Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[NKYGentleman]

Quote Originally Posted by NKYGentleman {View Original Post}.

I walked in the room and met a very classy, genuine, woman who's intelligent, very attractive and accommodating to my requests and needs. I would love to have this woman to my self. Of all the providers and some of ladies that I have personally seen. This one I would take home to meet my mother.

Like I said before, it was my first post and I was trying to be sincere and genuine with a new provider with those words and I meant them. But as it panned out with other members chiming in and Josh88 finding pics if Lizzy, you would have seen what she really looked like. If you actively follow the board. You would see that she was new to the hobby and was trying not to show her face. Because of family and such. If you read her responds to all of the up roar, you would have read that she did explain about the fake pics. It was an agency that did that. Not her. She just ran with it because she didn't know any better. She's been independent now. Just put your self in her shoe's trying to make ends meet but yet being discreet about it.

It's just a case of two newbie's one being a monger and the other being a provider. A monger sharing info about a new provider. No more and no less. I do agree with the whole LEO thing and playing it safe. Now that we both have been on the hobby for a while now. We have both learned and gain valuable knowledge in this business.

So, if you would like to see a very high caliber person who's college educated, very attractive mature lady. I do recommend her. She's in the process of getting a web site up and having pics of her on it so you will know what she looks like. It may or may not have the shadow covering her face. She hasn't let me know yet.

You can find the info you need of her on BP and on aNotheR site. She's trying to get away from that site (BP), but for now. That's where she's advertising.

[Golfcart]

But the chance of both being compromised is less than of just one.
JLZ.

I wasn't clear. The situation is he is LE and he busts her. She turns over her account to work things off. He uses his account to write a review of her and he uses her account to post a thanks. We take that as a sign she is good and contact her unaware we are dealing with LE. We set things up and walk into the trap because LE is there. We ID ourselves as the guy behind the email by showing up at the appointed place and time. Sorry for the confusion.

[JLZ61]

True, unless they are both compromised.

But the chance of both being compromised is less than of just one.

Nonetheless, I do wish more providers would respond to reviews, whether positive or negative. I think that the majority of those that do are the more senior and serious of the providers. Many of the shorter term providers don't even have access to a computer. They're probably looking for immediate cash and not really looking to build a long term business.

JLZ.

[D Nut]

This shit with new people is going to stop. I suggest you stop it now because this came to my attention here in the Octagon I'm not going to review your last 50 posts and then put you on moderation for the inevitable 20 argumentative posts I'm going to find.

A2

I hear what you're saying, and in my defence, here is the post that made me think he wasn't legit.

... I walked in the room and met a very classy, genuine, woman who's intelligent, very attractive and accommodating to my requests and needs. I would love to have this woman to my self. Of all the providers and some of ladies that I have personally seen. This one I would take home to meet my mother.

It was a first time post / review of a provider that was obviously using fake pictures of Elizabeth Shue. First time poster, glowing review of a new provider using fake pictures. How is that not a red flag that other mongers need to be made aware of? Even without the review, the ad alone is a clear cut bait-and-switch situation, unless of course, Elizabeth Shue was providing escort services in Cincinnati.

But you are right. This is not my board and I am a guest. If you say no more calling out of newbies, so be it.

[Golfcart]

And, although some (providers) do respond to reviews and, in doing so, acknowledge the monger's legitimacy, many providers don't. Such responses would go a long way to verifying a monger is who he says he is, letting both mongers and providers know he is at least not LEO.

True, unless they are both compromised.

[Golfcart]

There is a million miles between "Hey this guy with two posts said XXXX, I smell bacon." EVERY FUCKING TIME somebody new shows up and not giving a referral to somebody you don't know. I'm not saying you gotta help them, I'm not saying you gotta spoon feed them, I ignore guys all the time down here on my account. All I'm saying is I'm gonna stop guys from making the forum so uncomfortable that new guys don't want to get involved.

A2

Whenever I see a "somebody" trying to make a new guy uncomfortable I assume the "somebody" is a hobby-by-computer guy and doesn't really see escorts. Otherwise the "somebody" wouldn't be in such a bad mood.

