"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Traveling John #2]

So in my travels the old you got me pregnant scam was very popular. Has anyone dealt with that here?

[HollywoodGuy]

You can't turn a h o into a housewife, but can you turn one into a PT SB? I am under no illusions about any exclusivity in the tradition sense. But exclusivity in the sense that you do get treated better while hopefully paying less. I sent this to a pro I met on the sd site that has been trying to get me to pay the $$ for the quick in and out. We are blessed in our fair city with an abundance of smoking hot UTR and pro girls at $$ for as far as the eye can see. And many at $ per HH. If that's your game you would be in hog heaven here.

But that is all you are going to get, and most guys wouldn't want anything more from that type of girl. But you know there is or was some guy they were giving it to for free because they thought that guy thought they were special. The trick is to find one that has some emotional needs. I know that's what most of you guys avoid, but its what I pursue. So anyway I got this pro believing I am interested in something a little off the beaten path. Will I get her. Who knows. But I love A/B testing and marketing strategies in general. Some people say I have a flair for writing the type of ad copy that gets under peoples skin, and as I am not the greedy type I share this with anyone that cares to use it.

SHE ASKS THE PERENNIAL QUESTION.

"So what are you actually looking for".

I ANSWER.

"When I can find it. Something more than a one night stand. I usually get along best with the type of girl most guys don't get mentally and can't satisfy physically. And that most girls don't like in general.

I like girls with personality. Something your pics make me think you have a lot of.

I love a (your description of her here) girl.

I'm very chill and the live and let live type. All I do everyday is work and socialize. If you saw my life a little closer it would be a little clearer.

So lets just say I am looking for something more than a hook-up but less than a girlfriend. But I have had a few of those as well when its right, but never at the expense of anyones freedom.

At the moment I am single, but rarely lonely. And just like you I want the best I can find for myself. The only way to get that is to check things out when they look like they might be worth checking.

Sometimes you just have to look past what's most likely to happen and hope maybe something more will. ".

Just change the words to better suit your individual objectives. BTW... the girl I sent this to is someone I have offered my usual $ to multiple times over the last few months. I never stalk girls online but she just happens to be a 10 for me. Most girls would either ignore me, tell me off, or just laugh. But now I got her asking me that perennial question.

[Dandy Don]

On top of those plutonic arrangement seeking SBs.

For those SD's with SO's, are you guys upfront with being married and needing discretion? I don't know what it is but lately it seems in my market all the potentials are not wanting to deal with a married guy. My game doesn't seem to be the problem, but I am upfront that I'm married, have no intention of leaving and need discretion. The initial conversations go fine but once the subject of being married comes up, they back away and often say they believe in marriage's sanctity and can't proceed. Granted many of them seem like first-timers. Maybe I just got to be more patient and wait til they deal with some of the creepy single SD's and see stable married SD's can be a good option too. Just wanted to vent a little and take the pulse elsewhere.

I am always upfront about my marital status. And so far I have met zero resistance. My SB2 was oddly interested in what my wife looked like and how often we had sex and what the sex was like. She just seemed to assume that guys get bored when they get older and it was only natural to turn to young woman. When I brought her back to my house (yes I am that daring and scared of hotels and paper trails) she chose to do the deed in the master bedroom instead of the guest room because its was naughtier. SB1 also did not care and actually seemed to be turned on by it. She told me she fantasized about being the mistress and I don't think she was lying.

I have had extensive chats with probably 10 other woman in the last 2 months and not a one cares. Two of my POTs who I chat with on practically a daily basis both seem like the type that are doing this because they want male attention as much as they want some extra cash They are not desperate for money and but it could help with everyday expenses and make their life easier. I get the sense from both of them that they are potentially husband hunting if the right comes along. They are both great, normal, fun to talk to woman. I am not sure if I am lucky or unlucky that our schedules never mesh. I feel like they are the type to lure you in.

[JZLizard]

On top of those plutonic arrangement seeking SBs.

For those SD's with SO's, are you guys upfront with being married and needing discretion? I don't know what it is but lately it seems in my market all the potentials are not wanting to deal with a married guy. My game doesn't seem to be the problem, but I am upfront that I'm married, have no intention of leaving and need discretion. The initial conversations go fine but once the subject of being married comes up, they back away and often say they believe in marriage's sanctity and can't proceed. Granted many of them seem like first-timers. Maybe I just got to be more patient and wait til they deal with some of the creepy single SD's and see stable married SD's can be a good option too. Just wanted to vent a little and take the pulse elsewhere.

