"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[RubberyMan]

The industry rate you quoted is girls alreadyy in the Industry with experience. For a fresh face it would be between 300 and 500. Depending on what she does in the shoot. Until a girl gets some exposure and a good reputation, she is not pulling in a grand per. There is just too many girls trying to get into the business.

The same is true for hookers and strippers. People talk about the big money they earn, and in some cases it is true. But for the beginners, and those in second or third tier establishments, the earnings they actually take home in the hand are often quite meager. Often girls working these places brag up their earnings, but are often broke. Hmmm.

This is the reason why many of these women are on SB sites. On a slow night at the agency, they might not earn much at all, and even a lowball offer from someone on such a site might be worth it for them.

[HollywoodGuy]

Your offer was $?

Wow. Around my area (mainly because I think the POT pool is so small), she'd be asking 5 x that.

I offer every girl a $. Take it or leave it. If and when they prove themselves to be deserving of my attention then they could end up with a lot more. And many have.

A girl looking for $$$ or more isn't looking for anything more than a one nite stand. Because at that price you can have any girl you want and they know it (or should). At a $ there has to be something more going on. And it's that something more that gets my interest.

[Almighty]

I basically am. But this one replied with her phone # after sending her my $ offer.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index...from=mail_list

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page...ry&mid=2593068

I haven't even txted her back yet and she is a long way from me. But if she has her own place it might be doable. Still undecided. And I am always leery of any girl that's been on the site as long as she has. Too much blood under the bridge as my friend used to say.

Remember guys, there is a lot of competition out there. Some girls know it and others dont, but dont be too quick on the draw if they want more than your budget allows.

Your offer was $?

Wow. Around my area (mainly because I think the POT pool is so small), she'd be asking 5 x that.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hollywood my brother, stick with your early 20 babies.

I basically am. But this one replied with her phone # after sending her my $ offer.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index...from=mail_list

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page...ry&mid=2593068

I haven't even txted her back yet and she is a long way from me. But if she has her own place it might be doable. Still undecided. And I am always leery of any girl that's been on the site as long as she has. Too much blood under the bridge as my friend used to say.

Remember guys, there is a lot of competition out there. Some girls know it and others dont, but dont be too quick on the draw if they want more than your budget allows.

[FredMoore]

So I have done it all, from rentals to GFs, and I have found that the greatest success is gotten as a freely available "single" guy. A married guy under "the eye" of his SO can not have great success for very long.

IMHO the requirements for success are:

1) free availability: you are single or if married out of town working, or in a huge metropolitan area so that you can meet the Pot, take her on a date or adventure, and sell her on the benefits of being a sex for hire girl without making her feel like it.

2) financial stability: with a war chest to date these girls and consummate the deal.

Currently I cannot date so I have to line up an UTR who doesn't know she is one yet. Before my discovery I dated out of town and spent nights with my babies after wining and dining them. It was the best way.

To wit, I have SB#1.(all Pots are 19 to 23)

40+ yr old hottie I am back and forth with. We have had 2 dates and will find out soon if we will have a third. The older girls are harder to please and if they have any experience you actually need more game. Hollywood my brother, stick with your early 20 babies.

Pot #1.

AA 9/9 looks like she is off Hollywoods page. She is down with travelling to see me but I won't count on her til the deed is done. I hit her up front with bareback since I am not going to waste my time rolling on a baggie and leaving frustrated.

Pot # 2.

Earlier contact who went dark. She is a 7. 5/8 and Recontacted me and might agree to see me. These are skitzy creatures Her 1st experience was "a disaster" No surprise there.

Pot #3.

8/8 earlier contact who agreed to see me when she is back from vacay. We'll see.

And Pot #4

a 9/9 who came up with a car excuse so missed the M&G. Face book sleuthing shows her to be on the mend from hard times . Older women and couples (?family) are saying soothing things like "they are proud of her" for getting her life on track . LOL If they only knew how she was doing it . She is beautiful but has druggy eyes ,so maybe she is using .

