The Rat Trap

[Florida Sun]

Florida sun-- so basically you know absolutely nothing about the situation and just decide to chime in with your 2 cents using assumptions that have no basis in fact?

Next time if you don't have a clue about the situation at hand or have nothing useful to say its probably better to sit back and shut the fuck up. This board is supposed to be for mongers to share intel, not white knight to a providers defense anytime someone gives a negative review of them.

I stated that I am not saying the story was not true. I do not know Rachel and was not white knighting for her. This board is a public forum and I can comment on your story without your permission, and when I did, I used normal speech and not your type of language. I stand by my comments and they are a good advice for someone seeing a provider for the first time. If you were offended by being called inexperienced you should not have proven it. If with your claim of experience you could not read a lady's reluctance to give her exact address to someone she dose not know, then maybe your experience was in something else other than our subject of conversation.

You need to get a stress relief, check for anger management class starting soon in a location near you.

Stay safe and happy.

[WilliamMstrs]

I had prebooked one of the ladies that has hired me an appointment for this evening. Well an hour before the appointment the gentleman asked that she wear the exact same dress, necklace and earrings he saw in one of her pictures. No problem with that. Thirty minutes before appointment I contacted him for room number, his reply, "I can't give you the room number you have to have a key to get in so I will need to come down after you, oh yea bring covers". This appointment was booked for 5 PM we all know you can get into any hotel through the front door up until around 10 then you need a key card. I have personally been to this hotel and you never need a key card to gain access. So now we have the gentleman wanting her to wear the exact same items she wore to advertise on an adult site known for the hobby, lied about not being able to gain access then he drove the nail home when he said, " Oh bring covers". I refused to let the lady go see him. Who knows maybe the guy is on the level and is just stupid, but then again he could have given her a nice shiny set of silver bracelets and a free ride. Her safety is my #1 priority, I felt uncomfortable with the situation and all commutation was ended by me.

Anyone male or female care to chime in and give me some input would be groovy. Damn did I just say groovy, sure as hell am telling my age! LOL.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.

1. He used no-no language. Check.

2. He lied. Check.

3. It felt wrong after 1 and 2.

The tactic of "wear this" and then "wait at x place" are old and used on all types of busts.

I will say hon that not only you did the right thing, I am guessing someone crashed in the local Dunkin Donuts after screwing it up. At least the DD manager, and the employees, will be happy.

P.S. It is groovy to be groovy. Never out of style, and timeless.

[Chris5]

LE,

I went back and read what I wrote just to make sure I had been fair. I think I was. I did not question your experience but only shared my own. In fact, I pointed out I was not questioning your experience. That is being quite fair, I think. I would agree with you on your points about many ladies having men in their lives in one way or another. I have to say, I do not have much first hand knowledge of this as I tend to steer clear of that kinds of stuff. I only stated I saw no evidence in her room.

I personally make a practice of adding a disclaimer when I White Knight. I do not try to hide it at all. I state it right out front. On the flip side, I think I am also an equal opportunity dick to both gentlemen and ladies when I feel it is warranted.

I have no dog in this fight. I am sorry you had a bad experience. That said, I, like Chris, noticed that you seem to be one unlucky dude in this hobby. You might want to consider taking up something more safe. See, I told you I was an equal opportunity dick.

All that said, I would appreciate it if you kept the personal attacks factual.

C3.

This is a follow up to my new post that I posted on a dream I had tonight with Rachel 21, posting 2nd post here in the Rat Trap. Leftexit seems to think certain members including myself are white knighting, After my excellent dream I had tonight with Rachel we talked for a few minutes and SHE not ME brought up the negative post by left exit. I will say that she told me and I quote, Christopher he plain just spooked me out on the phone. Again HER words NOT mine. I was not there so I can only try and be fair to everyone however Rachel did tell me other things that this person said to her over phone that I will keep private as I do want to disclose anyones personal business that confides in me. From what this young SP told me in regard to what he was saying over the phone I was speechless, so therefore in life there are ALWAYS two sides to every story. Not white knighting but if a monger is wrong about an approach to one of our lovely SP's then he is wrong plain and simple and left exit really should possibly stay out of Orlando since he is not from here, because that is NOT the way that we Orlando mongers treat our beautiful SP's or ANY woman for that matter.

