"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

I would bring over a few bottles of wine, the willingness to listen to her tales in person, and a very upbeat attitude about how you are going to help her get put of trouble (if the tales of woe get too depressing, you might end up as her shoulder to cry on or spend an evening in the friend zone). A more experienced brother correctly posted that wine helps bring folks together in ways that coffee simply cannot.

I would just say something like "I have helped out a few girls with their problems over the years, even financial ones, but we were dating. I,m not saying that's what you had in mind, but I just wanted to put it out there.

If that seems a little too forward, lets just have a look at those bills and see if we can prioritize them in a way that's not so scary. But I'm interested if you are".

And then shut up.

Sounds like something a little too close to civi dating and I doubt I could pull this off. But the cut to the chase approach works a good percentage of the time.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Seeking advice here:

A social media "friend" (I have never met her) posts all the time about being broke and how close to financial ruin she is in. She is also hot and does some pinup / nude modeling for female photographers. I opened the floodgates via PM and asked about her troubles and the deluge of her tales of woe began. Sensing an opportunity, I told her "I bet we could find some way to get her some money" to which she replied "I would be eternally grateful!

Now I am going over to her crappy apartment to talk about "my ideas" for her. I don't want to misstep and have several scenarios loosely in mind.

What would your next step be?

I would bring over a few bottles of wine, the willingness to listen to her tales in person, and a very upbeat attitude about how you are going to help her get put of trouble (if the tales of woe get too depressing, you might end up as her shoulder to cry on or spend an evening in the friend zone). A more experienced brother correctly posted that wine helps bring folks together in ways that coffee simply cannot.

[Zauriel]

Seeking advice here:

A social media "friend" (I have never met her) posts all the time about being broke and how close to financial ruin she is in. She is also hot and does some pinup / nude modeling for female photographers. I opened the floodgates via PM and asked about her troubles and the deluge of her tales of woe began. Sensing an opportunity, I told her "I bet we could find some way to get her some money" to which she replied "I would be eternally grateful!

Now I am going over to her crappy apartment to talk about "my ideas" for her. I don't want to misstep and have several scenarios loosely in mind.

What would your next step be?

[IluvSmellyFish]

Thanks for the detailed report. Very helpful. It helped me realize why I do things a certain way. I would say its almost impossible for me to go out and have anything more than a few bites and then go to the FC. I really prefer or actually have to bang on an empty or near empty stomach or I don't feel so good. I might get dizzy. LOL. I also don't drink. And there is no way in hell I can go out in traffic between 4 pm and 8 pm. Its a nightmare. This pretty much restricts my FC time to between 9 pm and midnite weekdays. And I can't stay up any later or I will get thrown off my regular work schedule. But I can certainly understand a girl wanting the adventure of dinner, drinks and a nice hotel. I.E a real date.

I say almost, only because at the end of the day, all the guys are looking for one main thing...but our preferences end up defining who we end up with. On the other hand, the ladies on the sites have so many different motivations that I often wonder if they even know what they are looking for.

I have read your reports sir and envy you. Like Fred Moore I am under the watch of my SO. Even though she was gone most of Dec. Helping an aunt, she was still suspicious and started calling in to check on me during odd hours. Nothing kills the mood like a phone call from the ball and chain.

Moving forward, I will need to limit my activities to the day time. Sadly my overnights will be limited. I suspect that will impact my ability to keep some of the sbs on my list happy. I have no doubt that one of our bretheren in my market who doesn't have my limitations will meet their needs.

I am just happy you are not in my market and our preference and taste in the ladies differ. Otherwise I would be sure that I would lose one or most to you ;D

Happy new years Gents and good luck to all the players in thr bowl!

[HollywoodGuy]

CONCLUSIONS: Its been an amazing month. I wish the bowl had existed in all its glory when I was a younger man. Lucky for me, I'm young enough where I hope to have many years ahead. Although at this rate, I might not. Not sure how I'm going to manage to pull this off. This month has been manageable because the SO has been out of town taking care of things for her aunt. I suspect one or two SBs will have to drop from my rotation or at the very least, I'll need to meet up with them only enough to ensure that ties are maintained.

