The Rat Trap

**Mystical0945** · 03-02-15 22:57

Originally Posted by Fisherman0317 [View Original Post]

Very useful conversation. I always look for menu and rate info. Hate having to ask. You are never going to get rid of the guys that think being vulgar is He-man stuff it helps a lot. The only thing left is special request stuff. IMO.

Are very correct. We will always have those foul mouthed idiots that can't seem to save the dirty talk for the sheets. Hell I LOVE the dirty talk, but don't bring that crap to the table with your cloths on! Just sayin'.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.

**Camera3** · 03-02-15 20:34

I am with you, I really appreciate when a SP lists donations in the ad. I know what to expect. But all too often she doesn't. So, I ask this way, "If a gentleman wanted to make a donation to your favorite charity, what amount would you suggest?

I have no idea if that skirts the law enough but it seems to me it comes pretty damn close.

I am hoping some other guys and gals chime in on this one, especially you ladies that don't list your suggested donation. How would you like us to ask about it?

C3.

Originally Posted by FunHobby69 [View Original Post]

In a perfect world, us hobbyists would be able to read an advertisement and if necessary supplement it with some research on this forum and have all answers to our expectations known without having to ask questions thus creating a record in the form of tex or phone conversation recorded. But that is often not the case as some SPs do not list donations. So I ask the forum as part of my never ending quest for better self insurance, how does one arrive at a meeting of the minds with the lady in advance so that proper Mario coinage is present in one's pocket if there is no discussion in this area. What is the trick? I don't want to bring a bank and risk getting rolled? Also, I may not want to see a SP if it is, in fact, going to break the bank. If the donation is not clear from advertisement or research, how does one go about (exactly) acquiring the knowledge without some discussion that can be used against you? I've thought using a burner phone that is not traceable allows for the flow of info in a protected way. But many providers have a two call system which means that burner becomes a liability cause you got to carry it to the event, even if you leave it in the car. Unfortunately, I haven't mastered the volcun mind meld during mish (vmish) to know the unspoken donation to leave as a tip after the deed for time only. Any advise would be appreciated. FH69.

**FunHobby69** · 03-02-15 19:10

Originally Posted by Sillyolman [View Original Post]

I consider that a red flag and I don't like red flags. So, if it takes a tremendous amount of effort to figure out the answer then I cross her off my list.

Sillyilman, you reached the conclusion but avoided an answer to my question. If a provider doesn't list her rates, and many don't, and you can't find it in researching the forum, what do you do. Some seniors say they never discuss donations. So what effort are you referring to. Asking? Is that your "effort" you speak of? Great, thanks. Absent asking and potentially having incriminating evidence generated via tex or voice recording, what is the code, the dance around, to keep you safe, without incriminating yourself. It's a simple question. Perhaps some other hobbyists with a actual real world dreams might weight in. FH69.

**Sillyolman** · 03-02-15 18:21

Originally Posted by FunHobby69 [View Original Post]

In a perfect world, us hobbyists would be able to read an advertisement and if necessary supplement it with some research on this forum and have all answers to our expectations known without having to ask questions thus creating a record in the form of tex or phone conversation recorded. But that is often not the case as some SPs do not list donations. So I ask the forum as part of my never ending quest for better self insurance, how does one arrive at a meeting of the minds with the lady in advance so that proper Mario coinage is present in one's pocket if there is no discussion in this area. What is the trick? I don't want to bring a bank and risk getting rolled? Also, I may not want to see a SP if it is, in fact, going to break the bank. If the donation is not clear from advertisement or research, how does one go about (exactly) acquiring the knowledge without some discussion that can be used against you? I've thought using a burner phone that is not traceable allows for the flow of info in a protected way. But many providers have a two call system which means that burner becomes a liability cause you got to carry it to the event, even if you leave it in the car. Unfortunately, I haven't mastered the volcun mind meld during mish (vmish) to know the unspoken donation to leave as a tip after the deed for time only. Any advise would be appreciated. FH69.

