"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Dsprdo** · 08-14-14 13:21

Originally Posted by Jayb20 [View Original Post]

Fred,

"To put pants on the problem": 1) I gave it to her after the deed, twice (have been a monger for a while). Have written her off, but just wanted to see if you guys had undergone something like that.

I've had a couple of girls recently that I saw once, thought everything went well, including the sex, who then faded away. One was a stripper, they are notoriously flakey anyway, and I think she decided after the fact that she agreed to too low an allowance. She texted a little for a while, then kind of faded away (and too bad, the sex was awesome, I would have given her a raise if she wanted to continue and was reliable). The second went on and on about how much fun she had with me, told me she was off of SA (and she hasn't logged in since) but was too busy to see me for the next week or so then also went radio silent. She lived kind of far from me and has a real job, I assume either it was just too logistically difficult or she decided she wasn't into the SB thing after all. It's funny, some are too clingy and some vanish, hard to explain the minds of these beautiful creatures called women.

**Jayb20** · 08-14-14 12:05

Fred,

"To put pants on the problem": 1) I gave it to her after the deed, twice (have been a monger for a while). Have written her off, but just wanted to see if you guys had undergone something like that. 2) She quoted $300 per visit--she's chubby and sounds like a pro -- not into that. I'll take a line from FeelGoodMD and email her a similar repsonse.

Thanks guys,

J.

Keep safe / and remember now there's a cure for Hep see.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

Welcome to the Bowl Jay. Re: your issues;.

1) I assume you gave her $ without a trip to the FC? This is a newbie mistake. NEVER give money ahead of performance. We all get suckered in somehow at one time or another, but try not to violate that standard. It's like playing the slots. Occasionally you will get a hit but most of the time you are throwing money down the rabbit hole. She cried because she couldn't believe what a sucker she had landed. Money for nothing? Whaaaaaat? She might have had a change of heart playing this game, her abusive SO might have caught her going through her email, she wasn't into you. Who knows? Write her off and forget about it.

2) This girl sounds like a Professional SB. She might be an escort. Get a price up front and how much time she is willing to spend with you before wasting your time and money. .

**FredMoore** · 08-14-14 11:30

Any guys shop that market? If so PM me please.

**FredMoore** · 08-14-14 09:09

Originally Posted by Jayb20 [View Original Post]

Hey brothers, longtime lurker, first time poster on this specific thread. (I usually partake in BP, Indys, etc.). But I realized I like the thrill of the hunt and something a little more recurrent so I saw this thread and had been reading it. I have a couple of questions for why'all. Started an SDToday account since it was free and had a couple of hits which left me wondering. 1) This was a 35 yo who emailed back and forth and went out for dinner. There was no mention of money initially but she did say she understood what the site was about. She came back, told me about her ex who was abusive, had a couple of pops. My question: as she was leaving I gave her $. 0 (and previoiusly bought dinner and a pack of smokes). She started crying and said how much she really appreciated it. I don't think she even really expected it and would definitely call me once she got her cell. She's never got a hold of me, I've emailed her, and an email to her account is unread. Any thoughts on what happened? 2) I've got another hit that I'm supposed to meet tomorrow. She says she's been out a bunch and has been flown out to CA and Florida (from NY) and had guys visit her from Italy and Turkey before. We've never discussed stipend and is totally cool for meeting directly at a hotel if I'm up for it. I almost feel like I'm walking into a bad situation. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance and I'll continue to post (I'm in the PA / NY area but am starting to move south towards the DC / NOVA area so I'll try to contribute when I can. J.

Welcome to the Bowl Jay. Re: your issues;.

1) I assume you gave her $ without a trip to the FC? This is a newbie mistake. NEVER give money ahead of performance. We all get suckered in somehow at one time or another, but try not to violate that standard. It's like playing the slots. Occasionally you will get a hit but most of the time you are throwing money down the rabbit hole. She cried because she couldn't believe what a sucker she had landed. Money for nothing? Whaaaaaat? She might have had a change of heart playing this game, her abusive SO might have caught her going through her email, she wasn't into you. Who knows? Write her off and forget about it.

2) This girl sounds like a Professional SB. She might be an escort. Get a price up front and how much time she is willing to spend with you before wasting your time and money. .