I went over my planned budget of $1000 a month by over 50%. Made a few mistakes by booking hotels that were too expensive, and ordered meals for myself, that in retrospect I could have done without (next time I'll stick with a burger or a salad). I could have trimmed my overage by about 25% if I had been smarter about things.

Also, to put things in perspective, I probably sent out about 250 messages this month (short, clever notes that incorporate something from the girl's profile in order to trigger a laugh and a response -almost always sent from my phone while I'm on the other "bowl," so that I can maximize my time and multitask). Of those 250 about 25 of them generated responses. Of those 25, about 8 turned into a M&G. Of the 8 M&Gs I had this month the 5 above resulted in trips to the FC. The other 3 M&G's were disappointing. One was with a girl who had a profile picture of herself that was about 5 years and 25 lbs ago. No surprise that she is the same one that insisted on meeting for dinner rather than just drinks / coffee at first. I made a $40 mistake agreeing to that. The other two M&G's were with girls who had unrealistic expectationsaboutwhat they would needfora trip to theFC. I declined them both politely, but let them know that if they are ever looking to spend time with a nice guy, they should get in touch with me.

Misc expenses: $50 online membership; $10 for 2 coffee M&G's; $40 for 1 dinner M&G (which I've learned not to do again).

Thanks for the detailed report. Very helpful. It helped me realize why I do things a certain way. I would say its almost impossible for me to go out and have anything more than a few bites and then go to the FC. I really prefer or actually have to bang on an empty or near empty stomach or I don't feel so good. I might get dizzy. LOL. I also don't drink. And there is no way in hell I can go out in traffic between 4 pm and 8 pm. Its a nightmare. This pretty much restricts my FC time to between 9 pm and midnite weekdays. And I can't stay up any later or I will get thrown off my regular work schedule. But I can certainly understand a girl wanting the adventure of dinner, drinks and a nice hotel. I.E a real date.

I occasionally will do the full monty, including the girls party favor of choice. But mostly restrict my activities to my home to save on the room.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Report for Dec. 2014.

SB 1 - Tall, thin, 19 why / o redhead. She is an actual model, with pictures up on a legitimate agency website. Met for coffee, which morphed to lunch. Talked about making plans for an "evening" before we went our separate ways. Met for dinner later that week, and then a trip back to her place (she has room-mates, but they were out of town for the weekend). Played for about two hours and then left an envelope on her nightstand while she was sleeping so that I could get home.

Expenses $150 allowance; $160 in dating costs (5 coffee, $35 lunch, $120 dinner): Total expenses - $310 for a trip to the FC. Very attractive, ok in bed. But more importantly very interested in learning and extremely trainable, but will need to keep my eye on whether she is in this for a "real" relationship. She is very new and seems to be in it for fun experiences with an older guy / or maybe trying to establish a real thing. Face 10; Body 9; Bed 5 - but with some training I intend to make her a 8/9 in the sack and if I can help her overcome some insecurities she could easily be a 10. We have plans later this month when her roommates will be out of town. I told her I would make her dinner after she indicated that she just wanted a movie night in. If she keeps this up, I'll need to keep her around because she MIGHT be very easy on my budget, and is definitely very easy on my eyes.

SB 2 - Tall, thin 31 why / o blonde. Immigrated here from Eastern Europe when she was in middle school. Claims to be a former model, and definitely could have been. Met initially for coffee but I had to run afterwards because of a meeting. I assure you that I didn't want to leave. Funny thing was that I almost didn't meet up with her because I kind of got the vibe that she might be looking for a green card when we traded text messages. Turns out she's already naturalized, and is just the sweetest, nicest thing. It doesn't hurt that her legs go on for miles and miles. We made plans for dinner, afterwards went for drinks, which turned into a trip to the FC. She spent half the night in the hotel with me, and I was glad to find out she was multi-orgasmic. I think she may be living at home with family or possibly a boyfriend or husband, because in the middle of the night she tried to sneak out the door and said that she wanted to stay but had to take care of something back at home (she also made it clear previously she could not host, which is why we ended up at a hotel). I woke up as she was leaving, and offered to walk her to her car. She still hadn't received her gift from me, and I wanted to make sure that I gave it to her, to keep her coming back for more. Besides, I reduced the gift significantly because it was an expensive night, but I also wanted to make sure she got some sugar, since I want to keep this one coming back. Face 8; Body 10; Bed 10. We have plans again for next weekend.

