"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dsprdo]

I don't know whether her "source" told her about this message board specifically. I'd suggest that we brothers keep its existence, and what is written here, within the fraternity and not share it with SB's (or UTR's, as the case may be).

I can't believe how dumb some guys are. I guess it just shows that guys will say or do anything to curry favor with a hot young thing. I worry sometimes about posting too much detail and having that conversation with a girl I wrote about. The purpose of the site is to provide assistance to each other in the pursuit, but it shouldn't be at the expense of another brother! You are absolutely right doctor.

[FeelGoodMd]

I got an angry text last night from the 18 year old I posted about yesterday. She said she heard I had been writing bad things about her on the internet and told me to fuck myself. I played dumb and said "how do you know I wrote anything," and she said that another Daddy (John?) had told her that she was getting a bad reputation in an online message board on which SD's converse. She also said he used her showing up so late that I left without meeting her a few weeks ago as an example of how she was being portrayed as unreliable. Since I was the only person who had ever been "rude enough to leave me hanging like that" she knew I was the one who posted it.

I don't know whether her "source" told her about this message board specifically. I'd suggest that we brothers keep its existence, and what is written here, within the fraternity and not share it with SB's (or UTR's, as the case may be). Let's be especially careful about sharing things that might get a girl pissed off! Some girls will no doubt find the site, as CuriosIt did, but let's not advertise its existence.

I sent a final text last to say I'd get in touch when I was free to meet (jokingly, of course). I'll share the details if she ever responds. It might be good for a laugh.

Dr. Feelgood.

[FredMoore]

Yeah I was warned not to let things go to deep. The one who proclaimed feelings for me, the sweet 21 yo SB has now turned mad ape shit sour on me cause I tried to break it off.

Brothers, when women this age get feelings and then feel rejected, all bets are off. Be warned! Another lesson I'm learning the hard way. I need to get some real dirt on her and scare her with it. A few times, she thought I knew 100% she was seeing other men (which I'm sure she was) and she backed down, like she thought I knew, so oh well. Now I might need to get absolute proof, so I can throw it in her face and have her go away. Any ideas? What a mess!

I agree with Golfcart. Just break it off, tell her you are done, and go silent. Her reaction is way over the line of reasonableness and you need to avoid her. Change phones #s,emails, and if she confronts you IRL tell her you will take legal action if she attempts to cause you harm. Don't get into a pissing contest with a skunk.

Brother,$15 K is another issue you need counselling about (with the brotherhood that is) That is waaaay over the top even for a captain of industry. I certainly couldn't afford that nor would I ever want any woman, even a SO to have that kind of largess. Hell brother, I'll date you for that. I don't know about you, but in the past I got so excited about a successful SB experience that I overdid the expenses, but not to that extent.

Blackmail: I have been blackmailed several times because of money. Many of these girls are desperate and need money. When the gravy train stops then they risk legal ruin by hitting on you. I paid up twice, but we are talking $$ ,not $1000's.

[Golfcart]

This is what happens when we pay too much.

First SB, regular going ballistic on me . . . the sweet 21 yo SB has now turned mad ape shit sour on me cause I tried to break it off . . . . . I treated this girl like a golden angel spending $15,000 plus on her ass over a month . . . . . her mom and dad are out looking for me.

I would say the $15,000 a month no longer coming in has more to do with this than anything else. Paying that rate was asking for trouble. We want to be important to the girls but not that important.

Brothers, when women this age get feelings and then feel rejected, all bets are off.

I still think it's more about the $15,000 in a month than anything else. I could be wrong.

I need to get some real dirt on her and scare her with it.

Brother, you're the victim at this moment. You want the story to remain that way and end that way. You won't be the victim the minute you swing back.

Ignore her. She'll stop bothering you sooner. Pay less next time. There's no advantage being that big of a loss to any girl. That was asking for trouble.

[John G Smith]

So a couple of months ago, I mentioned I had an assistant. She was a cute petite little blond who would come in a few times a week to do some light office work and then service me afterwards.

It went pretty well for a while, but things ended when she got a legit job which I helped her get. She was nice, but she was always a little distant. So I've been looking for a new assistant, doing a new round of interviews which is always fun.

