"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FyrGuy33]

Blokes,

Just signed up for SA. Quickly stumble on this upbeat Boston girl. She was playful on email and fairly soon gave me her phone number for us to live chat a bit. She really stoke my ego, like a good SB should. Then she sent me a nice pic of her pre-run cleavage. So we setup a meeting one of those mornings. I get to her place and she welcomes me wearing a neglige showing massive cleavage and side boob. I'm thinking that it can't be that easy, and sure enough it wasn't. Turns out "slim" means different things to different people apparently. And her vocabulary would have been right at home at a truck stop. Plus the young lady has an extremely high opinion of herself. She needs her cocktails just so or she'll return them, etc. A princess really. She mentioned that her parents paid for everything until she was 26, so that explains a lot. The most I could pull off while I was there was a light foot rub. She flat out told me no sex on the first date. But she'd be happy to for $500 per week. I did manage to keep a straight face on, yet fairly soon departed. I let her know afterward that for $500 per week I could arrange a meeting with models who'd offer PSE, so I'll pass. Clearly this one hasn't flown on her own long enough. Folks in Boston, what is your experience of SB demands? Seems like college girls on the west coast can be satisfied with $100/ week. I doubt I can get that here, but any idea?

Thanks,

SM.

SM, welcome to the SA SB world. You will find that most of the young ladies on that site have no real grasp of what they are worth. It will take some work on your part to weed thru them and find the ones that are realistic about life itself. When you read their profiles, pay close attention to what they say, don't just skim over it. Most of the time they will reveal themselves a bit. Also, I personally make it a policy to meet them the first time in a public place. Meet for a cocktail, dinner, coffee or whatever. But, never pay them to just show up. Cover the date expenses, but do not throw them money to sit and talk. In the past when they have asked if I am going to do that, I tell them to consider this like a job interview. A prospective employer does not pay you to come to an interview and neither do I. I also never take them to the FC on the first date. I never bring either the funds or covers. And yes, always make sure you have covers when you go to the FC. Surprising how many of these little gems forget that detail, sometimes on purpose.

Many will throw a high price out at you. I start out at $150 (I'm in the NYC area). Many will balk, but you will be surprised at how many will say yes. When they turn me down, I advise them they can see me on a regular basis at the lower donation or they can see nobody and hold out for the higher donation that will never come. Once in a while I hear back from one of them. And, always call it a donation, not a rate. SB's ask for a donation, ESCORTS have a rate.

Lastly, just be aware that finding a SB on SA that will be long term is probably not going to happen. All of the ones I have found over the years from there last anywhere from a couple of months to 1 year. Don't allow yourself to get emotionally involved. That will never end well. Always be in a position to say "NEXT!

Hope this stuff is helpful.

[HollywoodGuy]

I just checked the other 19 girls that I met that did not lead to the FC. Ten of them were at restaurants or starbucks and 9 were on the street or parking lot. So for me at least if a girl says she wants to meet at a restaurant it seems my chances of going to the FC aren't too good. But I am not wining and dining in any kind of high fashion. These are just local corner type places. I actually got 3 of these to the FC and but then nothing happened.

[HollywoodGuy]

Here is where I met the 19 girls that went to the FC on the first date this year.

SB my place.
SB strip mall parking lot.
PRO her place.
PRO my place.
PRO her place.
SB strip mall parking lot.
PRO her place.
UTR my place.
SB my place.
UTR my place.
SB restaurant.
UTR starbucks.
PRO her place.
SB her place.
SB her place.
PRO my place.
SB high school parking lot.
SB my place.
SB motel parking lot.

I met all these girls from SD4M. Looks like I havent met more than one at the motel this year, but have met a few at the no-tel in the past that were first timers. They were just ready. And actually 3 were from CL. Met all of them at their place. One SB, One UTR and one Pro. Lots of Pro's and UTR's on SD4M. Especially the pretty ones. I have no trouble weeding out the GPS girls without meeting them as they almost always tell you upfront that they are just that.

[JZLizard]

I agree with the poster who said asking them to meet in the hotel parking lot would just generate a lot of failed contacts. Anything that plays up the sex for money angle tends to be a big turn-off for most (but not all.).

