"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JZLizard]

I second that. I have a college baby who would rather see me and get fucked silly than a big old fat man who will just eat her out and do nothing more and help her almost double than me. And I agree there is usually a very fine line between SB and UTR.

Another distinguishing feature of a true SB's versus pros I've noticed:

Escorts tend to hide what they do from their friends and family. SB's will flaunt their sugar daddy and even take him home to their parents in some cases.

I had one college SB take me to a bar district where people she knew commonly hung out. We were in a club all of about 10 minutes when she saw some friends she knew from high school. I thought she might want to hide or be discreet? Nope. The opposite. She grabbed me by the hand and pulled me over and clung onto me like I was her best boyfriend ever, as she talked to them. Made me feel like I was her trophy catch.

To most true SB's, there is no shame in having an SD, there's honor in it -- it's almost like a status symbol for them. Something to flaunt, not hide. Their families do not display shame that they do it. They sometimes post pictures of themselves with their SD traveling on FB, clearly labeling him for what he is, sometimes you see comments of encouragement from their moms and sisters!

It's just not considered prostitution to many people to have an older date on your arm that spoils you. Some of them find themselves juggling multiple random SDs for per-encounter payments, and yes they are just crossing over into UTR but a true SB is still a far cry from just putting an ad on BP and letting someone random book an appointment over the phone.

A lot has been written here about acceptance / rejection percentages. Escorts don't reject. True SB's reject more than they accept.

It's sort of the same on the SD side of the equation, right? Your middle-aged friends will be more impressed that you have a young girlfriend even if you are taking care of her financially than if you're just spending per date on a hooker that would bang anyone. It's the same way from the point of view of a true SB.

It seems not too different what's ultimately going on between the two situations (SD/SB or a john/hooker) but the same can be said about marriage where the wife is getting honey do stuff done in exchange for sex.

I find SB's to be more proud of what they do than the average stripper. Some strippers are perfectly open about what they do, whereas others try to hide it from their family. I think sugar babying is actually seen as less shameful than exotic dancing, whereas escorting is still something to be ashamed of for a girl.

[Brian139]

I second that. I have a college baby who would rather see me and get fucked silly than a big old fat man who will just eat her out and do nothing more and help her almost double than me. And I agree there is usually a very fine line between SB and UTR.

Case in point for one of my another true college grad SB: God I loved her. When we started texting, we made plans for Saturday brunch and fun afterwards, but Friday evening, we sexted some and and she got turned on big time, drove to my place wearing no panties, looking hot. We started kissing and she was already dripping wet. We had awesome sex, no protection, and I only helped her with a gas tank when she left. We met several times afterwards, I took her to shopping too. But note that an escort would not be happy for amazing sex and just a gas tank. She would have dismissed me for being cheap.

An escort has chosen this as her profession, is willing to take a chance of legal risk, for the most part will screw anyone for the right amount.

Basically a true SB wouldn't just screw indiscriminately for payment. But you'll find girls on SD sites that do. You might find girls that start out with SB intentions and find themselves falling into a more UTR pattern or eventually just becoming an all out escort, complete with BP marketing campaign.

[JZLizard]

I'd like to know what defines a sugarbaby versus an escort GFE?

An escort has chosen this as her profession, is willing to take a chance of legal risk, for the most part will screw anyone for the right amount. Slightly higher up the ladder you have UTR girls who do not want the legal risk so they don't advertise or put themselves in such significant legal jeopardy. They work mostly off word of mouth referrals or "less public" methods than BP advertising. A UTR girl understands she might not make as much as an advertised pro, because she fucks clients in lower volume. But, she will still fuck for the right price usually without caring what her customer looks like, how good he is in bed, who he is or what he has achieved in his life.

The true SB chooses her dates based on how attracted to them she is. Maybe she's hot for older men, maybe she just places a high value on her pussy and wants to be able to buy things that are out of her reach for her age and her position in life. 99% of the time it's a combination of both. Her standards for looks can be relaxed somewhat because financial success of a male partner is more attractive to all females anyway -- they don't see physical flaws as much if they see you are good at what you do and earn a good living doing it. So ultimately what attracts her to the SD is a combination of things with an expectation that a good financial position exists in all of them. She may or may not be looking for cash payment as much as she's looking for a well-to-do boyfriend. She may be in college but a very career-focused type who wants someone who can show her a good time and also help her get out of the financial conundrums that young females constantly create for herself. She looks at herself in the mirror each day and thinks "I'm so fucking hot, why would I date someone my age with no money when I can get a real man and live the good life at the same time?

