The Rat Trap

[OrlandoDoc]

I called out Eastie on saying he asked Rache21 to fly out to him for 48 hours when she was in Texas and also that he had Joy join him in Italy. Eastie sent me this:

Did you read what joytoy said.

"Feel free to call both joytoy and rachel you asshole. Read what joytoy posted. I think you owe me an apology you pompous ass. ".

My pompous ass will apologize to Eastie upon PM confirmation from Joy and Rachel.

[Intrigued]

Since we seem to be on this subject, I wanted to make a comment.

A man sits down at a bar next to a beautiful blond and starts talking to her.

"Excuse me Miss, would you be willing to have sex with me if I gave you a million dollars in cash?

She replies, "why yes, I most certainly would; if you gave it to me up front.

He says, "then would you have sex with me for ten dollars?

She says, "hell no! What kind of a girl do you think I am?"

He replies, "we've already determined what type of a girl you are. Now we're just negotiatiating price."

In the end, it's simply a business transaction. All of us need to remember that. Ladies, if a client asks you for a discount, you have only three decisions to make:

1. Accept the offer.

2. Decline the offer.

3. Make a counter offer.

That's pretty much it. There's no need to feel insulted. There's no need to be mad or hurt. There's certainly no need to accept the offer and reduce your service level. There's no need for any of that. Choose one of the three options and take it from there.

I also find it odd that some of the guys that say that they would never, ever ask a BP girl for a discount, have no problems in negotiating down a price that a SW gives them. In fact, bargaining down SW's is normal operating procedure. These are also the same girls that start out asking about one third what a BP girl asks for the same services. But yet, there seems to be a huge difference between asking a BP girl for a discount versus asking a SW for a reduced rate. Why is this so dramatically different with so many mongers?

I kind of have to agree with A2's assessment on all of this. While I always advocate treating girls with respect. I also won't allow myself to be taken advantage of either. Who knows? The reduced roses that you give a girl might just be exactly what she needed to keep her electrictity from being cut off, or keep her car from being repo'd, give her the extra she needed to pay her rent, buy food, etc. Ladies remember, some roses is always better than getting no roses.

That's my take on the subject. I guess the only thing for me to do now is wait for the inevitable Swaganna's barbed rebuttal post!

I almost always negotiate. I know some girls really hate it but I just can't stop now. A certain provider taught me a few tricks about how to deal with providers and I just can't turn it off now. Maybe I should pay her a visit and show her what I learned since we last played together.

[RainbowDash3]

Ladies, if a client asks you for a discount, you have only three decisions to make:

1. Accept the offer.

2. Decline the offer.

3. Make a counter offer.

If only life were that easy. If only!

Your first six words can give you an idea of where the problem lies. You are seeing an escort, like in going out on dates and getting to know each other. Well, I think that she might be a decent person that wants to prevent her customer from confusing business with infatuation before he starts asking for an exclusive relationship. Like C3 wrote: move to the next.

This has been one of the more reasonable, thought out, and well put answers I have received from the internet. Which, if you've been on the caustic part of the internet, is refreshing to read.

[Petroff]

If you were seeing an escort but then the escort told you that she wanted to be friends and not do the provider / client relationship any more, what would you do?

Your first six words can give you an idea of where the problem lies. You are seeing an escort, like in going out on dates and getting to know each other. Well, I think that she might be a decent person that wants to prevent her customer from confusing business with infatuation before he starts asking for an exclusive relationship. Like C3 wrote: move to the next.

[Vino 7373]

Since we seem to be on this subject, I wanted to make a comment.

A man sits down at a bar next to a beautiful blond and starts talking to her.

"Excuse me Miss, would you be willing to have sex with me if I gave you a million dollars in cash?

She replies, "why yes, I most certainly would; if you gave it to me up front.

He says, "then would you have sex with me for ten dollars?

She says, "hell no! What kind of a girl do you think I am?"

He replies, "we've already determined what type of a girl you are. Now we're just negotiatiating price."

