"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-11-14 03:57

I,ve seen her 5 times in 2 months due to major distance problems. Its like a 2 hour drive. Too bad as she is a 8/9/9/9. Very normal girl. Almost too normal for me. She is a little older (28) so not too quick to make a rash decision about who she hangs with. Not sure how you guys deal with that. All the txting in the world isn't the same as seeing someone. But I am staying the course if she does.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-11-14 01:59

Originally Posted by DogRice [View Original Post]

HG,

You continue to be awesome hunting SBs in LA. I gave up after 2 months of no success w / even $200 per visit (had success before) earlier this year. In San Diego, the SB pool is pretty dry.

Nice to see your posting!! .

Today I txted with a true 18 year old NP hottie. I asked her. From all the messages you must have read, why did you choose me? And I got the same answer I always get. I seem laid back and I didn't push for sex on the first date. And when you are only offering $ a date does it really matter if you have to settle for a HJ or a BJ combined with a hot makeout session? Half of them at least are going to go for the full monty whether they say they are or not. And now the stage is set for date # 2. A girl would rather take $ with no pressure than $$$ and be backed into a corner. This only applies to NP's, because no UTR turns down $$$ or $$ (and about a third will take the $) . This does not apply to GPS girls, but no one is interested in them on this thread anyway. Unless you have some dream that you are going to talk them down, which never works and is a total waste of time.

Once, just because I knew this one UTR girl a while back was a little hot for me I started talking her down from $$$$. After 3 months I had her down to $.5 and still I refused to see her. In 3 months she could have easily seen me 12 times for a $. Instead she made nothing. It was just an experiment. Something I dont waste my time on. I believe there are too many willing girls. Actually I know for a fact there are, but it does take game. And thats why we are here, to improve our game. When I started I thought I was blessed to have a 9 or a 10 in looks girl under 22 bang me for $$$$. I just didnt know any better. Now I do.

By the time I got to this thread I was already at the $ level. But it cost me a lot more than that to get there and most of the girls were UTR's. Now its about 50/50 because I like UTR,s at the right price. But all my LTR's are NP's or if they are UTR they need to go exclusive except in rare circumstances. The bottom line is this. At a $ you can be flexible. At $$ or $$$ you expect to get it all and in this game there is no guarantee of that at any price.

Like the girl I quoted in the post below said "Every arrangement I've had is at least $500 per visit." Really? How many SD's have you had at 22? The answer is none. All she had were tricks. Because at that price even a newbie knows they can have a different 10 quality girl everyday for the rest of their life. So there is no incentive to be in a long term SD relationship. Actually in my area most pro 10's are $$$ a date. And it's not that easy to be a 10 in L.A.

**Dog Rice** · 09-11-14 00:32

HG,

You continue to be awesome hunting SBs in LA. I gave up after 2 months of no success w / even $200 per visit (had success before) earlier this year. In San Diego, the SB pool is pretty dry.

Nice to see your posting!! .

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Message the 10's all day as long as you don't mind getting the occasional disgruntled reply like the one I got this morning.

"$100 are you fucking kidding me? Every arrangement I've had is at least $500 per visit. You're gross and cheap. $100 doesn't even pay my car insurance. You're broke. ".

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLpr...rnia-SugarBaby

Lets see, at the moment I have over a dozen girls waiting for a first date that have agreed to my terms. Mostly younger and at least as good a body as hers.

It's just like when I post help wanted ads for a senior level programmer for 5k a month and the hate mail comes in saying "that job is worth at least 10k a month". But somehow I always manage to hire who I need, and I certainly don't need any attitude other than gratitude.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-10-14 21:58

Originally Posted by Beachesnole02 [View Original Post]

I agree that you may well be surprised about what even the hot babes will accept, both in terms of money and in your appearance. The problem I find is that the 10's are so used to guys going gaga over them that are real disappointments in bed. That whole "I'm naked why aren't you hard yet" syndrome. They will let you do anything to them, but in terms of reciprocating, making it interesting, they just balk. A good 8-9 tends to be a lot better in the sack in my experience.

I just read this. And I am dying laughing. I heard those exact words one time from a so called 10. And if I knew she was going to suck my dick like it was the last meal on earth, I would have been. Unfortunately she was a dead fish that just liked getting pounded for 2 hours with little or no response. Not too exciting.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-10-14 12:55

Message the 10's all day as long as you don't mind getting the occasional disgruntled reply like the one I got this morning.

"$100 are you fucking kidding me? Every arrangement I've had is at least $500 per visit. You're gross and cheap. $100 doesn't even pay my car insurance. You're broke. ".