Notice that last paragraph is about the "true" SB. This does not mean that you will meet true SBs every time on an SD website. There are lots of UTR girls and escorts who are SB wannabes, and there of course is not a concrete / black and white line that defines any of these categories.

Basically a true SB wouldn't just screw indiscriminately for payment. But you'll find girls on SD sites that do. You might find girls that start out with SB intentions and find themselves falling into a more UTR pattern or eventually just becoming an all out escort, complete with BP marketing campaign.

[Dirty Dingus]

I'd like to know what defines a sugarbaby versus an escort GFE?

My name on AF or SipSap is Raidersgal. I have 1 guy 1 see every week. Or at least 3 times a month. And the sex is OVER THE CHARTS. If I could find 1 or 2 more guys like that. I'd be done. So, does that make me an escort? Do "sugarbabies" only have 1 guy? Just looking for input from the guys perspective. Each time I see my regular he leaves 3 $. Sometimes it's 3 hours, sometimes 6 or even sometimes overnight.

Just looking for input. Thanks in advance.

Cheers!

K.

I think there are SB's that only have one guy, but there are quite a few that have several different guys. What makes her a SB rather than an escort? I think an escort might advertise and see numerous guys, and some only once or twice; whereas, a SB sees just one guy on a regular basis or maybe a couple guys on regular basis. In some cases its a very thin line as to which is which, and sometimes that line is crossed from one field to another.

[HollywoodGuy]

Ok, to me, sex is like pizza, even when it's bad, it's still good. But most of us have been around here and we've had everything from bad to earth shattering sex with these girls we meet. I'm curious with these SB's how many of you, or how often are you getting great sex with these girls? I know each experience is different, but so far my first few SB's were full on GFE to the max, lately it's been more just getting off. Which is fine, but I prefer more the entire experience. Also, what percentage of your SB's are truly 100% into you and the sex? I'm not asking for an ego driven response here, as we all have our own methods for getting inside their panties, rather I'm trying to gather what the percentages of these girls are truly sexually inhibited enough to really set out to get their own pleasure physically from this sort of arrangement.

My initial guess based on my limited experience is about 1/3 are, the rest just focus on the almighty dollar.

The numbers are low. When I get a keeper, I try to keep her. Bad 1st date sex means no more dates. Sometimes killer 1st date sex leads to less than good follow ups. The qualification to be a regular, is that they regularly do a good job. It's a numbers game. Paying more can help, but for me the budget must be kept. Not lookin to go broke.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Ok, to me, sex is like pizza, even when it's bad, it's still good. But most of us have been around here and we've had everything from bad to earth shattering sex with these girls we meet. I'm curious with these SB's how many of you, or how often are you getting great sex with these girls? I know each experience is different, but so far my first few SB's were full on GFE to the max, lately it's been more just getting off. Which is fine, but I prefer more the entire experience. Also, what percentage of your SB's are truly 100% into you and the sex? I'm not asking for an ego driven response here, as we all have our own methods for getting inside their panties, rather I'm trying to gather what the percentages of these girls are truly sexually inhibited enough to really set out to get their own pleasure physically from this sort of arrangement.

My initial guess based on my limited experience is about 1/3 are, the rest just focus on the almighty dollar.

[Rouleur]

I think she's full of it. My experience with the DC area was always a female to male ratio that's hugely in our favor. Pussy central. It's been years since I did any hunting in the area but I doubt it's changed that much. I knew a hottie who moved there from L. A. For work reasons. She hated it and couldn't get back to L. A. Because dating was so skewed in favor of the male there. It's an expensive place to live and a lot of high earners live there, that's maybe the only truth to her BS.

I've met a few in the past that behaved similarly to what you quoted -- they claim to already have something in progress to their liking whenever they are called out on the fact their demands are ridiculous. That's just their standard response (they have to say something on the way out to save face).