I ended up settling on 23 year-old Latina. She's definitely heavier than what I normally look for in a SB, but her performance and eagerness to please is off the charts, which is perfect for an office assistant. My previous petite blond assistant was much hotter, but her performance was tepid at best. It was basically her whole petite "innocent" look that got me off, but that got old after a while and performance became an issue. Whereas my new Latina assistant even though she's carrying some extra pounds, even during the interview she left me completely drained. She grinded on me like a champ, deep throated, and then swallowed every ounce of my man juice. She had a smile on her face afterward and just had a great pleasing attitude.

Also with my previous blond assistant, I usually just got one pop in the work shift. Whereas with my Latina it's a minimum of 2 pops and it's just a matter of how many I can conjure up. For those that like to track CPO (Cost Per Orgasm), I'm at like $15-20 CPO with this new assistant. It would be nice if she was 10-15 pounds slimmer, but wow it's one of those cases where the performance more than makes up for it, at least for now. Having a sexually submissive but enthusiastic assistant is pretty much the dream of every guy with a desk job. Plus I still have a couple of other SBs for eye candy, but this assistant knows how to take care of business on a regular basis. I'm loving my new office.

[John G Smith]

Brothers, when women this age get feelings and then feel rejected, all bets are off. Be warned! Another lesson I'm learning the hard way. I need to get some real dirt on her and scare her with it. A few times, she thought I knew 100% she was seeing other men (which I'm sure she was) and she backed down, like she thought I knew, so oh well. Now I might need to get absolute proof, so I can throw it in her face and have her go away. Any ideas? What a mess!

This is why you should always be careful not to over-spoil a girl. If you give them too much, they know they probably won't see that kind of money / gifts ever again for doing almost nothing so they will get super clingy and then borderline psycho because they don't want the gravy train to end. Getting them to back down is extremely tough because they have very little too lose and a lot more to gain by making veiled or direct threats at you.

You're in a tough spot. If shaming her to her family doesn't give you any traction (in terms of getting her to back off), then you could say you'll expose her to her friends or school. But it sounds like those things won't be enough of a deterrent. I think the biggest card you can play is to threaten that you'll go completely "radio silence" if she keeps acting this way. You'll change numbers and never return her calls / text. And if she shows up are you door, you'll pretend you don't know her and get a restraining order if necessary. Hopefully the idea of you completely cutting her off might scare her enough to get back in line. She either has a choice of keeping lines of communication open or burning the bridge permanently and forever. I'd recommend giving that a go and see what happens.

[Kirkachoo]

Revenge Porn.

Yeah I was warned not to let things go to deep. The one who proclaimed feelings for me, the sweet 21 yo SB has now turned mad ape shit sour on me cause I tried to break it off.

I cover my tracks, but no one can cover them entirely. So she calls me up the other day dropping the "you mother fucker, you broke my heart, you never loved me, you lead me on" I remained calm and tried to talk sense into her by reminding her that we met on a SD site and it started as an arrangement. Well she proceeds to tell me about some of my cover work that she knew was a lie, wants my work number, address and so on. I treated this girl like a golden angel spending $15,000 plus on her ass over a month and respected her like no other man in her life did before. She goes on to tell me, her mom and dad are out looking for me.

So from there I got pissed and told her she is teetering on blackmail and if her mommy and daddy find me, it would not end well for them. Meaning I would tell them about her true nature of having sex for money and so on. She still wouldn't back down indicating mommy and daddy might even know and don't give a shit. So now I'm looking for a angle to put some fear in her, without of course breaking any laws, cause I'm not a violent or law breaking kind of guy.

Brothers, when women this age get feelings and then feel rejected, all bets are off. Be warned! Another lesson I'm learning the hard way. I need to get some real dirt on her and scare her with it. A few times, she thought I knew 100% she was seeing other men (which I'm sure she was) and she backed down, like she thought I knew, so oh well. Now I might need to get absolute proof, so I can throw it in her face and have her go away. Any ideas? What a mess!

[DirtyDeeds38]

Yeah I was warned not to let things go to deep. The one who proclaimed feelings for me, the sweet 21 yo SB has now turned mad ape shit sour on me cause I tried to break it off.

I cover my tracks, but no one can cover them entirely. So she calls me up the other day dropping the "you mother fucker, you broke my heart, you never loved me, you lead me on" I remained calm and tried to talk sense into her by reminding her that we met on a SD site and it started as an arrangement. Well she proceeds to tell me about some of my cover work that she knew was a lie, wants my work number, address and so on. I treated this girl like a golden angel spending $15,000 plus on her ass over a month and respected her like no other man in her life did before. She goes on to tell me, her mom and dad are out looking for me.

