"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JZLizard]

At lunch she told me that she needed to have a more structured allowance than what I had provided to that point. I had given her cash and a couple gift cards during our visits. She then proceeded to hand me a list of her monthly expenses along with a space at the end of the page with the statement: I _ promise to Pay R_A $1800.00 per month in return for companionship and time spent together".

If an SB handed me something like that over lunch, she better hope I didn't have a mouth full of food or drink, because the spit-take I would have been unable to control due to laughter would have left a mess on her face and hair. That's one of the nuttiest things I've heard yet here, but then again I say the same about these BDSM slave contracts I hear about, maybe that's where she got the idea.

A couple of nights ago on Nightline they ran a repeat of a story about SD / SBs that mentioned the SA website and featured some words from the guy that owns SA. He said "anyone who is trading sex for money is in violation of our terms of service", and they were talking about the reason SD sites are legal in the first place is because the man is paying for companionship rather than sex.

So, between watching that and reading your story about that nutty girl's contract, it just occurred to me how it would be very easy to get locked into a legal verbal contract (verified through things like text and e-mail) to provide ongoing financial support in return for companionship only. If the girl can prove that you agreed to provide money (for of course companionship), she could have you over the barrels in court, because you would have no (legal) out, and she would only be on the hook to spend time with you, not to provide sex (even trying to argue that you were owed sex as part of the contract could get you arrested).

So guys be careful what you agree to out there, even casually in conversation. The girl could be recording the conversation using her phone (perfectly legal without her informing you she's recording it in many states).

While it's hard to imagine any judge siding with one of these girls, who knows -- a nutty female judge with a Barney Fife "to the letter of the law" attitude might rake you over the coals just to prove a point, just because you're male and she thinks you're old enough to know better, because from the legal point of view, these girls easily have full command of the situation.

I much prefer the way I do it. No mention of what they will get, I gift them based on performance after each fuck.

[FotoGuy1970]

Last week, my SDT SB tried to hook me up with her roommate. After roomie and I texted for a bit, I declined a meeting with her as I was feeling no connection with her and there was a couple of red flags in her behavior that didn't appeal to me. Also I was still seeing my free spirit SB, so I needed to keep an eye on my funds and make sure I had enough to keep seeing her and still keep SDT SB around too.

Yesterday, the roomie texted me again, hoping to meet and "see where things go from there". Since free spirit SB is no longer in the picture, I'm much more amenable to meeting the roomie. Have a meeting with her in about 90 minutes, I'll give details later.

[Blak Casper]

This girl is whack.

Not only is she Whack, she has some whack (friends) advisors.

Maybe a carry over affect from the Sterling drama.

[HollywoodGuy]

21. Mixed spinner. A bi girl I suspect has utr status. But who am I to judge?

[HollywoodGuy]

Yesterday I said good bye to a 23 yr old Coed who spent two lunches and a night with me over the last couple weeks. I was beginning to grow weary of her constantly texting me with the latest financial problems she was having on what seemed like an hour by hour basis. She would never come out and ask for me to pay for a particular bill, Doctor's appt, or tattoo, but I assumed this was her ultimate goal by keeping me so informed. Yesterday she had another idea.

At lunch she told me that she needed to have a more structured allowance than what I had provided to that point. I had given her cash and a couple gift cards during our visits. She then proceeded to hand me a list of her monthly expenses along with a space at the end of the page with the statement: I _ promise to Pay R_A $1800.00 per month in return for companionship and time spent together".

While sort of new to the the Sugar Bowl, I have not read about nor heard anything like this sort of arrangement before. A monthly allowance yes, but not an actual agreement in writing. I assume this is rare? I knew the moment I read the statement that we were finished. Not wanting to cause a scene I told her I would need to think about it and get back to her later. A few hours later I sent a text thanking her for the opportunity to have an arrangement with her but I had to reluctantly pass. I expected some kind of response but, as of writing this note, I have not heard from her. Has anyone else had a SB request some kind of formal written agreement? For me her action threw up a Red Flag so big I could use it as a comforter on my Bed.

This girl is whack.

[LandonR]

Yesterday I said good bye to a 23 yr old Coed who spent two lunches and a night with me over the last couple weeks. I was beginning to grow weary of her constantly texting me with the latest financial problems she was having on what seemed like an hour by hour basis. She would never come out and ask for me to pay for a particular bill, Doctor's appt, or tattoo, but I assumed this was her ultimate goal by keeping me so informed. Yesterday she had another idea.

