"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

I usually have about a 10 date limit where I am trying to decide if it can go any further. This year 5 new girls made it that far and none made it further. Three are totally gone and two are left. Here is one of them. The "tomboy princess" (pictured). She is at date 11 coming up (maybe tonite). In bed we are awesome. She is a true spinner. 5'11" and 118. But I am still pining a little for my x. Got to find someone to make me forget about her.

We are all (or mostly all) on this thread for a reason. And that reason is that even a super hot UTR girl is still just a fuck. If you are single like me (or in a not so satisfying SO relationship) you want all the great GF stuff that sometimes goes along with having an exclusive SB. I dont really care about being in a forever relationship. But I love being in the honeymoon phase. When that's over I'm gone or planning my escape. I have been pretty lucky in lust though never too lucky in love. At least I will have some company over the holidays.

[JZLizard]

Sometimes this is a patient man's game, which is why I like using the fly fishing ananolgy that I'm sure some of you are sick of hearing!

Just like various fishing holes, results and observations can vary greatly between locations. During my last SD venture, I targeted about 8-10 different metropolitan areas. Did not get to visit them all, but learned a lot about how much difference geography can make. In some areas the girls were in and out fast. Sometimes they appeared, then were out, but contacted me weeks later following up to my initial mail. In some cases I saw girls who were still available (confirmed via message) that I had seen a year earlier on the sites, with only minor updates to their profile (including pics that were at least a year old, making me wonder how current the pics were). Some cities just have higher turnover than others.

[HollywoodGuy]

Sometimes this is a patient man's game, which is why I like using the fly fishing ananolgy that I'm sure some of you are sick of hearing!
I think it was my post that Al was referencing, and as I said I always jump on the new babies with my standard / customized message, but if they don't respond, I don't count them out. I wait a week for them to get deluged by douchebags, then follow up. I have found that they may stop checking their profiles daily, but they usually don't delete them, so a notice of my message goes to their email.
I'm like a breath of fresh air with my courtly manners and yada yada, and once I get them to an m&g, it is usually a matter of mere logistics to get them to the FC, if the attraction is there.
Fluidity is the name of the game, my friends. There is no magic formula that works for all babies, but there are certainly approaches that will get the dialogue started. It then falls back on us to bring the game.
I admit that there are always the few who climb out of the Bowl before I can follow up, but as I've said before, you can't fuck them all, as much as I would like to. It's not foolproof, but if you want a Sure Thing, buy a blow up doll or call a hooker.

Peace,

Scott.

It seems that lately the bowl is overflowing with cute, new and most importantly willing girls. I think part of my personal success is that I really stick close to my demographic. My attraction is real and they can sense that. At my age I am just not going to get it up for someone if the chemistry isn't there. I guess I am not too big on the charm and the wining and dining. I'd rather get them right at their hour of need and uncertainty. Lay my cards on the table and let them make an informed decision.

But tactics and time frames can vary. Today a girl I messaged a month ago (then deleted on the 7th day as is my m.o.) messaged me back today. A 10/10 5'3" (pictured below). So I am sure she was inundated with riff raff or has GPS. She said we needed to talk. That usually means up sell. As I am very clear on my terms. But I have really gotten over the "omg I let that one get away" syndrome. There are just too many to ever meet even a quarter of the ones that agree to my rates.

I have never yet been in a long term relationship (meaning 10 or more dates lol) where SB creep doesn't start to settle in. Or even jump off the scale. So I have to start low just to stay in the game.

[F Scott]

That works I am sure, except well over 50% of the hot NP's bail after 1 to 3 days, so if you don't get in on day one you"re out.