Expense: $100 allowance; $450 in dating costs (200 hotel, $200 dinner, $5 coffee, $45 after dinner drinks) Total expense was $550 for a trip to the FC with her. I made the mistake of going too upscale on the hotel. Next time I'll use a mid level chain, and dinner will be at a more reasonable restaurant. *Update. Since this report, we met again. I'll include it in my update next month. As a preview, costs came in at about 1/2 of the first date, she stayed the entire night and drained me completely dry. If this keeps up, I will need to start buying condoms from BJ's, Sam's Club or Costco.

SB 3 - Cute 18 why / o brunnette. Not too tall, not too short. She's young, but definitely not new to the bowl. A bit flaky, but the arrangement with her was very quick and easy to sort out. Oddly enough though, of all my SBs so far, this one wants to talk on the phone every now and then. I don't understand it because I thought the younger generation only communicated via text and email. In any case, while chatting over coffee, she asks me if I'm ready to take it to the next level. I told her that I'd love to. We left arm in arm to a low / mid level hotel. Made a short detour to get her allowance. Enjoyed the afternoon in the FC with her. Left her in the room after about two hours of private time so that I could go back to the office. I told her that I would trust her if she wanted to hang out in the room, and that if she broke that trust we wouldn't see each other again. Crazy how much leverage you have once you have one or two SBs that are in your rotation. Face 8; Body 9 (mainly because she is so young and oh so tight); Bed 8. Checked my cc online and no extra room charges and I have been texting her about meeting in the middle of the work week later next month on a day when the office might be slow.

Expenses: $150 allowance; $80 in dating costs (75 for hotel, $5 coffee): Total damage $230 for a trip to the FC.

SB 4 - 24 why / o blonde MILF spinner. Super laid back, very easy going. This one is out of town, which is a good thing for me, since because of the distance we both agreed that the understanding is that we're going to have an occasional thing when we both have time. Lucky for me, she has a lot of time, so I should be able to see her whenever I have a hole in my schedule. Asked her where she wanted to meet, and she texted back a fast food chain location. I wasn't going to disagree, especially since I had driven about an hour to see her. She looked better in real life than she does in her pictures. We hit it off and she agreed to head back to the FC with me. No discussion of any allowance. Spent the rest of the morning and then the afternoon with her. For having more than one kid, her body was in amazing shape. She also definitely knows how to use it. Face8;Body 7 (she's has 3 kids which put a little wear and so she's not as tight SBs 1-3); Bed 8. She left because her babysitter had to go. I slipped her an envelope with her allowance as she was leaving. She told me to call her next time I'd be in town without even checking the amount. Sent me a follow up text to thank me for the "generous" gift. She was genuinely appreciative, and wants to meet anytime I'm in town visiting. She is definitely worth the hour drive and I plan on making it out to see her at least once every two months. I'm finding that women outside of my main market in smaller towns will be a lot easier on the monthly budget, but will require more time because of transport time back and forth. Great for the budget, but will raise questions with the SO on why I'm constantly out of town.

Expenses: $100 allowance; $75 in dating costs ($50 for hotel, $2. 50 coffee): Total damage $157.50 for a trip to the FC.

SB 5 - 22 why / o blonde spinner with an amazing body. She is a server and has a wicked sense of humor that I dig. She became much more interested after I texted her my pictures. Met at a Starbucks and she was the one that asked if I was interested in taking it to the next level. Initially, her starting idea for an allowance was a little ridiculous. She came down dramatically when told her that I'd love to give her what her last SD did, but that even though I was honest about my net worth on the site, because of my child, and the expenses I'm currently incurring for my little one (e. G. Setting aside college fund, etc. , I wasn't going to be able to give her $500 ever time I met her. She initially seemed skeptical. I was very nice about it, but made it clear that the allowance I was willing to offer wasn't negotiable, and that if she ever changed her mind, that I'd love to see her. After flashing her a smile, I joked that "she wouldn't want my child to go hungry, would she?" She laughed, tells me that she would've probably gone back to the FC with me if we had met at a bar anyway, and then we're off to the races. Face 7, Body 8; Bed 9. She wants to see me more often and has offered to take a cut in her allowance for more frequent meets. When she offered me her proposition, she joked that she was doing it so that I could keep my child well fed. I told her that I will be seeing her as much as I can. As of right now we have no formal plans for our next meeting.