So from there I got pissed and told her she is teetering on blackmail and if her mommy and daddy find me, it would not end well for them. Meaning I would tell them about her true nature of having sex for money and so on. She still wouldn't back down indicating mommy and daddy might even know and don't give a shit. So now I'm looking for a angle to put some fear in her, without of course breaking any laws, cause I'm not a violent or law breaking kind of guy.

Brothers, when women this age get feelings and then feel rejected, all bets are off. Be warned! Another lesson I'm learning the hard way. I need to get some real dirt on her and scare her with it. A few times, she thought I knew 100% she was seeing other men (which I'm sure she was) and she backed down, like she thought I knew, so oh well. Now I might need to get absolute proof, so I can throw it in her face and have her go away. Any ideas? What a mess!

[Rouleur]

I try to be very open and specific about what type of SB I'm looking for in my SA profile. I mention SLENDER two times within one paragraph as well as the age range of the YOUNG women I'm interested in meeting. Yet, without fail, almost daily I get winks and mail from obese or older women who do not remotely fit the type I've specified. Some are obviously generic mass email type inquiries. However enough of the them are personalized to the point that I'm certain they read my profile but have decided to ignore my interests. The worst are the bitter old or rotund women who challenge me on my taste and preferences as if it is a crime to want young and slender. Is this just business as usual in the Sugar Bowl?

[John G Smith]

Escorts have always been an issue on SD sites, but especially with the recent demise of Red book, escorts are now flocking to SD sites because it's a free way for them to get regular clients. Places like BP cost money to post, so for lower volume and / or broke girls, the SD sites have now become an attractive option.

One good way to test whether a girl is an escort is to suggest to have a 4-6 hour date for just $ or without mentioning specific amounts. Most Pros will balk at spending multiple hours for $ or for some unknown dollar amount. Whereas a real SB (especially the newer ones) will be open to multiihour dates and might actually prefer them. You can always change the length of the date later on due to "scheduling" but it's a nice little test you can do early on to gauge how they respond to the question to see if they're a Pro or not.

[Member #4727]

Is SA is being overrun by hookers, what the fuck. So I have been on SA for less than a month and these are the women I have chatted with.

Pot#1: A young AA who I chatted via text for a while. We agree to a M&G. The day before we are supposed to meet she asked me how much I was going to give her. I informed her that I don't pay just for showing up. After hearing that She wasn't interested. Thank god, I didn't waste my time.

Pot#2: I also got hit up by that 18 year old white girl, the one who is flaky. I won't give you the details but I also got the same lame ass story about how her former SD used to give her $500/ hr. Long story short I end up going to the FC with her about two weeks ago and no where near the $500. I guess she must have been desperate. Now she is texting me telling me how she needs money and asked for $500 again. I got her down to $$. 5. When I told her I would come pick her up she said she was with family and didn't want to make them mad by leaving. She agreed to fuck me in her car. I told her no thanks and told her this wasn't going to work. She begged but I didn't text for a day. We are on talking terms but this chick is total NANDo 1. However, after our last conversation I think she understands not to bull shit me. I'll keep her number in case the little guy needs some action but that is about as far as I'll go. She will be just an escort on my Rolodex. It's because of sites like this we won't let these dumb be*ches get away with insulting our intelligence.

Pot#3: Then I hear back from a 22 year old white girl. Very cute. She emailed me today at 9:20 PM. Says she wants to meet and says she can meet me tonight. I am always weary about anyone whose first email is "let's meet". I told her I could meet her at 10:00. She says she is already in the area and asks if I could meet her sooner. Are you fucking kidding me, you can't wait 30 min? Then she tells me she will bring her girlfriend along who also likes to please and asked for $600. At that point I said forget it. I told her she was just calling me because one of her JOhns was a no show and I wasn't interested.

What the hell! Why don't these bitches just stay on backpage and let those of us who want a real SB get on with our lives!

