"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

Man how come you SOB's didn't turn me on to this world before? Wow! I've had a few successful encounters, but tonight my work finally paid off. Up at 10 am and decided I was going to get laid tonight by a true SB, under age 24 who was sweet and leave no doubt in my mind I wanted to come back. All the rest were so so, but sketchy for one reason or another.

The kicker? When we finally discussed money, she said how about $100. I gave her $400! She about teared up. Grateful and as sweet as could be. She told me she really enjoyed the sex, said it was unlike anything she had before. Said her ex boyfriend was all about himself.

What a night!

You had postcoital psychosis brother. Now you have screwed the pooch and poisoned the well. She asked for $100 . Now you will never be able to go back and as the other bros said, there is always an upsell in progress with most of the babies. I would very carefully explain the her that your generosity was to secure her as your SB (initiation fee for you) but your usual is $100/ visit.

Converting a civie into an SB? Not in your home space. If she doesn't bite then she might talk this around. "You won't believe what this old dude said " "you mean Sara's grandfather, huh? " You can see how that could go.

[TravelinSD]

Met a civilian in real life and turned her into a SB? Someone you met socially who you were able to make a SD / sb proposal to? Either a social acquaintance or a total stranger. I met someone and was curious how to approach it, or even if you all think it could be done. I think it it can be done. A SB I was emailing with some time ago advised me she got into the SB scene because an older, well dressed but not attractive gentleman approached her on the street, gave her his card and basically propositioned her while she was on her way to a date with someone her own age. After drinks with the young loser her own age, she decided to call the gent. And entered the world of SD / sb relations. I'm not smooth or "suave" but the SB pool in my area seems weak, which makes the ones who are around more in demand. It's hard to even get a response on any of the websites.

In my current case, I have to be super careful, and if she told anyone it could have repercussions for me, since we have some mutual acquaintances.

I await your responses.

Norm!

There's a thread on another board wrapped around escorts becoming SBs. I think it's up to like 15 pages and gets quite snarky on both sides. Anyway, one of the posters is a guy who claims that the only true SD is one who finds someone who needs help and then turns her into an SB. He describes a clerk at a store that he frequents. He started with idle chit chat. Found out she was struggling and simply gave her his number and asked her to call if she wanted to talk about it. He has been with her for I think 3-4 years. He has guided her and mentored her to where she is now manager and doing great on her own... But still sees him. There is no set $ amount he gives her... He simply helps her. Pays rent, bought her an inexpensive car, etc. He's done this several times with several women over the years. It's interesting reading. He uses a term during the thread several times which I'm sure he would apply to what most of us on here are doing. He says if you're giving an amount of money per week, per session, per month, etc. What you really have is a "hooker on retainer". I"m not saying that's good or bad, and I'm sure many of us would agree with that. It all really comes down to semantics. The definition of an SB means so many different things to different people. Anyway, if you see that girl you're attracted to working at a minimum wage job, strike up a conversation and give it a try.

Good hunting,

Travelin'.

[John G Smith]

I recently canceled my membership at SDFM because while I had a few pots, after a month I ended up with zero girls who were even worth the effort to meet in person. Probably my worst fishing trip on SDFM ever. Granted I'm a little bit pickier now and I'm not willing to travel as far, but even when I expanded the search I wasn't really impressed with what I saw.

So I ended up canceling my membership and went back to fishing in CL. A year ago CL was pretty much a complete waste of time for me but strangely enough every single SB I've met in person and gone to the FC this year has come from CL so far. I'm as shocked as you. And these aren't fugly BBW Non-Pro CL girls. I'm getting very fresh first or second-time SBs. They all have amazing bodies, have decent faces, but take mediocre to poor pictures. It's probably how they got overlooked. Either way CL has been gangbusters for me lately.

As an example, I placed an ad a few days ago targeting Latinas because I have a thirst for them and I don't have any in my stable currently. Unlike others who specialize in CL postings in my area, I don't spam with a bunch of ads. I make a carefully worded ad that has the necessary keywords, entices the normal curious girls without scaring them off, and filters out the Pros. Then I just let the ad sit and stew for several days. Usually I don't get a response in the first 12 hours, but after 24 hours I get about 1-2 responses a day for about a week. There's so much clutter in CL that even most girls know to use the search function. So even though my ad is several days old, it gets picked up by the girls when they search.