[Vino 7373]

I am placing this comment in the Rat Trap because I do not want to offend the sensibilities of Admin2 however it refers to a review in the Massage thread.

Been to Magic, with which SGreg1234 is fond and agree with his assessment. Going to a heavily promoted body rub place which only offers HJs for a massage is akin to buying groceries at a convenience store. You end up paying way too much for what you get. Guys have been telling me privately that girls at Luxsa are not all that and upsell for additional services if they are available at all. If that is what you are looking for, why not see an escort. Also, if you are looking for a quality massage or table shower, that is not offered at Luxsa either. Why not go to an LMT or an AMP?

ET has now publicly posted that he went to Magic, and by agreeing with SGreg's assessment, has basically admitted to receiving the type of services that we mongers expect when we go to one of these places. I guess he's one of us after all, huh?

I just wanted to point this out to you OT; in case you missed it. Hee Hee.

[Exec Talent]

Equally important (at least in my humble opinion) to the services you may or may not receive at a rub place. Is the issue of safety. It wasn't too long ago that this board was lit up with links to and chatter around news stories about a raid over on Semoran and customers being walked out in handcuffs in front of TV cameras. Recently, a similar scenario played out over in WP, I believe. For many mongers, it doesn't matter whether or not they were arrested or charged with anything. Simply being there while a place was raided would be disastrous. I think that has to be a deterrent for a lot of folks.

The formal practice of intimidation and shaming started a few years back and is gaining steam.

http://rt.com/usa/us-prostitution-clients-shame-426/

That and claiming every woman engaged in providing companionship services has been trafficked.

The prevalence of the internet and the increased capabilities of cellphones scares the hell not only out of police but also pimps.

Texting is not the best way to make a first connection. You never know who is on the other end. If you are a client responding to an ad and are asked what you are looking for the answer always is legal companionship. It is OK to ask for prices to be paid for the length of companionship - 1 hour, 1/2 hour.

If both client and provider refuse to discuss sex for money it becomes nearly impossible for LE to make a legal arrest. Should they make an illegal one, say nothing other than you want a lawyer.

The day, weeks, months that go by and no one's life has been ruined by a misdemeanor prostitution arrest will be happy one.

[Mystical0945]

I had prebooked one of the ladies that has hired me an appointment for this evening. Well an hour before the appointment the gentleman asked that she wear the exact same dress, necklace and earrings he saw in one of her pictures. No problem with that. Thirty minutes before appointment I contacted him for room number, his reply, "I can't give you the room number you have to have a key to get in so I will need to come down after you, oh yea bring covers". This appointment was booked for 5 PM we all know you can get into any hotel through the front door up until around 10 then you need a key card. I have personally been to this hotel and you never need a key card to gain access. So now we have the gentleman wanting her to wear the exact same items she wore to advertise on an adult site known for the hobby, lied about not being able to gain access then he drove the nail home when he said, " Oh bring covers". I refused to let the lady go see him. Who knows maybe the guy is on the level and is just stupid, but then again he could have given her a nice shiny set of silver bracelets and a free ride. Her safety is my #1 priority, I felt uncomfortable with the situation and all commutation was ended by me.

Anyone male or female care to chime in and give me some input would be groovy. Damn did I just say groovy, sure as hell am telling my age! LOL.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.

[Camera3]

LE,

I went back and read what I wrote just to make sure I had been fair. I think I was. I did not question your experience but only shared my own. In fact, I pointed out I was not questioning your experience. That is being quite fair, I think. I would agree with you on your points about many ladies having men in their lives in one way or another. I have to say, I do not have much first hand knowledge of this as I tend to steer clear of that kinds of stuff. I only stated I saw no evidence in her room.

I personally make a practice of adding a disclaimer when I White Knight. I do not try to hide it at all. I state it right out front. On the flip side, I think I am also an equal opportunity dick to both gentlemen and ladies when I feel it is warranted.