Expenses: $200 allowance; $80 in dating costs ($75 for hotel, $5 coffee): Total expense $280 for a trip to the FC.

CONCLUSIONS: Its been an amazing month. I wish the bowl had existed in all its glory when I was a younger man. Lucky for me, I'm young enough where I hope to have many years ahead. Although at this rate, I might not. Not sure how I'm going to manage to pull this off. This month has been manageable because the SO has been out of town taking care of things for her aunt. I suspect one or two SBs will have to drop from my rotation or at the very least, I'll need to meet up with them only enough to ensure that ties are maintained.

I went over my planned budget of $1000 a month by over 50%. Made a few mistakes by booking hotels that were too expensive, and ordered meals for myself, that in retrospect I could have done without (next time I'll stick with a burger or a salad). I could have trimmed my overage by about 25% if I had been smarter about things.

Also, to put things in perspective, I probably sent out about 250 messages this month (short, clever notes that incorporate something from the girl's profile in order to trigger a laugh and a response -almost always sent from my phone while I'm on the other "bowl," so that I can maximize my time and multitask). Of those 250 about 25 of them generated responses. Of those 25, about 8 turned into a M&G. Of the 8 M&Gs I had this month the 5 above resulted in trips to the FC. The other 3 M&G's were disappointing. One was with a girl who had a profile picture of herself that was about 5 years and 25 lbs ago. No surprise that she is the same one that insisted on meeting for dinner rather than just drinks / coffee at first. I made a $40 mistake agreeing to that. The other two M&G's were with girls who had unrealistic expectationsaboutwhat they would needfora trip to theFC. I declined them both politely, but let them know that if they are ever looking to spend time with a nice guy, they should get in touch with me.

Misc expenses: $50 online membership; $10 for 2 coffee M&G's; $40 for 1 dinner M&G (which I've learned not to do again).

There are also a few pots that have exchanged one or two messages with me. I've decided to keep them in play, but will not push a M&G unless they request it. In order to trim back costs, I'll be letting my SA premium membership lapse. I've got plenty to keep me busy for now, and frankly that $50 for the membership could be better spent elsewhere. Once I get into a better rhythm, and figure out which SBs will be sticking around, I expect to stay within budget.

I think JeezLizzard; FredMoore, and HWG really hit it on the head with their last few posts. The bowl is a lot of work, takes a lot of time, can be exhausting, but can be very rewarding. There are so many different ladies, with so many different agendas, that it adds for significant variability in what they are each looking for. For example, out of the 5 SBs that I've taken to the FC, 2 seem like they are more interested in a "discrete dating" relationship that involves nice dinners, going out to nice places, etc. The remaining three are not necessarily UTR, since there is no clock watching (I'm the one that has to disengage because of my time constraints) and they seem to genuinely crave my company (although I'm also not deluding myself. If it wasn't for the allowance, they would not be spending the afternoon in the FC with me). Between SB 1 & 2, I think SB1 wouldn't care about the allowance though if I started to give her the impression that there is a possibility for a real future / relationship. The other day, I came across a profile of a lady who indicated that she's looking for someone who will father a child for her. And that she didn't care if the man was involved in that child's life or not. So again, there are so many different people with so many different agendas out there. But I guess that's why this is so much fun.

Also, I agree that it seems like the SD / SB thing is starting to become mainstream enough where "normal" girls are taking the plunge. And it also appears that there are so many jerks out there, that they make a nice guy like me look like a gem. Also, before anyone asks, I play in the mid-atlantic region. If you want details on my age send me a pm. Happy to post location to help others get a handle on market rates...god knows I would have taken a nosebleed early without the wisdom from this forum. For more personal details, seniors can pm me. I'd prefer not sharing too much personal info due to my career. Total expenses for the month work out to about $300 per visit to the FC. Oddly enough, that's exactly the cost per meet that was my sweet spot when I was mongering. Only I don't have to worry about the clock, and have gotten some really nice meals and stays at a few decent hotels along the way.