So after placing the ad I got about 5-6 legit responses with 2-3 being good prospects. The other morning one of the responses was from a Latina who looked only slightly above average from her pic. But I was able to find her Facebook page via her name and found a photo of her wearing a bikini and she looked great. Though it was a couple of years old. Either way, it was enough for me to put her at the top of the list. She was 23, firm but real 36 Ds, somewhat athletic body-type but still curvy, and she recently got out of a long-term relationship. Fortunately I had free time at the end of the day, so we decided to meet quickly later on that day. Since I had quite a bit of intel on her already from her FB page, I took a chance with an "Office" M&G interview. When she arrived, she looked way better than her initial pictures. We talked for a while and she was impressed with the office and was pleasantly surprised that I wasn't a weirdo or super-fat guy. Many girls say they're new to SD / SB arrangements, but I could tell this girl actually was new by the type of questions she asked. After talking for a while, we got to talking about financials. She wanted certain major bills covered but I explained that while I could contribute to them I couldn't afford to pay for all of them. Now with a GPS or experienced SB that probably would have ended the conversation and left. But she mentioned how she was new at this wasn't really sure what were realistic expectations. However we got along very well so she wanted to give the arrangement a try even at the lower levels I offered.

So here is the best part, I then mention how physical chemistry is very important and that we should do a trial run to see how compatible where are right then and there on my office couch. This was the advantage of having the M&G in my office. It serves as both a public and private place and if things go well, it can quickly transform into a FC. She paused for a second but then after thinking for a moment, she was completely down for it without asking for any money! When she stripped out of her clothes her body was just as good if not better than the bikini photo I saw on FB. We had wild uncovered sex (oops) in various positions and then she took a facial and then licked all the cum off her face. I was in awe. God I love Latinas. She was new to SB / SD arrangements but she was a sex freak and truly enjoys sex and pleasing a man. To recap, I had BBFS with a 23 year-old Latina who swallowed and licked every last tablespoon of my cum and I didn't pay a single penny for it. I did give her a gift card I had lying around but that was it. I've never had this kind of experience from the girls I met off the SD sites. It was basically a free trial sex, LOL. I told her we'd talk the next day to see if we were both interested in proceeding with the arrangement.

So yes CL has been a real boon for me. My CL Teacher SB is more into passionate sex while this CL Latina likes it more aggressive and is a bit more freaky. Both contrast each other well and gives me variety. And there's another girl I met off CL a couple of weeks ago who is a little petite blond hottie, but I'll talk about her more at a later date.

I'm starting to think it's still possible to use CL to catch girls before they graduate onto to the SD sites. For starters, some girls don't want to have a public profile of themselves looking for a sugar daddy. They prefer to respond discretely to individual ads while they feel out the whole sugar daddy thing, so CL is better suited for them and less of a commitment than having a profile on a SD site. The SD sites will still have a higher volume of actual SBs. My CL ads my net about 3-6 responses over a week whereas on a SD site you could get that many responses in a few hours if you message enough girls. But if you have a talent for mining CL (which is pretty hard), there are definite first-time SBs to be found. I've had 3 genuine first-timers in 4 months.

[John G Smith]

Budgeting.

I always start out with the $ per visit, but I know there are always going to be extra payments for one thing an another. So far this year I am at about $.3 overall. But my ATF is at $.5. If I started out at $$ it would probably end up at $$.5. Lets call it SB creep.

This is a very good point. Give yourself room to grow with your allowance. Ideally your initial offer shouldn't be your top end. Exceptions being if you know that you'll probably only see her a few times, but if there's a chance of long-term potential then give yourself a cushion to grow because you don't want the "SB $ creep" put you in a financial strain down the line.

[Rouleur]

I've come to expect certain questions to come up before the M&G. At first I'd cut and paste from past emails, but now I just have it saved on a word document.

