"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Stixxer** · 02-19-15 11:32

Anyone else have issues like this? I find it hard to believe in this day and age. I like companies that use reputable (I've never had a problem with, anyways) billing like CCBill and what have you like that.

http://www.complaintsboard.com/compl...a-c204339.html

Also.

http://sugar-daddy-for-me.pissedcons...703425970.html

So what are some ways around thi? Using a prepaid card I suppose? Knowing that likely will be the case, I don't want to use my regular card.

This is disheartening, because honestly SD4 M seemed to have sweeter SB (assuming the profiles were legit) than SA, for my area. Unless I can find a secure way around like a prepaid card that I can keep loaded or let run out at my discretion.

**FyrGuy33** · 02-18-15 22:36

First, as always, I appreciate all the advice offered here by my Brothers. This is what makes this forum so priceless. I told my SB MILF this evening via text that due to changing financial circumstances I will no longer be in a position to advance any funds for any reason. As expected, she went on a rant about how I was supposed to be taking care of her in her time of need. I reminded her about our ATM discussion and that she had totally violated what she agreed to. I said that helping her out and what she has progressed to are two separate things. I have now blocked her number on my phone. In a word, NEXT!

**Stixxer** · 02-18-15 19:16

Originally Posted by BeardedMan67 [View Original Post]

Well Brothers.

I know it has been brought up on here before, it is interesting to see the amount of mental illness in these girls. All 4 of the girls I have seen on SA have had depression or bipolar issues, or a bad childhood with some sexual abuse. These factors must somehow cause them to seek out SA or other sites like it. They have all been good girls trying to improve their situation and go to school but just sad to hear their stories.

I agree, it is interesting and sad at the same time. Between high-strung anxiety, flipping off the handle if you're a few minutes late, and other issues, yeah it can be difficult. One girl I was with briefly she was a young former military gal and she told me about her PTSD but she's working trying to pay bills for her and her daughter I believe it was. I'm sure she'll be fine, she had her stuff together pretty good. But yeah, crazy family issues, bipolar, sexual abuse. I think it just makes it harder to maintain steady relationships over time. "Normal relationships" you might say so other less committed arrangments seem to work better.

What does that say about us, hahaha!

**F Scott** · 02-18-15 17:41

Gentlemen,

Many of you know that I prefer SA over SD4Me. At least in my area, the former has a consistently higher quality of baby, and it is where all of my long-term, ATF relationships have come from. Every once in a while, however, little Scottie gets it into his head that we should just see what SD4Me had to offer, just for a month, and so I relent and sign us up. It has been my experience that the SD4Me little fish are some of the most fantastic fucks I have had, full of energy, enthusiasm and creativity, but their lack of anything interesting beyond that, at least for me, causes me to lose interest sooner rather than later.

My observations also are that while the babies on SD are a little sleazier, there are more masquerading pros, and at least this time around I have encountered several scammers who have a beautifully-written text with stolen pictures, and when they email me the English is haphazard and difficult to follow at best. I can't figure out what the angle is, since I would eventually want to meet them in person, and if they are, as I suspect, Eastern European dudes, the party would stop then and there.

That said, I did have an m&g this morning with a gorgeous baby, originally from Ukraine, that quickly progressed from coffee to a near-by motel. One other truism about SD babies is that they tend to be happier with a smaller amount of sugar than their sisters on SA, which at present is good for me, since work is spotty at the moment. In any event, as I was taking her clothes off, I revealed a massive bruise on the right side of her entire body, which I have to admit gave me pause. When I asked her what was up with that, she detailed a remarkable story, which I condense here for the sake of brevity.

One day last week, she was riding in the car of a male friend of hers, who she didn't really know all that well, when a police car pulled up behind them and put on its lights. Instead of pulling over like any smart person would do, the guy floors it and leads the cops on a high-speed car chase, which ends when the dude runs a stop light and gets t-boned in the intersection on the passenger side of the car, right where this baby was sitting. The cops leap out, guns drawn, and make them both lie down on the ground, cuff them and take them in to the station, where the guy is arrested for outstanding drug-related warrants, and the baby, once it is determined she was an innocent passenger, is released. She's pissed at the guy for trying to outrun the cops, clearly, but also because they were on their way to another friend's house where they were going to smoke some weed and get drunk.

We are both naked as she is telling me all this, and while she has a stunning body to go along with the gorgeous face, I'm finding the end-to-end bruise a bit of a turn off. Scottie has lost most of his focus as well, and I'm thinking about all the sage advice on this thread about avoiding Nando 1's at all cost. Eventually, however, I decided that since the room was paid for, and neither one of us had clothes on, the polite thing would be to go ahead and bang her, which I did.

But my question, or perhaps challenge is a better word, to you all is this: who has a more insane story about a Nando 1 that they would like to share? I think to be fair it has to be a single incident, and not a repeating pattern of insanity. Something to do with weapons, or pit bulls, or maybe both. I have in the dim recess of my memory a story on this thread about some baby's estranged BF starting the house on fire while the brother was in bed with her. Maybe I'm making that up, but THAT would be a great story to hear again.