I have no dog in this fight. I am sorry you had a bad experience. That said, I, like Chris, noticed that you seem to be one unlucky dude in this hobby. You might want to consider taking up something more safe. See, I told you I was an equal opportunity dick.

All that said, I would appreciate it if you kept the personal attacks factual.

C3.

Florida sun-- so basically you know absolutely nothing about the situation and just decide to chime in with your 2 cents using assumptions that have no basis in fact?

Next time if you don't have a clue about the situation at hand or have nothing useful to say its probably better to sit back and shut the fuck up. This board is supposed to be for mongers to share intel, not white knight to a providers defense anytime someone gives a negative review of them.

As I was driving she stated that she would text me the address when we hung up. You must be rather naive if you think the correct move was to keep driving 60 miles while communication went silent. As far as being short on experience that is laughable. Don't let the post count deceive you, I've likely forgotten more dreams than you've ever had.

As far as chris777 and camera3 if you've had good dreams with the provider in question I would hope that in alone would not make you question another monger's report. I don't normally dream in orlando, it is only because my area is so dry currently that I've branched out. What would I have to gain to go into another city's forums and talk bad about a provider?

As far as management, all I can say is that she handed the phone to a male. The time was around 3 am. I don't know if he was management per se or BF / drug dealer / etc. I assume if hes hanging out with a hooker at 3 am that he's hardly good news. From my experiences it does not really matter the exact relationship between the provider and males they hang around, other than its generally not good news for you the monger. And to think there aren't men in the picture is extremely naive. Theres ALWAYS one or more dudes in the picture. That there is no evidence of them is besides the point. These girls are experts at lying and hiding the truth.

[Alligator19]

Equally important (at least in my humble opinion) to the services you may or may not receive at a rub place. Is the issue of safety. It wasn't too long ago that this board was lit up with links to and chatter around news stories about a raid over on Semoran and customers being walked out in handcuffs in front of TV cameras. Recently, a similar scenario played out over in WP, I believe. For many mongers, it doesn't matter whether or not they were arrested or charged with anything. Simply being there while a place was raided would be disastrous. I think that has to be a deterrent for a lot of folks.

I agree with you on this and I believe most others on this forum that have been to Luxsa also feel the same way. Luxsa girls charge way to much for the service they offer. No table showers, rub or massage are sorry. It appears that none of the girls have been properly trained on how to do a massage much less a rub. Sense they do not offer much for the finish they should at least give you a real good massage or rub for the 1/2 or full hr but they do not. Your lucky if you get a 5 or 10 minutes of a half a*s*s rub. The girls of Luxsa are no where close to being escorts. I for one will never go back.

[Jazak]

Did you mean 1. 2 including tip?

If not, you got taken- bad.

No disrespect to you and your opinion, but I respectfully disagree and here is why:

I have been to Magic countless times and Luxsa twice and will never go back to Luxsa. Luxsa doesn't give a GREAT table shower nor a GREAT massage. They gave a tickle / feather touch and flip then HJ. I will say the girls are friendly but they don't do anymore than Magic does on the finish, and in most cases less than magic. Try getting 2 cups or Prost. M at Luxsa. Happens every time I ask at Magic. Not to mention the girls (that I saw) at Luxsa were over represented in the ads (and several posts).

I agree with you on this and I believe most others on this forum that have been to Luxsa also feel the same way. Luxsa girls charge way to much for the service they offer. No table showers, rub or massage are sorry. It appears that none of the girls have been properly trained on how to do a massage much less a rub. Sense they do not offer much for the finish they should at least give you a real good massage or rub for the 1/2 or full hr but they do not. Your lucky if you get a 5 or 10 minutes of a half a*s*s rub. The girls of Luxsa are no where close to being escorts. I for one will never go back.

[Chris5]

Florida sun-- so basically you know absolutely nothing about the situation and just decide to chime in with your 2 cents using assumptions that have no basis in fact?

