"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Zman429]

New to the Sugar Bowl, I have made it to FC twice now.

Maybe due to my age (college in the late 80's) which was when the AIDS crisis started I always to wear protection.

I was surprised with my 2 trips to the FC the SBs made protection optional! Has the propaganda not reached earlier generations?

Curious to know how many SDs do helmet free in the Sugar Bowl.

Propaganda is a good way of putting it. I think it has and they realize it's been greatly exaggerated and things are loosening up a bit. PS haven't tried the SD thing yet maybe I should.

[FyrGuy33]

Even though I have been reading though the posts on the forum, there is no substitute for experience.

I had my first Nando 1 encounter and unfortunately was thinking with my little head.

I exchanged txt with a SB from SA, she sent me some pics a definite 9/9 19 year old, she quotes $$ and asks to meet at a coffee shop for MG.

After meeting the girl I rate her at 9/9/5/? And thinking with the little head, she suggested we go to her apt for the FC.

Long story short, ended up being a 15 min FC & she indicated that we were done final score 9/9/5/5, I caulked it up for experience.

A few days later she is texting me again wanting to meet. And promises a longer time.

Any advice?

I would go silent on her. If she becomes persistent, tell her you were extremely disappointed to the point that you feel no need to repeat it. She did not live up to her end of the arrangement. If she wants to show you that she is capable of doing that, then tell her that you will see her again but you're not paying for the next session since you only had 15 minutes the first time. You need to stick to your guns on this.

Now, there is also a lesson for you here. She did that because you gave her the donation first. In all future dates with her or anyone else, they should get it after. If that is not acceptable to them, walk. Trust me, you will save yourself from future situations like this. Imagine if you had the ability to tell her you are only going to give her $50 for a 15 min date? Always keep that leverage. A true SB never looks for the donation until you are ready to part ways. Based on the rate she quoted and wanting it up front, she's most likely an escort.

[FyrGuy33]

Things must be getting tougher on the college cuties. I had 3 M&G's this past week and each one of them agreed to $150 per meet in the FC. When the subject of the arrangement comes up, I tell them I gave my last SB that per meeting. Funny thing is, all three didn't even try to get me to give them more. The first one is a 20 why / o home from college. Went to the FC with her and it was worth so much more. I think I might be getting lucky with this one. She had to go back to her college with her Dad yesterday and was very upset last night. Wouldn't tell me what was going on but I am guessing she may have been univited back in the fall. That could be good for me, but I am not sure if that is what happened. The other two I will have to wait to see as I am leaving for a 2 week vacation tomorrow.

This is the funny thing about playing in this hobby. Sometimes there is more pussy that you can either afford or physically handle, or, you can't get any even if you wave a fist full of hondo's.

[Latex]

New to the Sugar Bowl, I have made it to FC twice now.

Maybe due to my age (college in the late 80's) which was when the AIDS crisis started I always to wear protection.

I was surprised with my 2 trips to the FC the SBs made protection optional! Has the propaganda not reached earlier generations?

Curious to know how many SDs do helmet free in the Sugar Bowl.

[Latex]

Even though I have been reading though the posts on the forum, there is no substitute for experience.

I had my first Nando 1 encounter and unfortunately was thinking with my little head.

I exchanged txt with a SB from SA, she sent me some pics a definite 9/9 19 year old, she quotes $$ and asks to meet at a coffee shop for MG.

After meeting the girl I rate her at 9/9/5/? And thinking with the little head, she suggested we go to her apt for the FC.

Long story short, ended up being a 15 min FC & she indicated that we were done final score 9/9/5/5, I caulked it up for experience.

A few days later she is texting me again wanting to meet. And promises a longer time.

Any advice?

[HollywoodGuy]

Scream GPS or at the very least, UTR-and yet sometimes I can't resist. Got messaged by a 28 (probably 34) yo old blonde whose site pics are basically modeling shots. She says all the right things, but I know she is going to think at least 500/ hr is her due. Nevertheless, I'm having lunch with her tomorrow, at a modestly priced local establishment, just to hear the pitch. Lunch is worth it for the entertainment value, and who knows, maybe there really are unicorns?

I read it over and over. But I can't imagine meeting someone without some expectation of what's on their mind dollar wise. I would rather get turned down online than drive here and there for no reason.

[Dsprdo]

Scream GPS or at the very least, UTR-and yet sometimes I can't resist. Got messaged by a 28 (probably 34) yo old blonde whose site pics are basically modeling shots. She says all the right things, but I know she is going to think at least 500/ hr is her due. Nevertheless, I'm having lunch with her tomorrow, at a modestly priced local establishment, just to hear the pitch. Lunch is worth it for the entertainment value, and who knows, maybe there really are unicorns?

