"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

So have you guys seen a rise in girls wanting to be dominated and participate in a little S&M since the book came out and the movie is OTW?

I have noticed that the majority of new profiles in my area are girls 18 to 26 and many list "server, bartender, and dancer " as their occupation. And many of those are in college. I run a screen for 30 to 40 yr olds on SA and there are very few new listings in my demographic. I screen for White / Asian / Hispanic, slim / athletic / average. It seems many college girls are broke and need a few extra bucks. And given their relaxed attitude towards recreational sex they are by far the most easy group to connect with.

[FredMoore]

How safe it is to meet at SBs place? Lets say SB is staying in apt. She says, it is ok to come to her place. ! Is it safe? First time.

To me that is the Holy Grail. Yes, she could be a Pro but you can probably figure that out pretty quickly. I would not hesitate to take the free room. It saves you the $$ and she is in her home environment and maybe feels less escortish. Also the paper trail is not there as it would be in a hotel. I have had 4 SBs welcome me into their homes after a M&G. One had dogs (4) who slept in the bed with us, 2 had young children who woke up all night, and 2 were heavy smokers so the house smelled like an ashtray. In the end, I like saving money but I would not stay all night in those circumstances. Just do your business and leave.

Dangerous? Possibly if you get a total nutcase. Do not bring your wallet into the house, hide your car keys where you will wakeup if she rummages around for them, and lock your phoneor better still leave that in the car locked up. I lost my burner phone at one sleepover. I'm sure she unlocked my car and took it to use the free minutes.

[HollywoodGuy]

If you want to find a social MILF to squire around go on Zoosk or another dating site and get an IRL girl "friend" Who cares about sex anyway ? You've got this bevy of hotties to fuck all day long . Besides ,who wants to do a mercy fuck with a senior citizen ? LOL Bang your 20 yr old before picking up the 40 yr old . If you have a good time at the opera and don't get laid again who cares ?

No, I just want to find a smoking hot MILF to fuck and that's it. No going out. Just sex at her place or a motel. I don't have time to be too social. Dinner is cool at a local ethinc place. The only purpose is to play. If that trophy MILF who probably hasnt had sex in 3 to 6 months would just get off her high horse for a minute to have great sex. She 'd be happy in the end.

And they mostly are not looking for sex on a first date anyway. just a dream.

[JZLizard]

How safe it is to meet at SBs place? Lets say SB is staying in apt. She says, it is ok to come to her place. ! Is it safe? First time.

It's hard to say, there's always a chance it could be a robbery setup, a sting or something else weird, but most likely not one of those. The risk that would be more on my mind is something like other creepy SD's stalking her, waiting outside to see if someone goes in then barging in and creating issues etc. That's not to say probability of it happening is high, but if she invited you to her place for the first time she is at minimum a UTR girl.

I had a situation like that where a POT first said we would have to get a room. Then a few months later after no contact, she went nando1 on me, she was behind on bills and needed help (typical stuff, keep the phone going, etc). When I complained about needing to get a room she said "why not just come to my place". I did a little more research on her and it seemed like she ran with some shady characters, so I opted to avoid that one. It was tempting though.

[GeorgeRichmond]

How long have you been communicating with her? I have picked a couple of girls up at their place and gone out for lunch or something if they didn't have transportation, but the only time I've ever been straight to the apartment the girl was UTR or an outright pro. A girl towards the SB end of the spectrum is probably going to be more nervous about it than you. I would maybe do it, but I would be very alert and I wouldn't expect wide-eyed innocence from her.

Just texting for past 7-10 days. I just found out that she may be young mom, desperate.

[HollywoodGuy]

Had date # 2 with my new and super freaky submissive baby girl (pictured). I picked her up from work and went straight to my lucky room at my favorite no-tel. She made it clear that I could only fuck her for a short amount of time (it turned out to be 15 minutes I am guessing) but that she needed to have something in her mouth at all times. She claims to have only had intercourse maybe a dozen times prior to meeting me.

She is an age player that needs to be heavily dominated, smacked around and gagged while being fucked. Afterward I fulfilled her gagging needs for another two hours non-stop rotating between my hands, feet and dick while simultaneously inserting my fingers and toes into her pussy.