During one MG with a 7-8 SB she claimed she already had Men online wanting to pay her 5 times the $ I was offering for a trip to the FC. Just for photos of her breasts! I laughed and told her she should be home in front of a camera and not sitting there with me eating lunch. I don't mind a SB promoting their worth through a little bit of hyperbole but let's keep it within the orbit of Earth! My first MG, which I wrote about here on USA, I felt stuck in a lunch with a NFL prospect that I knew was a no go from "Hello," Now, as I've gained a bit more experience and a willingness to cut my losses and move on, I motioned for the check, paid, and left the FOS SB to finish her meal.

[JZLizard]

Above is message exchange with a about 7 looks sugrababy on SA. Nothing to die about her but I am surprised what DC area douchbags are doing. Especially, if this 30 yr old gentleman is helping her 300 for just a dinner, LOL.

I think she's full of it. My experience with the DC area was always a female to male ratio that's hugely in our favor. Pussy central. It's been years since I did any hunting in the area but I doubt it's changed that much. I knew a hottie who moved there from L. A. For work reasons. She hated it and couldn't get back to L. A. Because dating was so skewed in favor of the male there. It's an expensive place to live and a lot of high earners live there, that's maybe the only truth to her BS.

I've met a few in the past that behaved similarly to what you quoted -- they claim to already have something in progress to their liking whenever they are called out on the fact their demands are ridiculous. That's just their standard response (they have to say something on the way out to save face).

[HollywoodGuy]

I've done this recently with the girls I've seen before so I know they will show. My very first SB, the one who wants a real relationship, etc. Also, since she is often left in my vehicle alone while I run in some place, etc, I have a fake typed up insurance card I leave in the glove box and a fake receipt in the center console. Fake name, address etc. LOL. Misinformation is even better then no information I have found.

I like that ploy. I may do that.

[Brian139]

Im going to pass I am actually already communicating with a few ppl that can offer what im looking for the reality is that I am looking for someone with an income range between 300000 and 600000 which in this area is not that uncommon your right the national average is 35000 a year but in the dc md va area average is between 150000 and 750000 so its not hard for me to find a decent guy that can do 500-700 1 or 2 times a week I am already in a "untill you find better situation" with a 30 yr old guy that I see every friday we go to dinner and thats it and every time he gives me 300

Above is message exchange with a about 7 looks sugrababy on SA. Nothing to die about her but I am surprised what DC area douchbags are doing. Especially, if this 30 yr old gentleman is helping her 300 for just a dinner, LOL.

[JZLizard]

Here is what I do. I call and ask to speak to the front desk manager. Hotels know the drill and most affairs take place at hotels and believe it or not, they are used to the whole "mistress" thing. Ask them to pre-check you in under your real name (they have to for legal reasons) and than close that part of the check in and place in a fictitious name. This is what they will address you as during your stay. Also remind them NOT to slide the bill under the door.

Knowing my own luck with hotel service, I'm wondering how often they would get this right. During my last SB vacation, I had initially booked the room through Expedia for several nights, at a special rate that did not include housekeeping (and as expected the housekeepers never pestered me). I'm clean enough and don't like random knocks on the door.

Then I decided to stay a couple of extra days, so I called the front desk to extend my current accomodations, keeping everything the same. I have no idea what they screwed up but housekeeping kept knocking on the door. As soon as I would say "this is a no housekeeping room", they would leave and an hour later a different crew would show up and knock and try to clean. This was at a fairly upscale resort.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Not that I even care (about my name), but I always leave the girl in the car and go to check in. I never get the room till the girl is in the car (what if she flaked).

I've done this recently with the girls I've seen before so I know they will show. My very first SB, the one who wants a real relationship, etc. Also, since she is often left in my vehicle alone while I run in some place, etc, I have a fake typed up insurance card I leave in the glove box and a fake receipt in the center console. Fake name, address etc. LOL. Misinformation is even better then no information I have found.

[HollywoodGuy]

Here is what I do. I call and ask to speak to the front desk manager. Hotels know the drill and most affairs take place at hotels and believe it or not, they are used to the whole "mistress" thing. Ask them to pre-check you in under your real name (they have to for legal reasons) and than close that part of the check in and place in a fictitious name. This is what they will address you as during your stay. Also remind them NOT to slide the bill under the door.

