"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**JoeBlowDC** · 10-31-14 14:23

Originally Posted by VaSD1 [View Original Post]

For anyone that's a member of SA you likely received an offer to sign up for this affiliated site. I did and I did sign up about three weeks ago. Most of the ads were the same women on SA (but not all). I was turned off by the requirement to buy credits in order to send or respond to an offer so I didn't buy. Today (must be the full moon) I bit and bought the basic package of credits. Already have three dates planned out of it and at reasonable prices. One is a preggo (not in her profile, revealed after contact). Kinky. Anybody else TOFFT team on this site? I will report my experiences when they go down.

IMHO. Well with WYP there is more feeling of a date but I think MUCH less chance of nookie.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-31-14 13:56

Its been a whole month since I have even touched my x "the princess". I see her posting a lot of stuff about wanting to get with hot girls on her IG and twitter. Still talk to her daily. I watched a sex tape we made at the height of our romance. It made me a little sad, as I still miss her, but even at her hottest you would have had to multiply that by 2 or 3 just for me to have stayed the course. Hence the breakup.

My "MILF" is finally finally moving into her new apt. Even if I do spend a $ a date at least it will all go to her and not the room. I calculate that she has averaged about .8 a date since I met her because of paying for the no-tel. So she will actually be getting a raise and I will save about .6 a date (the cost of the room minus the .2 more for her).

My webcam baby (pictured) got a $$$$$$ tip at work the other day (12,425 tokens to be exact). Those guys be crazy. Another new addiction of mine. Webcam Girls. You can watch them for free all day and night. LOL. A lot of guys try to coax the girls into meeting. In rare circumstances it does happen. Talk about pouring on the sugar. These guys will spend thousands online to get a girls attention. Virtual romance is an expensive habit. But I like it because you get to see real girls playing with themselves. Very informative as they rarely fake orgasm. I have seen sex toys I didn't even know existed. Too bad she lives so far away. She would be my new GF if she was nearby. We get along great. And she really is adorable. And the sugar is not her prime motivation.

My little girl "S" is going to try to dance nude tonite at a local club. Hope it works out for her. She still won't take a dime from me even though she is hungry and not properly clothed. And she is now a full time student as well.

Had a couple of freebie makeout dates that went no where afterward. One was just a horny girl that I got "lucky" with. Do this stuff enough and anything and everything will happen.

I did meet one new NP first timer that I had awesome sex with twice and paid her $.5 because she really was worth it. But its been tough trying to see her. A combination of her schedule and wanting to get paid more. She agreed to keep taking the $.5, but she is no where to be seen.

And life goes on.

**Beachesnole02** · 10-31-14 13:35

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

She is an UTR if not an out and out escort. There is a lot of money in escorting. A "friend" I know makes $175 K / yr and I'm sure some of the higher class girls can do better than that.

If an SB is seeing an SD who is helping her out in exchange for companionship then to me that is a Sugar relationship. If the SB is seeing multiple Daddies then purely and simply she is escorting. Truth be told they are all escorts if they are taking money in return for sex even if they only have 1 client.

Then in the interview the girl goes on to say there is nothing wrong with it, it.

"it's not like I am an escort getting paid for sex".

**FredMoore** · 10-31-14 12:45

Originally Posted by Beachesnole02 [View Original Post]

One, who was not that attractive claimed she had gotten 10 k last month out of seven different men. I am thinking I would have passed if she showed up for a M&G.

Someone must be paying stupid numbers to some of these women. A

She is an UTR if not an out and out escort. There is a lot of money in escorting. A "friend" I know makes $175 K / yr and I'm sure some of the higher class girls can do better than that.

If an SB is seeing an SD who is helping her out in exchange for companionship then to me that is a Sugar relationship. If the SB is seeing multiple Daddies then purely and simply she is escorting. Truth be told they are all escorts if they are taking money in return for sex even if they only have 1 client.

**FeelGoodMd** · 10-31-14 12:40

Originally Posted by Rouleur [View Original Post]

But have not paid the fees to respond to offers. You are right, a lot of cross over traffic. Great that you will let us know how you liked the dates, have fun!

There is a ton of crossover from SA, and if you buy the cheapest credit package ($50), and bid one girl down to $20 (good luck with that. I've gotten one girl down to $30, the rest have wanted in the $50-80 ranee) once you meet up you've already spent more than you would for a month on SA. Plus. The girls are expecting the cash just for showing up for a M&G. WTF?

I've been on one date with a girl from WYP (see posts 7471 and 7480), and set up another one. I got held up at work and had to cancel on her at the last minute. To which she replied that she expected to be paid for the hour she wasted sitting and waiting for me at the coffee shop (why did she show up an hour early? And that "even though I used a program (google voice) she'd traced my number" and would tell my wife unless I sent her double what we'd agreed on through PayPal. I told her I'd send it to her. If she could tell me my real name to prove that she knew what she thought she did. She blustered and threatened. But never did reply with my name. That was a week ago, and I haven't heard a peep from her since. This is her SA profile: https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ecde1929/view.