Sometimes this is a patient man's game, which is why I like using the fly fishing ananolgy that I'm sure some of you are sick of hearing!
I think it was my post that Al was referencing, and as I said I always jump on the new babies with my standard / customized message, but if they don't respond, I don't count them out. I wait a week for them to get deluged by douchebags, then follow up. I have found that they may stop checking their profiles daily, but they usually don't delete them, so a notice of my message goes to their email.
I'm like a breath of fresh air with my courtly manners and yada yada, and once I get them to an m&g, it is usually a matter of mere logistics to get them to the FC, if the attraction is there.
Fluidity is the name of the game, my friends. There is no magic formula that works for all babies, but there are certainly approaches that will get the dialogue started. It then falls back on us to bring the game.
I admit that there are always the few who climb out of the Bowl before I can follow up, but as I've said before, you can't fuck them all, as much as I would like to. It's not foolproof, but if you want a Sure Thing, buy a blow up doll or call a hooker.

Peace,

Scott.

[HollywoodGuy]

And someone mentioned in the thread below (no idea where, I've read so much), about how you can let the idiots jump on them imediately, and then when you swoop in a week later and be normal, it's home run derby. Both sb1 and 2 have been that way.

That works I am sure, except well over 50% of the hot NP's bail after 1 to 3 days, so if you don't get in on day one you"re out.

[ThePunter7216]

Might I offer a suggestion for those concerned with their likeness getting caught out in the wild. As a working professional, I keep a profile up on LinkedIn and other professional networking sites that are open to the public. Why not just use those?

In 3 words: Google Image Search.

If you are sending out pics or otherwise making them available, you want to use pics that you know are not anywhere on the internet linked to the real you. Otherwise it's just too easy to put 2+2 together.

[Almighty]

This thread is amazing.

A dude in another state / city forum said to take a look at this thread. Wow.

So, after about a week of being a paid member of SA, I'll give a little newbie report.

First, about about a year ago, before I found SA, on fling dot com, I bumped into an ex stripper. We met, dinner, and back to the FC for an all night session. Damage was 1. 5. I've been seeing her about once every other month or so. She's a total freak in the sack, and might be the best 1. 5 investment I've ever made. She stays all night, and always leaves me with a smile in the morning. I guess I was somewhat a SD before I even knew about SA.

So, last week, I paid for SA and started in. I texted with SB1, and did the M&G, and right back to the FC, after about an hour. 35, blonde. Would do the rate thing but I haven't figured out the categories yet. We watched some tv, and then hammered away. Did her three times in the course of two hours. She's a bigger girl, not grossly or anything, just big. She's 6 feet tall, about 3 inches taller than me. We hit it off so well, seriously, that it was no charge. She then got home and texted me her sob story and how I was only the 2nd guy she met (and first to get her to the FC). Evidently guy 1 took her to Wendy's and was a total loser, so she ate and bailed. And how she's got this business that's about to go under, etc. I think she might be a bit of a clinger, and she's got 4 kids. She's educated, got a decent degree, I think comes from a decent home and stuff, but, I dunno. I could see an every other weekend thing with her (her ex has the kids every other wknd), but can't see anything "serious. ".

SB2, I met and we had dinner, and back to the FC, and that's where she broached the subject of price. Being a noob, I offered 1. 5 and she said ok (should have gone 1, and seen if she'd take it), but she could only stay a couple hours. I like them to stay all night and I'll do them 3-5 times. Nothing better than wake up sex or BJ before going off to work. Nailed her 2 x in the 3 or so hours, and got a great massage. I've decided to play dumb and pretend any that I meet for the first time, it's also my first time ever. Let them do the talking. But from now on, I'm going to go with. 75 and work up, for an all nighter. SB2 will make a return trip and said she'd plan to stay all night. Supposedly tried to stay all night this time but nobody was home to let her dog out, couldn't get her brother or something on the cell to tell him so she left about 3 hours at the FC.

Have several pots online too. A couple of college girls / young 20's, and a 45 yr old "MILF who's not happy at home. " Had a real hot 23 year old, 5'3, supposedly 93 lbs, real spinner type, her pics were slick (and once I managed to get her email address, I managed to fb stalk her and her pics are legit). SHe was going to have to drive about an hour to my place, said she had done this one other time and now that guy was out of commission and he paid her 1000 a night. Ehhhh, GPS. I said no way to that, and she came down to 500, for an all nighter, and I held firm. She came down to 400, and I then said, "well, this is my first time, I must not know how to do this, because I was thinking along the lines of like 100 plus 50 for gas. " She went silent. Plus, she had stated if she came to stay all night, her "uncle" would be coming along to make sure she was safe, and would need to crash at my pad too. Ehhhh, definitely not. I was willing to *maybe* do 200 on her (bc she was pretty hot for around here), but not any more than that. We'll see how far she gets asking those prices. Maybe she'll come back around. I'm guessing the 1000 story was bs.

