The Rat Trap

[Potsy]

I'm 56 and learned there are usually two sides to every story and some where in the middle is the truth. About Ashley, I've seen her twice since those rough posts, once I left her in my home alone while I wentbto work. She's nvr screwed me. I know know a few things, she told me she had no idea what was going to happen and is quite upset it did happen. As far as Ashley begging someone for place to live, all I seen was texts coming from someone stating hed set her up in nice apartment and supply her furniture. I sent him a post w lies trying to dig info out.

Remember, usually truth is I'm middle.

What happen in hotel room did happen, there was another girl in room tho. Remember some of these ladies hit some tough times and may have to stay were they perfer not to stay.

Am I sticking up for Ashley, yeap. I think she's a class act and most of us dated ladies that never learn.

Ashley is hurting now and could use some business.

Just my two cents guys.

Jr.

I wrote a detailed and long response to your post but somehow it did not post, so I will try a quick reply.

For starters, you are an asshole, moron and a fool. I posted about what happened to me involving Ashley23, she admits it did happen yet you leave her in your home and go to work? What an idiot. You say she didn't screw you? How do you know? She could have wrote down enough of your info that two months from now you are a victim of Identity theft.

Want to know even worse? When I am in that area of town, I stay with a friend in that area. The night I had a problem with Ashley23 and her crew I was staying with him. I keep getting texts now from her telling me she knows my friends address and how she can just tell Leon and Black (Management) and how I can get visitors at anytime. After what happened to me do you really think a burglary or home invasion is not in the realm of possibility?

Ok you say there are usually two sides to every story and the truth is in the middle. Ok I posted what happened, you post that it did happen and Ashley23 said so, yet you say you.

You say you sent someone a post filled with lies trying to dig info out. Wow what a dick. I post what happened to me, Ashley23 tells you it did happen but that's not good enough for you, you still need to find some middle area where you want the truth to be, so you can defend her? Asshole.

Further evidence to stay away from Ashley23, I have known her for a while. The night this happened to me, she kept texting me begging me for help that management threw her out threatened her and she has no money and can't get anywhere. Like an idiot I made her walk 2 miles away from the hotel, picked her up and drove her to her friends house and made sure she got to her Grandmothers house that night, safely. She spent the next few days with Grandma, her father and her daughter. She kept texting me and thanking me for helping her. I AM THE ASSHOLE that told her if she stayed clean and away from them I would help her to get an apartment in her name, some furniture and clothes, and told her if not for herself do it for her daughter. She thanked me so much for saving her and that she was done and would never go back to them especially after what they tried to do to me. I even told her of a job that would pay pretty good that would be perfect for her.

She spent Sunday with her daughter and I was going to pick her up that night and take her to Wal MArt to replace the little amount of clothes she left at the hotel, she called me from the park as she played with her daughter and said she was taking her home, giving her a bath and putting her to bed and thanked me for taking her to get some clothes at 11. Well I drove there and no response from her by text or phone, why? She was back in Fern Park already in the same hotel and same room doing drugs with the same management and posting on BP at 4 AM. So even if you want to believe her bullshit that she didn't know what was going to happen, she went back to the same crew now knowing what they will do to mongers and she is ok with it.

I have tried to help Ashley23. I continuously still get tons of messages from her. She keeps insisting she knows my friends address and that she can tell management and they can stop by anytime. This forced me to tell my friend, who notified Seminole county Sheriff and gave them all of there info including there real names and pictures (when things went down with me at the hotel I turned my cell phone video camera on and he took snapshot pictures of them from the video), I already knew Ashley23's real name and she gave me the other peoples names in the days after it happened) So now this girl you are defending is basically giving veiled threats to me and my friend, what a misunderstood sweetheart.

Her others texts are her begging me to meet her swearing again that she wants to get out, only to go and try and meet her twice to drive her to Grandmas only not to find her where she said she was but also her phone going silent both times.

Then she also came clean that she indeed went back not once but twice to her management for drugs. And she has moved on from pain pills to full zanny pies and other junk and how management said she can stay if she started doing heroin and they would give her an endless supply. I told her if she every tried heroin they would own her and she would never be able to stop doing it and they would own her and she would be dead in a year. She agreed and again said she wanted to get away and again I went to pick her up at a location and take her to Grandmas only for her not to be there. I am done trying to help her.

You say that some of these girls stay in places that they prefer not to stay, Ashley23 was out. She doesn't need to stay there. I got her back to her Grandmother and her daughter and to safety. Her grandmother and father welcomed her with open arms. I offered to help her get a place of her own if she stayed clean. SHE CHOSE to go back to the hotel and do drugs and be with that management. She prefers to live that life. In between swearing to me that she wants out of the life she told me straight out that she enjoys shooting up and doing drugs and that's the life she wants. No one can help her but herself, I have tried and I am done.