As always, it is great to see all the new faces in the clubhouse.

Keep up the good work, and let's share those Nando Tales!

Peace,

Scott.
PS when I got back home I googled her email address and several mug shots of her came up, all drug-related incidents, including one where she apparently called a pharmacy and tried to impersonate a doctor phoning in a prescription for herself for oxies, I assume, and was arrested when she showed up to buy them. That was back in 2013, so I'm sure she has cleaned up her act since then lol!

**HollywoodGuy** · 02-18-15 17:34

Originally Posted by FotoGuy1970 [View Original Post]

My advice in this particular circumstance always is to follow your gut and don't advance an amount you're not prepared to lose.

Very true. Once the money is spent, don't count on anything more than you have already gotten. Personally I have lost thousands doing this. I always think of them as investments. Sometimes they pay off and mostly they don't.

**FotoGuy1970** · 02-18-15 17:05

Originally Posted by FyrGuy33 [View Original Post]

So now she has lost her job. We all know what that means. Stixxer is 100% right. She will now up her game on all the crisis in her life. Fortunately I am in Florida until next week so she knows I cannot front her any funds. However, if she doesn't find a job by the time I get back I think I will have to go radio silent on her. Anybody have any other thoughts on this? I'm thinking it's time to move on. She's a fun gal and I enjoy hanging out with her. Sex is off the charts and she is fun to talk to. But. I shopuld probably re-read this thread to confirm that I am on the right track. After all, it's just pussy at the end of the day and I can always find a new one.

My advice in this particular circumstance always is to follow your gut and don't advance an amount you're not prepared to lose. I've advanced sugar twice in my entire sugar career. Once to my first legitimate SB and once to a different SB I was seeing at a different point in time. When those particular SBs asked, I felt that they were trustworthy enough and that we had a good enough relationship that I felt comfortable advancing them the requested amount. And both times, each SB made good on making up the advance back to me under the conditions that we had agreed upon. Just go with your instincts.

**FredMoore** · 02-18-15 16:42

Originally Posted by FyrGuy33 [View Original Post]

So now she has lost her job. We all know what that means. Stixxer is 100% right. She will now up her game on all the crisis in her life. Fortunately I am in Florida until next week so she knows I cannot front her any funds. However, if she doesn't find a job by the time I get back I think I will have to go radio silent on her. Anybody have any other thoughts on this? I'm thinking it's time to move on. She's a fun gal and I enjoy hanging out with her. Sex is off the charts and she is fun to talk to. But. I shopuld probably re-read this thread to confirm that I am on the right track. After all, it's just pussy at the end of the day and I can always find a new one.

Once they crash through the Nando 1 sound barrier there is probably no return. But since she has been such a good provider for you it might be worth having THE Talk. Set the rules for payment only at the time of service and stick to it. OTOH if she has been true to her word and provided when she said she would, and if you do not let her get too far ahead of you it might be worth seeing her through this crisis. I had one like her who I allowed to sweet talk me a little too far ahead. I ended up cutting her loose with $300 unpaid credit. My bad since I let it happen.

**RubberyMan** · 02-18-15 16:26

Originally Posted by FyrGuy33 [View Original Post]

So now she has lost her job. We all know what that means. Stixxer is 100% right. She will now up her game on all the crisis in her life. Fortunately I am in Florida until next week so she knows I cannot front her any funds. However, if she doesn't find a job by the time I get back I think I will have to go radio silent on her. Anybody have any other thoughts on this? I'm thinking it's time to move on. She's a fun gal and I enjoy hanging out with her. Sex is off the charts and she is fun to talk to. But. I shopuld probably re-read this thread to confirm that I am on the right track. After all, it's just pussy at the end of the day and I can always find a new one.

Sometimes these situations provide an opportunity to extend the boundaries of what you can do. Something that she would not put on the table before? Now might be a good time to get it included as part of the deal.

**HoyaSvnFgr** · 02-18-15 13:35

Need advice. I stepped my game up and I'm only committing time to girls 8+. I have a M&G tonight at a 5 star dinner spot. She'll likely be one of the most wholesome girls I've meet up with. She ignored msgs for weeks, finally responded and after a few days of chatting on the SA site, we've confirmed a dinner date. Her stats 22/ Mixed / Law School student 10/10/10, says she had a SD relationship before. Her expectations say "negotiable".

In our chats, the convo hasn't shifted to an arrangement or allowance. This is the first girl I'd consider a LTR SB. How do I get a girl like this to drop the panties quickly?

All my past successes or first night BBBJ or FC came after a bar or lounge was involved. I typically wear a suit, no tie, nice cologne and bring a wad of cash to pay for everything. After a couple of drinks we're kissing, petting and things move on quickly. Because this girls temperment has been even and hard to read I don't know what to anticipate.