And someone mentioned in the thread below (no idea where, I've read so much), about how you can let the idiots jump on them imediately, and then when you swoop in a week later and be normal, it's home run derby. Both sb1 and 2 have been that way. They had both been M&G with one other guy, who they just M&G, and bailed.

Got to love SA. Great thread here and tons of info, great job guys.

[JZLizard]

Might I offer a suggestion for those concerned with their likeness getting caught out in the wild. As a working professional, I keep a profile up on LinkedIn and other professional networking sites that are open to the public. Why not just use those?

Joe out!

I guess I don't understand the suggestion. When I say I don't want girls doing anything weird with my photos, I'm talking about things uploading my photo to "revenge" sites and badmouthing me, etc.

Crap like this: http://www.thedirty.com/category/dirty-business.

The more info I put online (linkedin, facebook whatever) the more opportunities they have to do it. Identity thieves love linkedin too.

[JoeBlowDC]

Might I offer a suggestion for those concerned with their likeness getting caught out in the wild. As a working professional, I keep a profile up on LinkedIn and other professional networking sites that are open to the public. Why not just use those?

Joe out!

[HollywoodGuy]

Your home that is. She is from Richmond but lives in L. A. Super spinner body with full D add ons. She is a very sweet UTR girl but YMMV. I guess she will be in Richmond for Christmas and New Years. But you didn't hear that from me. LOL.

For me she is a 7/9/7/7. Saw her tonite and a few times over the last couple years.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page...from=mail_list

[HollywoodGuy]

On "I do not have a boyfriend!

You: "so lets meet downtown at XYZ at 6 for dinner. I hope your BF does not work there. ".

She: "I do not have a boyfriend!

If your vivid imagination immediately and conveniently draws a mental picture of this pretty young thing starved for sex, well, hold your horses. As I recently realized, what they actually mean is that they do not have a steady or exclusive partner. The girl who is seeing a few of her male friends here and there, or even who has a guy she bangs five days a week out of seven (but they never agreed "to be exclusive") will tell you that she "does not have a boyfriend". And, in her mind, she honestly believes she does not.

On fast tracking.

This has been said before, and I completely agree. The shorter the time you let pass between the SA messaging, texting and M&G, the higher is the possibility you will safely deliver your apprehensive date into a FC. If they are not ready to M&G this week for whatever reason (and you are and you told them so), it may be best to move on to the next. However, I never had good luck going after brand new people. It looks like it is essential to let them discover for themselves what their expectations should be in your area. Yes, most of them understand that "a free car, a paid-off lease and a 15 K a month" is an unattainable goal, but many will start with this myth, divide it by 3 and think that is somehow "being reasonable". If you approach them with your 1. 5 or $$, they will think you are kidding. The sweet spot is when they no longer are chasing the guy with the Ferrari, but ready to settle for a handsome reasonable gent, fun to be with and a steady source of sugar. If that is when you happen to knock on their door, you are in (literally).

I never ask any girl really anything about anything. I will ask what is the oldest guy they have dated. That can start some interesting convo and give a pretty good insight into a lot of things. I never ask for their pics or pic codes either. I just ask for an email so I can send mine. Then in that email I ask for a couple of theirs if needed. Meaning they only have a head shot online.

[JZLizard]

So I am working up this hottie 20 yr old who is scheduled as soon as exams are over. She sent me a pic as requested and asking for a return.

Here's the dilemma. I have two fake pics up which show a blurry face shot and a neck down body shot, both very close to my real looks. (I've never had anyone doubt then) This Baby is in my home base and area of town and lives at home when she is not away at school. I am recognizable to many because of social prominence and job, possibly including her parents or friends. She might flee if I refuse, but I don't want my real visage out there in case she shows it around.