In the past week I've had a stripper and an escort hit me up off of SD4 me in RVA. So it's everywhere apparently.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/profi...inia-SugarBaby

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/profi...r-ExtraMarital

[FredMoore]

I have no trouble dating young girls. Its an endless stream. What about MILF's?. They don't seem to like me anywhere near as much. When I am face to face with them there is no problem. How do get in their face yet still pay $ ? The housewives types seem very GPS. But I am not attracted to anything less. Any advice from the brotherhood?

18-19 - 18 is a little harder but i have had plenty of 19 - they like me

20-22 - by far the easiest - they love me

23-28 - not a problem, they are just not as fresh - they love me

29-40 - total wipeout - they hate me

41+ - i want a super hot socal MILF - help - they laugh at me

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My take on it Hollywood is this age group is into the "clock ticking " mode and want to find either an IRL partner or a major SD. They need age appropriateness or Serious wealth, or both. 60 is too old to be a serious IRL partner for the younger 30 yr old and $100 is not enough to support the old girls in the style they want to get accustomed to.

The young girls are just out to get a few bucks and a few thrills, and you provide both. They are not seriously looking at you or any SD at this time of life as a permanent gig.

If you want to find a social MILF to squire around go on Zoosk or another dating site and get an IRL girl "friend" Who cares about sex anyway ? You've got this bevy of hotties to fuck all day long . Besides ,who wants to do a mercy fuck with a senior citizen ? LOL Bang your 20 yr old before picking up the 40 yr old . If you have a good time at the opera and don't get laid again who cares ?

[JZLizard]

I have no trouble dating young girls. Its an endless stream. What about MILF's?. They don't seem to like me anywhere near as much. When I am face to face with them there is no problem. How do get in their face yet still pay $ ? The housewives types seem very GPS. But I am not attracted to anything less. Any advice from the brotherhood?

My SB experience caps out around mid-late 20's, I could talk a lot about MILFs from my civy dating experience, but even they aren't the over-40 type, so I'm not sure it would help much if I did. To me a MILF is anyone over 30 who has given birth, and over 40 they are into cougar territory for me (even if they aren't necessarily seeking younger cubs, I still consider them cougars). Some of my best sexual experiences have been with single moms between 30-35. I think beyond 35, or certainly over 40, they are driven less by hormones and more by other motivating factors, which can make them more complicated targets than are worth dealing with. I would love nothing more than a romp with Kelly Ripa but I don't see a lot of over-40 women that give me a swelling in my zipper zone. I bet there are some hot ones there in L. A. , but the problem is that if they are still hot at 40+ it means they were super-stunners when they were 18-30, and this means that they have been spoiled into GPS perpetuity, and in my mind are mostly damaged goods.

When my SD profile was active, I used to get hit up a lot from these cougars, some reasonably close by and also some from NYC / LA / Miami areas that were looking to branch out. Some of them were quite hot, and most of them indicated looking for something much more than just money for sex in their initial mail (I. E. They want a rich boyfriend basically, complete with the tolerance for all their pre-menopausal mood swings).

I always wanted to write back and say "look you're not a bad looking broad at all, and in the civy world I'd probably give you a roll in the hay but do you know what the "be" in "SB" means? Hint -- it implies youth".

But that's just me. And no I never did that, as I am not a fan of stirring up shit or pissing people off needlessly.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have no trouble dating young girls. Its an endless stream. What about MILF's?. They don't seem to like me anywhere near as much. When I am face to face with them there is no problem. How do get in their face yet still pay $ ? The housewives types seem very GPS. But I am not attracted to anything less. Any advice from the brotherhood?

18-19 - 18 is a little harder but i have had plenty of 19 - they like me

20-22 - by far the easiest - they love me

23-28 - not a problem, they are just not as fresh - they love me

29-40 - total wipeout - they hate me

41+ - i want a super hot socal MILF - help - they laugh at me

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My current lineup - all regulars

20 - my special princess - over a year
21 - native american freak - new
23 - unnamed - 2 years
24 - jamaican princess - 7 dates so far
28 - my new SB - awesome
47 - PSE MILF - 3 years and going strong

[JZLizard]

Is SA is being overrun by hookers, what the fuck. So I have been on SA for less than a month and these are the women I have chatted with.
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What the hell! Why don't these bitches just stay on backpage and let those of us who want a real SB get on with our lives!

It's one of the perils of the hobby. Yes they are everywhere. It's one of my peeves as well.

Finding real SBs can be a lot of hard work, reminds me a lot of regular dating in that regard.