The Rat Trap

[Tungphumaster]

It might be ludacris, but I think I am a little jealous of A2. Keep up the good work and party on!

I've read lots of guys wondering or speculating why the ax fell. I got an email from him accusing me of being jealous of him. Some said it was the content.

Jealousy is ludicrous, I earn a shit ton of money when leveraged with the local economy here, [clarification: I'm not saying I earn a shit ton of money. It would be modest in the USA, but here it's a ton] I'm single, have a nice apartment in a huge house that has a stripper pole in the living room, live in a beautiful city that has 30,000 sex workers, and the hobby isn't against the law. I could proposition a lady cop, in uniform, standing in front of a judge, on camera and wouldn't get arrested. Here's the real kicker, I get PAID to do this. I wouldn't trade my life for anybodies.

Content, go to Detroit and read Motor City Mayhem, those guys fucking hate me and I haven't banned any of them.

Really, at the end of the day it was time. I moderate 8,000 odd threads on this forum, Orlando has 20. We appreciate the hell out of the membership here but nobodies paying any money and we have found out that while individuals hate it, the collective wants the douchebaggery limited. He wanted to build a cult of personality. Only Jackson, and myself to a lesser degree, are allowed to do that. It's Jax's right as the owner, and my responsibility to nudge the forum in ways we want it to go. We can't move it, there are too many of you guys, but a year or so ago we decided that we really wanted to stop most of the fighting on the review threads so we started cracking down on them and created threads like this. Now guys that don't want to get into the social spatting and are just here for the pussy can read what they want. Take a look at the Front Page stats sometime, there are usually 3 X guests for every member. Our advertisers pay for those guys and we put our money on the fact that most of them want to come here anonymously, read about pussy, and not waste time. Our numbers have proved us right.

I have formed my own opinion regarding the purpose of his posting, you all are welcome to evaluate the data and form yours. I have to admit it was quite a learning experience for me. At the end of the day his self promotion and refusal to do what I told him to do, constantly pushing every rule and restriction to the limit, and knowing that was never, ever going to stop, just took up too much of my time. Have we seen the last of him? Hardly. I'm sure my work has not come to an end, but that's why I make the big money.

Good day,

A2.

[Admin2]

I've read lots of guys wondering or speculating why the ax fell. I got an email from him accusing me of being jealous of him. Some said it was the content.

Jealousy is ludicrous, I earn a shit ton of money when leveraged with the local economy here, [clarification: I'm not saying I earn a shit ton of money. It would be modest in the USA, but here it's a ton] I'm single, have a nice apartment in a huge house that has a stripper pole in the living room, live in a beautiful city that has 30,000 sex workers, and the hobby isn't against the law. I could proposition a lady cop, in uniform, standing in front of a judge, on camera and wouldn't get arrested. Here's the real kicker, I get PAID to do this. I wouldn't trade my life for anybodies.

Content, go to Detroit and read Motor City Mayhem, those guys fucking hate me and I haven't banned any of them.

Really, at the end of the day it was time. I moderate 8,000 odd threads on this forum, Orlando has 20. We appreciate the hell out of the membership here but nobodies paying any money and we have found out that while individuals hate it, the collective wants the douchebaggery limited. He wanted to build a cult of personality. Only Jackson, and myself to a lesser degree, are allowed to do that. It's Jax's right as the owner, and my responsibility to nudge the forum in ways we want it to go. We can't move it, there are too many of you guys, but a year or so ago we decided that we really wanted to stop most of the fighting on the review threads so we started cracking down on them and created threads like this. Now guys that don't want to get into the social spatting and are just here for the pussy can read what they want. Take a look at the Front Page stats sometime, there are usually 3 X guests for every member. Our advertisers pay for those guys and we put our money on the fact that most of them want to come here anonymously, read about pussy, and not waste time. Our numbers have proved us right.

I have formed my own opinion regarding the purpose of his posting, you all are welcome to evaluate the data and form yours. I have to admit it was quite a learning experience for me. At the end of the day his self promotion and refusal to do what I told him to do, constantly pushing every rule and restriction to the limit, and knowing that was never, ever going to stop, just took up too much of my time. Have we seen the last of him? Hardly. I'm sure my work has not come to an end, but that's why I make the big money.

Good day,

A2.

[Outdoorsman]

I say good for A2 for dealing with it, also have come to enjoy his dry sense of humor. "Dad is going to stop the car" is hysterical.

I stopped reading Jags illeistic pontifications some time ago. He lost me when he told us how to groom ourselves.