I have my thought out responses to different questions ready to go, but would make some quick edits when necessary.

At Rouleur: Congrats on your good time. Are there plans to see her again?

Thank you Dolato, we were supposed to get together tonight but rescheduled for Saturday.

My question to the Senior Members who've been in the Sugar Bowl for a while: Do you recommend seeing multiple Sugar Babies? My first impulse, now that I've had a great first time experience, is to just go silent on SA and not nurture any other situations. However, the cancellation of tonight, while understandable as to why, left me sitting here writing on this Forum rather than buried deep into some warm fun that I had been expecting.

Also, did you start off trying to see multiple Babies from the beginning of your joining the Bowl? I understand some Members have almost a Season each year where they can play but for others, what was the road you took to seeing multiples? Is anyone here playing this game by just seeing one SB at a time?

Would love to read some of your thoughts on this topic.

[HollywoodGuy]

Man how come you SOB's didn't turn me on to this world before? Wow! I've had a few successful encounters, but tonight my work finally paid off. Up at 10 am and decided I was going to get laid tonight by a true SB, under age 24 who was sweet and leave no doubt in my mind I wanted to come back. All the rest were so so, but sketchy for one reason or another.

So I started the mass, but thoughtful emails. Sent out 21 in all and got 11 responses within 6 hours. Narrowed those down to three I was texting and all three were willing to go out tonight. Went with my gut, ironically the only one were there was no discussion of sex, or price. We had not time, so we just met.

She was 20,5'2 120 pounds, very pretty down to earth small town girl. No baggage, fresh on SA. Drove two hours to her town and met for dinner. This girl was as advertised! Sweet, bubbly, touchy feely, pretty and had me wanting her the moment she walked in.

Finished up dinner and went to her car (her request) and chatted. We began kissing. I asked her if she was open for some intimacy and like a true lady, she said, "I really like you and I am attracted to you, maybe sometime" Asked her if she wanted to get a room at nice hotel and she agreed.

At the hotel, it was on. Great, great GFE sex. I went DATY on her and she had a massive screaming orgasm, jumped on top of me and rode me like a wild bronco. I thought I must be fucking dreaming. Only issue was no protection, but mid way through I asked her if she could get pregnant and she assured me she was on the pill. (this brings up another topic, as all these girls I've been with don't even mention condoms, there are fine and down with going bare back, so how do we know they are not out to trap one of us?).

Her pussy was wet, tight, pink and pretty. This girl was beautiful, sweet and I could not resist. I came inside her, so I hope like a mother she was not fibbing about being on birth control. How do you guys handle this? We laid and chatted for about for about an hour and then she went down on me. Very sensual, slow BBBJ and we went at it again.

I want to thank everyone for the sound advise here. It paid off in a great way tonight and I finally figured out why we do this. It can be unbelievable rewarding! I treated this girl as she deserved, kind with respect, gentle, and aimed to please. She was most grateful and so was I!

The kicker? When we finally discussed money, she said how about $100. I gave her $400! She about teared up. Grateful and as sweet as could be. She told me she really enjoyed the sex, said it was unlike anything she had before. Said her ex boyfriend was all about himself.

What a night!

No comment, No comment, No comment. LOL. Join the club.

The only requirement for membership is the desire to fuck hot, younger (and preferably grateful) NP girls.

I think we can safely assume she was all of those.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Man how come you SOB's didn't turn me on to this world before? Wow! I've had a few successful encounters, but tonight my work finally paid off. Up at 10 am and decided I was going to get laid tonight by a true SB, under age 24 who was sweet and leave no doubt in my mind I wanted to come back. All the rest were so so, but sketchy for one reason or another.

So I started the mass, but thoughtful emails. Sent out 21 in all and got 11 responses within 6 hours. Narrowed those down to three I was texting and all three were willing to go out tonight. Went with my gut, ironically the only one were there was no discussion of sex, or price. We had not time, so we just met.

She was 20,5'2 120 pounds, very pretty down to earth small town girl. No baggage, fresh on SA. Drove two hours to her town and met for dinner. This girl was as advertised! Sweet, bubbly, touchy feely, pretty and had me wanting her the moment she walked in.