**FyrGuy33** · 02-18-15 12:09

So now she has lost her job. We all know what that means. Stixxer is 100% right. She will now up her game on all the crisis in her life. Fortunately I am in Florida until next week so she knows I cannot front her any funds. However, if she doesn't find a job by the time I get back I think I will have to go radio silent on her. Anybody have any other thoughts on this? I'm thinking it's time to move on. She's a fun gal and I enjoy hanging out with her. Sex is off the charts and she is fun to talk to. But. I shopuld probably re-read this thread to confirm that I am on the right track. After all, it's just pussy at the end of the day and I can always find a new one.

**HollywoodGuy** · 02-18-15 11:49

Someone just thanked me via PM for my 5 step plan. It made me recall my first M&G. I was so nervous driving to the restaurant I got into a car accident on the way there.

**BeardedMan67** · 02-18-15 09:11

Well Brothers.

Just an update on life in the bowl in the midwest. Started the year with a 19 yo white 9/9/9. Had been seeing her for months. She developed a serious boyfriend and needed to stop. Left on good terms. Found a 24 yo with small daughter. She is a social worker and in between jobs. She also has her own apartment that we can use! Nice curly hair and banging body. Pretty submissive. Keeps my cock in her mouth a good portion of the time. I started off taking just a couple of pictures with her and offering her the ability to delete them, but on the next date just started videoing her-Wow!! Seemed like it made her more freaky!! I see her every 2 weeks.

Then one day a girl popped up on SA that lived 1 town over. Tall with a nice rack. 19 yo. College student. Took me several try's to get her to respond to me. We started texting each other. Met at a local hotel- no m&g. She is awesome. She very much likes to please and really likes the gifts I bring her-lingerie, panties. She lives with her mother so I have to rent a room, but she has been taking 125 per visit and she sends me awesome pics every week.

So then on my weekly business trip 3 hours away I found an 18 yo. 5'4" 100 lb spinner. We exchanged messages on SA for several weeks and she agreed to meet me for oral sex and a massage. She same to my hotel and we talked for over an hour. She then said we can have sex I know you are not a creep. She is very quiet but was up for anything. I especially enjoyed having her hang her head off the bed and deep throating her! She had never done anything like that. She has had a hard life. Screwed up parents, some sexual abuse, but trying to improve herself and has taken her little brother in to protect him from bad family situation. Next time she said we could watch a movie afterwards and she would spend the night with me.

So I started the year down and depressed because I lost my SB and didn't think it could get any better, and now I have three!! I should probably drop one, but that is a hard choice!!

I know it has been brought up on here before, it is interesting to see the amount of mental illness in these girls. All 4 of the girls I have seen on SA have had depression or bipolar issues, or a bad childhood with some sexual abuse. These factors must somehow cause them to seek out SA or other sites like it. They have all been good girls trying to improve their situation and go to school but just sad to hear their stories.

I love reading other members stories and have learned a lot from this thread!

**Stixxer** · 02-18-15 00:09

Originally Posted by FyrGuy33 [View Original Post]

The other ones are merely looking to turn you into their personal ATM. For those young ladies, I just say NEXT!

Having had an escort try to turn me into her personal ATM, I can certainly relate that 1) nobody likes that, and 2) you don't want to go down that road. They will have no shortage of emergencies that they need a little help with. And they may be true, some of them anyways. But at the very least you have to ask yourself "do I want to have such an arragment with a woman whose life is so full of crisis financial situations and I'm the person for some reason she goes to for help with all of them?

Yeah. No!

On the other hand, you are the sugar daddy and you got to take care of your baby to keep the sugar sweet. I'm fortunate that my lady on the side has other more generous and capable suitors and my relatively small donation helps smooth out the slow times for her.

**FyrGuy33** · 02-17-15 23:58

Speaking of that, last summer I me an extremely hot 46 why / o MILF on SA. She lives 2 towns over from me, so it has been very convenient. We had met for lunch at a diner the first date and all went well. She had agreed to FC trips for $150. These were non stop sucking and fucking for the entire 3 hours we had the SS. During the m&g, I had established, and she understood, that I was not going to be her personal ATM. Well, shortly after the first of the year she would ask for an advance. Reluctantly, I did that for her because she was in a tight spot a couple of times. We would meet later in the week at the FC and I didn't have to give her any sugar, so she was making good on it. Now the problem is this is starting to happen way too often. I think I need to cut her loose now as she seems to be turning Nando1 on me. Well, it was good while it lasted. NEXT!

**FyrGuy33** · 02-17-15 23:52

Originally Posted by Nice499 [View Original Post]

I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.

Sometimes you run into the ones that think you should pay them to sit and look pretty. I have never done that. When they request that, I tell them I will gladly pay the expense of the date itself, coffee, dinner, drinks, but I will not pay them for showing up for that. I tell them that I do not pay to sit and talk to them. I can get that at home for free. The sugar doesn't start until the panties hit the floor. They will try and tell you that your investing in a future arrangement. I ask them if they pay to go on a job interview. About half of them go silent at that point. The other half will meet you anyway. The ones that meet you without the sugar are the ones that are serious about an arrangement. The other ones are merely looking to turn you into their personal ATM. For those young ladies, I just say NEXT!