This was all free of charge as she refuses to take my money and prefers to earn her own. She was overjoyed at my strict commands and probably drooled a gallon of spit as the multiple wet spots were the size of small dinner plates.

The more time I spend on the SD site, the more submissive the girls are that I find. Currently 4 of them are age players that need their daddy to be very happy by whatever means necessary. Rough sex, fucking other girls, gagging, etc.

I just did my top 5 girls in 3 days, so today is my day off, so far.

[Dsprdo]

How safe it is to meet at SBs place? Lets say SB is staying in apt. She says, it is ok to come to her place. ! Is it safe? First time.

How long have you been communicating with her? I have picked a couple of girls up at their place and gone out for lunch or something if they didn't have transportation, but the only time I've ever been straight to the apartment the girl was UTR or an outright pro. A girl towards the SB end of the spectrum is probably going to be more nervous about it than you. I would maybe do it, but I would be very alert and I wouldn't expect wide-eyed innocence from her.

[GeorgeRichmond]

How safe it is to meet at SBs place? Lets say SB is staying in apt. She says, it is ok to come to her place. ! Is it safe? First time.

[Colgado]

So one of my longer term friends arranged for a girlfriend to pick her up after we got together last week. When we finished she starts texting immediately and then makes a comment when I climb out of the shower about how she will be there shortly if I want to wait and meet. I took a pass on that but it seemed odd for her, being a married woman and all. So this week I get my usual drama call, need $20 for gas yada yada. I don't normally fill the greendots but I have accommodated this one because If I help her out, I just don't pay her when we get together. So after I send the dough, I get a text that she and the friend are at Applebees can I come meet them. I was with my translator so I passed. Today I get another text, and this time she is with her friend asking If I can handle 2 of them. The friend sends me a pic and she is not bad at all.

Of course, my car got totaled (by a lawyer no less) last night and I am leaving town Thursday so I am like going to be a week before I can explore this. Betting she changes her mind but I am like wow. Betting the friend is just like her, shocked by the idea that a man would be nice, so used to guys her age that are not.

Amazing!

You need a sidekick to fill in for you? I am totally free this weekend.

[Beachesnole02]

So one of my longer term friends arranged for a girlfriend to pick her up after we got together last week. When we finished she starts texting immediately and then makes a comment when I climb out of the shower about how she will be there shortly if I want to wait and meet. I took a pass on that but it seemed odd for her, being a married woman and all. So this week I get my usual drama call, need $20 for gas yada yada. I don't normally fill the greendots but I have accommodated this one because If I help her out, I just don't pay her when we get together. So after I send the dough, I get a text that she and the friend are at Applebees can I come meet them. I was with my translator so I passed. Today I get another text, and this time she is with her friend asking If I can handle 2 of them. The friend sends me a pic and she is not bad at all.

Of course, my car got totaled (by a lawyer no less) last night and I am leaving town Thursday so I am like going to be a week before I can explore this. Betting she changes her mind but I am like wow. Betting the friend is just like her, shocked by the idea that a man would be nice, so used to guys her age that are not.

[JZLizard]

Connections.

Another thing to keep in mind is that there are times when two of your SBs in a given area might know each other and just not telling you about the connection. I had this happen once, confirmed, and who knows how many times it happened when I didn't know about it.

Two different girls in another town. Both looked hot, so I was chatting with both of them, ended up meeting one of them in person. She mentioned that a friend of hers got her into the SD scene so she decided to try it out. Well later on I find the FB page for the one I did meet, and the other girl (who I never met but was considering setting up a M&G) was on her friends list. Looking at the photos of them together revealed a lot, I got the impression they are both roommate and lovers, and they had to both know they were trading e-mails with the same guy, as I'm sure they compare notes, but yet neither of them ever mentioned the common link to me.

So be careful and be aware that connections between 2 or more SBs you are already talking to is much more likely than you think.

[FredMoore]

This blog has led the way in the Sugar World thanks again to our worthy moderator Literal. Kudos again Brother (or should we say Father) !!