Will keep the forum posted on my adventures. Good luck to everyone in the bowl.

[RubberyMan]

The industry rate you quoted is girls alreadyy in the Industry with experience. For a fresh face it would be between 300 and 500. Depending on what she does in the shoot. Until a girl gets some exposure and a good reputation, she is not pulling in a grand per. There is just too many girls trying to get into the business.

The same is true for hookers and strippers. People talk about the big money they earn, and in some cases it is true. But for the beginners, and those in second or third tier establishments, the earnings they actually take home in the hand are often quite meager. Often girls working these places brag up their earnings, but are often broke. Hmmm.

This is the reason why many of these women are on SB sites. On a slow night at the agency, they might not earn much at all, and even a lowball offer from someone on such a site might be worth it for them.

[HollywoodGuy]

Your offer was $?

Wow. Around my area (mainly because I think the POT pool is so small), she'd be asking 5 x that.

I offer every girl a $. Take it or leave it. If and when they prove themselves to be deserving of my attention then they could end up with a lot more. And many have.

A girl looking for $$$ or more isn't looking for anything more than a one nite stand. Because at that price you can have any girl you want and they know it (or should). At a $ there has to be something more going on. And it's that something more that gets my interest.

[Almighty]

I basically am. But this one replied with her phone # after sending her my $ offer.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index...from=mail_list

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page...ry&mid=2593068

I haven't even txted her back yet and she is a long way from me. But if she has her own place it might be doable. Still undecided. And I am always leery of any girl that's been on the site as long as she has. Too much blood under the bridge as my friend used to say.

Remember guys, there is a lot of competition out there. Some girls know it and others dont, but dont be too quick on the draw if they want more than your budget allows.

Your offer was $?

Wow. Around my area (mainly because I think the POT pool is so small), she'd be asking 5 x that.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hollywood my brother, stick with your early 20 babies.

I basically am. But this one replied with her phone # after sending her my $ offer.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index...from=mail_list

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page...ry&mid=2593068

I haven't even txted her back yet and she is a long way from me. But if she has her own place it might be doable. Still undecided. And I am always leery of any girl that's been on the site as long as she has. Too much blood under the bridge as my friend used to say.

Remember guys, there is a lot of competition out there. Some girls know it and others dont, but dont be too quick on the draw if they want more than your budget allows.

[FredMoore]

So I have done it all, from rentals to GFs, and I have found that the greatest success is gotten as a freely available "single" guy. A married guy under "the eye" of his SO can not have great success for very long.

IMHO the requirements for success are:

1) free availability: you are single or if married out of town working, or in a huge metropolitan area so that you can meet the Pot, take her on a date or adventure, and sell her on the benefits of being a sex for hire girl without making her feel like it.

2) financial stability: with a war chest to date these girls and consummate the deal.

Currently I cannot date so I have to line up an UTR who doesn't know she is one yet. Before my discovery I dated out of town and spent nights with my babies after wining and dining them. It was the best way.

To wit, I have SB#1.(all Pots are 19 to 23)

40+ yr old hottie I am back and forth with. We have had 2 dates and will find out soon if we will have a third. The older girls are harder to please and if they have any experience you actually need more game. Hollywood my brother, stick with your early 20 babies.

Pot #1.

AA 9/9 looks like she is off Hollywoods page. She is down with travelling to see me but I won't count on her til the deed is done. I hit her up front with bareback since I am not going to waste my time rolling on a baggie and leaving frustrated.

Pot # 2.

Earlier contact who went dark. She is a 7. 5/8 and Recontacted me and might agree to see me. These are skitzy creatures Her 1st experience was "a disaster" No surprise there.

Pot #3.

8/8 earlier contact who agreed to see me when she is back from vacay. We'll see.

And Pot #4

a 9/9 who came up with a car excuse so missed the M&G. Face book sleuthing shows her to be on the mend from hard times . Older women and couples (?family) are saying soothing things like "they are proud of her" for getting her life on track . LOL If they only knew how she was doing it . She is beautiful but has druggy eyes ,so maybe she is using .