At lunch she told me that she needed to have a more structured allowance than what I had provided to that point. I had given her cash and a couple gift cards during our visits. She then proceeded to hand me a list of her monthly expenses along with a space at the end of the page with the statement: I _ promise to Pay R_A $1800.00 per month in return for companionship and time spent together".

While sort of new to the the Sugar Bowl, I have not read about nor heard anything like this sort of arrangement before. A monthly allowance yes, but not an actual agreement in writing. I assume this is rare? I knew the moment I read the statement that we were finished. Not wanting to cause a scene I told her I would need to think about it and get back to her later. A few hours later I sent a text thanking her for the opportunity to have an arrangement with her but I had to reluctantly pass. I expected some kind of response but, as of writing this note, I have not heard from her. Has anyone else had a SB request some kind of formal written agreement? For me her action threw up a Red Flag so big I could use it as a comforter on my Bed.

That's one I've never heard before! I would have a hard time trying to contain my laughter as I read that. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that "contract" wouldn't hold an ounce of weight in court.

[Rouleur]

Yesterday I said good bye to a 23 yr old Coed who spent two lunches and a night with me over the last couple weeks. I was beginning to grow weary of her constantly texting me with the latest financial problems she was having on what seemed like an hour by hour basis. She would never come out and ask for me to pay for a particular bill, Doctor's appt, or tattoo, but I assumed this was her ultimate goal by keeping me so informed. Yesterday she had another idea.

At lunch she told me that she needed to have a more structured allowance than what I had provided to that point. I had given her cash and a couple gift cards during our visits. She then proceeded to hand me a list of her monthly expenses along with a space at the end of the page with the statement: I _ promise to Pay R_A $1800.00 per month in return for companionship and time spent together".

While sort of new to the the Sugar Bowl, I have not read about nor heard anything like this sort of arrangement before. A monthly allowance yes, but not an actual agreement in writing. I assume this is rare? I knew the moment I read the statement that we were finished. Not wanting to cause a scene I told her I would need to think about it and get back to her later. A few hours later I sent a text thanking her for the opportunity to have an arrangement with her but I had to reluctantly pass. I expected some kind of response but, as of writing this note, I have not heard from her. Has anyone else had a SB request some kind of formal written agreement? For me her action threw up a Red Flag so big I could use it as a comforter on my Bed.

[HappyHunter44]

I'm addicted to sugar brothers. It's got me by the balls. Is there any hope?

LOL!! Remember, commas go a long way.

You got me for about 2 seconds. I was like WTF? I saw the thing about "sugar brothers," before I read the post. Then say the balls comment. And I thought, what in the world happened to DD. He is now into sugar brothers? What are those? Wow, did the sugar babies mess him up or what.

After about two seconds, I realized you meant, "I'm addicted to sugar, brothers. ".

Thanks for the laugh of the day. It was good.

[DirtyDeeds38]

The newest addition to the A team is my jamaican princess. We just had our 6th date last nite and it was the best one yet. This is a slow moving train as she claims to have a BF. I can tell he is a bit of a dick as she is so enamored of my compliments and appreciation of a job well done. She has great skills (and follows directions perfectly) and a killer body. Sometimes being patient can pay off. Only time will tell if this can be a lasting arrangement or not.

This is an aspect I'm really noticing as well and one that pays huge dividends. We all discussed here how most of these girls likely have deep seeded issues. One of them being from having asshole boyfriends, one after another. It has amazed me how far showing them even just a wee bit of affection and giving a random compliment goes with SOME of these girls. Later, when they open up, they reveal how horribly they have been treated by their BF's Ex's and such. And many of them expect this treatment from all men and when you are genuine, it kind of blows them away.

Now we must avoid allowing them to step on us, of course. It's a balance, maintaining control, letting them know you're in charge, but not going to treat them like dirt at the same time.

One thing I learned a long time ago, is to shower a woman with niceness early on, this creates comfort for her. When she is comfortable with you, pull the niceness back and be a little standoffish for a while, Women instinctually are attracted to a challenge and will work to earn back your niceness you once showed them. It's in their nature. Use this to your advantage. And yes, I have read books on these subjects. LOL.