I always try and check in before bringing my SB back to the room, so this way you can just go right to the room. I FUCKING HATE IT, when some gum chopping, loud mouthed check in clerk sits there and blurts out my name. "Mr. So and so" over and over and over during check in. I swear I want to reach across the counter and strangle them when they do that, as I know they are trained to be confidential. Or you get the "small talk" about where your from cause they look at your I'd.

It's like, shut the god damn fuck up already, check me in, give me my room keys and piss off. That's what I feel like telling them sometimes. LOL.

I'm a very private person as it is and this whole SB deal just exasperates this side of my personality.

Not that I even care (about my name), but I always leave the girl in the car and go to check in. I never get the room till the girl is in the car (what if she flaked).

[DirtyDeeds38]

Hotel anonymity -- if there's a way to do it please let me know. I've never tried walking up to these places with cash and a handshake, but pretty much every hotel I've been in with a true SB is on average a $150-200/ night place, sometimes half the average depending on season and where. I don't think any of the girls I've been with would follow me to one of those little roadside trucker bedbug farms, although I really like the idea as long for its sheer raunchiness, as long I didn't take home any "unexpected guests" on my clothes or luggage which is usually not good for popularity back home.

Every hotel I've been to in recent years wants a drivers license and credit card. Curious what you guys are finding.

I'm wondering if there's a market for a commericial, mobile sugardaddy RV fuck truck that has a driver, is bookable by the hour through a smartphone app. Maybe an especially long one (long truck that is, not a long app.. lol).

Like a mobile phallic symbol, painted speckled pink, the front cab could be crafted to look like a penis head maybe. Ok I'm having a little too much fun with that one but do hotels really just let you show up anonymously without I-D and let you just pay in cash?

Here is what I do. I call and ask to speak to the front desk manager. Hotels know the drill and most affairs take place at hotels and believe it or not, they are used to the whole "mistress" thing. Ask them to pre-check you in under your real name (they have to for legal reasons) and than close that part of the check in and place in a fictitious name. This is what they will address you as during your stay. Also remind them NOT to slide the bill under the door.

I always try and check in before bringing my SB back to the room, so this way you can just go right to the room. I FUCKING HATE IT, when some gum chopping, loud mouthed check in clerk sits there and blurts out my name. "Mr. So and so" over and over and over during check in. I swear I want to reach across the counter and strangle them when they do that, as I know they are trained to be confidential. Or you get the "small talk" about where your from cause they look at your I'd.

It's like, shut the god damn fuck up already, check me in, give me my room keys and piss off. That's what I feel like telling them sometimes. LOL.

I'm a very private person as it is and this whole SB deal just exasperates this side of my personality.

[JZLizard]

Hotels:
Maybe you guys date classier babes, but I have always used the cheaper chains, usually $50 / night. My 1st real SB got the hotel 1st and I would pay her back. She would book a middle grade $100 and after a few times I told her to get a basic and she was fine with it. Nobody complains. If the cash and sex are good it doesn't matter, especially if you are popping in for an hour or two only.

Hard to gauge where some of these girls are on the "classy meter" without insight into their private lives, but none of my hookups involve discussing the hotel or money up front. Its more like meeting for drinks then I charm them into coming back to the room with no discussion of payment. I gift them after the fact based on performance and the hotel room usually is what it is not because of them, it's because I have to sleep there and don't want to stay in a dump. It's fixed overhead for me, it would get paid for whether the girl is there or not. It's also usually priced at what it is based on location (I. E. Proximity to something important) and of course availability in a given area, so often if I had to go cheap I would be looking at a bedbug farm in many cases for a place in same location. But yeah in the cases I can get a decent room for $65-70 then I don't pass it up. Just depends on the situation.

If I were just scheduling a one hour romp with an UTR girl or whatever I would certainly just get the cheapest room I could find but my dates typically aren't like that. I guess most of the SBs I've had would be considered on the classy side -- I don't think any of them would have just scheduled a meeting in a hotel room or committed to sex without getting to know me. Hard to know for sure but I've scared a few good ones off and lost contact with them by being too direct, so if I find one I really want I try to use charm to my advantage as much as possible and hopefully prevent them from thinking about how much they expect to gain. I treat it all like a date with the unspoken expectation I'll send them home with some gift money. I'm pretty sure if I just outright offered the SB's I've had $100-200 for an hour or two I'd never hear from them again.