What did I get out of this other then putting my safety in jeopardy? She has threatened to tell management my friends home address (I seriously doubt she knows it) and a visit from her friends, can anyone say burglary or home invasion?, so now he is nervous as it now effects his safety and career and has told me I am not welcome at his home for a while. I drove 3 times to meet her to take her to safety at her grandmothers only to have her disappear on me. And now I have to read comments from an asshole who admits what happened to me did occur, that Ashley acknowledges as much but the ASSSHOLE still insists there is somehow a middle ground that is really the truth to the story even though the two people that were there both agree it happened. ASSHOLE.

Ashley is hurting and it is all of her own doing. She was out but chose to go back to the drugs and the management. She threatened me that if I didn't help her she would start doing heroin to make management happy, I tried to help her that last time and she screwed me again.

I care deeply for this girl, but she has staright out chosen that she wants to be there and have that life. Her Grandmother, Father and myself tried to help her. She chose what she wants. And you Sir are a giant asshole, moron and an idiot.

[Camera3]

. . . an established and respected Monger like myself . . .

Dude, I hate to say it but I doubt there are any people on here that would agree with your assumption that you are either established or respected. Just sayin'.

How are your toothless and broke clients treating you in Daytona? Don't fret, Chris5 will come rescue you and have you living in luxury any day now.

Um, wow, dude, you really don't have a clue. Do you?

Are you the kid Chris5 and I swirlied weekly back in high school? Maybe that explains it all.

C3.

[SquareDick]

So how many good reviews are met with a chorus of negative rebuttals?

A silent cancelation is inexcusable. And for mongers to hypothesis while the SP remains mute is embarrassing.

In my day they called it being pussy whipped.

[Chris5]

Except that if an established and respected Monger like myself EVER took the time to investigate and file a subsequent enlightening post countering one or two negative reviews OF YOU, like I did for Michelle 1, then maybe your business here in Orlando would not have CRASHED and BURNED like it did. How are your toothless and broke clients treating you in Daytona? Don't fret, Chris5 will come rescue you and have you living in luxury any day now.

Oh Ancientone you are hysterical dude! I really don't think the lovely Savanna needs rescuing from anyone. I think she is doing great living on the beach every single day. I think you're just old and jealous of her dude. If I were you and thank God I'm not, I would move on and get over it!

Just saying.

[AncientOne]

You are a great promoter. I love how you turned irresponsible behavior to convincing your brothers to book longer and have her expect more to ensure a kept appointments. Lmfao.

Xoxo,

Savanna.

Except that if an established and respected Monger like myself EVER took the time to investigate and file a subsequent enlightening post countering one or two negative reviews OF YOU, like I did for Michelle 1, then maybe your business here in Orlando would not have CRASHED and BURNED like it did. How are your toothless and broke clients treating you in Daytona? Don't fret, Chris5 will come rescue you and have you living in luxury any day now.

[Camera3]

SD,

I agree. The negative reviews are every bit as important as the positive ones. Face it, a large number of the positive reviews are written about ladies that are average or good but gave stellar service to that hobbyist that day. That is not a bad thing.

But we all have bad days. We all lead real lives. I see negative reviews fall into two categories. Some are written about a good SP that had a bad day. Others are about just plain bad providers.

It is the balance that teaches us what to expect. There is one SP on here that is notorious for not showing up. She has a couple of White Knights on here that only write the great stuff. We only know the full story because of the positive AND the negative reviews. If we only read the POSITIVE reviews we would be shocked when she didn't show up.

There is one SP that is the definite price leader but has a terrible reputation for keeping guys waiting and waiting. If we only read the bad reviews we would not know the whole story. It is the POSITIVE reviews that make her worth it for some as a good SP at a ridiculous reasonable value.

The SP that started this discussion has numerous positive reviews. We are surprised by any negative reviews. Now a few have thrown in a few details that help us understand.

So, yeah, the intel from both positive and negative reviews help us understand and then we can make intelligent decisions on who might be our next muse.

C3.

That is exactly what you are doing. Negative reviews are more important than positive ones. These girls lie just like we do. I don't think Michelle is any worse than the rest of them but this is a business dream. We are paying for that time and nothing else. If you can't honor a commitment, then don't make it.

And when a girl flakes, we should here about it.

[PorkChopp]

That is exactly what you are doing. Negative reviews are more important than positive ones. These girls lie just like we do. I don't think Michelle is any worse than the rest of them but this is a business dream. We are paying for that time and nothing else. If you can't honor a commitment, then don't make it.

And when a girl flakes, we should here about it.