I'm not married but have a long term GF. I really don't discuss it at all with most of them, and I typically don't ask about their non-SD dating activities. In a few cases I have and I've found they can sometimes be really cool about everything. Usually I would only open up about my private life after getting to know them better. For example, one of my girls was 18, but she was the oldest of many sisters and I quickly found out she had the maturity and level-headedness that most 35 year olds don't have. I can spot high-achieving people a mile away and she is the type that will actually amount to something in her career later. So I decided to open up to her about my own situation and I let her know she should feel free to talk to me about her boyfriends her age if she wants to, and she certainly did. It's amazing what you can learn about their lifestyle from insider intel like that.

She was not really typical of my preferred type, though. I prefer the "true" SBs -- the ones that are not looking for per-date payment as much as they just have a thing for older successful men and want a boyfriend that fits that criteria. They aren't necessarily expecting a multi-millionaire as much as someone who can take care of them to the point they could have a nice life without working at all. What they really have in mind varies from girl to girl, but to some of them, this means if they are your SB they would be moving in with you sometime soon. Yeah I know, yikes. Or minimum they are expecting to be set up in an apartment long enough to see where things go. I think this may be the type you've been encountering. Those are the types that will care if you're married, because it immediately means they are excluded from "the jackpot" (potentially finding a successful guy they really enjoy being with, marrying him and having security going forward whether they stay married or not). They know that if you're married, it means they will have to adjust their schedule to accommodate yours more often than not (you're going to say "sorry I can't see you" when they need someone to cry or complain about life to. Your emotional support energy is already being consumed by someone else and you're not available in that sense).

But then again there are completely different categories of girls. As Hollywood said, some of them will PREFER married guys, because they may already be in love with someone themselves, and just need extra sources of easy income and the ego stroking they get from being an SB, but they don't want a clinger or someone interfering with the rest of their social life.

Then there are UTR girls and escorts. They couldn't care less because it's a per-date transaction with them.

It just depends on what kind of girl you're going after. The spectrum of types of girls you'll encounter can be dizzying. If you're consistently meeting one type, or seeing recurring patterns in their response or behavior, there may be something in your profile that's attracting only that type, or perhaps it could be your conversational approach that is resulting in a pattern.

One thing I've always tried to do is find ways of making my profile appealing (or at least non-objectionable) while remaining generic. In other words avoid too much specificity. I learned a long time ago to use the same strategy in online civy dating. For example, if I write in my profile that I'm looking for someone for a LTR, it's a bad idea because there are going to be some girls who read it who were just looking for a fun fuck buddy, and if they're hot then I'm all in (in more ways than one). However, if I write "I'm not looking for anything serious" I might repel girls who are looking for something serious. But wait, just because they ARE looking for something serious doesn't mean that they couldn't potentially find themselves hooking up for some casual sex. What they set out to find and what they end up with are often not the same thing.

It all comes down to marketing yourself really. If you see a common pattern in the prospects you're attracting, and they aren't what you want, change your tactic for attracting them.

[Madaboutmax]

I never pay a girl for a M + G. I will pay for dinner and / or drinks, but make it clear intimacy and financial support are tied.

That or similar response is not uncommon from my experience on SA. Someone has these young girls thinking they are worth 300 or more a date just to show up as arm candy for old rich guys. Info think many of them finally come around to the realities of life in the bowl. Between that and the GPS girls, it's truly a challenge finding a good long-term arrangement. But when you do, it's worth the effort.

I too would like to know if anybody is actually paying just for the date and no FC. I think it's rare here in RVA.

[Hsrams]

That or similar response is not uncommon from my experience on SA. Someone has these young girls thinking they are worth 300 or more a date just to show up as arm candy for old rich guys. Info think many of them finally come around to the realities of life in the bowl. Between that and the GPS girls, it's truly a challenge finding a good long-term arrangement. But when you do, it's worth the effort.

I too would like to know if anybody is actually paying just for the date and no FC. I think it's rare here in RVA.

" I will not be taking my clothes off, you won't be touching me, we won't be having sex, I will not be giving you hand jobs or blow jobs or anything like that. This is for people who get off on spoiling a girl and having a good time. ".

Whoa! You can't make it any clearer than that. Some guys might take that on as a challenge. Not me. I ask that question again "are there guys out there who pay these girls? I guess theyfigure they have notheing to lose taking a swing at it.

Got an UTR in RVA if any of you locals are interested.

[Madaboutmax]

I might be one to take a swing at one like this. I'd usually lead with a big compliment, express disappointment that she is not into any intimacy (in ahumorous way) and wish her the best of luck in her search.

I've had a few come back and say they only say that to get rid of the "creeps", but for the right guy will consider intimacy. If they then compliment me. Go time! LOL.

I think some of these girls try to keep a morale facade that they quickly lose in private.