[JLZ61]

It's a natural thing, this giving the new guys shit. Hell, for me at least, it started in the junior high boy's locker room. And continues to some extent to this day (no longer in the junior high boy's locker room, though. LOL.).

Yeah, it takes time for the senior members to trust and, as it's been said many times, hitting 6 months and X number posts ain't it.

But the deal is not only do we trust the intel but is this guy LEO? What's interesting is this affects providers as much as mongers. And, although some do respond to reviews and, in doing so, acknowledge the monger's legitimacy, many providers don't. Such responses would go a long way to verifying a monger is who he says he is, letting both mongers and providers know he is at least not LEO.

The rest will still take time.

[Admin2]

I don't think its necessary to run new guys through the gauntlet, and of course Jackson's rules rule, but I would like to point out something that no one mentioned in this fracas. That one thing is that when a new guy reviews an established provider, and the provider responds to his review confirming that the new guy was a client, we then have significant confirmation that the new guy isn't a LE plant. I completely understand Admin's being pissed off about new guys getting ragged, but I (especially up here in Cleveland) would feel a lot more comfortable making a referral to a new guy if I knew he had seen a provider we can verify through the board as being real. With all due respect.

Cheech.

There is a million miles between "Hey this guy with two posts said XXXX, I smell bacon." EVERY FUCKING TIME somebody new shows up and not giving a referral to somebody you don't know. I'm not saying you gotta help them, I'm not saying you gotta spoon feed them, I ignore guys all the time down here on my account. All I'm saying is I'm gonna stop guys from making the forum so uncomfortable that new guys don't want to get involved.

A2

[Cheech1]

Note this is in blue, not black.

I'm not sure what event you to are fighting about but I have something to say about this in general.

It is way, way, WAY past fucking time for this "calling out" of noobs to end.

Do you pay for the ads to try and get new traffic to this forum? I think not.

Do you pay for the servers to run this forum? I don't think so on that one either.

What you are here is a guest, yes a guest. A guest we value and hope keeps coming to our parties but guests don't start fights with other guests in the living room.

This shit with new people is going to stop. I suggest you stop it now because this came to my attention here in the Octagon I'm not going to review your last 50 posts and then put you on moderation for the inevitable 20 argumentative posts I'm going to find.

I don't care what you went through when you started, what I'm telling you is that shit is fucking over. I will gladly trade 10 senior members for the 200 new guys they run off with that shit. Because eventually I will get rid of all the seniors that do it, and the 150 new guys that stay will become seniors someday and they won't be dicks to the new guys after them.

It's not your forum and if Jax wanted a rule like "new guys get shit on until we are out of shit" he would have written one, he didn't. What he did write was two separate rules, numbers 2, and 3 right there at the very top that say don't do shit like this.

I'm using D Nut's post for this PSA but this goes to anybody here. You don't have to help new guys, you don't have to spoon feed them. You're more than welcomed to ignore them if you wish, but what you can't do until you own this place is keep running them off.

A2

I don't think its necessary to run new guys through the gauntlet, and of course Jackson's rules rule, but I would like to point out something that no one mentioned in this fracas. That one thing is that when a new guy reviews an established provider, and the provider responds to his review confirming that the new guy was a client, we then have significant confirmation that the new guy isn't a LE plant. I completely understand Admin's being pissed off about new guys getting ragged, but I (especially up here in Cleveland) would feel a lot more comfortable making a referral to a new guy if I knew he had seen a provider we can verify through the board as being real. With all due respect.

Cheech.

[TheDaytimer]

I never though I would have to post this, but based upon several recent experiences many providers have no clue about the interaction of OILs and LATEX.

LADIES you CANNOT use LATEX condoms when you also use most OILs. This included:

-Baby Oil,

-Grape Seed Oil.

-Wesson Oil.

-Motor Oil.

-Petroleum Jelly I. E. Vaseline products.

