"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[RubberyMan]

Slow and Dandy.

For many women, sex for money is a line that is hard to cross overtly.

On the one hand, many women desperately need money for whatever, but for most of them, to get money for sex and admit that's what they are doing is one small step for man, but one giant leap for womankind.

What SB / SD sites do is give them a fig leaf so they can convince themselves that the line is "over there", and that being a SB is not really money for sex, and that what she is doing hasn't crossed the line quite yet.

So, with that in mind, with the waverers I have used two things in combination. The first, curiosity. Women are curious creatures. The second is to make sure that the only way their curiosity is satisfied is if they come to the M&G.

For example, if someone is interested but hesitating, it means that they are unlikely to have done this before. So, invite them to the M&G on a definite "no money or sex" meeting where you will tell them all about the various scams that could trap them, or something else they seem to be curious about. Them DON'T let them wheedle that information out of you by email or text. In other words, the only way they can satisfy their curiosity is to come to a "definitely no money or sex" M&G.

The whole point of this rather absurd charade is to get them to the face to face meeting by giving them the excuse that they are not meeting you to negotiate sex for money, oh good gracious no, they are meeting you to satisfy their curiosity.

Once at the M&G, you then have the chance to let them relax and get comfortable with you. Once they are there, the likelihood of progression to the FC is high, if you have enough game.

I don't. LOL.

However, what has worked on enough occasions to make it worth while is this. When I see them making the exit sounds, I bring out one of those fridge magnets, write my phone number on the magnet side plastic, and give it to them saying something like "Look, I can see you are not interested now, but if you ever have a real financial crisis, call me and we'll see what we can work out". If the magnet is cute, it will likely end up on the refrigerator door. When the refrigerator is empty and my number is up there. With these women, it is often only a matter of time before the crisis really hits.

I have found at that point my lack of game is much less of a problem.

Please note that this is only worth trying for those pots who are wavering. UTR and experienced SB aren't in the crosshairs for this. I use it for the married ones and their partners. Couples in financial need are often the biggest waverers for some reason.

[SlowMo]

I don't really get it, but I think some girls just can't pull the trigger when it gets right down to it.

I agree. I'm finding that to be quite common place. I believe that veterans of the bowl have perfected the art of weeding the flakes and indecisive as quickly and cheaply as possible. It really is a numbers game. And time spent on someone who won't pan out carries an opportunity cost. I can see now why it may be best to be very direct, even at the risk of piercing the romantic bubble of some, for the sake getting to the point.

[Dandy Don]

Ok, I actually had a whole day to myself and was determined to capitalize on it. There are 2 POTs that I have been talking to extensively for 2 months now. Do to distance, schedules arranging something with them has been difficult but now I had like an 8 hour window. Surely it would work out. Plus another POT that I had talked to awhile back started texting me. In addition, my POF profile had struck up with an UTR, and I had initiated chats with two other young SBs POTs. So here is the breakdown.

POT31-- Talked to her almost on daily basis for 2 months, 31, white, very cute, seems to be very sexually open. I think we get along great. But everytime I suggest an actual date, she gets strangely silent, doesn't even acknowledge the proposal. So I throw out Friday knowing in theory it's a good day for her to meet me. No response on it. She continues to chat with me, but just sort of acts like the idea was never floated. Not sure where this one is going to end up. In some ways, I think she sort of likes me as a person but can't figure out how that fits in with the SD / SB thing. If I was single and lived closer, I actually think she would just want to date me.

POT23- 23, mixed, grad student. Very cute with a tinge of sexy. Sort of funky personality which I like. She's different but not mental. We talk about 3 times a week. Like above, we seem to get along really well. I throw out Friday knowing she doesn't have class, really no response like above but at least she just stops chatting altogether. I don't really get it, but I think some girls just can't pull the trigger when it gets right down to it.

POT24 - Tall lean, AA girl, 24, just finished school, doing an internship. Very attractive, nice body, maybe a little too skinny if anything. But a solid 9 in my book. We chatted before, but schedules never meshed, now she is texting me again. But she has her internship on Friday, so can't meet up. But she does ask me for cash to pay for some licensing exams she has to take. It sounds like a legit request but I explain that I can't forward her money considering we haven't met and it's been impossible to arrange anything so far so why should I be confident that next week or the week after we are going to be able to do it? She has no transportation of own and apparently cannot borrow a friends or family members car. Haven't heard from her since.