I consider that a red flag and I don't like red flags. So, if it takes a tremendous amount of effort to figure out the answer then I cross her off my list.

**Alligator19** · 03-02-15 17:06

Great convo, indeed. Both providers and mongers could learn a lot about the benefits of discretion, courtesy, professionalism and a little bit of common sense here.

Originally Posted by Fisherman0317 [View Original Post]

Very useful conversation. I always look for menu and rate info. Hate having to ask. You are never going to get rid of the guys that think being vulgar is He-man stuff it helps a lot. The only thing left is special request stuff. IMO.

**Fisherman0317** · 03-02-15 09:03

Originally Posted by Camera3 [View Original Post]

This is great conversation.

Ashley, you are dead on. So was Brittney. And Savanna. But I have to say, all us guys can go on are your ads and the reviews. Case in point, there is a young SP that advertises on here that has only done BJ and never does FS. She recently advertised she is now GFE. Well, surprise! She isn't. At least, not by the definition most of us put on the acronym. What she thought it meant and what it means are not the same thing. She now knows and has clarified it.

Face it, here are the things us guys want to know. Do you kiss? Do you do BBBJ or is it CBJ? Fucking is understood unless you say differently. And what is the donation? I want to know if you upsell because that is a game ender for me. Other than that, we do want to know how much of a flake you are. We all understand that life happens but there are certain SP's that are just always living a high drama life. There is a certain SP that advertises on here that is always, always, always running late, like an hour late. For in call, no less. But those that wait it out or have figured out that you just have to threaten to leave to get in the door, she is a wonderfully good time.

And, oh yeah, none of us want to get arrested for anything, or, for that matter, have our face on the 11 pm news even if we didn't get arrested.

But at some point, we have to know how much, and we need to come to an understanding of what is going to happen while we are together. Guess what? Putting those two things together in any way is illegal. So, how do we do it?

Our struggle, and your struggle, is to always find the middle. Figure out how to get word to me that you are what I am looking for today and, assuming I can put the Marios together, I am there and we will have a fun time.

There is a certain provider that advertises on here that gives discounts for making appointments a day ahead of time. And she is famous for keeping in touch when stuff happens in her life. I, personally, think that is a brilliant way to run a business. Some of you spell it out completely on your ads on every detail of what to expect and your reviews tell the rest. That works well.

I also agree, it is welcome if a SP validates a monger, especially a newbie. Face it, you can have hundreds of posts that mean nothing or you can have a very few with a couple of validations and you are golden.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

C3.

Very useful conversation. I always look for menu and rate info. Hate having to ask. You are never going to get rid of the guys that think being vulgar is He-man stuff it helps a lot. The only thing left is special request stuff. IMO.

**FunHobby69** · 03-02-15 08:38

Originally Posted by Mystical0945 [View Original Post]

Are so on the money with this. Guys call or text with the crap, "Hey how much to have you come over and fuck me? Or "Are you a true GFE?" or just anything along those lines that should NEVER be crossed. LEO isn't stupid they know what the hell those little abbreviations stand for and your ass will and can recieve a free set of silver bracelets that comes along with a free ride just for saying one word "YES".

Britt mentioned that a guy set the appointment was driving over and said something along the lines of "Hope you're ready for a good fucking" SERIOUSLY. Any and all of these gets you no appointment, number blocked and I will text the ladies I know and give them a heads up. You may be legitimate but I'm not willing to take that chance. Besides if you're truly in the "Hobby World" you KNOW not to ask questions.

So guys do your research, look the lady you're interested in seeing up on here, go check out her website any and questions you may have will be answered. Something else, when you see a lady put up a review of your time together, doesn't have to be a xxx novel just something short and classy the rest can be in back channels. (Ladies RESPOND to the gentlemans review in kind) That will get you in the door and between the sheets a lot faster I guarantee it.

Love To ALL

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT always Play HARD.