" I will not be taking my clothes off, you won't be touching me, we won't be having sex, I will not be giving you hand jobs or blow jobs or anything like that. This is for people who get off on spoiling a girl and having a good time. ".

Whoa! You can't make it any clearer than that. Some guys might take that on as a challenge. Not me. I ask that question again "are there guys out there who pay these girls? I guess theyfigure they have notheing to lose taking a swing at it.

Got an UTR in RVA if any of you locals are interested.

[Donwhite]

Was that a SB or did you entice her off the webcam site?

I enticed her to come visit, but she had been a SB before. It was fun. She brought a bunch of different outfits.

[FredMoore]

" I will not be taking my clothes off, you won't be touching me, we won't be having sex, I will not be giving you hand jobs or blow jobs or anything like that. This is for people who get off on spoiling a girl and having a good time. ".

Whoa! You can't make it any clearer than that. Some guys might take that on as a challenge. Not me. I ask that question again "are there guys out there who pay these girls? I guess theyfigure they have notheing to lose taking a swing at it.

Got an UTR in RVA if any of you locals are interested.

[Madaboutmax]

I enjoy getting to know someone before we get intimate. That part of what I think makes sugar dating different than escorting. I usually explain that in any relationship there is, at some level, an expectation of intimacy and financial support. I make it clear the two are tied together, but I'm willing to get to know someone before going to that level. Most of the time, we go to the next level on the first date. LOL The newbies need to feel like it is their choice.

Had coffee with the young MILF. That chick is a poor communicator and disorganized. She had me wait 20 min at the coffee shop since she didn't leave her place until I arrived even though it was a place she picked and I was crystal clear about my arrival time. Turns out she's not my type at all, and she has this story of a friend of hers getting a free BMW from her SD. Well, good luck with that. I'm not even sure I'd do her for free.

The out of the way MILF flaked out on me the morning of our date. She presumably forgot a charity bike ride she was to be in. Needless to say I've since lost her number.

The 19 yr old student likewise vanished on the day we had tentatively picked to M&G. Because she's much more my type, I'll play this one cool and try again at a later time.

On the plus side, I had a 2nd date with the 20-something student. We went shopping where she helped me pick something I was looking for (nothing for her), and then had an early, but high-end dinner (if I'm going to eat out, might as well make it good). I dropped her off at her place and we talked in the car for a bit. She did not respond to my signals, but in a clearly clueless manner, not in a GPS manner. She did eventually connect the dots on her own via email later that day, thank goodness. And she's open to going to the FC on our next date, which should be next week sometime. She's also been writing dirty emails, which is a distinct change of pace for her.

I'm now beginning to understand why experienced folks like Hollywood are really explicit very early: some of those girls literally don't know what an arrangement is for. I was worried of scaring them off before, but then I'm paying with my time, which is precious. I'd be curious to know what folks lay down at the M&G, do's, don'ts, expectations and offers. My guess is that you have to lay it out there. One difficulty I don't know if other SDs share with me is that I do not show a face picture on SA. Girls get to the M&G blind, which I'm now thinking costs me a date as they need a bit of time to figure out how they feel about me. Anybody else setting blind dates due to privacy needs?

SM.

[HollywoodGuy]

I don't know what a girl would think if you sent this with your pics. Haven't tried it yet.

But I am going to.

[HollywoodGuy]

I had an overnight date with a webcam girl before and I had a great time, but it was pricey!

Was that a SB or did you entice her off the webcam site?

[Donwhite]

Its been a whole month since I have even touched my x "the princess". I see her posting a lot of stuff about wanting to get with hot girls on her IG and twitter. Still talk to her daily. I watched a sex tape we made at the height of our romance. It made me a little sad, as I still miss her, but even at her hottest you would have had to multiply that by 2 or 3 just for me to have stayed the course. Hence the breakup.

My "MILF" is finally finally moving into her new apt. Even if I do spend a $ a date at least it will all go to her and not the room. I calculate that she has averaged about .8 a date since I met her because of paying for the no-tel. So she will actually be getting a raise and I will save about .6 a date (the cost of the room minus the .2 more for her).

My webcam baby (pictured) got a $$$$$$ tip at work the other day (12,425 tokens to be exact). Those guys be crazy. Another new addiction of mine. Webcam Girls. You can watch them for free all day and night. LOL. A lot of guys try to coax the girls into meeting. In rare circumstances it does happen. Talk about pouring on the sugar. These guys will spend thousands online to get a girls attention. Virtual romance is an expensive habit. But I like it because you get to see real girls playing with themselves. Very informative as they rarely fake orgasm. I have seen sex toys I didn't even know existed. Too bad she lives so far away. She would be my new GF if she was nearby. We get along great. And she really is adorable. And the sugar is not her prime motivation.