[HollywoodGuy]

Just went on POF. And saw a few messages from my "tomboy princess".

Me last nite.

ME: You're so hot... i would bang the living shit out of you.

ME: Had to give this site a try. Love you. Xoxo.

Her this morning.

HER: LOL. I love you tooo.

HER: I was about to say you already bang the living shit out of me.

HER: Babe can you believe I have 500 unread messages on here LOL.

HER: But it's sexy to think of you as a stranger.

HER: So can we pretend?

I love these girls.

[HollywoodGuy]

We all live and learn. And we mostly learn by making mistakes.
Regrets. I've had a few (I can hear Frank in the background now).

I'm starting the new year out with four regulars. So the pressure is sort of off at the moment to find someone new. Which doesn't mean I am going to stop looking. I am just going to try to stick close to my demographic. 18 to 24 AA and mixed spinners. I wish I was a trust fund baby. I wish I could dream up the next twitter. I wish I could do whatever I wanted. I wish, I wish, I wish.

But sugaring is very similar to work. You got to put in the hours, make investments and be patient. Last year I went to the FC 60 times in the first 60 days. Not this year. I mostly did that because I was looking for a replacement for my ATF. My only regret with her is that she wasn't the girl I hoped she would be. She looked so good on the outside. She just wasn't what I wanted on the inside.

So at the moment I have these four deserving girls, but no one I call my girlfriend, and I still miss that. Tonite I will escape at the Y with my 6 foot tall "tomboy princess". I saw her profile on POF a couple of days ago and she sent me a message through there last nite. I haven't talked to her since yesterday but she's chill and its no big deal.

[JZLizard]

I've seen plenty of girls I knew from "real life" on SA, but usually these are more like very casual acquaintances. Lots of Hooters and Twin Peaks waitresses on there, so it's bound to happen. I messaged a couple, met one and had lots of fun. None of them got freaked out by my messages, but I just sent them my usual intro (no mention of knowing them). I think if somebody goes "hey remember me? We know each other!" or something along those lines, then they might get freaked out.

But someone you know from high school, who probably has mutual friends with you, yeah that has a much higher potential risk.

I can think of at least two girls I knew from "real life" (civy) dating that I later saw on SD sites. This does not include strippers or known-gold diggers that I wasn't surprised to see there, these were people who when I saw them it was a watershed moment for me to understand how widely the motives of these girls can range.

Both of the girls I mentioned above had masters degrees, one had a great career and owned a primary residence and two investment homes that she had purchased to rent out to others and was raising 2 kids on her own. The other one did not have a "great" career, more or less entry level but a future on her own nonetheless.

So why did they want a sugar daddy? I asked both of them directly after I saw them on the site, since I was maintaining an ongoing friendship with them. One of them laughed kind of embarrassingly and said she really didn't she was just creating a profile there out of curiosity. The other one (the one with the good career and high income) did not really try to hide the fact she wanted an SD, but what became clear to me is that her perception of what an SD would be is something that she will probably never find.

Her perception of an SD was on a completely different planet than what we discuss in this thread. In fact, if either one of these ladies ever saw this thread, I have a feeling they would probably remove their profiles from the SD scene and never go back because they would be horrified.

I'm only mentioning this because based on my own experience, this thread only touches on one small portion of the SD / SB scene, and each of our perceptions are biased to some degree by what we find in the cities we work in.

So, if we do see someone we know from "real life" on an SD site, I think it's wise to approach the situation with a bit of forethought before we stick our necks out and make an offer. She might be more like the cases I discussed above than the quick-bucks-for-fucks girls that are more commonly discussed here.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Well, I do read all of the articles. Almost daily. Felt like bell curve. And not much of luck in past SA membership purchase. Wasted significant time in M&Gs and not much luck. ! Well, I admit I had learned the game, it worked in past for me. Now, it's time to take a break. This is like investment. Of time and commitment. You need to be on top of the game. It is almost like you have to hit sb, followup in few days or else, you lose. Either way. I wish, I could be HW but I can't even imagine his skills in the game. I had multiple M&G, most are new or just shopping around to find a gold mine. I think may-June is best time. Before summer break.