In the end, it's simply a business transaction. All of us need to remember that. Ladies, if a client asks you for a discount, you have only three decisions to make:

1. Accept the offer.

2. Decline the offer.

3. Make a counter offer.

That's pretty much it. There's no need to feel insulted. There's no need to be mad or hurt. There's certainly no need to accept the offer and reduce your service level. There's no need for any of that. Choose one of the three options and take it from there.

I also find it odd that some of the guys that say that they would never, ever ask a BP girl for a discount, have no problems in negotiating down a price that a SW gives them. In fact, bargaining down SW's is normal operating procedure. These are also the same girls that start out asking about one third what a BP girl asks for the same services. But yet, there seems to be a huge difference between asking a BP girl for a discount versus asking a SW for a reduced rate. Why is this so dramatically different with so many mongers?

I kind of have to agree with A2's assessment on all of this. While I always advocate treating girls with respect. I also won't allow myself to be taken advantage of either. Who knows? The reduced roses that you give a girl might just be exactly what she needed to keep her electrictity from being cut off, or keep her car from being repo'd, give her the extra she needed to pay her rent, buy food, etc. Ladies remember, some roses is always better than getting no roses.

That's my take on the subject. I guess the only thing for me to do now is wait for the inevitable Swaganna's barbed rebuttal post!

[Camera3]

You may be over thinking it. I think I might consider just going to the next lady on my bucket list is a real good way to move on down the road.

C3.

If you were seeing an escort but then the escort told you that she wanted to be friends and not do the provider / client relationship any more, what would you do?

[Member #4697]

Pet,

Look at Michele's ad. It states clearly that she doesn't discount and don't ask. Well, some morons still ask. Why?

But look at it from a hypothetical SP's perspective. And this is actually part of a conversation I had the other day with a SP. She asked a legitimate question. "If you beat me up on price what kind of service do you think I am going to provide?" Think about it. This hypothetical SP has many, many good reviews. You talk her down on price. She gives you lack luster service and kicks you out early. What are you going to do? Write a bad review? Do you think anyone will believe you? Sorry, dude, you are just fucked all around.

Remember, we live in a world where 50% of the populations controls 100% of the pussy.

So, yeah, continue to piss off the ladies. Continue to think you are somehow a super stud when you are really a pathetic looser that hires ****** to fuck you. Keep pressing for the discount or some service you want that isn't on the menu. Great strategy.

Or, as my daddy taught me, don't get bigger than your raisin'. There is some really good talent out there that is cheap. These gals may not be legends or drop dead gorgeous, but the service is there for you at your price point. One day when you are worth something maybe you can step up and date a legend.

Just sayin'.

C3.

C3,

You know I respect you so I'm just playing the devils advocate here. Now I never ask for a discount nor have I ever threatened anyone with a bad review. Nor have I ever try to push anyone into a service they don't provide. Actually I never ask for anything and let the girl go where they want to go with the encounter. And I can assure you I don't think I'm a stud when seeing a provider because any good ball with the correct change can see the same girl. Now I've had providers stalk me, give me free sessions, ask me on dates, text me like a lunatic, ask me for all kinds of things outside of the initial scope of our relationship. So this goes both ways. And 100% of the pussy belongs to 50% of the population but on the flip side of that coin 50% of the population makes up 100% of their customers. So we are ever again faced of in a old school Tijuana BF.

Lord Casanova.

[RainbowDash3]

If so delete all evidence of this. LOL.

This could be a polite way of the the provider saying she thinks your a douche...not saying u r one..just hypothetical

Just a hypothetical. I was reading up on reddit and thought of this. Also, when you quote something I don't think that gets deleted, so too late for me anyways even if I did want to delete the message!


[edit]: if anyone wants to reply but stay somewhat anonymous, you can PM me. Will not disclose names. My word is as good as my bond, to partially quote Cervantes.

[PharmaGuy]

I will probably regret posting this, but I'm curious what everyone else thinks. This board is the only place to really post bullshit like this, so apologies for ruining the flow of things A2 / everyone else.