It depends on the type of the girl and geographical location. I'm sure that if I lived in Vegas, meeting in a hotel parking lot would be par for the course. There are certain expectations about the type of "arrangement" that will take place in an area like that. In mainstream USA, the variation of types of girls you encounter can make your head spin. There is an entire category that would be immediately repulsed by the thought of meeting in a hotel parking lot. On the other hand, some of those Vegas girls might be insulted that you wanted to waste their time by buying them dinner.

[JZLizard]

In Hollywood things move a little faster. Starbucks is always a good choice.

There is something about those "come for the dreams, but stay for the struggle" towns that lend themselves to lots of easy women.

[BamBam]

Need to rant, and where else can I say this? No Where. But what is it with these ladies who after I completely explain I am married, that I cannot go to dinner with them in my home town or anywhere nearby and they say they understand the need for discretion, etc and then when we go to set up a date the want me to take them to a local dinner or bar? I am very upfront about where and when I am able or willing to meet and they say yes, yes, yes and then one conversation later say they won't meet unless it's at restaurant or coffee shop. Etc. Do they not understand we can meet in public in places other than eateries? I guess not.

I always propose coffee or lunch for a first meeting. A lot of my SB's find that disarming. For some reason, the women around here think Panera is the place to go. For me, Panera's are full of people but not too crowded. They have booths which gives a bit more privacy (versus Starbucks.) I always bring a briefcase and place a folder on the table when I arrive. The idea is that it looks like an interview or a business meeting. For the SB's it is a place they would like to go but usually cannot afford. It is safe, public but still discrete.

I agree with the poster who said asking them to meet in the hotel parking lot would just generate a lot of failed contacts. Anything that plays up the sex for money angle tends to be a big turn-off for most (but not all.).

RB.

[HollywoodGuy]

It's not due to romance on my part. Of all the true SBs I've ever hooked up with, not one of them would have returned my text message if I said meet me in the hotel parking lot. In the cities / states I've operated in, only a UTR girl would do that.

I do like to "go out" for a little nightlife when I am out of town, but that's more for my own benefit than theirs. I don't get to go bar hopping much these days, so being able to do so in a town where nobody knows me with a hot young girl on my arm is a lot of fun, it's kind of like a vacation for me. It's fun to watch guys half my age hit on them and get shot down, while they sit back and watch someone old enough to be their dad with their tongue down the hotties throat. However, drinks+restaurant food+hotel can get expensive so I don't recommend it for full time SDs.

In Hollywood things move a little faster. Starbucks is always a good choice.

[JZLizard]

You guys are too romantic. Try the parking lot of the motel. Works like a charm. I can only think of one time it didn't lead to the FC within 15 minutes. And that was only due to a misunderstanding about my rates.

It's not due to romance on my part. Of all the true SBs I've ever hooked up with, not one of them would have returned my text message if I said meet me in the hotel parking lot. In the cities / states I've operated in, only a UTR girl would do that.

I do like to "go out" for a little nightlife when I am out of town, but that's more for my own benefit than theirs. I don't get to go bar hopping much these days, so being able to do so in a town where nobody knows me with a hot young girl on my arm is a lot of fun, it's kind of like a vacation for me. It's fun to watch guys half my age hit on them and get shot down, while they sit back and watch someone old enough to be their dad with their tongue down the hotties throat. However, drinks+restaurant food+hotel can get expensive so I don't recommend it for full time SDs.

[FredMoore]

Need to rant, and where else can I say this? No Where. But what is it with these ladies who after I completely explain I am married, that I cannot go to dinner with them in my home town or anywhere nearby and they say they understand the need for discretion, etc and then when we go to set up a date the want me to take them to a local dinner or bar? I am very upfront about where and when I am able or willing to meet and they say yes, yes, yes and then one conversation later say they won't meet unless it's at restaurant or coffee shop. Etc. Do they not understand we can meet in public in places other than eateries? I guess not.

I have the same problem. Any other ideas? I like Hollywood's approach. JL is correct about acceptable meeting places but are not doable for local guys. I took a cute youngster to an upscale neighborhood eatery near her school against my better judgement. I spent $60 and was looking around the whole time wondering who knows who I am and will call the SO. It isn't worth it. To boot she wants to "court" before having sex. Next! Wasted $$ and took an unnecessary risk.