In a perfect world, us hobbyists would be able to read an advertisement and if necessary supplement it with some research on this forum and have all answers to our expectations known without having to ask questions thus creating a record in the form of tex or phone conversation recorded. But that is often not the case as some SPs do not list donations. So I ask the forum as part of my never ending quest for better self insurance, how does one arrive at a meeting of the minds with the lady in advance so that proper Mario coinage is present in one's pocket if there is no discussion in this area. What is the trick? I don't want to bring a bank and risk getting rolled? Also, I may not want to see a SP if it is, in fact, going to break the bank. If the donation is not clear from advertisement or research, how does one go about (exactly) acquiring the knowledge without some discussion that can be used against you? I've thought using a burner phone that is not traceable allows for the flow of info in a protected way. But many providers have a two call system which means that burner becomes a liability cause you got to carry it to the event, even if you leave it in the car. Unfortunately, I haven't mastered the volcun mind meld during mish (vmish) to know the unspoken donation to leave as a tip after the deed for time only. Any advise would be appreciated. FH69.

**Florida Sun** · 03-02-15 07:57

Originally Posted by Camera3 [View Original Post]

But at some point, we have to know how much, and we need to come to an understanding of what is going to happen while we are together. Guess what? Putting those two things together in any way is illegal. So, how do we do it?

Our struggle, and your struggle, is to always find the middle. Figure out how to get word to me that you are what I am looking for today and, assuming I can put the Marios together, I am there and we will have a fun time.

C3.

Very helpful conversation.

I would like to see menu items even if it is camouflaged or coded in your ad text, because If you say It I do not have to ask you, then we do not have to say anything illegal.

My only allowed question is what is your rate for the time selected. Once you say the fee the only thing that can be said is where and when. All other conversation should be withheld till the deed is done.

That's how I play on first dates or if I am asking about a special. However, I do not normally experience the same clarity. I would rather on those cases not get the desired service than risking illegal conversation. I walked into a date and the SP asked to do Leo check and I gave her a viewing. When she did not counter I went on full alert for carful words and action so when she said what do you want to do, I simply said hang out and have conversation. I would rather lose the an escort fee than pay lawyers and court fees.

I have asked ladies after the deed, for future reference what are your limits. I expect a straight forward answer like I do not do this or I do that on selected basis "code for extra fee". You will be surprised how many are stumped by that question. It is better that you state your preferences rather than have the guy go on a hunt.

Clear, short, and sweet thats how we need talk.

**Camera3** · 03-01-15 19:10

This is great conversation.

Ashley, you are dead on. So was Brittney. And Savanna. But I have to say, all us guys can go on are your ads and the reviews. Case in point, there is a young SP that advertises on here that has only done BJ and never does FS. She recently advertised she is now GFE. Well, surprise! She isn't. At least, not by the definition most of us put on the acronym. What she thought it meant and what it means are not the same thing. She now knows and has clarified it.

Face it, here are the things us guys want to know. Do you kiss? Do you do BBBJ or is it CBJ? Fucking is understood unless you say differently. And what is the donation? I want to know if you upsell because that is a game ender for me. Other than that, we do want to know how much of a flake you are. We all understand that life happens but there are certain SP's that are just always living a high drama life. There is a certain SP that advertises on here that is always, always, always running late, like an hour late. For in call, no less. But those that wait it out or have figured out that you just have to threaten to leave to get in the door, she is a wonderfully good time.

And, oh yeah, none of us want to get arrested for anything, or, for that matter, have our face on the 11 pm news even if we didn't get arrested.

But at some point, we have to know how much, and we need to come to an understanding of what is going to happen while we are together. Guess what? Putting those two things together in any way is illegal. So, how do we do it?

Our struggle, and your struggle, is to always find the middle. Figure out how to get word to me that you are what I am looking for today and, assuming I can put the Marios together, I am there and we will have a fun time.

