"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

So what kind of budget is she on? Still trying to figure out the whole pricing thing. Feel free to pm me with the details if you wish.

I always start every girl out at $ a date. I know that's not a lot but its inevitable that if you stay with someone long enough its going to creep up. It usually creeps up to $1.2 very quickly. My average for all of 2014 came to $.5 per date (which includes the cash, all motel stays, dinners, gifts, etc.). And I averaged 23 dates a month this year. Once a girl becomes more like a GF. Meaning I have had at least 50 dates, the extras are going to kick in. I mean if you are seeing someone for months and they have an unexpected problem, it's going to be your problem if you don't fix it. If you don"t want that, then just keep finding new girls. I usually have one or maybe two ATF's.

I had to breakup with my last ATF due to too many problems and not enough ROI. I don't always have the prettiest girls but they all have rockin bodies. Most girls that would rate themselves (face / body) as a 9/7 are going to cost more than a girl that's a 7/9. But for me personally I need a hot body more than a pretty face. To end up as a GF/ATF they need to be rated additionally (personality / skills) at a 9/9 or better. I am in this for the best sex I can get, not to impress anyone with having the cutest girl. I never respond to girls that talk about "arm candy" in their profile.

I rate my "tomboy princess" as a 7/9/10/10. But like any rating system its all subjective. I like black girls but even a very pretty one might be a 6 to someone else. I get the hardest with spinners or petite girls. Maybe you like a juicy booty and some D cups. You might think my girls are too skinny or anorexic. But they are all daddys girls in the FC, have good endurance, love to makeout, take direction, like to role play, etc. (or they are gone fast).

So as frugal as I want to be I know when I find a keeper the price is going to go up over time. But anything over $.5 is out of my league. So to answer your original question, she is at a straight $ a date after 15 dates. All dates are at my place so no motel bill, we mostly carryout chinese, so no big expense there, and she has an x to handle all the real life expenses.

I think one of the biggest factors is frequency. If you are only dating 4 to 8 times a month you can raise the bar (or at least I would). Get a prettier girl, spend $$ plus dinner and a gift. Live a little. In my area girls will be falling out of trees for those prices. Which might sound good, but I wanna be liked as well as banged correctly. And no girl is gonna bang the crap out of you (week after week) for a $ if she doesn't really like you.

If I wasn't interested in the BF/GF dynamic of sugar dating I would just search out the hottest pros that do HH's and don't clock watch.

[Almighty]

Not really doing any M&G's lately. I am chatting up a few girls but that's about it. Been spending most of my time with my "tomboy princess". All six feet tall of her. LOL. I never really was with a tall girl before (no one over 5'7"). In bed her height is not an issue. But walking around I still have to get used to it. So far after 2 months and 15 dates we are going strong and staying on budget.

She is basically a stay at home mom with an x that seems to cover the bills. We are still in the honeymoon phase and only hang out in the FC. My biggest fear in the bowl is keeping up the financing. Work is kinda flat right now so staying on budget is going to be all important going into the new year.

So what kind of budget is she on? Still trying to figure out the whole pricing thing. Feel free to pm me with the details if you wish.

[HollywoodGuy]

Not really doing any M&G's lately. I am chatting up a few girls but that's about it. Been spending most of my time with my "tomboy princess". All six feet tall of her. LOL. I never really was with a tall girl before (no one over 5'7"). In bed her height is not an issue. But walking around I still have to get used to it. So far after 2 months and 15 dates we are going strong and staying on budget.

She is basically a stay at home mom with an x that seems to cover the bills. We are still in the honeymoon phase and only hang out in the FC. My biggest fear in the bowl is keeping up the financing. Work is kinda flat right now so staying on budget is going to be all important going into the new year.

[Madaboutmax]

Merry Christmas to all!!

Thanks to all the contributors that make this such a great thread.

It has been a great year in the bowl. Many new college cuties have popped up in my area and several that went dormant during the semester that now have free time to play during their winter break. I've found several hotties that I had given up on, that have messaged me back and are now interested in meeting.