**Jayb20** · 08-14-14 01:11

Hey brothers, longtime lurker, first time poster on this specific thread. (I usually partake in BP, Indys, etc.). But I realized I like the thrill of the hunt and something a little more recurrent so I saw this thread and had been reading it. I have a couple of questions for why'all. Started an SDToday account since it was free and had a couple of hits which left me wondering. 1) This was a 35 yo who emailed back and forth and went out for dinner. There was no mention of money initially but she did say she understood what the site was about. She came back, told me about her ex who was abusive, had a couple of pops. My question: as she was leaving I gave her $. 0 (and previoiusly bought dinner and a pack of smokes). She started crying and said how much she really appreciated it. I don't think she even really expected it and would definitely call me once she got her cell. She's never got a hold of me, I've emailed her, and an email to her account is unread. Any thoughts on what happened? 2) I've got another hit that I'm supposed to meet tomorrow. She says she's been out a bunch and has been flown out to CA and Florida (from NY) and had guys visit her from Italy and Turkey before. We've never discussed stipend and is totally cool for meeting directly at a hotel if I'm up for it. I almost feel like I'm walking into a bad situation. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance and I'll continue to post (I'm in the PA / NY area but am starting to move south towards the DC / NOVA area so I'll try to contribute when I can. J.

**Golfcart** · 08-14-14 00:38

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Most girls tell me one of the biggest reasons they break it off with their SD is that he is too clingy and requires too much communication. They are usually happy except for this one thing. I say keep her and just back off a little.

Women see clingy guys as weak. They like them, but not as bedroom material.

**JZLizard** · 08-14-14 00:22

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

The problem is these companies are watched very closely by the credit card processors. The processors are now scrutinized by the federal government to maintain a higher standard of legal compliance. Such things as the "small print" can't be small anymore. It's part of Obamas internet consumer fraud protection regulations that are now in place. It's not uncommon for a processor to freeze the funds of an online retailer for minor violations. Transparency is very high on the feds consumer watchdog list. So online retailers err on the side of caution these days. And have been for over two years now. This is especially true for companies that auto-bill their customers.

Perhaps, but if they went Bitcoin they would no longer be at the mercy of credit card processors at all, at least the Bitcoin transactions would be completely outside of the loop -- at least to the best of my understanding, Bitcoin cannot be watched or controlled by banks or the fed for that matter -- it is it's own type of currency (it's not just an escrow or processing middleman like Paypal). I don't know if a Bitcoin option in itself would be grounds for credit card processors to withdraw services from the company, freeze funds, etc. And of course if they did, it would be a painful blow since the average consumer isn't into Bitcoins yet, but I bet if credit card options were removed from these sites and Bitcoin was the only option, all these horny SDs would quickly obtain Bitcoin wallets and get on board. Where there's a will (and a boner), there's a way.

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-13-14 23:05

If everyone reading this will put in a support ticket to the sites they use and complain about the lack of privacy, I bet we can get something done. They could use an intermediate and non specific currency service like Payza or similar to take a pre-paid amount and apply it to the account. They of course have no motivation to even look into this unless the wheels are squeaky enough and they realize that they could lose customers.

The problem is these companies are watched very closely by the credit card processors. The processors are now scrutinized by the federal government to maintain a higher standard of legal compliance. Such things as the "small print" can't be small anymore. It's part of Obamas internet consumer fraud protection regulations that are now in place. It's not uncommon for a processor to freeze the funds of an online retailer for minor violations. Transparency is very high on the feds consumer watchdog list. So online retailers err on the side of caution these days. And have been for over two years now. This is especially true for companies that auto-bill their customers.

**JZLizard** · 08-13-14 16:10

Originally Posted by Ltnric [View Original Post]

So I was looking at my online banking statement and I see an entry titled "2buysafe.com" when I look at the merchant description I see the following "Dating and Escort Services" I shit you not! Now I don't have a SO so I am fine with this but you would think that someone like SA would be more discreet than this shit! Be careful guys if you have a shared account with an SO.

This is one thing that irks me about these services. My SO doesn't get the opportunity to vet my credit card statements, but there are a number of reasons I don't like having something like 2 buysafe on my rap sheet.

If everyone reading this will put in a support ticket to the sites they use and complain about the lack of privacy, I bet we can get something done. They could use an intermediate and non specific currency service like Payza or similar to take a pre-paid amount and apply it to the account. They of course have no motivation to even look into this unless the wheels are squeaky enough and they realize that they could lose customers.

My personal preference would be to see them accept Bitcoin.

The one problem with these alternatives is that it can take many days to get the money from your account to the destination (sometimes like a week), so you can't just signup and start browsing for poon right away.