There is a certain provider that advertises on here that gives discounts for making appointments a day ahead of time. And she is famous for keeping in touch when stuff happens in her life. I, personally, think that is a brilliant way to run a business. Some of you spell it out completely on your ads on every detail of what to expect and your reviews tell the rest. That works well.

I also agree, it is welcome if a SP validates a monger, especially a newbie. Face it, you can have hundreds of posts that mean nothing or you can have a very few with a couple of validations and you are golden.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

C3.

Originally Posted by Mystical0945 [View Original Post]

Are so on the money with this. Guys call or text with the crap, "Hey how much to have you come over and fuck me? Or "Are you a true GFE?" or just anything along those lines that should NEVER be crossed. LEO isn't stupid they know what the hell those little abbreviations stand for and your ass will and can recieve a free set of silver bracelets that comes along with a free ride just for saying one word "YES".

Britt mentioned that a guy set the appointment was driving over and said something along the lines of "Hope you're ready for a good fucking" SERIOUSLY. Any and all of these gets you no appointment, number blocked and I will text the ladies I know and give them a heads up. You may be legitimate but I'm not willing to take that chance. Besides if you're truly in the "Hobby World" you KNOW not to ask questions.

So guys do your research, look the lady you're interested in seeing up on here, go check out her website any and questions you may have will be answered. Something else, when you see a lady put up a review of your time together, doesn't have to be a xxx novel just something short and classy the rest can be in back channels. (Ladies RESPOND to the gentlemans review in kind) That will get you in the door and between the sheets a lot faster I guarantee it.

Love To ALL

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT always Play HARD.

**Sillyolman** · 03-01-15 18:05

Originally Posted by Mystical0945 [View Original Post]

Are so on the money with this. Guys call or text with the crap, "Hey how much to have you come over and fuck me? Or "Are you a true GFE?" or just anything along those lines that should NEVER be crossed. LEO isn't stupid they know what the hell those little abbreviations stand for and your ass will and can recieve a free set of silver bracelets that comes along with a free ride just for saying one word "YES".

Britt mentioned that a guy set the appointment was driving over and said something along the lines of "Hope you're ready for a good fucking" SERIOUSLY. Any and all of these gets you no appointment, number blocked and I will text the ladies I know and give them a heads up. You may be legitimate but I'm not willing to take that chance. Besides if you're truly in the "Hobby World" you KNOW not to ask questions.

So guys do your research, look the lady you're interested in seeing up on here, go check out her website any and questions you may have will be answered. Something else, when you see a lady put up a review of your time together, doesn't have to be a xxx novel just something short and classy the rest can be in back channels. (Ladies RESPOND to the gentlemans review in kind) That will get you in the door and between the sheets a lot faster I guarantee it.

Love To ALL

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT always Play HARD.

You are spot on darlin. Very nice post.

**Florida Sun** · 03-01-15 15:54

Originally Posted by Jazak [View Original Post]

That's great then you put all your business out for everyone to see. My business will stay some what private.

I meant to say keep your business out of view.

On the other point when you are looking on short notice the best you can hope for is a roll in the hay. I have often opted for a message and extras, just to keep it simple. I guess it is hard to be the planner when 50% of the population controls 100% of the access points.

We are really just a small town when it comes entertainment options.

FS.

**Mystical0945** · 03-01-15 10:47

Originally Posted by Swaganna [View Original Post]

And I was beginning to think I was the only one. Don't forger the "wuts good ". Liked your post.

Savanna.

Are so on the money with this. Guys call or text with the crap, "Hey how much to have you come over and fuck me? Or "Are you a true GFE?" or just anything along those lines that should NEVER be crossed. LEO isn't stupid they know what the hell those little abbreviations stand for and your ass will and can recieve a free set of silver bracelets that comes along with a free ride just for saying one word "YES".