If I could do it over again I'd save myself time, money and frustration and buy (another) month on SA. They're essentially the same girls (every one I've communicated with, whether we agreed on a bid or not, has also been on SA), and there's not the supposition of "cash for coffee" when you meet.

Just my two cents.

**Beachesnole02** · 10-31-14 12:02

So the local news chanel is running promo's for their Monday night big story. They are looking into SB's and were showing screenshots of SA along with clips from interviews with a couple young black women saying they would never go back to regular dating. One, who was not that attractive claimed she had gotten 10 k last month out of seven different men. I am thinking I would have passed if she showed up for a M&G.

Someone must be paying stupid numbers to some of these women. Anyways the story might be interesting. It focuses on college student women, and my source at the news said the idea came from an intern who claimed she had friends doing it (I suspect her talking in the third party may have concealed that she did it).

**Minnanon** · 10-31-14 10:08

Originally Posted by RedBred [View Original Post]

My guess is that we SD's are not seeing the promotional material the websites are aiming at young women. It would not surprise me if such material makes it sound like there are young millionaires who cannot get dates and are looking on the site for women just to spend time with. This is how they get young women to sign up ensuring a steady flow of new ones for us. Some women adjust their expectations; others just drop off. Either way, I don't have a problem with it.

RB.

Spot on. I had a nice long chat with a POT where there was no chemistry, but she's smart as a whip. The young girls think there's a ton of 30-something, movie-star looking guys willing to drop big bucks on them. We compared some notes. In my area on SA, there is 1 SD for every 3 (actually 3. 25) potential SBs. 80% of the SD's have a listed income of 200 k or less. 90% are 40 or over.

Many of the youngsters are asking 3-5 k month maintenance to open. So these girls think they are going to get 36-60 k a year in post-tax dollars from guys making 200 k or less? Gently explaining those facts has not done me much good. (Yet the girls that have turned their nose up at my counter are still actively looking weeks later, based on their activity).

Unfortunately—around here at least—most of them seem to eventually drop off rather than get with reality.

**FredMoore** · 10-31-14 09:39

Originally Posted by BeardedMan67 [View Original Post]

Guys- just a follow up to let you know how first date went. Met her at a nice hotel. I offered to buy her dinner, but she had just eaten with her family. We went to the room and talked on the bed for over an hour just getting comfortable with each other and then the fun began. Incredible to be with an 18 year old gorgeous girl!! I got her a gift of lingerie and got to see it modeled and them got some pics of it later. Meeting her again in 2 weeks.

Question- should I care that I know she is seeing other guys or at least looking? I guess the answer is no as long as I am getting what I want out of it.

I like to have my SB's full attention for emotional and safety reasons. Like Hollywood I would require at least that she use condoms with others, but how do you enforce that? I guess in the end we have to assume that they are seeing others just as we are doing. OTOH if you are paying over $1000 / month then it is reasonable for a non greedy girl to provide monogamy. Just like our need for sex, girls' need for money is endless. It is too tempting and easy for them to add another guy or two to the rolls.

A case in point. I am working up a 9/10 20 yr old. We have chemistry from the M&G and have only the FC date to do, but she lives 2 hrs away. She required platonia, but I think that is a moving target. She is searching and has a live-in couples gig on the table (she is very frank about it). It actually would bring her to my city where I could see her on the side. She says the people are OK with that. It takes the support requirement off the table for me and perhaps my allowance can be just for fun, and therefore cheaper and in my price range. But I don't like the thought that she is live-in meat for others to bang at will and on a frequent basis. So I am getting sloppy seconds.

So to second your concern Beard, what is one to do? Like you I guess I will just try to ignore her other activities and enjoy her. What does the committee think?

**Bashful** · 10-31-14 07:12

OK, love reading the posts but frustrated that I can't determine all the euphemisms / acronyms.

I've seen SA listed a lot. Assume its a web site, but can't figure it out. I know there is some prohibition about referencing "competing" sites.

FC: Full Contact? "Full Course" My best guesses. Wish someone would update the ABBREVIATIONS list of all these new stuff.

MG / M&G meet and greet. Got it.

But Enjoy the reading and I am envious of some of you!

**Rouleur** · 10-31-14 00:36

Originally Posted by VaSD1 [View Original Post]

For anyone that's a member of SA you likely received an offer to sign up for this affiliated site. I did and I did sign up about three weeks ago. Most of the ads were the same women on SA (but not all). I was turned off by the requirement to buy credits in order to send or respond to an offer so I didn't buy. Today (must be the full moon) I bit and bought the basic package of credits. Already have three dates planned out of it and at reasonable prices. One is a preggo (not in her profile, revealed after contact). Kinky. Anybody else TOFFT team on this site? I will report my experiences when they go down.

But have not paid the fees to respond to offers. You are right, a lot of cross over traffic. Great that you will let us know how you liked the dates, have fun!

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-31-14 00:36

Originally Posted by BeardedMan67 [View Original Post]

Guys- just a follow up to let you know how first date went. Met her at a nice hotel. I offered to buy her dinner, but she had just eaten with her family. We went to the room and talked on the bed for over an hour just getting comfortable with each other and then the fun began. Incredible to be with an 18 year old gorgeous girl!! I got her a gift of lingerie and got to see it modeled and them got some pics of it later. Meeting her again in 2 weeks.