Will be visiting this forum and reading all your's success stories in jealous.

Happy new Year.

[Orbits]

So I'm relatively young myself but have hooked up a couple time on the sugar daddy sites, I have been using sd4 me but recently tried SA and man the girls are a world of difference, much better looking. I haven't upgraded my profile and messaged anyone, just started checking out profiles, and I happened to stumble upon a girl I went to high school with. I've always wanted to bang this girl since I can remember so I got a little excited when I saw her.

This girl has always been the rave and party type, always going out, traveling, going on cruises, etc, while only being a waitress so it's not a shock for me to see her on there.

My question is, should I even attempt to message her? My thoughts were that she would probably get freaked and delete her profile or if we did arrange anything it could come back to bite me in the ass somehow if we broke it off. Thoughts?

I've seen plenty of girls I knew from "real life" on SA, but usually these are more like very casual acquaintances. Lots of Hooters and Twin Peaks waitresses on there, so it's bound to happen. I messaged a couple, met one and had lots of fun. None of them got freaked out by my messages, but I just sent them my usual intro (no mention of knowing them). I think if somebody goes "hey remember me? We know each other!" or something along those lines, then they might get freaked out.

But someone you know from high school, who probably has mutual friends with you, yeah that has a much higher potential risk.

[JZLizard]

POF looks to be a total waste of my time. Not recommended. As they only allow for catfishing. But they have lots and lots of trannies, pros and big girls to choose from.

I'm guessing the high rate of trannies or pros is probably specific to your geographic area. I honestly never tried finding SBs on POF , but I sure got some excellent free pussy there before. I don't think I've had an account there in at least 4 years though, so who knows. Anything "free" is going to get trampled on by riff-raff one way or another.

Another possibility you might try is Match.com. I used to encounter SBs on that site back in the day when dedicated SB sites didn't even exist. You can recognize the POTs by the age range they specify in their dating criteria. If you see anyone under 30 who has said she will date someone up to age 70, there's your POT. The income levels they specify they are looking for are also a very good clue.

Now when I say POTS I mean potential true SBs, if that is in fact what you want. Match is not a good mechanism for hooking up with by-the-hour UTR girls, at least not in the zones I hunted. L. A. Is notorious for hookers and a high dude count, so that may be the results you get in southern California but it was not what I found.

Sometimes you get these foreigners (Latina, Asian, East Europe etc) who either just graduated or soon will, or foreigners staying with family who are here on a temp visa and have some serious motivation to get a green card. The free sex you can get in these situations can be incredible. The psychological pressure created in the situation where there is a timer ticking and she only has a certain amount of time to prove to you that she's the best fuck on the planet creates sexual sessions that can only be dreamed about in the SD world.

I think once folks have gotten used to quick hookups from the SD sites, they are somewhat spoiled when they return to actual dating -- at least it has that effect on me. Real dating, whether with true SBs or girls truly looking for someone they like to be around is NOT easy, NOT fast, and does not happen if pre-determined amounts of money are discussed.

In fact it can be a hell of a lot of work, but it can pay off in droves when you've got a hot young thing on your arm that is truly exclusive to you, and with you because she likes fucking and being around you as opposed to needing an ATM machine.

I got spoiled by SD sites too. But I think if I split up from my SO tomorrow, I would use SD sites to line up easy pussy for the times when I had no other option, and spend the rest of my efforts looking for free pussy on Match, POF, maybe even Tinder or some of the newer options (I don't even know what all the new options are these days honestly -- overcoming that learning curve would be my first challenge). The reason is that Match / POF et all can be a shitload of work up front, but once you strike gold it tends to pay off big. Lots of sex over a much longer period of time and mostly without paying for it. But in terms of fucking someone new every day -- no, its not a good option for that. There is no solution to that other than hookers.