Let's hope for a great Holiday season!

[HollywoodGuy]

Met this one through a mutual acquaintance. Lots of talking and txting today.
She is officially on my radar. 20 5'7" about 115.

[FredMoore]

Here's to a spectacular year of endless pussy for all!

Nando.

[HollywoodGuy]

80% of the girls on the SD sites today and tomorrow (and every Friday night) will be UTR or Pro. Lets all look forward to a great new year. This thread is the definitive guide to sugar dating for the common man. Any rich guy can wave thousand dollar bills and get pussy.

Like the girl on the radio sings "I love the players and you love the game".

Sounds like an experienced SB to me.

[Piecake1234]

Signed up for a new site and I've got quite a few matches but I haven't engaged with any of them yet. What do you guys use as your introduction / starting line? I don't want to play games and would prefer to get to the point and see if they'd take $ or so.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Fredmoore pretty much summed it up, much more succinctly, with nomenclature to boot. Well done sir, and thank you for the lesson: the.

Nomencalure.

HYB (hot young baby) was coined earlier in the thread to represent these girls from 18 to 25 I also called them Nando 3's or the sportsters who are the college girls that you are naming HCB (hot college Babys) There can be a distinction between the two as I see it. But to recap my rating system:

[IluvSmellyFish]

Yeah. I agree, money plays a huge part for a lot of girls. I mean its the nature of the websites we are on. I also agree that money isn't the only factor. In my two short weeks in the bowl, I have met all types. Some seem truley seem interested in meeting different people and are generally attracted to older men. It doesn't hurt that guys their age can't afford to take them out to dinner at a $50 a plate restaurant. At least two of my pots seem generally interested in enjoying experiences at nice places, with an attractive older guy who treats them well, isn't talking about sports and occasionally listens to them.

Some of the girls I've met are of the college variety that are looking for attention. They remind me of the girls that used to hang out at the fraternities looking for attention. Again, rather than giving it away for free, why not get wines and dined and some spending cash from a guy who is reasonably nice and non creepy. Makes more sense than giving it away for free on tinder right?

Most that I've met so far just seem strapped for cash, and the forum was right, there are plenty of UTR's out there. I am still meeting up with the POT from my last post that the board advised is probably a UTR, but still the vine is different with her. Will update the board afterwards. I did make contact with two other confirmed UTR's. One from Richmond and another from the Vienna area. The gifts they were requesting were in line with what one would donate for time with a mid level escort. And since there is no way for me to verify how much fun I would have with them, I politely declined, indicated that our needs seemed to be out of sync, but that if either of our needs changed in the future that we should make contact with the other. Both were attractive ladies in the mid 20 early 30's, but with the verifiable and amazing talent in my area, if I am looking for a sure thing, I'd prefer making a call to Jennifer to see one of her models or to the south to set up an appointment with a sexy companion.

Tonight I have a m&g with the pot from Richmond who is flaky, but desperately wants to move to the DC metro area.

We'll see how that goes. For seniors looking to make contact with either of the other ladies who seem to be UTRs, send me a pm. I'd prefer not blowing up their spot by posting the info publicly and besides, half the fun of the bowl is the hunt. Albeit, getting a UTR to the FC is a bit like shooting deer in a fenced in game preserve where the animals ate stocked for you.

Happy holidays Gents!

[FredMoore]

Nando 1 : Desperately poor high level of drama girls of all ages. These are the ones who call for more money because they are getting (fill in the tragedy here) tomorrow. Often these girls have kids, no baby daddy (BD) support a hostile or dead beat BD, and are frequently drug / alcohol addicted and can have police records.

Nando 2: Escorts of all ages who are prospecting for biz on the sugar sites. They have few barriers to entry and frequently take all comers. Most screen rigorously . It is important to identify them as escorts so your mind set can be right. You can I.d. them 3 ways 1) they call you hun or babe before actually meeting you 2) they charge by the hour and will be upfront with their rate and breakdown services , and 3) they will provide a room for your meet (since they already have one booked).