[HollywoodGuy]

Just went on POF. And saw a few messages from my "tomboy princess".

Me last nite.

ME: You're so hot... i would bang the living shit out of you.

ME: Had to give this site a try. Love you. Xoxo.

Her this morning.

HER: LOL. I love you tooo.

HER: I was about to say you already bang the living shit out of me.

HER: Babe can you believe I have 500 unread messages on here LOL.

HER: But it's sexy to think of you as a stranger.

HER: So can we pretend?

I love these girls.

[HollywoodGuy]

We all live and learn. And we mostly learn by making mistakes.
Regrets. I've had a few (I can hear Frank in the background now).

I'm starting the new year out with four regulars. So the pressure is sort of off at the moment to find someone new. Which doesn't mean I am going to stop looking. I am just going to try to stick close to my demographic. 18 to 24 AA and mixed spinners. I wish I was a trust fund baby. I wish I could dream up the next twitter. I wish I could do whatever I wanted. I wish, I wish, I wish.

But sugaring is very similar to work. You got to put in the hours, make investments and be patient. Last year I went to the FC 60 times in the first 60 days. Not this year. I mostly did that because I was looking for a replacement for my ATF. My only regret with her is that she wasn't the girl I hoped she would be. She looked so good on the outside. She just wasn't what I wanted on the inside.

So at the moment I have these four deserving girls, but no one I call my girlfriend, and I still miss that. Tonite I will escape at the Y with my 6 foot tall "tomboy princess". I saw her profile on POF a couple of days ago and she sent me a message through there last nite. I haven't talked to her since yesterday but she's chill and its no big deal.

[JZLizard]

I've seen plenty of girls I knew from "real life" on SA, but usually these are more like very casual acquaintances. Lots of Hooters and Twin Peaks waitresses on there, so it's bound to happen. I messaged a couple, met one and had lots of fun. None of them got freaked out by my messages, but I just sent them my usual intro (no mention of knowing them). I think if somebody goes "hey remember me? We know each other!" or something along those lines, then they might get freaked out.

But someone you know from high school, who probably has mutual friends with you, yeah that has a much higher potential risk.

I can think of at least two girls I knew from "real life" (civy) dating that I later saw on SD sites. This does not include strippers or known-gold diggers that I wasn't surprised to see there, these were people who when I saw them it was a watershed moment for me to understand how widely the motives of these girls can range.

Both of the girls I mentioned above had masters degrees, one had a great career and owned a primary residence and two investment homes that she had purchased to rent out to others and was raising 2 kids on her own. The other one did not have a "great" career, more or less entry level but a future on her own nonetheless.

So why did they want a sugar daddy? I asked both of them directly after I saw them on the site, since I was maintaining an ongoing friendship with them. One of them laughed kind of embarrassingly and said she really didn't she was just creating a profile there out of curiosity. The other one (the one with the good career and high income) did not really try to hide the fact she wanted an SD, but what became clear to me is that her perception of what an SD would be is something that she will probably never find.

Her perception of an SD was on a completely different planet than what we discuss in this thread. In fact, if either one of these ladies ever saw this thread, I have a feeling they would probably remove their profiles from the SD scene and never go back because they would be horrified.

I'm only mentioning this because based on my own experience, this thread only touches on one small portion of the SD / SB scene, and each of our perceptions are biased to some degree by what we find in the cities we work in.

So, if we do see someone we know from "real life" on an SD site, I think it's wise to approach the situation with a bit of forethought before we stick our necks out and make an offer. She might be more like the cases I discussed above than the quick-bucks-for-fucks girls that are more commonly discussed here.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Well, I do read all of the articles. Almost daily. Felt like bell curve. And not much of luck in past SA membership purchase. Wasted significant time in M&Gs and not much luck. ! Well, I admit I had learned the game, it worked in past for me. Now, it's time to take a break. This is like investment. Of time and commitment. You need to be on top of the game. It is almost like you have to hit sb, followup in few days or else, you lose. Either way. I wish, I could be HW but I can't even imagine his skills in the game. I had multiple M&G, most are new or just shopping around to find a gold mine. I think may-June is best time. Before summer break.

Will be visiting this forum and reading all your's success stories in jealous.

Happy new Year.