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLpr...rnia-SugarBaby

Lets see, at the moment I have over a dozen girls waiting for a first date that have agreed to my terms. Mostly younger and at least as good a body as hers.

It's just like when I post help wanted ads for a senior level programmer for 5k a month and the hate mail comes in saying "that job is worth at least 10k a month". But somehow I always manage to hire who I need, and I certainly don't need any attitude other than gratitude.

**Beachesnole02** · 09-10-14 10:59

I agree that you may well be surprised about what even the hot babes will accept, both in terms of money and in your appearance. The problem I find is that the 10's are so used to guys going gaga over them that are real disappointments in bed. That whole "I'm naked why aren't you hard yet" syndrome. They will let you do anything to them, but in terms of reciprocating, making it interesting, they just balk. A good 8-9 tends to be a lot better in the sack in my experience.

**Norm Gerd** · 09-10-14 10:55

Originally Posted by Rouleur [View Original Post]

In my contacting what many would consider a 10 on the SD / SB site I belong to, I've had good results. I basically ingnore the Sugar Baby's cost requirements not in small part to the wisdom I've learned here.

I don't have a public photo so I think it helps as my Profile is sort of a filter before I send my photos per the SB's request. I have to admit that initially I self censored as far as looks go. However at one point I said Fk'it I'm the one with the money so what the hell. Not every 10 responds to my notes but more than I would have thought possible. I've met two of them, had fun, and continue to see one of them though not on a formal allowance basis. It is a cliche' but my life experience has shown me time and again that sometimes the loneliest woman in the room is the 10. Oh, and by the way, as far as my looks go I am very very average in appearance.

I'm glad you posted this comment, because it brings up a topic I wanted to share. There has been a lot of discussion about photos in the past, and I know there is a difference of opinion on posting them, not posting them, or posting "similar looking" photos. I wanted to share my recent observations with the group. I have multiple SD accounts on different sites. The main one is SD (ie). Com and secondarily, SD4 M. But I also have a little used SA account. Little used because without a membership there is zero way to make any headway with a SB. But because SA used to allow you to send a message if you posted a photo, I decided to put one up. I blurred my face, and scrubbed any identifying data from the photo. I also did a google image search on the photo to ensure it did not link back to me in any way. I then posted the blurred photo. To my surprise, the number of times my profile was viewed, favorited and messaged increased exponentially! To say I was surprised would be an understatement. So based completely on my own unscientific observations, having even a blurred photo makes a huge difference.

Norm!

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-09-14 23:52

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I have a question I would like to pose to the assembled Brotherhood: when browsing whatever site you are using to find your babies, do you intentionally not message anyone who you think is beyond your grasp? I'm not talking about "financial expectations", which SA helpfully puts on the intro page now, but just relative hotness factor. I am experiencing an interesting phenomenon as I re-enter the bowl, and it may be due to being a little rusty, but I'm bypassing babies who I think are too hot for me!

WTF!

And yet, I am not giving a second thought to their financial requirements, since that is often an indication of their own self-delusion more than the reality of what it will actually take to get them naked. I've talked my way into more than a few pussies who's entry fee was listed as "substantial" for the cost of a dinner and a couple of benjis.

Just curious if any of you are bypassing those 10's because you're a 7. Somebody's got to fuck them after all!

Scott.

It only takes a second to message anyone. Why not hit them all up?. My only dry spot are these super MILFS. I refuse to play their game or pay their price. Same with the Russian girls, and I don't mean the fake ones. My last SB was a 10, but unfortunately not in the bedroom.

**Rouleur** · 09-09-14 17:46

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I have a question I would like to pose to the assembled Brotherhood: when browsing whatever site you are using to find your babies, do you intentionally not message anyone who you think is beyond your grasp? I'm not talking about "financial expectations", which SA helpfully puts on the intro page now, but just relative hotness factor. I am experiencing an interesting phenomenon as I re-enter the bowl, and it may be due to being a little rusty, but I'm bypassing babies who I think are too hot for me!

WTF!

And yet, I am not giving a second thought to their financial requirements, since that is often an indication of their own self-delusion more than the reality of what it will actually take to get them naked. I've talked my way into more than a few pussies who's entry fee was listed as "substantial" for the cost of a dinner and a couple of benjis.

Just curious if any of you are bypassing those 10's because you're a 7. Somebody's got to fuck them after all!

Scott.

In my contacting what many would consider a 10 on the SD / SB site I belong to, I've had good results. I basically ingnore the Sugar Baby's cost requirements not in small part to the wisdom I've learned here.