Nando 3 : Sugar Baby. A true baby of all ages who wants a regular SD to pay them an allowance in return for fun times together. Often these girls are younger and looking for tuition help, car and house payments, mentoring for a career advancement, thrilling trips to exotic places. They rarely screen for identity as they are naive and have not been hurt yet by an unscrupulous Daddy

Nando 4 : MILFs. These are older women who are looking for fun and support. I would define older as over 30 and often have children .

Divisions blur and blend but I would modify Nando 3 into 3 subdivisions
Nando 3 : SB
a) pure SB (one SD and an exclusive arrangement ) This would include a Mistress : An SB with an emotional connection to her Daddy ,usually exclusive .
b) UTR : Sugar Baby who has added more than 1 Daddy to her dance card ,arbitrarily limited to 3 SDs. She does not have the escort mentality where she accepts most clients deemed to be safe for her .
c) Escort : see Nando 2

[FredMoore]

SB #1.

Hot MILF date # 2 on the books. This will tell the tale about an ongoing relationship.

Pot #1 (again).

19 yr old 8/8/8/? Working for several months but hung in. She is one of those several of us are pursuing. She is bi-sexual, has a GF now and was not into sex. Well now she has agreed to the FC. Maybe somebody popped her sugar cherry and she likes the attention and money? She agrees to meet after the Holidays. If this is consumated it will prove that persistence and gentlemanly behavior works. Then again, I am not betting the ranch.

UTR #1.

Sadly has gone silent. She lives 2 hours away and is too far to service properly. She is either busy with regulars or has gone civilian.

[FredMoore]

I have been seeing my 23 yo regularly. Pics are in this thread. Looks like she is starting to get "trained" as snooping her phone she is in dialog with another daddy offering $$ and she is holding out for more. Initially she would not agree we had an arrangement. Our agreement is $ the first night and $0. 5 any additional nites of the week and she asks for as many as she can get. We stay in a nice hotel and typically get something to eat. But shows it's not all about the $ with these gals.

This goes to show that they ARE mostly about the money. Multiple factors abound but in the end she is looking for more Monay and ready to sign on another DAddy for a bigger ticket. She is apparently thrilled with you and your --er --deal, but finds it is too easy for a hot young girl to get laid for $$ Your donation is at the bottom of the barrel and she needs more. If you want exclusivity you should have the talk and be prepared to pony up more Dough. Just think of all of us Mongers hitting on the same girls. Each girl can go out with 10 to 20 guys easily for $ to $$$ each FC date and all the free dinners they can stomach. They have to reconcile their "status"in their own mind --are they a true SB seeing one Daddy in a relationship of sorts? Or are they an UTR balancing several acts? Or are they a full on Ho? There is a fine line between the categories nest ce Pas?

[Graham111]

As has often been repeated in this thread, so long as you act like a gentlemen and are reasonably attractive, competition really isn't the biggest issue. After you've gotten their attention it becomes a matter of game, sugar expectations, and whether you're dealing with a bad pick (GPS, flake, Nando-1, poor personality match, etc).

I have been seeing my 23 yo regularly. Pics are in this thread. Looks like she is starting to get "trained" as snooping her phone she is in dialog with another daddy offering $$ and she is holding out for more. Initially she would not agree we had an arrangement. Our agreement is $ the first night and $0. 5 any additional nites of the week and she asks for as many as she can get. We stay in a nice hotel and typically get something to eat. But shows it's not all about the $ with these gals.

[Walruscl]

Can't figure out why I didn't start playing in it sooner. I guess in todays world most guys won't even treat a pretty young girl to dinner, and there are so many crazy SDs out there with odd fetishes, that a decent looking guy who has a general enjoyment of sex, is like a gold mine for most of these girls.

As has often been repeated in this thread, so long as you act like a gentlemen and are reasonably attractive, competition really isn't the biggest issue. After you've gotten their attention it becomes a matter of game, sugar expectations, and whether you're dealing with a bad pick (GPS, flake, Nando-1, poor personality match, etc).