[HollywoodGuy]

Dang HG, which dating sites are you on?

Cheers.

TM.

I only have time for SD4 M and a little CL. And have no where near the money to pursue all these girls. Hoping next year things pickup at work.

[LikeMike1963]

Of course everyones definition of rich is different. Me. I always tell my Sb that I can offer a monthly allowance. I tell them that I am not rich but comfortable but do have to abide by a budget. But if they keep up their end I will be reliable with what I promise and if possible will have an extra on occasion. So what kind of budget?. I work not to exceed 1500 month. Maybe less. All depends on the arrangement. My income average the last 3 years about 160 k. I never tell them what I make. My best SB was for 1. 5 yrs. She was attractive. Straight A scholarship student on an athletic scholarship. She's 5' 5" about 115. Cute. Not super hot but that girl next door cute. An absolute 10 in terms of wanting me to be happy! Really kinda of a semi GF. When we first met I only gave her 600 month and she would drive an hour to come see me 6-10 x a month. She would even call and say "hey I need a break. Can I come see you tonight" . Drive up and head out early to make class. There was a couple months I was short on cash and expressed that to her and she just said don't worry about it. After a couple months I started helping her again. But she graduated and moved away for a job as she needed to do. But still miss her. Best SB / semi GF ever!

I mean some of these chicks and their expectations are nuts. 3-10 k a mth!. Yeah I get asking 'cause you won't if you don't but there is really only about 1 out of a 1000 that could possibly afford that. Then take into account those that can afford but are actually interested in a SB and that field narrows even more!

ANywayyyyyy. What are some of the dollars you guys are making.

Rich in this secret world means having enough available funds to get all the pussy you want, when you want it. That not only depends on what you have in the bank but also whether you can access it and have the free time to use it. Only single guys and long distance travelling business men have the freedom to take girls out for a good time, then off to the FC after. HW seems to be able to do that. I have money but the SO is alert to every tic on the cash meter. My hidden sources of money have dried up. And I do not have the freedom to be seen in the community, and I have no excuse to travel. Soooo, its sneaking off to the FC when I can. That eliminates the true SB experience and turns every encounter into a FB.

Good news!! SB #2 has resurfaced, so we will see. She is not a communicator which drives me crazy. I like responsiveness within an hour or two of a TM query. And I don't flog them with TMs, just a "good AM -thinking about you " or "when can I see you? " So got 2 sure things and 1 POT who I believe is a sure thing. And FB is dark so who knows?

[JZLizard]

I'm right there with ya on the thrill of the chase. This is why I've passed on a lot of very good women over the years. I like the pursuit. And a study done a few years back said this is the number one reason men cheat. We are wired to pursuit and chase and when it's taken from us, we get weird. This also falls in line with why I'm kinda glad not to be filthy rich, as I actually like the process of making money and working for it. If that were taken away via being super rich, I feel I would lose part of my drive and ambition.

What you said about relationships is also true. Pussy and easy cheap sex does wear down after a while, but trust me, the urge to have more of it, ALWAYS returns! As for me, I actually piss myself off, as I'm a big fucking mush and always fall for the sweet type women. And even through I know I don't want a long term relationship right now, or perhaps ever again, I always find myself on that doorstep. By the way, I still haven't let me 21 year old go yet. She thinks we're still an exclusive thing. I have not the cold veins yet to break her heart.

Yes, being in a relationship isn't all roses and doesn't do anything to prevent the craving for variety in pussy. Every day I think about banging someone new and different. I've never seen a long-term relationship (regardless of how hot the woman) where the sexual excitement didn't diminish greatly after the first few months. There's just no way a single woman can match the excitement of new / strange pussy.

But, long ago I realized the value of a good relationship and how hard it is to achieve, so I've conceded that I just have to wait until the times that my GF travels to unleash my dark side. When I was younger I didn't have the self-control to do the right thing, the pussy craving controlled me. These days, the craving is no less intense, I just have more life experience that reminds me what can happen if I'm careless about managing the craving. I wouldn't mind to sneak around a little during the week, but I don't want to do it too close to home, and my work does not give me a lot of travel excuses or opportunities. I could just visit escorts but that's not really my thing, and SBs typically come with a maintenance requirement (texting back and forth and so forth) that I really don't want to deal with while my GF is in town.

