like. Nothing about her said anything but girl (except for her hands, maybe). Me being me, I had to ask her, "Are you a girl?" She answered without hesitation, "Yes. ".

    I went into my patter, mentioning that not agreeing to pictures would be a deal breaker. After giving me an outrageous $80 quote for half and half, she declined the pictures and exited my vehicle.

    Has anyone else had a similar experience? Is she in fact a girl or something else?

    CookyJar.
    What is current or fair rate for most SW's?

    I had them walk at $ 80 dollars also!

  9. #6020

    I Think Her Name was Linda

    The last time I was down on Kensington Avenue I picked-up this tall very pretty blonde. She had a pug nose and pouty lips.

    Her voice was light, soft, Marilyn Monroe like. Nothing about her said anything but girl (except for her hands, maybe). Me being me, I had to ask her, "Are you a girl?" She answered without hesitation, "Yes. ".

    I went into my patter, mentioning that not agreeing to pictures would be a deal breaker. After giving me an outrageous $80 quote for half and half, she declined the pictures and exited my vehicle.

    Has anyone else had a similar experience? Is she in fact a girl or something else?

    CookyJar.

  10. #6019

    Re: Pinky, So Sad

    It is Sad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike80  [View Original Post]
    ...Looks like escort quality to me. With that hair, eyes and bone structure, I first thought she might be a 35-40ish MILF. But looking more closely, I can see she's probably much younger. Looks like a woman who probably will look as good at 40 as she did at 20. Well I guess I better add that will depend if she spends those 20 years living this kind of life. All bets are off if that happens...
    Don't ask me why, but; back in 2008 I believed her to be in her mid-twenties. That would coincide with Mike 80's comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Davey1965  [View Original Post]
    Doesn't seem that long ago when I first met her and then like a week later Cooky post pics of her. She was so friggin cute back then. I've seen the ave take its toll on girls but this has got to be one of the worse examples.
    Thanks for the before and after pics Cooky. I wouldn't have believed it, if they hadn't came from you.
    Doesn't seem that long ago at all, does it?

    Glad to see you're still hanging in there Davey1965.

    There are a few Pros and Cons to being a photographer. I am not sure if having an archive of past photographs is a good thing or a bad thing. Seeing Pinky as she is today was bad enough. Being able to compare yesterday with today didn't make things any better. After all, if it was 8 years for her, then that means it was also 8 years for us.

    CookyJar.

  11. #6018

    Pinky, So Sad

    Doesn't seem that long ago when I first met her and then like a week later Cooky post pics of her. She was so friggin cute back then. I've seen the ave take its toll on girls but this has got to be one of the worse examples.

    Thanks for the before and after pics Cooky. I wouldn't have believed it, if they hadn't came from you.

  12. #6017

    Pinky

    I remember her years ago, trying to help her find a vein so she could survive the date. It seemed like a new low point for me, but when that stuff took effect she was ON. Really good BBBJ for a while then cfs. Massaged me for a while when we were done. Tried to see her again, but she disappeared.

    Quote Originally Posted by CookyJar  [View Original Post]
    Sure the BJ was still there, everything else has moved on.

  13. #6016

    Cherry Pie

    What about Cherry Pie. Do you want to swap? LOL.

  14. #6015
    Quote Originally Posted by CookyJar  [View Original Post]
    OH Well! Since there is a pause in the action and apparently no one in the Philadelphia area is getting any action worth mentioning, posting or reviewing; I guess now would be a good time to post a few pictures of a blast from the past.

    I saw Amanda back about a month ago. She stepped in after that other MILF, Joselyn, bailed on me. I was like damn! How long has it been? I started to wonder. How old was she back in 2008? Was it time alone that caused this dramatic change?

    Sure the BJ was still there, everything else has moved on.

    In 2008, I would have guesstimated her age to be ___, give or take a year. So, in 2015 that would make her about ___?

    CookyJar.
    Damn CookyJar 7 years has been real hard on this gal. Urrrrrrrr, real hard!

    The Tall Man.

  15. #6014
    Quote Originally Posted by CookyJar  [View Original Post]
    OH Well! Since there is a pause in the action and apparently no one in the Philadelphia area is getting any action worth mentioning, posting or reviewing; I guess now would be a good time to post a few pictures of a blast from the past.

    I saw Amanda back about a month ago. She stepped in after that other MILF, Joselyn, bailed on me. I was like damn! How long has it been? I started to wonder. How old was she back in 2008? Was it time alone that caused this dramatic change?

    Sure the BJ was still there, everything else has moved on.

    In 2008, I would have guesstimated her age to be ___, give or take a year. So, in 2015 that would make her about ___?

    CookyJar.
    Wow Cooky. It has certainly been a while With Pinky. For sure I dated her back when she looked good and tempting. She has since been a Rock Star. Once these girls begin taking that rock it seems the robbery is already in progress. The desire to maintain an attractive appearance falls by the wayside. The teeth and make up also head for parts unknown. The showers are a must to avoid. Forget the clean clothes. These girls have one and only one purpose from the time they wake till they drift into that stupor. That is to get another rock. It's a never ending cycle. When they can get a date they head right for the dealer. (They cleaned that one up too didn't they We called him the pusher). So all things being equal those Rock Stars of the Ave have all had much better days. One would wonder what they see when they look in the mirror? That stuff ages them so fast. Just an observation. I'm sure there are those that may see it much different. Me I'm just an 'OL Gator.

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