Do any of you have some BS verbiage to explain why I won't send her a pic? (And to be patient until our M&G to check me out).

Usually, the tips / tactics / strategies I can offer are a package deal -- all or none. By that I mean that my own success is completely dependent on deploying the tactics as a complete strategy, and allowing even one of my rules to slip will cause the other tactics to be less effective.

That said, I think you've heard my rule of never dating close to home (when you have an SO that is). That tactic alone eliminates the dilemma presented in your post. I will spare you all of the ways that sidestepping that tactic can go sideways, because I know you're already aware of them, but it leads to another point:

If I didn't send these girls real pictures of myself, I would have very little success banging them. Don't get me wrong, I never post public photos, but I don't mind to send them one in private. It is a little bit risky in the sense that they could do something weird with one of my photos if things went bad, but it's a risk / reward scenario. The reward is that most of them are up for M&G, and the M&G almost always leads to the FC. None of that would be possible if I sent fake pics or no pics.

I know that's not what you're looking for. So, given the current situation I don't see what else you can do except tell her what you've said here. You're married, have professional reasons for not circulating pics and that's just the way it is, and that you only ask for a half hour of her time to meet for coffee or whatever. Worst that can happen is she will say no. But going back to my initial rule of never scamming close to home, if you don't want to get caught, having a high percentage of them saying no is actually a very good thing for you. A high percentage of yes answers too close to home would only come crashing down on you eventually (been there myself!!).

[FredMoore]

So I am working up this hottie 20 yr old who is scheduled as soon as exams are over. She sent me a pic as requested and asking for a return.

Here's the dilemma. I have two fake pics up which show a blurry face shot and a neck down body shot, both very close to my real looks. (I've never had anyone doubt then) This Baby is in my home base and area of town and lives at home when she is not away at school. I am recognizable to many because of social prominence and job, possibly including her parents or friends. She might flee if I refuse, but I don't want my real visage out there in case she shows it around.

Do any of you have some BS verbiage to explain why I won't send her a pic? (And to be patient until our M&G to check me out).

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

On the subject of taking first crack at the new babies vs letting them get a dose of reality first, I actually do something that is a combination of both, which seems to work extremely well for me.

I jump on all the new profiles every morning, sending them a personalized version of my standard 1st contact message which I have been perfecting over the years. This will usually get me a few immediate responses, but not always from the hottest babies in the group. Fine.

I wait about a week, then send a follow up message to those who I see have read the first message but not replied. It's humorous and brief but to the point, along the lines of "by now you've weeded through all the jerks, perverts and convicts. " and reiterating my desire to meet for coffee or drinks and a "chemistry test. " I find this often works even better than my initial contact, and I've subsequently been able to bed most of these "2nd timers", due to the fact that apparently most of the idiots in the Chicago Bowl are, in fact, jerks, perverts or convicts. Some of the stories I've heard would make Howard Stern blush at the level of crudeness. Hooray for me!

The lesson here is don't worry about getting them to a m&g in the first few days of their signing up. If you can, great. Work it. But I also find value in letting the other SDs self-destruct, then coming back with politeness and gentlemanliness. The desired result, POTF, is still the same, but the babies have had a reality check in the meantime, both in terms of sugar expectations and how many fairytale princes are really out there.

Good luck to all, except my fellow Chicago SDs, if there are any on here. To them I say, keep on doing what you're doing. Works for me!

Peace, and do no harm.

Scott.

[VaSD1]

Have noticed an uptick in pot SBs on SA reaching out and essentially ready to meet at the FC without even knowing what I look like. Some are a s young as 18/19 but there are also the 20 something single moms. I'm doing a M&G with a 25 yo tomorrow for lunch but she is already asking about an extended time possibility. I already have a get together with my 20 yo coed, my red (I mean jello red) 25 yo, and an over due meet up with my 32 yo asian babe this week. Is the holiday season driving some of these girls to be a little more desperate? There was someone on this board that posted about needing a secretary. I think I can relate.