POT18-Just starting chatting with her on like Wednesday. 18, white, a few extra pounds (I seem to be king of this type), cute face. Lives with BF, not sure how I feel about that. She lives about 50 minutes from me, no car We chat a little, and I went tosee her on Friday AM. She has an appt. We talk a little, play cards, then make out like a couple of teenagers. She says she is on her period, not sure if I believed it but didn't push further. We hung out for about hour and a half. I actually left without any contribution but we did talk about buying her some boots she liked when I came up next. I will see her again and start being generous.

UTR. Chatted with on POF, 20 AA, looks like a nice curvy but fit body. She was very upfront about what she wanted in exchange for companionship. Maybe more a pro but I couldn't find her on any pro sites so I dunno for sure. Since my 18 year old above did not drain me of my energy, I try to hook up with her. I suggested a time. She say how about 20 minutes from now. I say I can't, I am about 50 minutes from you. She says maybe she can wait. I try contacting once I am back in town, no answer. Later she said her phone died, we could reschedule. Not sure what to think but I will likely try again just to see what she is all about.

POT19 -- White, pretty, no body pic but I think she is probably average build. Text for a short while. Its very weird, we grew up in the same town and actually lived on the same street, albeit 3 decades apart. Chat seems to go well, a lot of kidding back and forth. I tell her it's getting late but would love to talk more. She seems very interested. But she has not responding to my texts since.

Meanwhile, my original SB emails me saying her friend who she had previously said would do a threesome with us was in dire straits and needed money. The email made it sound like her friend (who is very pretty) wanted in on some action. I say I am interested and to text me. Like an hour and a half later she finally texts me but it is abundantly clear that it would just be original SB and she wanted way to much. I ignored the texts and then email her the next day saying "What happened, never heard from you".

Anyway, at least it's never dull.

[VaGuy68]

Ok, HollywoodGuy has pulled me out of the shadows! I have lurked on USG for years (and years) and was active in the DC MP scene back in the good days. BP girls when I travel here and there. I saw this SB forum 6 months or so ago and became interested in the bowl. I've RTFF from the beginning and am truly impressed with some of your exploits. I'm a pretty private type so posting on such a forum is a stretch for me but I figured I've taken, so I should give back.

Joined SA a few months ago. I live and work outside the metro area proper so my options are a little limited. I work a lot and have been trying to locate SB's that are close enough that I can play during the day a little.

So far:

30 something AA. M&G at Starbucks, FC at her place a few days later. Little thicker than I like but she was sweet and even baked me cookies. I gave her $ and she was appreciative. Fun but did not repeat. She wants a BF.

Multiple messaging with lots of others but they are either flakes, druggies, serial texter's etc. I need to update my profile as I threw a quick one on there to get me started. I'm going to spend the time to craft a much more appealing ad.

I'm a decent looking mid 40's guy. Not sure I can pull the 19-20 YO's but I'm going to try. I will keep you updated. Thanks to all you successful ballers. You are an inspiration!

VAguy68.

[Bill Cullen]

I finally had my first FC date with a SB since June, and sadly it was not without its issues.

In addition to the handful of other POTs I've been chatting with, I had been chatting with SA POT 2, the one who I had a M&G with last week. After that, things just didn't work out for dates we had planned (feeling under the weather, that time of the month, etc.) and with all the problems we had been having with seeing each other, I would normally assume that she was just trying to string me along. But she insisted that she really wanted to see me again, so I hung in there. So things finally align last night and we meet at the FC.

First, the good news: She's really hot in a girl next door way. Definitely a 8 or 9 in the looks. Nice athletic body with a bit of extra curves in the boobs and butt. She's friendly and she's smart. She's local and we have almost the exact same work schedule, and she's willing to get together a few times a week, as opposed to the few times a month I'm used to with previous girls. She is comfortable with whatever I give her as far as sugar. Willing to BB (her suggestion).

Now the bad news: She was really passive. Didn't really give too much affection, didn't initiate anything. I kept thinking I was doing something wrong or something else was going on, which bothered me. Even with the V going through my system, I had major issues keeping the little guy awake because of how passive she was and how that was making me feel. There's a fine line between submissive (which I love) and passive (which I hate). And then when I thought we finally had things going and I was able to fuck her without little FotoGuy taking a vacation, she told me she'd have to leave soon, which I thought meant she needed me to stop. She later told me that that wasn't the case and I could have kept going, but it was frustrating. I did tell her that I like to receive affection as much as I like to give it, hoping that she'll take the hint. Plus she admitted she was really, really nervous and that she will be a lot better our next date.

It's definitely not the worst first-time FC date I've had with a SB, not by a long shot. But it could have been way better and I'm hoping that this was just her nervousness at work. We may be seeing each other again in just a couple days, hopefully it will be an improvement over this time.