I do think he made some great contributions (and tossed around a bunch of bullshit) but in the end just felt bad for him. I too reached out to him and he was nice enough to reply but also made (but as now appears to be common) asked that I publicly call him out and thank him. I did so but as I read future call outs I realized they must have received the same request.

I've met Jag dozens do times (not literally) at the office, sitting next to him on a plane, at a party, on the first tee, etc. In the begining you think what a nice charming knowledgable guy but before too long you realize this guy won't shut up and is constantly building castles in the sky and validating / promoting himself. With these guys it also comes down to them promoting how much money they want you to think they have.

I respect those that think he hung the moon too.

Maybe this is a good thing for him so he can take stock in himself, I know I have to do that from time to time but agree with a previous post that he's still here under one of his other names.

[Member #4882]

Minion Army ID's. I called him out early is his game, but I to Violated TOS. And bit about 50 infractions. He was bragging on the board and back channel that he had gotten rid of me. Decided to lay low until he self distructed.

My two cents:

I disliked Jag. I am certain he lied multiple times. Many of his posts were either blatant fiction, or veiled advertisements. I didn't believe anything he said. I openly confronted him, called him names, and had posts wiped out by A2 because I violated TOS. I even blocked him so I wouldn't receive his PMs or be subjected to any more of his horrific posts. But even with all that animosity, I have mixed feelings about his removal from the board. It's much the same way I feel with regard to politics. I may not agree with your perspective, but I will fight for your right to speak freely. (Sorry, it's the old military man coming out.)

Jay.

Wow, two days away and I had to scroll down to page four to catch up!

His demise was a product of his own for trying to go against A2. All he had to do was either 'fess up, or stay quiet. So his own words fashioned the noose that was used to hang him.

As far as his return, that one is easy. Just look for the next new member with yet another "King" moniker.

[Camera3]

SS,

What is The Plunger Subject?

I am just curious what I said about it and why I defended it?

I try to keep up with all the current street slang but it is hard. I just learned tonight what a Side Slice was. I have no idea why it is called that, but at least I now know what it is.

C3.

This Is What Triggers MY Suspensions. The Plunger subject has not been mentioned in about 5 pages then all the sudden defense on the subject.

SavannaSwagger.

[WilliamMstrs]

Jag's banned, threads closed. I told him to knock it off with the minion army. Any of you guys that wish to go with him may.

If you wish to look up his old posts they are now listed under "Relentless self promoter and pain in my ass."

A2

Wow, two days away and I had to scroll down to page four to catch up!

His demise was a product of his own for trying to go against A2. All he had to do was either 'fess up, or stay quiet. So his own words fashioned the noose that was used to hang him.

As far as his return, that one is easy. Just look for the next new member with yet another "King" moniker.

[PharmaGuy]

I agree with most of what you said here and had advised Jag many times like you did to not worry about what others are saying about him. I said to him he should stop fighting with A2 and not argue with everyone hating on him. It was like running into a brick wall for him, but he just could not let it go.

My question to you and the others that are lumping people together that have said favorable things about Jag, is how come you use terms like posse, followers, minions, subordinates etc. ? You must realize those are highly insulting terms? How would you like it if you were called a follower or subordinate of Very Slowly or A2 or Vino? Not much, I would venture to guess? I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't follow anyone. I have never seen any lady that Jag saw. I asked his opinion about B2B Jackie and also asked the same question of several other board members. I decided not to see her for now based on the intel I gathered and I have something good going with someone else at the moment. I gave Jag info on 3 ladies I have seen and as far as I know, he has not seen any of them yet. I PMd with Jag and he was always super polite to me even when he did not agree with me about him to stop doing battle with those that don't care for him. I found his posts entertaining, but never spent much thought about if they were real or his imagination. I did not care one way or the other. I probably was never going to see any of them anyway. I did not judge Jag on his writing style or libido, which differ greatly from my way of doing things. Everybody does their own thing way and I try to respect that. I have a tendency to want to help an underdog or someone being picked on. Maybe that is a character flaw I have.

I am not in the Jag posse or a follower. I read what people post, PM with some of you and form my own opinions. Just because my conclusions may differ from some of you that criticize the Jag, that doen't make me some sort of minion. Probably most of the people that are being labeled as Jag cronies are much like me. We viewed the evidence presented and had our say about the situation.