It stinks that SBs can access this oh so public forum, as can LE BTW. We must use PMs more often when being specific about individuals, and be more general with our arrangements and adventures. Obviously the local girls know which ones of us are on the blog if they have followed it for awhile. They have probably connected us to an SA profile. Who knows? Maybe there is a blog out there that is run by SBs where they talk about us in the same way. Perhaps you tech and research savvy guys can hunt that down?

It would be a shame to reduce the value of information on this thread since it is national (international?) and guys in one state can value the information anywhere in the blogosphere. I would not want Hollywood, for example, to go silent about his many lessons and adventures.

I recommend changing details a little bit about the individuals and exact circumstances. Perhaps the SBs won't recpgnize themselves so easily or at least wonder.

[Tjinla2001]

This thread has become famous. I guess I'm lucky I never had the money to go the sugar daddy route. My biggest dilemma with prostitutes is deciding how much extra to tip when bareback full service is provided. Usually it is an additional $60. I don't think sugar baby prostitutes would have much use for a low baller like me.

[JZLizard]

Yeah I was warned not to let things go to deep. The one who proclaimed feelings for me, the sweet 21 yo SB has now turned mad ape shit sour on me cause I tried to break it off.

(stuff snipped)

Any ideas? What a mess!

I would just go dark at this point Deeds. No contact, nothing. If I'm not mistaken you're one of the few here that does not have an SO at risk here? So in that sense you're in an enviable position. SD'ing is not illegal so I think your angle of taking the sex for cash theory to her family is a bad move. Once you've admitted that to them you've broken the law and they can have you arrested (the girl would probably get arrested too, but my hunch is that her parents are uneducated garbage like her or perhaps just possess the gene for stupid, and thus do not yet realize this).

I don't recommend revenge porn or anything else like this because all of that is a two way street. Clearly she is not as busy a person as you, which means she has more time and motivation to invest in posting pics and info of you all over the web that will still rise to the top of google searches when people search on your name 20 years from now, and you don't want that.

If she does ANYTHING remotely threatening, including badmouthing, posting shit to websites etc. Pay a lawyer to fire a shot over her bow and scare the **** juice out of her. If you have $15 k a month to give a SB, this won't be a stretch for you at all. Remind her of that -- if you have enough money to be an SD you have enough money to crush her relentlessly in civil court, it's just a matter of letting her know you're willing to do that.

[JZLizard]

I try to change some details about my SBs and situations just enough to make it harder to recognize. OTOH revealing your location opens us up to recognition by the very Babies we are talking about. That cat is out of the bag since most of us have shared that info.

Anybody interested in taking this information to a private invitation only Blog? Specifics could be shared there and general info on here.

It is a shame that some guys may curry favor with an SB by ratting out the posters. I had that happen here as well. An SB I was seeing called me out on a comment I made here. I changed my screen name because of it.

I tried moving all of this to a location-agnostic SB / SD forum weeks back, but it didn't seem to have enough support to get attention, and some folks felt it would draw more eyes (I disagree) . Someone sent me a PM with a private website they had set up for this purpose, and I meant to respond to him but the problem is I don't know who he is whereas USASG has been around for a while and the "sugar" scene is really lightweight compared to some of the other topics USASG hosts. Also, usually private forums and blogs do not have the funding to stick around, so you have to be aware that one day the content will probably suddenly disappear, whereas USASG appears to do this as a business complete with sponsors. If it's not funded, nobody is going to be willing to invest the time in moderation long term.

The thread in question is here: http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...ew-Topics-Here.

This doesn't do anything to make everything private. However, having an invite-only SD forum doesn't really do anything to prevent SBs from sneaking in. Without a constant stream of new blood and new ideas, invite-only forums tend to become inbred, stale of new ideas, and just fade away over time. Someone would have to recruit the new invites. Where would they come from? Probably here.

However the subject of anonymity is an important one. I say don't reveal too much about yourself to the girl (last name, etc). Always assume she is a nut case and will come back to try to harm your life in some way (even if she's not, it's better to be pre-emptive about this). When we write to share info with other SD brothers, don't reveal too much even in PM about your location, what you do, anything else that could identify you indirectly if the person you're talking to happens to know someone that fits your description.