[HollywoodGuy]

Need to rant, and where else can I say this? No Where. But what is it with these ladies who after I completely explain I am married, that I cannot go to dinner with them in my home town or anywhere nearby and they say they understand the need for discretion, etc and then when we go to set up a date the want me to take them to a local dinner or bar? I am very upfront about where and when I am able or willing to meet and they say yes, yes, yes and then one conversation later say they won't meet unless it's at restaurant or coffee shop. Etc. Do they not understand we can meet in public in places other than eateries? I guess not.

You guys are too romantic. Try the parking lot of the motel. Works like a charm. I can only think of one time it didn't lead to the FC within 15 minutes. And that was only due to a misunderstanding about my rates.

[JZLizard]

Need to rant, and where else can I say this? No Where. But what is it with these ladies who after I completely explain I am married, that I cannot go to dinner with them in my home town or anywhere nearby and they say they understand the need for discretion, etc and then when we go to set up a date the want me to take them to a local dinner or bar? I am very upfront about where and when I am able or willing to meet and they say yes, yes, yes and then one conversation later say they won't meet unless it's at restaurant or coffee shop. Etc. Do they not understand we can meet in public in places other than eateries? I guess not.

It's that bars / restaurants etc. Are the norm for a meeting. If you say why don't we meet in the brake parts isle of Autozone it will seem awkward and make her uncomfortable. Restaurants / bars etc. Have a relaxed / social atmosphere.

What sort of alternate public place did you have in mind? Maybe there's something here I haven't thought of. You might try going to a restaurant 30-60 minutes away. Meeting SBs too close to home can lead to a lot of other problems -- if you're in a small enough pond that you can't find a safe restaurant, someone could spot you with her just about anywhere else as well.

[Dandy Don]

Need to rant, and where else can I say this? No Where. But what is it with these ladies who after I completely explain I am married, that I cannot go to dinner with them in my home town or anywhere nearby and they say they understand the need for discretion, etc and then when we go to set up a date the want me to take them to a local dinner or bar? I am very upfront about where and when I am able or willing to meet and they say yes, yes, yes and then one conversation later say they won't meet unless it's at restaurant or coffee shop. Etc. Do they not understand we can meet in public in places other than eateries? I guess not.

[SlowMo]

Blokes,

Just signed up for SA. Quickly stumble on this upbeat Boston girl. She was playful on email and fairly soon gave me her phone number for us to live chat a bit. She really stoke my ego, like a good SB should. Then she sent me a nice pic of her pre-run cleavage. So we setup a meeting one of those mornings. I get to her place and she welcomes me wearing a neglige showing massive cleavage and side boob. I'm thinking that it can't be that easy, and sure enough it wasn't. Turns out "slim" means different things to different people apparently. And her vocabulary would have been right at home at a truck stop. Plus the young lady has an extremely high opinion of herself. She needs her cocktails just so or she'll return them, etc. A princess really. She mentioned that her parents paid for everything until she was 26, so that explains a lot. The most I could pull off while I was there was a light foot rub. She flat out told me no sex on the first date. But she'd be happy to for $500 per week. I did manage to keep a straight face on, yet fairly soon departed. I let her know afterward that for $500 per week I could arrange a meeting with models who'd offer PSE, so I'll pass. Clearly this one hasn't flown on her own long enough. Folks in Boston, what is your experience of SB demands? Seems like college girls on the west coast can be satisfied with $100/ week. I doubt I can get that here, but any idea?

Thanks,

SM.

[UKnowWho]

you either have to tolerate getting mails you won't be able to read until you are a paying member again, or delete your account.

We should complain.

Yeah, that and girls who you're trying to keep on the back burner for the future seeing that you're logging in and therefore thinking you must be looking for someone new.

You should. I deleted my account, and wrote that in as the reason in the comment box they give you as part of the deletion process.

[Madaboutmax]

SD's don't give out contact info on their SB's. On a SW thread some guys do. Try that.

On another note. Anyone ever notice there is a higher percentage of submissive bigger girls as opposed to smaller ones? Unless they are really small then the pendulum swings back.

I agree. This thread is for sharing techniques, not for sharing SB's. It kind of defeats the purpose.

I don't know about bigger submissive girls, since I only date slim / athletic girls. I have been amazed by the high number of younger submissive girls. I think "Shades of Grey" has encouraged more girls to explore this side of their sexuality. I have actually learned to be much more dominant as a result.