[DavidTheSancho]

So I'm relatively young myself but have hooked up a couple time on the sugar daddy sites, I have been using sd4 me but recently tried SA and man the girls are a world of difference, much better looking. I haven't upgraded my profile and messaged anyone, just started checking out profiles, and I happened to stumble upon a girl I went to high school with. I've always wanted to bang this girl since I can remember so I got a little excited when I saw her.

This girl has always been the rave and party type, always going out, traveling, going on cruises, etc, while only being a waitress so it's not a shock for me to see her on there.

My question is, should I even attempt to message her? My thoughts were that she would probably get freaked and delete her profile or if we did arrange anything it could come back to bite me in the ass somehow if we broke it off. Thoughts?

[TacoLover23]

POF looks to be a total waste of my time. Not recommended. As they only allow for catfishing. But they have lots and lots of trannies, pros and big girls to choose from.

POF is crap. The messaging system is absurd no matter what you're looking for. I got frustrated and created a female account using some randy's pics just to get a woman's perspective and got about 30-40 emails in the first hour without any way to sort through anyone. Got the account deleted by POF the next morning LOL. It's great if you like trailer trash and severely overweight gals looking for attention. Just my 2 cents. .

[TacoLover23]

I've find myself using a technique that some of the more experienced bretheren have recommended on the forum. Basically, if the pot complains about the gift your willing to share with her, to simply let her know that you enjoyed your time with her, would very much like to see her, and that she should contact you if she has a change of mind / heart.

All markets are different, but if a sb is looking for a $1 k + a month allowance, there are very few men that can afford that kind of financial committment. This of course varies from market to market. Then if you take the number of women on these sites into account, you have to figure that even if there are a bunch of men with enough dispoable income to finance that kind of lifestyle, they will already have an sb.

Time, reality, and the number of true assholes in the world have a way of making a laid back, nice guy look very very attractive.

Point taken and great advice. Now that I'm hunting, I see some of these profiles and rants and laugh but it irks me that they don't know the value of a dollar or they are in fantasy-land. There are a few, true SBs with financial requirements that are just way out of and will never be in my league, but if they're well-written, to-the-point and the pics match (even if she is not my type) I get it and stay away. The ones complaining that have grievous spelling mistakes and / or horrible grammar and demanding a ton irk me. I almost want to reply 'A true SB would at least be smart enough to spell-check her profile. ' Thanks again for the advice. I'll calm my jets. And thanks to the other gents who also provided great advice and concurred. Just happened to pick this reply to respond to.

[IluvSmellyFish]

I was struck wondering about the security of IluvSmellyFish's wallet while he was in the shower.

When I said "I let them know I enjoyed my time with them. " I didn't mean to say that I would have that conversation after a trip to the FC. My general approach is to have that discussion at the M&G.

Also, IMHO, its a lot easier having the conversation about gifts and allowances in person rather than over text, e-mail, or through the site messaging. There's just too much that can be lost in translation. And you can't convey tone very well with the written word. I've found out the hard way, that writing something can often lead to confusion (this response to clarify my last post being case in point).

So yes, after receiving wisdom from the board, I like to be as direct as possible about expectations either at the end of the M&G but especially before we go to the FC. But I also like to be very flexible as well, and have found that some girls don't like to discuss allowances or gifts at all. Again, the wisdom of this forum has taught me that there are some girls that are very happy to be taken out on a very nice date, crave a certain type of experience, and then anything on top of that is just gravy for them. There are of course others that are essentially UTR types, but I'd hate to scare away a perfectly nice girl by texting her about expectations. Especially if she's timid. I've found that what works best for me is having the "expectations" discussion during M&G, since it lets me feel out a POT and tailor my game to her needs. It also, and as you mentioned, helps keep the SB I end up bringing back to the FC from doing something we'd both regret. Like compromising the security of my wallet while I'm asleep or in the shower.

Will post my adventures soon. Just need to find a good solid chunk of time.

Hope all are enjoying all the bowl has to offer!