-Hand lotions,

These "massage oils" break down the latex in condoms and often cause them to break, usually when a guy is entering or giving a good hard thrust. (unless of course you are looking for a "sneaky" BBFS session without the guilt. Also called a Surprise Creampie. ".

Use WATER BASED massage oils and lubricants or use NON-LATEX Condoms. Both are easy to get at CVS, Walmart etc in the section where you buy other family planning stuff.

[Kintaro II]

Good info about a green dot scam at the Cleveland Backpage board:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...860&viewfull=1#post2128860.


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[AdamP469]

Why would a high end escort ask you to help her with money to pay for a room for and ask you to use pay pal or green dot sounds like a ripoff job to me and if you can't afford the room then maybe you shouldn't use a high end hotel I don't think it's right of a escort to ask a client to pay half the room when she is going to work all weekend and see more then just that client and is it normal for a escort to text a client on a daily basis several times a day is she trying to keep that client from seeing other escorts that's my rant.

Is there still a high end provider even advertising on this board? I though A2 got rid of her? Anyway, the one high end provider I have seen did accept half her donation up front via green dot. Had she not come highly recommended by a provider I already knew, in this case Molly Daniels, I would have been suspicious that the green dot pre-payment was a scam. But taking into account the cost of the room she booked and her base fee for appointments, the pre-payment was basically insurance that she wasn't going to lose money if there was a last minute cancellation or if some guy was just jerking her around with no real intention of ever seeing her. I'm sure what I gave her via green dot went towards paying for the room, but I don't think she had several more appointments after seeing me, simply because there just are not that many hobbyists in this market who are going to donate several hundred bucks when they see a last minute ad posted by a high end escort, so the cost of the room probably did not get defrayed over the course of multiple appointments. As for the question about endless texts, I've. Noticed that it is becoming more common. The providers who are doing it tell me it is because they have had so many cancellations that they are nervous that if they don't keep following up with somebody, their date will be a no show.

[Admin2]

A2, is there a rule against posting rates on the new site? I see only one of 6 included them in her ad.

Rates for time is fine so long as no sexual acts are described.

[Member #4637]

The new site is open, http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/ guys you don't have to register to view.

A2, is there a rule against posting rates on the new site? I see only one of 6 included them in her ad.

[NKYGentleman]

Yes. I would do it again, without any regret. Again, and again, and again. Because frankly, the feelings of one newbie does not concern me as much as the safe mongering experience of the rest of the board. THAT is my priority.

So you got called out and had to prove you're legit. So f-ing what? We all had to prove our legitimacy one way or another. Do you think the first time I posted everyone went, "Oh my God! There's DNut. We can trust him. His word is gold. "? No. I had to build credibility. That's why I mentioned it's so important when established providers say, "Thank you. " to a newbie's review. I could care less about the newbie's review. But I do care that the established provider "legitimized" the newb by verifying that he is a monger.

I told you when I pointed out that a newbie reviewing another newbie raises a red flag, that that the weight of a review is only as much as the history of the reviewer. I stand by that.

I don't believe that this board has a protocol about having to prove your self to anyone on here. This forum is about providing intel on a provider whether she is a new or seasoned and legit. A feedback if you will for TOFTT. This was not a feeling kind of thing. As I have stated before, this was my first post and I choose this provider who happens to be a newbie too. I respect that you was concern about whether she was legit or not. I have reviewed well established providers and never got a Thank you. So that theory goes out the window. Yes, you told me that a newbie reviewing a newbie over and over is a red flag. So you jumped the gun from the get go and assumed. Now that I'm legit (not that I had to prove myself) and have some reviews under my belt, I am pointing out that you was wrong in your judgement. Just remember not everything is what you think it is.

So it is your priority to be god like and to watch over the rest of the mongers on here? I do believe we are all adults and can manage our affairs on this board. But with the spirit of brotherhood among mongers, we share intel for safety as well as not getting ripped off all the while enjoying different providers in this hobby. You the Nut, are taking this way to serious. It's ok to be concern, but your over the top.