Finished up dinner and went to her car (her request) and chatted. We began kissing. I asked her if she was open for some intimacy and like a true lady, she said, "I really like you and I am attracted to you, maybe sometime" Asked her if she wanted to get a room at nice hotel and she agreed.

At the hotel, it was on. Great, great GFE sex. I went DATY on her and she had a massive screaming orgasm, jumped on top of me and rode me like a wild bronco. I thought I must be fucking dreaming. Only issue was no protection, but mid way through I asked her if she could get pregnant and she assured me she was on the pill. (this brings up another topic, as all these girls I've been with don't even mention condoms, there are fine and down with going bare back, so how do we know they are not out to trap one of us?).

Her pussy was wet, tight, pink and pretty. This girl was beautiful, sweet and I could not resist. I came inside her, so I hope like a mother she was not fibbing about being on birth control. How do you guys handle this? We laid and chatted for about for about an hour and then she went down on me. Very sensual, slow BBBJ and we went at it again.

I want to thank everyone for the sound advise here. It paid off in a great way tonight and I finally figured out why we do this. It can be unbelievable rewarding! I treated this girl as she deserved, kind with respect, gentle, and aimed to please. She was most grateful and so was I!

The kicker? When we finally discussed money, she said how about $100. I gave her $400! She about teared up. Grateful and as sweet as could be. She told me she really enjoyed the sex, said it was unlike anything she had before. Said her ex boyfriend was all about himself.

What a night!

[Dolato]

For that reason, I'm going to start recycling and saving texts and email. LOL.

Well, off to the hunting grounds to try and find another.

I've come to expect certain questions to come up before the M&G. At first I'd cut and paste from past emails, but now I just have it saved on a word document.

I have my thought out responses to different questions ready to go, but would make some quick edits when necessary.

At Rouleur: Congrats on your good time. Are there plans to see her again?

[HollywoodGuy]

Well the closest you can get to an amateur is to be the first guy to pay her. That's always my ultimate goal. But hard to find. I have done it more than a few times for sure. But need some utr's to fill in along the way.

Quantity over Quality.

If you have enough quantity there will always be some quality in there. As far as I am concerned every girl is an unknown (looks and financial status aside) until you meet in the FC.

Budgeting.

I always start out with the $ per visit, but I know there are always going to be extra payments for one thing an another. So far this year I am at about $.3 overall. But my ATF is at $.5. If I started out at $$ it would probably end up at $$.5. Lets call it SB creep.

Size.

Yes it does matter. For anal a girl may prefer a smaller one. Just to stare at or give a HJ. The bigger the better. For intercourse usually above average helps. But for enough sugar you will always have the biggest one ever.

I was with a utr girl not long ago.

I say "so how do like daddies big cock".

She says "I've seen bigger".

I guess I wasn't paying her enough. LOL.

[Norm Gerd]

Met a civilian in real life and turned her into a SB? Someone you met socially who you were able to make a SD / sb proposal to? Either a social acquaintance or a total stranger. I met someone and was curious how to approach it, or even if you all think it could be done. I think it it can be done. A SB I was emailing with some time ago advised me she got into the SB scene because an older, well dressed but not attractive gentleman approached her on the street, gave her his card and basically propositioned her while she was on her way to a date with someone her own age. After drinks with the young loser her own age, she decided to call the gent. And entered the world of SD / sb relations. I'm not smooth or "suave" but the SB pool in my area seems weak, which makes the ones who are around more in demand. It's hard to even get a response on any of the websites.

In my current case, I have to be super careful, and if she told anyone it could have repercussions for me, since we have some mutual acquaintances.

I await your responses.

Norm!

[GeorgeRichmond]

Some FB research on the girl once I know her name has actually saved me from wasting time on a pig or two, since the photos they post there tend to reveal more.

I agree. I have been trying to find twitter, FB or just google image search gave me good details. Many of the newbies don't know that their real email or phone number can give lot more details. I just found one POT SB with fraud charges or one POT with all kind of smoke, going with others..! It helped me...to avoid those POTs.