I had one like this a couple months ago. Body was a 10 but a complete zero in bed. I had to even guide her hand to where it needed to be. I gave her a second chance with no improvement. A real shame. Kinda like taking a mazaratti for a drive through a school zone.

[FotoGuy1970]

I finally had my first FC date with a SB since June, and sadly it was not without its issues.

In addition to the handful of other POTs I've been chatting with, I had been chatting with SA POT 2, the one who I had a M&G with last week. After that, things just didn't work out for dates we had planned (feeling under the weather, that time of the month, etc.) and with all the problems we had been having with seeing each other, I would normally assume that she was just trying to string me along. But she insisted that she really wanted to see me again, so I hung in there. So things finally align last night and we meet at the FC.

First, the good news: She's really hot in a girl next door way. Definitely a 8 or 9 in the looks. Nice athletic body with a bit of extra curves in the boobs and butt. She's friendly and she's smart. She's local and we have almost the exact same work schedule, and she's willing to get together a few times a week, as opposed to the few times a month I'm used to with previous girls. She is comfortable with whatever I give her as far as sugar. Willing to BB (her suggestion).

Now the bad news: She was really passive. Didn't really give too much affection, didn't initiate anything. I kept thinking I was doing something wrong or something else was going on, which bothered me. Even with the V going through my system, I had major issues keeping the little guy awake because of how passive she was and how that was making me feel. There's a fine line between submissive (which I love) and passive (which I hate). And then when I thought we finally had things going and I was able to fuck her without little FotoGuy taking a vacation, she told me she'd have to leave soon, which I thought meant she needed me to stop. She later told me that that wasn't the case and I could have kept going, but it was frustrating. I did tell her that I like to receive affection as much as I like to give it, hoping that she'll take the hint. Plus she admitted she was really, really nervous and that she will be a lot better our next date.

It's definitely not the worst first-time FC date I've had with a SB, not by a long shot. But it could have been way better and I'm hoping that this was just her nervousness at work. We may be seeing each other again in just a couple days, hopefully it will be an improvement over this time.

[Traveling John #2]

This game is tiring but man when your balls deep in something new who is kissing you and telling you nice things it is worth it. I have two on the line. The first one is an artsy girl who is helping me stay connected to youth and terms of her world but keep the cookie jar closed. Three dates and no base play yet, I know I know, but like gambling I put this much in, my number has to come up next spin. I will give her one more date I think.

The second one is crazy. Out if my league girl who likes it all. Anal, multi rounds, great making out. She is a little of a pro I found out and maybe a little unstable mentally. Man this is like riding a roller coaster and not knowing if there is a cliff or station at the end.

Oh and I went out with a French girl from Chevy chase, what a waste. She gets in the car and is texting, not asking any questions and let's me do most of the talking. We get lunch and same shit. I took her ass back home.

[SlowMo]

I got no game. I wish I had game. I'm not even sure what game is. Would someone who has game please explain what game is? And maybe even how to develop it? Do I need to watch videos from wirdos on youtube about techniques like "peacocking" and stuff?

(last post of the night, promise)

[SlowMo]

Gents,

Busy, busy week, but not much to show for it. Between sending messages, replying, texting, skyping, getting ready for M&G, rescheduling things to give me the time to M&G, actually going to the date, I'm freaking exhausted. I feel like Ray Liotta in Good Fellas, running around trying to make tomato sauce and meatballs.

I had a cute beauty specialist cancel our 2nd date at the last minute because she apparently is starting something serious with someone else. OK.

I had dinner with a so-called gym rat who turned out to be anything but. She posted as a fetish aficionado which sounded like a lot of fun. We had a great conversation, but it ended with a flop and not even a kiss. She later told me she was turned off when I suggested I wouldn't want to be whipped.

Had drinks M&G lined up with a new one but she cancelled for being under the weather.

A 19 yr old student to whom I've spoken to in the past and twice tried to setup a date with resurfaced asking me out with 12 hrs notice on a day where I already had something going on. I did the best I could to explain that I need a little heads up. She's presumably going to be done with finals mid-Dec. This one I can't invest too much in as she's a super communication flake.

I had a skype session with a super nice but not very fit girl. I might pursue as she seems a little sub and didn't bristle at my low sugar figure. She was great to talk to, maybe she'll make me feel great.

The one that bummed me out the most was date #3 with a cute, smart young student with zero social skills. Long story short, it took everything I had to squeeze out a little make out session and was caught stealing at 2nd and 3rd base. No sugar expended, but lots of time in traffic and some money on expensive drinks and apps. Clearly she's not into me, so I got to cut her loose.