Lastly I would say, I do agree that A2 does a great job. He can not tell us all what Jag did or how annoying Jag was to him. A2 has much to do and it is not fair to him to be expected to deal so much with one person. Not just dealing with Jag directly, but all of those people hating on him and everyone that had something kind to say about Jag. I responded to PharmaGuy's post, but this was not directed only to him, but everyone using highly derogatory terms like follower, minion, etc.

You are correct, subordinate was a poor choice of words. And not necessarily aimed at you.

[Member #4882]

This is a private members forum. Ask my infractions filled ass. But on getting rid on The Pain in The Ass Self Promoting.

What Took A2 So Long. Good Riddance. He ruined the lives of many legit LMT's.

[Jay7005]

My two cents:

I disliked Jag. I am certain he lied multiple times. Many of his posts were either blatant fiction, or veiled advertisements. I didn't believe anything he said. I openly confronted him, called him names, and had posts wiped out by A2 because I violated TOS. I even blocked him so I wouldn't receive his PMs or be subjected to any more of his horrific posts. But even with all that animosity, I have mixed feelings about his removal from the board. It's much the same way I feel with regard to politics. I may not agree with your perspective, but I will fight for your right to speak freely. (Sorry, it's the old military man coming out.)

Jay.

[Otwist]

I was worried somewhere down the line something like this could happen and that is why.

NO GIRL knows my handle.

I to found a couple of his posse coming at me, but I instilled a stance of diplomacy and that usually quelled the situation. Jag also came at me with a couple tough words though we were able to hash it out though a bevy of PM's. He was pretty livid about the circumstances so I was not surprised, but we managed to settle our differences. I guess you can say he brought this on himself, the punishment is pretty harsh, not what I wanted as the final resolution, but A2 must of had damn good reason. I think if Jag said, 'hey its their word against mine, I am going to stay above the fray and I am going back to doing what I do best and review hot providers, believe what you want' (whether erroneous or not) . I feel then the dust would have settled, peace restored and possibly a different outcome for the 'time being.' ('I say 'time being,') because in the real world if what was happening is true, it could not be continued. Though it appears like some kind of drug kingpin still ordering hits from prison, the Jag had his subordinates came after A2 with disasterous results. I tried to warn the man of the consequences, all in vain. Jag was furious after being locked in his cage and not being offered a chance of rebuttal, therefore this was his only vehicle to do so. I have never revealed my Jag file to the board or A2, and I will not since the man is not here to defend himself. I have no clue what A2 has in his Jag file but I am sure he had plethora of juicy material to justify dropping of the gavel. The Jag has to be defcon1 right now but in the end he will land on his feet, find a home elsewhere, and in the grand scheme of things I believe we have not heard the last of the Jag.

I agree with most of what you said here and had advised Jag many times like you did to not worry about what others are saying about him. I said to him he should stop fighting with A2 and not argue with everyone hating on him. It was like running into a brick wall for him, but he just could not let it go.

My question to you and the others that are lumping people together that have said favorable things about Jag, is how come you use terms like posse, followers, minions, subordinates etc. ? You must realize those are highly insulting terms? How would you like it if you were called a follower or subordinate of Very Slowly or A2 or Vino? Not much, I would venture to guess? I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't follow anyone. I have never seen any lady that Jag saw. I asked his opinion about B2B Jackie and also asked the same question of several other board members. I decided not to see her for now based on the intel I gathered and I have something good going with someone else at the moment. I gave Jag info on 3 ladies I have seen and as far as I know, he has not seen any of them yet. I PMd with Jag and he was always super polite to me even when he did not agree with me about him to stop doing battle with those that don't care for him. I found his posts entertaining, but never spent much thought about if they were real or his imagination. I did not care one way or the other. I probably was never going to see any of them anyway. I did not judge Jag on his writing style or libido, which differ greatly from my way of doing things. Everybody does their own thing way and I try to respect that. I have a tendency to want to help an underdog or someone being picked on. Maybe that is a character flaw I have.

I am not in the Jag posse or a follower. I read what people post, PM with some of you and form my own opinions. Just because my conclusions may differ from some of you that criticize the Jag, that doen't make me some sort of minion. Probably most of the people that are being labeled as Jag cronies are much like me. We viewed the evidence presented and had our say about the situation.

Lastly I would say, I do agree that A2 does a great job. He can not tell us all what Jag did or how annoying Jag was to him. A2 has much to do and it is not fair to him to be expected to deal so much with one person. Not just dealing with Jag directly, but all of those people hating on him and everyone that had something kind to say about Jag. I responded to PharmaGuy's post, but this was not directed only to him, but everyone using highly derogatory terms like follower, minion, etc.