Question- should I care that I know she is seeing other guys or at least looking? I guess the answer is no as long as I am getting what I want out of it.

I always tell the girl (and this is only if you BB), to please always always always use a condom with everyone else (so I don't have to). If a girl is a real NP she won't be doing anyone else anyway unless she has a BF that was there before you. And a real real NP only has sex with one guy at a time, many will become exclusive by default (not to say this one is or will be).

**VaSD1** · 10-30-14 23:36

For anyone that's a member of SA you likely received an offer to sign up for this affiliated site. I did and I did sign up about three weeks ago. Most of the ads were the same women on SA (but not all). I was turned off by the requirement to buy credits in order to send or respond to an offer so I didn't buy. Today (must be the full moon) I bit and bought the basic package of credits. Already have three dates planned out of it and at reasonable prices. One is a preggo (not in her profile, revealed after contact). Kinky. Anybody else TOFFT team on this site? I will report my experiences when they go down.

**BeardedMan67** · 10-30-14 18:41

Originally Posted by BeardedMan67 [View Original Post]

Wow guys I think I might have hit a home run on my first time up to bat. Met an incredibly cute 18 year old girl tonight at a local coffee shop. We had emailed each other 4-5 times and she asked me to go get coffee. I got there first but didn't see anyone matching her pics. I got my drink and sat down. As I turned my my drink I saw her. WOW- absolutely stunning. I sat down and she got her drink and came over. We introduced ourselves and just started talking. We talked about everything for over an hour. I finally broached the arrangement. She said she already felt comfortable with me and she was down with it. I offered her my decided upon fee and she took it right away. No haggling back and forth. She said I'm so happy we met!! We have a date set up for this coming weekend. I am stoked! I was incredibly nervous about the meet and greet but it went so well.

Guys- just a follow up to let you know how first date went. Met her at a nice hotel. I offered to buy her dinner, but she had just eaten with her family. We went to the room and talked on the bed for over an hour just getting comfortable with each other and then the fun began. Incredible to be with an 18 year old gorgeous girl!! I got her a gift of lingerie and got to see it modeled and them got some pics of it later. Meeting her again in 2 weeks.

Question- should I care that I know she is seeing other guys or at least looking? I guess the answer is no as long as I am getting what I want out of it.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-30-14 17:56

Originally Posted by Madaboutmax [View Original Post]

When I see girls I might otherwise be interested in expressing high $ or no intimacy expectations, I sometimes send them not like: "damn, you are cute. Too bad you are beyond my budget". Or "No intimacy. Darn! With a best of luck on your search. You may be surprised how many respond back positively after their expectations have been "re-set" by reality. LOL.

I just ignore that stuff completely. I suggest a HJ and making out as a get to know you date first. I get a lot of positive response to this. And many times it leads to much more.

MILF update. I let down the one from the other day pretty easy. So no drama there. Here is today's. A few notches higher up the food chain. Maybe a 7 ? She wants to meet tonite.

Costs. Pretty high this month as I am rewarding the loyal few.

Did an M&G with the 18 year old diamond eyes pictured. We have to work out the details, but the first real date is gonna be a HJ only. She is only one mile from my house. She told me I was too old for her. LOL. She is at least an 8/9. Body to die for. We'll see what happens.

**Madaboutmax** · 10-30-14 16:30

When I see girls I might otherwise be interested in expressing high $ or no intimacy expectations, I sometimes send them not like: "damn, you are cute. Too bad you are beyond my budget". Or "No intimacy. Darn! With a best of luck on your search. You may be surprised how many respond back positively after their expectations have been "re-set" by reality. LOL.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

" I am looking for a platonic friend and mentor to help me with my personal and professional goals. " Here's another one newly listed this AM. What the * is up with these girls? Are there really guys out there who pay these cuties to hang around them hoping for a scrap thrown their way?

There is a spate of teens and early 20's in my market, and a large number of them are "Plutonic" idealogues ** "give me monay and you will have the satisfaction of making me happy " Come on brothers, give it up if you are a closet plutonifile. It's OK, the rest of us won't give you too hard a time for ruining the market.

It is my guess that if you are attractive are patient enough to date these girls a little that most would end up giving up the Quan. But there are too many who will give it up anyway to waste our valuable time and available hobbying money with maybes.

My Sugaring is at an all time low due to the Warden keeping a tight leash on my free time and funds. I can no longer risk going out in public and can not get away for unsupervised travel. Sheesh! I'm sure some of you can identify with this. Most who are there no longer post here, so I suspect they have given up or got caught and are wending their way through the legal system. Many old timers are gone from this blog, which tells me that this hobby for married guys is relatively short lived.

Some of you might ask "why put up with the degrading sophomoric supervision that our teenage children had to endure " ? Well **it is hard to give up sex with a 20 yr old to go back to the "same ole same ole " And divorce is extraordinarily expensive and emotionally traumatic, so one does what he can can to keep the flames alive.