I've already told you about the $500 GPS. We were set for drinks when she threw out her amount. I'm damned glad she did too as it saved me lots of time and allowed me to squeeze in the above.

Phew. With all the eating, drinking and skipping on the gym I feel like crap. I might need a break from chasing tail.

[SlowMo]

If anyone in Boston wants quick access to a very, very pretty girl for a mere $500 you could try your hand at the pretty lady attached. You wouldn't have to waste any time with dating, you could go straight to the FC. In fact, she will suggest it herself.

She blocked me from her private and hot pictures before I had time to type this (Hollywood would wholeheartedly approve), after I let her know that she was beyond my budget. None of the tactics previously discussed here about regular visits, etc worked to bring her to a more reasonable space.

[Rouleur]

Sometimes I feel bad about posting too much. And there is a bunch of stuff I don't even mention. I figured with 20+ posters it would never be an issue. Hey lurkers, we know you"re out there. Post Something. Anything. LOL

Hollywood I always look forward to your posts. Never occurred to me that you might be posting too much. As for my lurking, I'm guilty as charged. For various reasons I have not been as active in the Bowl lately and haven't anything new to add. When I do start playing again I will try to be a contributor as well as a reader. In the meantime, hope you have continued good fortune in the bowl and please don't cut back on your posts.

[HollywoodGuy]

I'm beginning to think you need your own thread on here, dude! What kind of vitamins do you take? If I didn't know better, I'd think there was more than one of you!
I didn't know there were that many hours in the day for all the babies you bed.
Scott

Sometimes I feel bad about posting too much. And there is a bunch of stuff I don't even mention. I figured with 20+ posters it would never be an issue. Hey lurkers, we know you"re out there. Post Something. Anything. LOL

I can't tell you how many Friday nites I have sat home and done nothing (except watch camgirls). Of course it always goes one way or the other. Today I was gonna see girl A so I told girl B to just go out and have fun. Sure enough girl A calls and says she is sick and can't make it due to having a cold. So i get everything set up for girl B and for us to have a good date instead. Shortly thereafter girl A calls and says she's bored and feeling better and can she come over. She already knows I reset everything to see her tomorrow and see girl B tonite. I tell her sorry and she claims she is OK with it. But I just met her and cant really say we have a solid enough anything not to hurt her feelings. But these young girls are not business executives running on a tight schedule. They don't always appreciate or even know how hard it is to work 7 days a week and be able to schedule all this shit in the first place. And trying to explain it to them is usually not a good idea. I always get the feeling they don't believe you even when you're telling the truth.

It's closing in on the first. The time I usually reset my relationships. I have narrowed it down to the best few. Thats why I have the time to look a little more. From reading this board I have learned to be more selective and not feel too pressured when girls ask for things I dont want to give. Or just fucking every girl thats willing. And in my hood its endless. I did stay on budget this year and thats the main thing. Had some fun, had some drama, met some interesting people and grew as a person myself through the experience.

[HollywoodGuy]

I'm beginning to think you need your own thread on here, dude! What kind of vitamins do you take? If I didn't know better, I'd think there was more than one of you!
I didn't know there were that many hours in the day for all the babies you bed.
Scott

Being single doesn't hurt. I am in reasonably good health. Not overweight. I do apply the testosterone cream everyday (.6 a month). I used to inject HGH, but its too expensive for me now (1k to 2k a month)(switched to serovital). I take my vitamin C daily (15 mg costs me about 13 dollars a day). And really the key is to hook up with girls that float your boat. Real chemistry is what I need to stay active. If the chemistry isn't there, I dont make a second date. I dont care if its free.

I only dropped the ball twice this year. The first girl took it as a personal insult. Even though we had had amazing sex many many times. So I guess that was meant to end anyway. But after a few years we had gone to a no more sugar arrangement as well (and I thought she liked me. lol). The second one was a date I had a few weeks ago with a cute chinese girl. The date was a little awkward and I was tired. I was a little embarrassed to follow up with her but today she txted me out of nowhere so we made a date for monday.

[F Scott]

The girl below did get back to me today. Trying to see if she will meet me for just a traditional M&G tonite near her home as she has no car. Hope so.

I'm beginning to think you need your own thread on here, dude! What kind of vitamins do you take? If I didn't know better, I'd think there was more than one of you!
I didn't know there were that many hours in the day for all the babies you bed.
Scott

[HollywoodGuy]

The girl below did get back to me today. Trying to see if she will meet me for just a traditional M&G tonite near her home as she has no car. Hope so.