[JZLizard]

My MILF who I love and appreciate is on SD4 M everyday. I asked her about it and she says it's just for entertainment purposes only. LOL. But I see she is in the "hot locals" tab sometimes. The only way you can get there is to have a lot of guys clicking on your profile. Her pics would never get her to that status. So the only way would be if she was clicking on many guys profiles and then they clicked back to check her out. I don't really care as our sex is A #1 every time. I just think its funny that she feels the need to deny the fact that she is looking.

LOL. The key to avoiding a woman's lies is to simply never ask her anything.

I actually respect women more when they don't glorify their position on things.

Case A -- A stripper in an all nude strip club was giving me a spit-in-the-hand tuggy (the most I could talk her into) back in the couch room while one of my hands was knuckles deep in her. She was kind of paranoid throughout and I said "is a HJ really rare back here" and she said "well I've done it before but management gets stricter every day". Respect for admitting having done it before.

Case be -- A foreign college student and daughter of a prominent multi-millionaire (owner of a well known international company) I met on a civvy dating site always maintained that she met me there "by accident", that she was really "doing research" for school when she joined the site. Used to promise me if I married her we would be well set up for life. Never could get her to budge from her "school research" bullshit, she wouldn't let go of it.

I can't respect that, I respect the stripper more than the rich ***** for the honesty reason alone.

[HollywoodGuy]

Had a second overnight date with my SDT SB last night. She definitely put more effort into the areas that I had expressed disappointment with in our first date. At this point, she is my only SB and she said that she's not seeing any other guys, but sometimes it's hard to tell with these girls, no matter how genuine they seem. She's a very sweet girl, almost shy, and very easy to talk to. She definitely has "girl next door" written all over her. Not sure if this is a regular thing or what. I'm still looking around on SA until my membership lapses once again at the end of the month.

My MILF who I love and appreciate is on SD4 M everyday. I asked her about it and she says it's just for entertainment purposes only. LOL. But I see she is in the "hot locals" tab sometimes. The only way you can get there is to have a lot of guys clicking on your profile. Her pics would never get her to that status. So the only way would be if she was clicking on many guys profiles and then they clicked back to check her out. I don't really care as our sex is A #1 every time. I just think its funny that she feels the need to deny the fact that she is looking. I have been seeing her for almost 3 years now.

So here it is. After being with my ATF for 15 months I chipped in to get her a new (used) car. My share is $1500. I will prorate that out over at least 6 months into her allowance. In january I paid $1500 for dental work and did the same thing. The last payment is next month. As she was good about sticking to the repayment schedule I am doing it again. Is it a risk? Of course, but she is my GF so I really have no choice if I want to keep the ball rolling.

The newest addition to the A team is my jamaican princess. We just had our 6th date last nite and it was the best one yet. This is a slow moving train as she claims to have a BF. I can tell he is a bit of a dick as she is so enamored of my compliments and appreciation of a job well done. She has great skills (and follows directions perfectly) and a killer body. Sometimes being patient can pay off. Only time will tell if this can be a lasting arrangement or not.

[DirtyDeeds38]

So as I've let go most of my old SB's for various reasons,(or so I hope) I planned to take a break. About late morning, my little head got the better of me and I found myself on my sugar site sending out about 12 emails. I got 4 responses. A few making it very clear sex was not immediately on the table, tossed those. A new girl about 5 hours away caught my attention. She was 23, married, one daughter. We went to texting and she agreed to meet the same night and come to me. Wow!

Making a long story short, she arrived and was a 5'2" 110 pound spinner with a solid, toned, muscular fit type body. Face a solid 7. 5, body on the spinner scale, an easy 9. Nice round bubble butt to boot. I wanted her immediately, but the small talk had to ensue. We agreed on $ if there was no chemistry and $ $ $ if she was able to be intimate. Now for any of us mongers who've been around, we can usually sense the girls who are bi. I sensed that in this girl and some uneasiness overall with men. She was shy, would not look directly in my eyes for very long and just had an ever so slight presence of possibly being into girls about her. So I asked, kind of caught her off guard with the question and she said she was Bi. Could be interesting down the road, that's for sure.

We talked for over 4 hours and she would not indicate either way, no signals she was open for sex. So again, I just asked. She responded with, "I feel quite comfortable with you. " but no yes, or no answer. I'm growing frustrated, so I sit next to her and start kissing, she finally responds. But she is skittish, and the type who allowed me to works towards her, no return touching etc.