I don't have a public photo so I think it helps as my Profile is sort of a filter before I send my photos per the SB's request. I have to admit that initially I self censored as far as looks go. However at one point I said Fk'it I'm the one with the money so what the hell. Not every 10 responds to my notes but more than I would have thought possible. I've met two of them, had fun, and continue to see one of them though not on a formal allowance basis. It is a cliche' but my life experience has shown me time and again that sometimes the loneliest woman in the room is the 10. Oh, and by the way, as far as my looks go I am very very average in appearance.

**FredMoore** · 09-09-14 17:30

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I have a question I would like to pose to the assembled Brotherhood: when browsing whatever site you are using to find your babies, do you intentionally not message anyone who you think is beyond your grasp? I'm not talking about "financial expectations", which SA helpfully puts on the intro page now, but just relative hotness factor. I am experiencing an interesting phenomenon as I re-enter the bowl, and it may be due to being a little rusty, but I'm bypassing babies who I think are too hot for me!

Scott.

Scotty, I find I have better luck with the 7 to 9 crowd. I still hit up all cummers but I think the super hotties are too self absorbed to nail dowm (so to speak) They tend to be GPS to be specific.

**JZLizard** · 09-09-14 17:19

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I have a question I would like to pose to the assembled Brotherhood: when browsing whatever site you are using to find your babies, do you intentionally not message anyone who you think is beyond your grasp? I'm not talking about "financial expectations", which SA helpfully puts on the intro page now, but just relative hotness factor. I am experiencing an interesting phenomenon as I re-enter the bowl, and it may be due to being a little rusty, but I'm bypassing babies who I think are too hot for me!

WTF!

And yet, I am not giving a second thought to their financial requirements, since that is often an indication of their own self-delusion more than the reality of what it will actually take to get them naked. I've talked my way into more than a few pussies who's entry fee was listed as "substantial" for the cost of a dinner and a couple of benjis.

Just curious if any of you are bypassing those 10's because you're a 7. Somebody's got to fuck them after all!

Scott.

I like them slim, young and hot, the hotter the better, so the farther away they drift from a 10 the less interested I am in contacting them at all. But, I am a part-time seasonal SD with very limited time so I have to keep the focus on the ones I really want. There will be some I'm not their type, there will be some who I want to reply but they don't until 2 months later, and there will be some that I thought were SBs that turn out to be escorts or GPS hoes or whatever, so when I contact the ones I really want, it's already understood I'm not going to get all of them. But when dealing with women, confidence is everything and more important than money, so go into it with that attitude and you'll make out better no matter what. Rejection, or just being plain ignored, is a normal part of any online dating. Hunting them down in bars is no different -- sometimes a girl acts holier than thou when you first approach her and an hour later she's blowing you in the parking lot. If you are defeated before you ever walk up to her, you end up with nothing.

If the real world acceptance rate you're seeing is not to your liking, send out more initial contacts. Cast a wide net.

**F Scott** · 09-09-14 17:06

Gentlemen,

I have a question I would like to pose to the assembled Brotherhood: when browsing whatever site you are using to find your babies, do you intentionally not message anyone who you think is beyond your grasp? I'm not talking about "financial expectations", which SA helpfully puts on the intro page now, but just relative hotness factor. I am experiencing an interesting phenomenon as I re-enter the bowl, and it may be due to being a little rusty, but I'm bypassing babies who I think are too hot for me!

WTF!

And yet, I am not giving a second thought to their financial requirements, since that is often an indication of their own self-delusion more than the reality of what it will actually take to get them naked. I've talked my way into more than a few pussies who's entry fee was listed as "substantial" for the cost of a dinner and a couple of benjis.

Just curious if any of you are bypassing those 10's because you're a 7. Somebody's got to fuck them after all!

Scott.

**F Scott** · 09-09-14 16:34

Originally Posted by Dsprdo [View Original Post]

In Illinois it is twenty percent of your after tax income, and a sympathetic judge can actually up that.

Well, I guess I should hope for an out-of-court arrangement, if it comes to that!

**Dsprdo** · 09-09-14 08:25

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

I could hide child support depending on how much it would be, I'm pretty sure, since I will be starting up another company once things calm down after the move.

In Illinois it is twenty percent of your after tax income, and a sympathetic judge can actually up that.

**F Scott** · 09-09-14 00:10

Originally Posted by Graham111 [View Original Post]

I shoot blanks. Had a new baby two weeks ago and driving for home. "I shoot blanks". "are you sure" yes I am. Lot's of fun. Post about another adventure shortly.

Did some of your sentences get left out?