[PharmaGuy]

The ' Fallen Peasant ' has sent me a PM that wasn't very nice and if anybody wants to read it just PM me and you can see for yourself that he isn't the stand up guy he portrays on these forums. On that note he and I dislike one another. He had one of his cronies PM and ask if I was jealous of him. My reply here is no because I have seen 3 Providers that he can't get a sniff of let alone a dream to the tune of 31 times and each week you can add at least 2 more to that total. I will say this though he knows my full name, where I live and where I work compliments of an old ATF. I harbor no ill will towards this provider. It is what it is. Ironically the only provider that I had interest in seeing that this jag off has seen is Jemma. So Jemma I give you kudos for not taking any shit from this FORMER SM and taking a stand. I would definitely like to have a dream with you in the future.

I was worried somewhere down the line something like this could happen and that is why.

NO GIRL knows my handle.

I to found a couple of his posse coming at me, but I instilled a stance of diplomacy and that usually quelled the situation. Jag also came at me with a couple tough words though we were able to hash it out though a bevy of PM's. He was pretty livid about the circumstances so I was not surprised, but we managed to settle our differences. I guess you can say he brought this on himself, the punishment is pretty harsh, not what I wanted as the final resolution, but A2 must of had damn good reason. I think if Jag said, 'hey its their word against mine, I am going to stay above the fray and I am going back to doing what I do best and review hot providers, believe what you want' (whether erroneous or not) . I feel then the dust would have settled, peace restored and possibly a different outcome for the 'time being.' ('I say 'time being,') because in the real world if what was happening is true, it could not be continued. Though it appears like some kind of drug kingpin still ordering hits from prison, the Jag had his subordinates came after A2 with disasterous results. I tried to warn the man of the consequences, all in vain. Jag was furious after being locked in his cage and not being offered a chance of rebuttal, therefore this was his only vehicle to do so. I have never revealed my Jag file to the board or A2, and I will not since the man is not here to defend himself. I have no clue what A2 has in his Jag file but I am sure he had plethora of juicy material to justify dropping of the gavel. The Jag has to be defcon1 right now but in the end he will land on his feet, find a home elsewhere, and in the grand scheme of things I believe we have not heard the last of the Jag.

[JemaRae]

Seriously, I have never seen so many men worship someone that speaks about about how great he is with a woman, in a long story, when all we want to know is how the woman is. Don't really give a shit how the man performs, only the woman. I don't post on here much but since Jag has PM'd me and gave me some feedback on several providers and every one was a bust and totally different results. I'm sure some of you have ran into a few that he reported on came through because he reported on almost every woman in Orlando. I could do that just reading the board.

Just a word for the upcoming story tellers, keep it to the provider, we really don't care about what a stud you may think you are. Keep to our interests, finding a fine provider.

Sorry but had to vent after reading these.

Jema, don't know you but I lean to believing you.

Well thank you! This was never a contest to me or anything like that. I just wanted it to be known that I do not offer that and never have. As for jag, that guy is something else. Even though I didn't care for him and I don't know why he got banned, but if it had anything to do with what's been going on lately. It wasnt ny intention.

[BlackPrince]

(Leaving the bathroom after shaving).

I actually Jag, I actually like the Admin's style to a certain degree. You got to have nuts to take on the popular hobbyists for the sake of the board. First off I have been on every major board and seen things crumble. Utopia guide, Big Doggy and etc. USA Sex guide right now is the big plate, it can get even bigger. However, throwing hobbyists over the rail unless they snitched, told a girl's phone or showed her mug shot is justified. HOWEVER, if hobbyists lies to a certain degree like most of all you do. That is a different story. If you lie and never seen the girl but gave her a bad review. I do think you should be looked at twice. Admin so far handled the Little Meech situation very good. Admin handled many things really good. However he is not immune to nut riding himself. Just because you are an admin does not make you bigger than the game. In reality the girls power this game, the streets as well because that is where the girls get their street medicine from. Jag, prior to whatever he did. I really don't know because I am really out here getting girls for like 4 years now. From my understanding, he contributed more positive things than negative. If he put you onto a girl and you ain't like the girl. Well, go get the girl on you're own. Personally, I do not count on anybody getting me a girl. If a hobbyist ask me to put him on. I am always willingly to look at out for them. Do I have to do that? Na, I don't have to do that. The last girl that I thought was BAD as hell, the lebanese girl I met on Colonial, she disappeared because a cat fell in love with her. LOL I guess he saved her or whatever man. Yeah Tammy was her name. I am not going to totally blame the hobbyists because she was sort of a square from the beginning. She said, she was a real estate broker and that her rich man dropped her. However the story go, she is gone now. She was one of the baddest white girls I've seen in the street in 4 years. I cannot even lie. By the way, I see black girls 99 percent of the time but she was the exception to the rule. I give credit where its due bottom line.