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-13-14 00:36

Put it on SD4M. Can't wait to see all the gold diggers jumping in the first week. It's pretty specific though, so I hope to find the so called unicorn. As they say in another brotherhood, the road gets narrower.

**Ltnric** · 08-12-14 20:13

So I was looking at my online banking statement and I see an entry titled "2buysafe.com" when I look at the merchant description I see the following "Dating and Escort Services" I shit you not! Now I don't have a SO so I am fine with this but you would think that someone like SA would be more discreet than this shit! Be careful guys if you have a shared account with an SO.

**FeelGoodMd** · 08-12-14 15:31

And there goes another one. 19 yo blonde with tats, hardbody, who I emailed with for a couple days finally asks the "how much" question. I tell her my usual 1st date gift is $, or $. 5 if we really hit it off and I have a great time. Her reply:

"Sorry that's too low. I don't meet for anything less than $ $ $. Its not worth my time. If you read my profile it clearly states no low ballers. You might get a stripper on the site for that amount.

I have standards and I do not negotiate, everything is clearly stated on my profile.

My reply (in part): "You're going to have difficulty finding someone who will give you that much in Richmond. If we were in DC, NYC, etc your expectations might be more realistic. If you want a longer term connection rather than having to find a new Daddy every few weeks once a high roller has gotten tired of you, you will have to lower your sights. Remember that SB's accept gifts, and escorts set rates.

Good luck. I hope you are able to find what you want. When / if you don't. Get back in touch. I'm not closing this email account any time soon. ".

I doubt I'll hear from her again, but maybe I'll make the next brother's journey a little easier.

**FredMoore** · 08-12-14 15:24

Originally Posted by CaneBay [View Original Post]

Time together is great. We meet 1-2 times a week for 5-7 hrs each time. Time together is REALLY great. She has never flaked on a date.

I really miss the communication (from previous arrangements) and need more in that department. Do I tell her that I am starting to fish again in hopes she ups her game? Don't say anything and then phase her out / keep as a back up once I replace? Other suggestions?

Sounds perfect -why rock the boat? Here is an alternate suggestion. If you can afford the extra time and money search for a 2nd Baby. Whether you tell her or not doesn't matter. After all, she is banging the SO isn't she? Make it clear to # 2 that you need communication and get your texting needs met by her. Remember NSA?

My pet peeve is lack of communication for scheduling. I'm running 3 SBs right now and 2 of them are sketchy communicators. That is a deal breaker if they will not return your requests for face time. Otherwise, I like the "thinking about you " text every day but don't have time to text back and forth for hours.

SB #1 is a 9/9/7/8 but she is an infrequent texter. It prevents me from becoming closer to her emotionally. Which is probably a good thing. If she acted gaga over me I would get in SO trouble again. I think she is keeping her distance on purpose to avoid becoming emotionally involved.

SB # 2 is a great and frequent texter, but I am not as into her She is a 7/7/7/8.

S # 3 -actually a FB is a poor texter. Disappears for days then pops up when she needs $$ THere is no E Involvement. Basically an UTR.

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-12-14 14:10

Originally Posted by CaneBay [View Original Post]

I have been with my current SB for almost 3 months. Last 4-6 weeks I have been exclusive. She does not have another SD and I am her first, but does live with a BF and has 2 kids. Works full-time and goes to college. Communication varies greatly- from no contact for 1-2 days to great contact all day long. She knows I require good communication including flirty texts and pics. I would say I am happy about 50% of the time with her texting and emails. Time together is great. We meet 1-2 times a week for 5-7 hrs each time. Time together is REALLY great. She has never flaked on a date.

I really miss the communication (from previous arrangements) and need more in that department. Do I tell her that I am starting to fish again in hopes she ups her game? Don't say anything and then phase her out / keep as a back up once I replace? Other suggestions?

Also you say you are exclusive. But you are not. She lives with her BF. Just semantics. When I refer to exclusive I mean there is no BF, SO, etc. It's me and only me. It's the only way to go safely uncovered. Not saying you are, but who knows where that BF has been. My new freaky SB tells me every girl she knows is either knocked up or has an STD by 18. She also tells me she wants to suck other dick. I told her covered only if she does. Can I trust her? So far I am as she hasn't done it yet.

**CaneBay** · 08-12-14 11:41

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Most girls tell me one of the biggest reasons they break it off with their SD is that he is too clingy and requires too much communication. They are usually happy except for this one thing. I say keep her and just back off a little.

That is what I was wondering. TY HG and Dsprdo.