Hahaha I love it when mongers say this is a business this is a hobby bud the business side of it is all on the provider all you have to do is show some $$ but like I said everyone has problems and I'm just passing on the info about it if you think I'm white knighting than that's your problem but that is what this board is for if you have a negative review share it but I didn't come anywhere near as bad as the few mongers who "supposivly" get to see Dallas all the time while everyone else gets dicked around all I said was she lost someone near and dear to her you look at this as a business but they have personal lives just like we do and if something gets fucked in our personal life we usually call into work don't we? So look at it that way she basically called in.

Stay safe gents.

Porkchopp.

[Just Ron]

I'm 56 and learned there are usually two sides to every story and some where in the middle is the truth. About Ashley, I've seen her twice since those rough posts, once I left her in my home alone while I wentbto work. She's nvr screwed me. I know know a few things, she told me she had no idea what was going to happen and is quite upset it did happen. As far as Ashley begging someone for place to live, all I seen was texts coming from someone stating hed set her up in nice apartment and supply her furniture. I sent him a post w lies trying to dig info out.

Remember, usually truth is I'm middle.

What happen in hotel room did happen, there was another girl in room tho. Remember some of these ladies hit some tough times and may have to stay were they perfer not to stay.

Am I sticking up for Ashley, yeap. I think she's a class act and most of us dated ladies that never learn.

Ashley is hurting now and could use some business.

Just my two cents guys.

Jr.

[SquareDick]

Hey guys not white knighting here at all .

That is exactly what you are doing. Negative reviews are more important than positive ones. These girls lie just like we do. I don't think Michelle is any worse than the rest of them but this is a business dream. We are paying for that time and nothing else. If you can't honor a commitment, then don't make it.

And when a girl flakes, we should here about it.

[Otwist]

I want to thank Exec Talent for outing himself in the massage thread as the guy that PMs dudes telling them to put less info in their reviews. With no reviews to his credit, he still needs to pass out advice on how it should be done.

[Jmoedb]

Even though she ignores my texts she is still a nice arm piece to have in public. Ima pay for her hair to get straightened and we gon hit mcds girl. You can even have cheese on that quarter pounder lmfao.

[Camera3]

TF,

I disagree with both those statements.

For those of us that have been in the hobby before there were online services like BP, CL, and others, bringing it on line has put the hobby on steroids. It used to be far more dangerous and seedy, filed with back alleys and trailer parks and crappy pay phones with weird pass words. Now, that still happens (except the pay phones), but today we also get to choose from some pretty nice hotels. Add pics and reviews and we have gone from the proverbial farmer's vegetable stand to Publix or even Costco.

As for the Rat Trap, I love this place in spite of the little bit of craziness that goes on. We pretty much welcome everyone, allow them to say anything, as long as it doesn't involve personal threats or disrespect to a person's mother, and, I believe, reveals character like no other thread. A person's posts on reviews threads are in direct correlation to how he or she fights. For me, those who end up on my "full of shit" list AND my "trusted gentleman" list are better determined by their posts on the Rat Trap, not by their reviews.

Just one man's opinion.

C3.

First Mistake Was looking for pussy online.

Second mistake, clicking on The Rat Trap.

[TreeFiddy]

Was looking for pussy online.

Second mistake, clicking on The Rat Trap.

[PorkChopp]

Saw the recent chatter on michele1 l's recent Saturday flop. Pokeherfacejon, perhaps its a good thing she bailed as I would have tired her out from my scheduled 10 am Saturday appointment I set up Friday night. Alas, I too experienced the same disappointment. She went silent on me also. Very unusual for Michelle to do that. Although I have not posted many short stories on her, she has been a steady fictional dream of mine for the last 6 months. Always kept scheduled naps with me. As everyone knows, amazing dreams are the norm with this lady. I've read some recent chatter in the other treads she may be having some personal issues. Don't want to come off as a white knight, but I am not going to over judge the situation. She could be having a rough patch. For some, one strike and your out. I respect that. For me, given the quality of past fantasies, I am willing to forgive and forget. For now. My real disappointment was the lack of some communication with an explanation and or apology. With multiple GFE experiences, there is an expectation of mutual respect. But maybe not, as GFE can make your brain think there is more to it then just business. In the end, nothing lost as I rolled over and had a dream with Nana. In the end, I came out a winner. Will post in positive thread on Nana when I get more time. FH69.

Hey guys not white knighting here at all but I do know Michele lost some one very special to her recently I didn't want to actually put that out there but there has been too many neg reviews coming up I recently saw her last week and as I was walking up to the room she dropped her phone and couldn't respond to any text I'm not saying that it hasn't been replaced or fixed in the time being but even though she's playing the tough role I can tell the loss is really bothering her so I wouldn't be too hard on her cause everyone has bad times in there life and SP's are no exception.

Stay safe gents.

Porkchopp.

[Camera3]

To dance with ugly women.

Happy to entertain.

C3.

Thank you for one of the funniest lines I've read this year.

"flat chested, inked up, doped up, never shows up drama queen".