I lay her back on the bed, pulling clothes off and her body was even better then I thought. Seriously fit, curves just right for a petite girl and a stunning shaved pussy with huge lips just screaming at me. I went straight in for DATY and she lit of like the last firecracker on the 4th of July. I stayed down there a good 45 minutes producing 3-4 big O's for her. During the last, I slid in one finger and her pussy gripped my finger like she was ready to fall off a cliff and it was the last thing saving her. She was tight, very slowly while still working her now huge swollen clit, worked in a second and let her provide the rhythm while I licked madly at her clit. And that's when she came out of her little shy box. She start cumming and screaming, thrashing, arching her back and had one last massive O. This one she pushed me back off her and it continued for several minutes. She was glazed over as if in trance and moving her body as her orgasmic waves ran through her. I mounted myself above her and rubbed on her until she asked me to fuck her. I did not last long brothers, three minute man with this one. Wet as wet could be, yet as tight as I've had.

I'm addicted to sugar brothers. It's got me by the balls. Is there any hope?

[FredMoore]

I have a Duo off SA who contacted me yesterday. She is based in Norfolk, Va but travels from NJ to see her girlfriend. For guys who can travel somewhere near there (they will travel a little ways) contact me for her info. They want $300 each plus a room to play in. It is too rich for my blood. Their private photos look good. The lead girl is Asian spinner 22 yr old and her GF is a super hot young White girl. I would do either one of them separately or in combo.

[FredMoore]

JG, very nice thoughts and I think your approach is a sensible one to build a "real" SB. On the other hand it takes a LOT of effort, much more than showing up with cash and fucking your brains out. I have a Nando 1 right now who is the poster child of the scenario that you just described. At best she is a BC and is milking me with one disaster after the other. It is Tat and no Tit for me. I will pull the plug if she doesn't show up for her banging today.

So making the effort is very time consuming and requires forethought ,lots of cash flow ,even small amts , to put on a card or order things off the web . This is easier if you are single or real independent from your SO . It is fun and pays off with the right person, but money trumps all . Unless you are young enough to be attractive to the SB in your own right most babies are going to want their envelope . Monthly allowances only work at a higher level of Sugaring with educated girls . I do not have the time or energy to do all that shopping and thinking about what she wants and needs . I can't even get massage oil and candles on a regular basis .

[John G Smith]

I'm in a writing mood tonight.

But I started thinking did us guys shoot ourselves in the foot when we started offering allowances per date? Because often times a date equals sex, so we've started to condition new Non-Pros and SBs to get payment for every sexual encounter.

Now this came as an evolution from an allowance per month. The problem with allowance per month is that new inexperienced SDs were being taken advantage of by young tight teasing SBs. SBs might say they needed to "get to know you better" before engaging in sex or the meetups would be inconsistent even though you already paid in advance for the month. So basically for the whole month the SD was trying to catch his money's worth, often failing.

In comparison, allowance per visit is much lower risk. You're outlaying a smaller amount and the chances of getting sugar for sugar is much higher. And if the girl is a dud it's easier to drop her or phase her out. A lot of girls like it too because it's easier to find a Pay per Visit SD compared to a monthly allowance one. And they can see multiple SDs in a month, instead of being at the beck and call of one SD for an entire month.

The downside is that we're breeding a bunch of booty call and UTR girls. They obviously have their place, but I think everyone can agree it's getting harder to find real SBs who understand they need to be a pleaser and spoil their SD in order for them to get sugar. Too many of them have GPS and want to get paid just for showing up at M&G with vapid / non-existent conversation. They've gotten the "Pay me First" mentality. Perhaps those type of girls would have never made good SBs, but I think they're have been entry level Non-Pros who could have been real SBs, but the Pay per Date steered them toward UTR / GPS.

To attempt to answer my own question, I think Allowance per Visit has made SD / SB arrangements more accessible to more guys, especially those coming from the mongering world of escorts and AMPs (which is just about all of us, LOL). We can try out more girls at a reduced risk. And if things don't work out with a particular girl, at least we got a one night stand out of it. I think it's created an excellent Booty Call market. SDFM should probably change its name to Booty Call For Me. But I also think the side-effect is that establishing real SD / SB relationships is becoming harder in the current climate where everyone wants instant compensation / gratification. And with many girls nowadays even if you try to switch to a monthly allowance, their performance will deteriorate after the 1st of the month because they already got their money. Or worse they'll treat it as one mega-booty call pay day and use the rest of the month to see other SDs on pay per visit basis. That's the type of SBs we're breeding.

The key is still to get them fresh and hopefully mold them into a proper SB before they get polluted. But of course, those are hard to find.