[JZLizard]

In the past I've had a couple of times in civy dating M&Gs that were disappointing in the sense that the reality didn't quite live up to the photo, but I think I was lucky in that I don't think any of them were intentional false advertising cases. My SB meets have been the opposite -- their real looks have turned out as good as or better than their photos. Maybe one key to success has been asking early on for recent photos (in addition to any profile pics), and if any aspect of photos was dodgy or seemed to be hiding something I asked for a few more. Be wary of photos that have been filtered with instagram and the like. Don't worry if their profile pics are dodgy or limited, they may just want privacy, its the ones you receive in follow up that matter most.

That sucks that that happened to you after a long drive like that, I can imagine how disappointing it must have been. It sounds like she willingly misrepresented herself, and in that case I would have felt no guilt in just walking away like she said other guys had done.

Some FB research on the girl once I know her name has actually saved me from wasting time on a pig or two, since the photos they post there tend to reveal more.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Did a M&G last night, drive 3 hours to Charleston for this one. She assured me sex was on the table after a M&G. Her photos on her profile were waist up, hair done, makeup, likely a professional photo. She looked hot on there. We had been emailing and texting for over a week. Hundreds of texts (lots of work and I'm cutting back on this aspect now).

So I show up, settle in with a beer and wait for her. She texts she has arrived and is looking for me. Well, she walked right by and I did not recognize her. Yep, you guessed it, she was ugly as sin. Girl has on baggy jeans, was short stocky, massive, big boned girl, hair pulled back, no makeup. ETC., She was 26, but looked like an un-kept middle aged housewife. My first thought was literally, "you couldn't pay ME to fuck you.".

She was an educated, well spoken girl. I drove four hours, so I figured we could have a few drinks, might as well. She had a huge chest, but no ass, and I don't care for women with a big bone structure. She was nearly as wide as she was tall. Totally not my type. She even told me she had a few men show up and walk off. I was like, "didn't that tell you something, be honest with who you are!

She did say she wanted to meet for sex dates and told me she likes sex. Really, no shit, as I doubt most guys would do you for free, was what I was thinking. I went along with it, and was polite, bought her dinner, etc. But will not be in contact.

Moral of the story was not so much I felt mislead, as that will happen with this hobby, but was anger at myself for all the damn time spent texting and emailing and realizing I was going to have to start all over with that, with another girl.

For that reason, I'm going to start recycling and saving texts and email. LOL.

Well, off to the hunting grounds to try and find another.

[FredMoore]

I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?

I like the idea of a chat with her about what your needs are. Some girls just do not love sex and never will others will treat it as means to an end. But, if you are an attentive lover you might back off on the make out scene and work on pleasuring her. First with a long massage followed by clitoral stim, oral, and finally intercourse. If she has not had an O by the time you have done all that then either 1) you don't have skills in the pleasuring department, or 2) she is frigid, perhaps damaged goods from trauma, abuse, or whatever.

[Rouleur]

In the early hours of the morning, in a suite at the MC Resort in Las Vegas, I had one of the most enjoyable sexual encounters of my 56 year old life. My 20 year old Amerasian friend arrived early and we had 6 hours of talking, tasting, listening, exploring, penetrating, and coming. Feb 11 2013 was the last time I had sex with my Ex, the night our marriage ended. The joy of tasting the wet warm and almost cliche tight flower of my friend is beyond my ability to describe. I've had some medical issues that sometimes gave me ED problems during my marriage. That was not remotely a problem last night. In fact I am wondering now if the ED was more a symptom of the routine semi comatose sex my Ex provided rather than my Cardiac problems.

I wish I had the skill to adequately describe my encounter in a way that was entertaining for my fellow SD's Unfortunately all I can offer is that I am the happiest and most physically satisfied that I've been in years... And we are getting together again on Thursday!

By the way, other than ordering some room service food for her, no money was exchanged, no talk of compensation, nothing. I did slip a gift card into her bag while she was in the shower and it was very much appreciated. Thanks again for the Seniors who offered advice and encouragement during my first tentative steps in the Sugar Bowl.