[FredMoore]

I would gladly pay top dollar but she is happy with flowers, perfume, lingerie and an occasional carton of cigarettes.

Wow and double Wow! That is a deal PTG. One in a career.

[PartyTimeGuy]

Congrats PTG! Sounds and looks great. What is the sticker price on this nubile youngster?

I would gladly pay top dollar but she is happy with flowers, perfume, lingerie and an occasional carton of cigarettes.

[DirtyDeeds38]

I've observed the same thing. The people I've known that are truly wealthy were born into money, it was all handed to them, so they have no concept of how to work for anything or achieve anything on their own. Silver spoon syndrome. Most of us dream about being rich, but I don't think money equates to happiness.

I've asked myself a couple of times, what would I really do if I won a huge powerball jackpot tomorrow? Most likely stay together with my current girlfriend and try not to let the money change my personality too much. Staying together with her would curtail most of my pussy hunting expeditions almost as much as it does now. I would travel more, but if I traveled without her at my side in order to bang SBs, it would just leave her home and bored and I'd end up losing the relationship through neglect. If I had to choose between hundreds of millions in financial wealth and my current relationship, I'd take the relationship. Sounds crazy but it takes a lot of work to build and maintain a real relationship and I imagine it would be even harder to find someone that's not just after money if I had that much of it. Infinite amounts of pussy sounds fun of course, but it would actually be less fun to me when there's so much money on the table that there is no more challenge -- just shooting fish in a barrel. I enjoy the act of chasing them down and working with limitations. Much more challenging and more rewarding when you do score.

I'm right there with ya on the thrill of the chase. This is why I've passed on a lot of very good women over the years. I like the pursuit. And a study done a few years back said this is the number one reason men cheat. We are wired to pursuit and chase and when it's taken from us, we get weird. This also falls in line with why I'm kinda glad not to be filthy rich, as I actually like the process of making money and working for it. If that were taken away via being super rich, I feel I would lose part of my drive and ambition.

What you said about relationships is also true. Pussy and easy cheap sex does wear down after a while, but trust me, the urge to have more of it, ALWAYS returns! As for me, I actually piss myself off, as I'm a big fucking mush and always fall for the sweet type women. And even through I know I don't want a long term relationship right now, or perhaps ever again, I always find myself on that doorstep. By the way, I still haven't let me 21 year old go yet. She thinks we're still an exclusive thing. I have not the cold veins yet to break her heart.

[FredMoore]

If you do the SB thing often enough you eventually run into the entire range of good and bad experiences. But every now and then you come across the rarest of finds, a true gem, the ultimate SB. I found this one and I am still pinching myself to see if I am dreaming.

This girl is 18, medium height, cute, awesome tight body, firm tits and ass, flexible (she does ballet), sweet disposition, horny as hell and adores men over 40. So what's the downside? There isn't any!

She had only been with one guy before, a 17 year old bf who busted her cherry. She was fascinated with teen / older porn on the internet and wanted to fulfill her fantasy with a SD. Why I was lucky enough to find this girl is beyond me but I am making the most of it this summer before she goes to college in the fall and gets totally ruined by the young studs there. I am hitting this three times a week and I can't get enough.

Life IS good!

Congrats PTG! Sounds and looks great. What is the sticker price on this nubile youngster?

[JZLizard]

Well I know a lot of very wealthy people and can say for sure most lack the insight and creative thinking and lack of effort it takes to get the results most of us here seem to be getting. Wealthy people often lose their drive and want things just handed to them.

I've observed the same thing. The people I've known that are truly wealthy were born into money, it was all handed to them, so they have no concept of how to work for anything or achieve anything on their own. Silver spoon syndrome. Most of us dream about being rich, but I don't think money equates to happiness.

I've asked myself a couple of times, what would I really do if I won a huge powerball jackpot tomorrow? Most likely stay together with my current girlfriend and try not to let the money change my personality too much. Staying together with her would curtail most of my pussy hunting expeditions almost as much as it does now. I would travel more, but if I traveled without her at my side in order to bang SBs, it would just leave her home and bored and I'd end up losing the relationship through neglect. If I had to choose between hundreds of millions in financial wealth and my current relationship, I'd take the relationship. Sounds crazy but it takes a lot of work to build and maintain a real relationship and I imagine it would be even harder to find someone that's not just after money if I had that much of it. Infinite amounts of pussy sounds fun of course, but it would actually be less fun to me when there's so much money on the table that there is no more challenge -- just shooting fish in a barrel. I enjoy the act of chasing them down and working with limitations. Much more challenging and more rewarding when you do score.