Lastly, the REAL issue is there is no talent in this game. No disrespect to Jersey girl, Paige, Froggy, Joy, Nikki (she is cute), Heather, Strawberry, damn if I let you're name out I apologize for that. Outside of that, there is no talent. Banning people you do not like will not change that at all. Admin trying to make cats happy by stepping in all the time will not CHANGE THAT. If anything, the few girls that got potential will just move on. By the way, I like Savannah, but Savannah hurt the board in a way by saying that bs on backpage. Listen, Savannah had her reasons for going after cats on this board. That was on some Vino sh&t that got us dragged into it. If Vino wasn't making love to Savannah while she was off her meds. She wouldn't be jumping out the window. LOL Anyway, Vino is my guy though. Every hobbyist has done some Vino sh&t. That is why I laugh at the whole thing. If Admin wants to enforce rules, enforce them equally and fairly. Who gave Jag his own thread and turn around and ban him? Who gave Heather her own thread, yet she brushed hobbyists off, does not answer the door, she on that street medicine. Yet Jersey, Paige, Froggy, Joy and others put in "the work". Heather has talent and the looks but if you're attendance and flakiness is a problem. I wouldn't give you no damn thread.

Y'all be safe.

Drewbruski.

[Camera3]

I just got back in town for a few days before heading back on the next tour. I just read, I don't know, maybe a dozen pages or so on the Rat Trap. Lots of drama. Pretty fucking entertaining, in my humble opinion.

The week sucked for me because I was so looking forward to being in the same town as my absolute all time, all time favorite, in a little town in NC. Well, last weekend she fell off her horse and broke her leg. Pretty lame excuse for cancelling, OK, bad pun. I have a backup in that town. Her phone was disconnected. Not looking good. So, there I was, all dressed up (meaning, I had already taken the blue pill and Mr. Happy was thinking loudly) and no place to go, so I hit the BP and honed in on a MILF that sounded interesting. Well, I broke my own rule and paid the price. That was the absolute worst experience. I will be writing a review of the worst case of bait and switch non-provider of my hobby career on that local board, but, as I said, my own fault for skipping a step or two in the whole due diligence thing.

Someone things Paige and Ginger are the same girl? Really? I don't even know how to respond to that. Those two girls are not even living on the same planet. Not that one is better than the other, they are just complete opposites in pretty much every way.

Ode to Jag. So, here we are, celebrating, or mourning, the end of a legend. Hats off to A2 for really trying to give the guy a second, third, fourth or even fifth chance. In the end, the Jag was his own worst enemy. He definitely is proof that if you have lots of money you can get lots of pussy. But any of us that think we are somehow a super stud because we get laid a lot because we pay for it is delusional. So, it appears, Jag had followers that believed in him. But Jag's undoing is he believe in himself too much. Did he offer good intel? Let's see. Yeah, there is one he told me about. So, yeah, he did give some good intel in between the embellishments and pure fiction. But I will miss him.

Yes, USASG and TER are competitors. Why would anyone think they aren't?

And about A2 having to stop the car. I run into A2 as I travel. He is busy in other towns, too, so he is an equal opportunity curmudgeon. I still think he is really a pimply face kid named Sonny that he runs this board on a couple of Comodore 64's in his mom's basement in Lincoln, Nebraska. I am just grateful for the board and all the work Sonny puts into it and I sincerely hope he makes more money than he can possibly spend and keeps up the good work.

C3.

[DreamForever69]

The ' Fallen Peasant ' has sent me a PM that wasn't very nice and if anybody wants to read it just PM me and you can see for yourself that he isn't the stand up guy he portrays on these forums. On that note he and I dislike one another. He had one of his cronies PM and ask if I was jealous of him. My reply here is no because I have seen 3 Providers that he can't get a sniff of let alone a dream to the tune of 31 times and each week you can add at least 2 more to that total. I will say this though he knows my full name, where I live and where I work compliments of an old ATF. I harbor no ill will towards this provider. It is what it is. Ironically the only provider that I had interest in seeing that this jag off has seen is Jemma. So Jemma I give you kudos for not taking any shit from this FORMER SM and taking a stand. I would definitely like to have a dream with you in the future.