My little girl "S" is going to try to dance nude tonite at a local club. Hope it works out for her. She still won't take a dime from me even though she is hungry and not properly clothed. And she is now a full time student as well.

Had a couple of freebie makeout dates that went no where afterward. One was just a horny girl that I got "lucky" with. Do this stuff enough and anything and everything will happen.

I did meet one new NP first timer that I had awesome sex with twice and paid her $.5 because she really was worth it. But its been tough trying to see her. A combination of her schedule and wanting to get paid more. She agreed to keep taking the $.5, but she is no where to be seen.

And life goes on.

I had an overnight date with a webcam girl before and I had a great time, but it was pricey! The bowel has been kind of barren for me lately. I had a nice overnight date with a 21 yr old 5'8 half Italian / half Filipino model from Atlanta with enhanced 32 DDDs, but it was a little pricey. I did break a personal record. I had only had sex four times in 24 hours before and we managed five times in 24 hours (three times that morning before she left! I have a brunch date with a 5'10 blonde 22 yr old Mississippi State sorority girl on Sunday. I hope it goes well. She is gorgeous and I love blondes. Can you also tell that I like them tall?

[SlowMo]

Gents,


Then this girl who's online shine has quickly worn off: just another busy single mom. There's nothing wrong with that, but that wasn't exactly what the profile led one to believe. Turns out she's only available when her kids are in school, which happens to be when I work. Not sure how that's going to work out.

And recently I had a drink with this 20-something girl. She did arrive 25 min late, which pisses me off to no end because I run a tight schedule. You better believe that next time I'll schedule such that she might have to wait instead of me rushing. She is super cute, better than her pics. Seems like a hard working student. Wasn't too fond of her not maintaining eye contact for more than 1% of the time. Let's see what her feedback from our meeting was. I'm not too optimistic.

I presumably have breakfast lined up with a MILF that is pretty far out of the way. Seems cumbersome, but I want to see if she'll move to the FC more quickly. And something I have yet to figure out with a 19 yr old student who at first wanted to do steak & wine dinner before I suggested drinks or something that quick. I have no desire to be in a 90 min first date. That chick is really artsy and that's usually not my type, so I need an escape route.

Had coffee with the young MILF. That chick is a poor communicator and disorganized. She had me wait 20 min at the coffee shop since she didn't leave her place until I arrived even though it was a place she picked and I was crystal clear about my arrival time. Turns out she's not my type at all, and she has this story of a friend of hers getting a free BMW from her SD. Well, good luck with that. I'm not even sure I'd do her for free.

The out of the way MILF flaked out on me the morning of our date. She presumably forgot a charity bike ride she was to be in. Needless to say I've since lost her number.

The 19 yr old student likewise vanished on the day we had tentatively picked to M&G. Because she's much more my type, I'll play this one cool and try again at a later time.

On the plus side, I had a 2nd date with the 20-something student. We went shopping where she helped me pick something I was looking for (nothing for her), and then had an early, but high-end dinner (if I'm going to eat out, might as well make it good). I dropped her off at her place and we talked in the car for a bit. She did not respond to my signals, but in a clearly clueless manner, not in a GPS manner. She did eventually connect the dots on her own via email later that day, thank goodness. And she's open to going to the FC on our next date, which should be next week sometime. She's also been writing dirty emails, which is a distinct change of pace for her.

I'm now beginning to understand why experienced folks like Hollywood are really explicit very early: some of those girls literally don't know what an arrangement is for. I was worried of scaring them off before, but then I'm paying with my time, which is precious. I'd be curious to know what folks lay down at the M&G, do's, don'ts, expectations and offers. My guess is that you have to lay it out there. One difficulty I don't know if other SDs share with me is that I do not show a face picture on SA. Girls get to the M&G blind, which I'm now thinking costs me a date as they need a bit of time to figure out how they feel about me. Anybody else setting blind dates due to privacy needs?

SM.

[VaSD1]

But have not paid the fees to respond to offers. You are right, a lot of cross over traffic. Great that you will let us know how you liked the dates, have fun!

Met first one today. Emailed a few times and made sure we were on the same page as far as expectations. Set up today's meet and she replies back that she is 20 weeks pregnant. Went ahead with meeting her at her apartment (yay. No room, and no coffee). She was as her pics but with the expected bulge in front. Slim girl, 25, long dark hair and gorgeous blue eyes. I just had to hit it for the kink. For $ I was happy. Might do again but having troubles keeping up with regulars and new M&Gs. Still made a nice memory and this one is one of the few that's not on SA (although she didn't know she could be on SA without paying if she uploaded a pic. Might see her there soon). One down, two to go.