If you were seeing an escort but then the escort told you that she wanted to be friends and not do the provider / client relationship any more, what would you do?

I've asked a similar question on another message board with a similar style (and virtually no other extra details or info), and the answers I've received were:

- Bro, she's scoping you out to rob you.

- LOL you got friendzoned.

- She's testing you for a real relationship (weirdest answer I've received!

- Something that happened during a later meeting caused the escort to reevaluate her meet ups with you.
- A bullshit answer of saying "No I don't want to see you any more" (although, why wouldn't you just say it to begin with?)

Just wondering if that covers all of it, or if there's any other situations. It is kind of interesting to see how people think though . . .

If so delete all evidence of this. LOL.

This could be a polite way of the the provider saying she thinks your a douche...not saying u r one..just hypothetical

[RainbowDash3]

I will probably regret posting this, but I'm curious what everyone else thinks. This board is the only place to really post bullshit like this, so apologies for ruining the flow of things A2 / everyone else.

If you were seeing an escort but then the escort told you that she wanted to be friends and not do the provider / client relationship any more, what would you do?

I've asked a similar question on another message board with a similar style (and virtually no other extra details or info), and the answers I've received were:

- Bro, she's scoping you out to rob you.

- LOL you got friendzoned.

- She's testing you for a real relationship (weirdest answer I've received!

- Something that happened during a later meeting caused the escort to reevaluate her meet ups with you.
- A bullshit answer of saying "No I don't want to see you any more" (although, why wouldn't you just say it to begin with?)

Just wondering if that covers all of it, or if there's any other situations. It is kind of interesting to see how people think though . . .

[Quilino]

Pet,

Look at Michele's ad. It states clearly that she doesn't discount and don't ask. Well, some morons still ask. Why?

But look at it from a hypothetical SP's perspective. And this is actually part of a conversation I had the other day with a SP. She asked a legitimate question. "If you beat me up on price what kind of service do you think I am going to provide?" Think about it. This hypothetical SP has many, many good reviews. You talk her down on price. She gives you lack luster service and kicks you out early. What are you going to do? Write a bad review? Do you think anyone will believe you? Sorry, dude, you are just fucked all around.

Remember, we live in a world where 50% of the populations controls 100% of the pussy.

So, yeah, continue to piss off the ladies. Continue to think you are somehow a super stud when you are really a pathetic looser that hires ****** to fuck you. Keep pressing for the discount or some service you want that isn't on the menu. Great strategy.

Or, as my daddy taught me, don't get bigger than your raisin'. There is some really good talent out there that is cheap. These gals may not be legends or drop dead gorgeous, but the service is there for you at your price point. One day when you are worth something maybe you can step up and date a legend.

Just sayin'.

C3.

Where is a provider going to go where some percentage of hobbyists are not going to try to push the envelope, be nasty or show some type of negative behavior? You mean to tell me that we here in Orlando are the worst of the bunch compared to any other city in the good old US of A? In any type of business, you're always going to find good customers and some that you want to throw out the door. That's just human nature. No disrespect intended, just my 2 cents.

[Otwist]

I know the ladies will jump in here and kick my ass but what you describe isn't my experience (in S America anyway, I don't monger in Sex Prison), Chicks have always performed better when I showed strength and wouldn't pay a crazy number. There is this weird thing about most people. What they think they want, or are responsive to, actually usually isn't. Chicks (here and in real life) always say they want to know respectful gentlemen, yet the choices they make in their personal lives rarely reflect that.

Guys are just as guilty, we all say we want a sweet nympho that owns a liquor store yet we end up with castrating man haters.

Just my experience, chicks with esteem issues always give better service, then when you are really nice to them thinking they will respond to that generally brings the opposite result and they treat you with contempt. In this particular world where most of us are a little broken, it seems to be the rule more often.

Ladies before you jump in and flame me, I don't advocate being abusive, just harder to please than most of you. I would like finding a string of chicks that I could pay a fair price, develop a good working relationship, and enjoy a longer term mutually beneficial relationship but they don't allow that. From time to time if I'm not a asshole they always try to take advantage.