Next time if you don't have a clue about the situation at hand or have nothing useful to say its probably better to sit back and shut the fuck up. This board is supposed to be for mongers to share intel, not white knight to a providers defense anytime someone gives a negative review of them.

As I was driving she stated that she would text me the address when we hung up. You must be rather naive if you think the correct move was to keep driving 60 miles while communication went silent. As far as being short on experience that is laughable. Don't let the post count deceive you, I've likely forgotten more dreams than you've ever had.

As far as chris777 and camera3 if you've had good dreams with the provider in question I would hope that in alone would not make you question another monger's report. I don't normally dream in orlando, it is only because my area is so dry currently that I've branched out. What would I have to gain to go into another city's forums and talk bad about a provider?

As far as management, all I can say is that she handed the phone to a male. The time was around 3 am. I don't know if he was management per se or BF / drug dealer / etc. I assume if hes hanging out with a hooker at 3 am that he's hardly good news. From my experiences it does not really matter the exact relationship between the provider and males they hang around, other than its generally not good news for you the monger. And to think there aren't men in the picture is extremely naive. Theres ALWAYS one or more dudes in the picture. That there is no evidence of them is besides the point. These girls are experts at lying and hiding the truth.

As I said in my last post on this subject I am not questioning another members bad review on a SP, I stated that TWICE if you read my last post however I only offered MY personal experience with this young lady. Could a male had picked up her phone? Absolutely as I was not there to listen to the call however there is definitely NO white knighting on my part! If a SP deserves a bad review by all means please post it for all to see which is exactly what you did. MY dream with her was fantastic and did not have any issues at all with her and sorry you had a bad night trying to see this SP and also I went back and read some of your prior posts on this board and it seems like you have a LOT of bad experience with SP's. I hope your dreams get better for you and I look forward to seeing continued posts from you in the future.

[WilliamMstrs]

I am with you, I really appreciate when a SP lists donations in the ad. I know what to expect. But all too often she doesn't. So, I ask this way, "If a gentleman wanted to make a donation to your favorite charity, what amount would you suggest?

I have no idea if that skirts the law enough but it seems to me it comes pretty damn close.

I am hoping some other guys and gals chime in on this one, especially you ladies that don't list your suggested donation. How would you like us to ask about it?

C3.

Is a matter of how far a prosecutor is willing to twist the words, and how much of a judge's time they are willing to waste. To put into perspective a question like that is close to iron clad as long as it is in context, and it flows out naturally during a conversation. To state it outright might raise eyebrows, but you can always supplement it, I. E. You asked because you are raising money for a charity you love. This is just an example, and may be that it flies out towards left field, but they still have to prove your guilt, not the other way around. So now they have to show your location, past charity history, etc (an investigation can run up into the tens of thousands). Not worth their time, and if they do, a judge will shoot them down in a heartbeat (court costs into the thousands). Let us remember they are looking for easy targets that can serve as free PR, or as they call it, optics. So just be creative as C3 did. Remember there is never a perfect solution, as there are no one size fits all ideas. Risk is inherent and must be weighed in every single time, so the best anyone can do is to minimize it as much as possible.

[RainbowDash3]

Perhaps some other hobbyists with a actual real world dreams might weight in.

Technically. TECHNICALLY. In the state of FL, you can't record a phone call or conversation without getting consent from the other party.

Of course, that doesn't exclude other parties from listening in on a phone call and testifying. But holy shit, how paranoid are we going for here?

Best case scenario for clients: Place money at the end of the session before leaving, do not talk about anything. If they take your lead (or heck, if you take their lead!) and / or nobody says "No" explicitly, then it's consensual.

NEGs for providers: You can get ripped off.

NEGs for clients: You might be getting inconsistent or missing services.

Best case scenario for providers: Receive money at the beginning of the session before starting, do not talk about anything. If they take your lead (or heck, if you take their lead!) and / or nobody says "No" explicitly, then it's consensual.

NEGs for providers: High expectations from clients, leading to poor reviews.

NEGs for clients: You going to get robbed if the provider is a POS human being that deserves to die in a fiery car crash and burnt alive. Inconsistent or missing services. Shortened / missing time.