Britt mentioned that a guy set the appointment was driving over and said something along the lines of "Hope you're ready for a good fucking" SERIOUSLY. Any and all of these gets you no appointment, number blocked and I will text the ladies I know and give them a heads up. You may be legitimate but I'm not willing to take that chance. Besides if you're truly in the "Hobby World" you KNOW not to ask questions.

So guys do your research, look the lady you're interested in seeing up on here, go check out her website any and questions you may have will be answered. Something else, when you see a lady put up a review of your time together, doesn't have to be a xxx novel just something short and classy the rest can be in back channels. (Ladies RESPOND to the gentlemans review in kind) That will get you in the door and between the sheets a lot faster I guarantee it.

Love To ALL

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT always Play HARD.

**Jazak** · 03-01-15 09:18

Originally Posted by Swaganna [View Original Post]

Well truth is, I'm having the best time at my new stomping ground. Daytona gents are awesome and have been very kind to me. I actually came to the conclusion that I don't need to blast the fool that thought I cared. I'm me, I'm not fake, I don't sugar coat anything and I get my yearly douchebag vaccine so douchebaggery doesn't effect me and my WK armor is made out of that stuff dudes go shark diving in so flame on I don't fear the spear. I know you don't understand my method of madness like my advertising strategy. Example, my daytona ad has a statement letting future wannabe leeches that it is a waste of time to send me poems, I'm fucking Batgirl. Management and pimps are not welcome and I let it be known. Guess what, no texts not even douchebag ones.

Miss you Daddy.

Savanna.

Have fun in Daytona Savanna. Hope you get sand up your crack! LOL.

Love Ya!

Jazak.

**Jazak** · 03-01-15 08:56

Originally Posted by FloridaSun [View Original Post]

I also agree with both J&C3. I think you have two stacks to pick from. First time and repeat. The first time encounter which provides new variety can be complicated and risky under time restraint, due to verification and checking credentials requirements.

The repeat is pretty much is about availability. If I am making a last minute arrangement I want to do it with someone I know and that knows me. I can just say OK I am on my way and text once on location, I am home.

The new is the one that we run into most other scenarios. Delay, bait and switch, management hustle, LEO, and the list goes on. For those possibilities if I wanted to reverse the process I would not want it with someone new.

Also if I wanted to repeat I want to pick how I want my itch to be scratched, as mood and talent varies. So I would rather go down the list and hope the hunt is successful. I do like receiving a message on PM or burner voice or text, hey thinking of you. Sometimes that all it takes to tip the scale.

Conclusion, it is best to be in charge and put your business out for all to see.

That's great then you put all your business out for everyone to see. My business will stay some what private.

Also I have had just as much trouble trying to see known providers who have good reputations simply because they do not answer their phones and are very slow to reply to PM's or emails (4 to 6 hrs or more to reply). I have been wanting to see NaNa for a long time now because she is very beautiful and provides a great service but she mainly works with text only. If I call she does not answer if I PM or email her the response is normally 4 hrs or longer. I understand that she has gotten use to using texting over the years and that is what works best for her. So for that reason I do not know if I will ever get to see her. No I'm not getting texting I spend enough time on this damn computer typing already. I think if the providers want the clients then it is up to them to use texting, Voice phone, PM's, Emails in a timely manor and that does not mean you have to always answer the phone just check you voice messages frequently and return calls ASAP not 4-6 hrs or later. NaNa I mean no disrespect to you as I know you are a good provider do the best you can and I still hope to visit you some day some how.

**Jazak** · 03-01-15 08:30

Originally Posted by Redsox2005 [View Original Post]

One more thing, I do have a GF who lives with me. So I call or text a lady in my small window of opportunity, then 4-6 hours later I get a text or my phone rings, oops, how do I explain that. Who's calling? Who texted you? Man, now I'm screwed.

Sox man out.

Know what you are talking about. I have called two or three girls one after another only to get no answers on any of them. So I leave messages on all three and out of the three I'm lucky if one will call back and normally is it like you said hours later or when I'm in the middle of banging a dream. I guess that's just the way it goes some times.

Jazak.