Just me the guy writing, not the admin.

A2.

There is much truth in what you said here, but the same could be said about C3. There are all kinds of ladies out there and that is why we continue to search.

[Ashley23]

Ashley it's Rachel21 LOL your 23.

LOL I thought so after I wrote it but I couldn't ask cause you were busy so I thought just maybe!

[WinterParkFL]

For those guys that have been texting me for year's and months and we never hooked up. You have to understand my point it's frustrating and I take it as you are bull shittin around. Please don't try and ruin my business, and say I have attitude because I simply ask you not to contact me!! Be professional and I wouldn't ask you not to contact me anymore. I been doing this six years and I take it as bull shit when you do that.

I fully respect and appreciate the providers right to choose whom they deal with. I've had experience in the pay for play world for 20 years or so, and have been on both sides of this coin. I've had providers that I have longed to see that I have never managed to hook up with. Some are like the mythical unicorn that no matter what I try it just simply will never work out. If it is a case that she does not want to see me for some personal choice than please say so. I would like to direct my attention to somebody that is interested. However if said provider is just stringing me along to spare my feelings, or avoid confrontation, well then that just sucks. I don't like to waste my time anymore than the next person.

In defense of the other side, I have had providers that have misunderstood the relationship or grown too familiar causing them to bother me for dates, money, a ride, etc. To the point that I would have to end the relationship. It's always funny to me how a business relationship can move into the girlfriend zone when the money becomes consistent. My problem with that is, I am only paying to fuck, I have no desire to take you to the store, or hear about your problems.

On a somewhat related topic, for many years I have had the idea of creating a "john" driven backwards BP or Facebook type of site. A place where all those interested in the company of a provider can post their profile and interests, the amount they wish to contribute for the specific activities they desire, etc. The providers can join, shop around, see what tickles their fancy and contact the men to set the dates. Before you poo poo on the idea, please understand I'm speaking in generalities, and fully understand their are many logistical hurdles to overcome. In principal though I think it would be interesting. The idea originally popped up in my head from a very sexy girl that has never worked in this industry who told me she wishes she knew every know and then if a hot guy would give her money, because she would probably fuck him anyway. Would such a site bring out a flurry of UTR talent?

Of course the downside to such a site would be pointing the lens back at ourselves. I wonder how we as clients would all fair in the reverse situation. Would we appreciate reviews from providers commenting on hygiene, genital size and stamina? I'm not sure how much I would enjoy reading: "go see WinterparkFL, he has a tiny dick, but don't worry he is clean and will be finished in three minutes anyway. ".

[Camera3]

I just tend to be a pretty easy guy to get along with, communicative, empathetic, I listen and that has worked well for me. I have dated quite a few of the active ladies here. I would really be interested in knowing. Ladies who I have loved, how is my style?

C3.

I know the ladies will jump in here and kick my ass but what you describe isn't my experience (in S America anyway, I don't monger in Sex Prison), Chicks have always performed better when I showed strength and wouldn't pay a crazy number. There is this weird thing about most people. What they think they want, or are responsive to, actually usually isn't. Chicks (here and in real life) always say they want to know respectful gentlemen, yet the choices they make in their personal lives rarely reflect that.

Guys are just as guilty, we all say we want a sweet nympho that owns a liquor store yet we end up with castrating man haters.

Just my experience, chicks with esteem issues always give better service, then when you are really nice to them thinking they will respond to that generally brings the opposite result and they treat you with contempt. In this particular world where most of us are a little broken, it seems to be the rule more often.

Ladies before you jump in and flame me, I don't advocate being abusive, just harder to please than most of you. I would like finding a string of chicks that I could pay a fair price, develop a good working relationship, and enjoy a longer term mutually beneficial relationship but they don't allow that. From time to time if I'm not a asshole they always try to take advantage.

Just me the guy writing, not the admin.

A2.