Reviews plus a list of services provided are the only way to safeguard both parties and even then, YMMV because of how one looks / personality / environment.

[Leftexit]

I did not like the story either. He knew it was UCF area, if he just stayed cool and drove to the university exit and called from there, he probably be on location with in 5-10 minutes. If you send the wrong vibe you will creat a negative impression. I am not saying it did not happen, from my experience if I am seeing a girl for the first time I would not expect to get the address before I am within 5-10 minutes from the general area provided.

For full disclosure, I do not know Rachel and I am not saying this did not happen. I am saying it pays to act cool and give space for the lady's safety and privacy to be protected. When they are safe we are all safe.
Also I noticed he made a second post under different thread with same story. I think he is short on experience and created a misunderstanding.

Also sayin.

FS.

Florida sun-- so basically you know absolutely nothing about the situation and just decide to chime in with your 2 cents using assumptions that have no basis in fact?

Next time if you don't have a clue about the situation at hand or have nothing useful to say its probably better to sit back and shut the fuck up. This board is supposed to be for mongers to share intel, not white knight to a providers defense anytime someone gives a negative review of them.

As I was driving she stated that she would text me the address when we hung up. You must be rather naive if you think the correct move was to keep driving 60 miles while communication went silent. As far as being short on experience that is laughable. Don't let the post count deceive you, I've likely forgotten more dreams than you've ever had.

As far as chris777 and camera3 if you've had good dreams with the provider in question I would hope that in alone would not make you question another monger's report. I don't normally dream in orlando, it is only because my area is so dry currently that I've branched out. What would I have to gain to go into another city's forums and talk bad about a provider?

As far as management, all I can say is that she handed the phone to a male. The time was around 3 am. I don't know if he was management per se or BF / drug dealer / etc. I assume if hes hanging out with a hooker at 3 am that he's hardly good news. From my experiences it does not really matter the exact relationship between the provider and males they hang around, other than its generally not good news for you the monger. And to think there aren't men in the picture is extremely naive. Theres ALWAYS one or more dudes in the picture. That there is no evidence of them is besides the point. These girls are experts at lying and hiding the truth.

[Exec Talent]

Did you mean 1. 2 including tip?

If not, you got taken- bad.

No disrespect to you and your opinion, but I respectfully disagree and here is why:

I have been to Magic countless times and Luxsa twice and will never go back to Luxsa. Luxsa doesn't give a GREAT table shower nor a GREAT massage. They gave a tickle / feather touch and flip then HJ. I will say the girls are friendly but they don't do anymore than Magic does on the finish, and in most cases less than magic. Try getting 2 cups or Prost. M at Luxsa. Happens every time I ask at Magic. Not to mention the girls (that I saw) at Luxsa were over represented in the ads (and several posts).

I am placing this comment in the Rat Trap because I do not want to offend the sensibilities of Admin2 however it refers to a review in the Massage thread.

Been to Magic, with which SGreg1234 is fond and agree with his assessment. Going to a heavily promoted body rub place which only offers HJs for a massage is akin to buying groceries at a convenience store. You end up paying way too much for what you get. Guys have been telling me privately that girls at Luxsa are not all that and upsell for additional services if they are available at all. If that is what you are looking for, why not see an escort. Also, if you are looking for a quality massage or table shower, that is not offered at Luxsa either. Why not go to an LMT or an AMP?

[Mystical0945]

I am with you, I really appreciate when a SP lists donations in the ad. I know what to expect. But all too often she doesn't. So, I ask this way, "If a gentleman wanted to make a donation to your favorite charity, what amount would you suggest?

I have no idea if that skirts the law enough but it seems to me it comes pretty damn close.

I am hoping some other guys and gals chime in on this one, especially you ladies that don't list your suggested donation. How would you like us to ask about it?

C3.

I always add my website to my posting. Any and all questions can be found there. If I'm running a "Special" for the Devine gentlemen of this forum I ALWAYS put in how much of a discount and the math is very simple.

For the ladies that do not list their preference in roses and do not have a website to display this info, get with me. You will be very happy with the out come.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.