Massage Parlor Reports

[Admin2]

Part of my mandate from Jackson when I took the job was to stop noob bashing. It inhibits the growth of the forum. This is the one warning to you guys that think it's fun, stop it now. Jax and I have spoken about this on several occasions and these are his words.

If I didn't want new guys asking questions, I would have written a rule that said so.

He did however write two rules right at the top regarding flaming people and starting fights. Nobody is required to answer them. Yes some of them can be irritating, put them on your ignore list. If they get really irritating report the post, if I think they are being a pain in the ass I'll take care of it. I'm not sure how anybody could think posting "You pathetic lazy newb. Go away." was not in direct violation of rule number 2 right there at the top.

No Flaming: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member.

From reviewing the thread I have a pretty good idea who is going to fight me on this. I'm asking you now, please don't. I'm going to win in the end. If I have to I'll shut all the Northern Virginia threads down for 6 months and let it all start again, I will. The pussy isn't going anywhere, neither are the guys that want it. It will take a year, but it will come back.

If you guys want a fight thread so you can call noobs assholes and argue about tips, I'll give you one. All we want to do is keep the review threads focused on reviews. I'm not asking you to do anything beyond that.

Speaking of the tip discussion, can we get past it and go back to talking about pussy?

Thanks,

A2

[JmSuttr]

If they are trying to be a "legit" place, having a description like:

"With beautiful professional friendly asian female therapists." is not required. I have gone to "legit" massage places (staff by both Asian and non-Asian therapists) where there is no reference to how pretty the therapists are. This place is set-up to service male clients.

Again referencing their ad: SPECIAL PRICE IS OFFERED JUST FOR $49. This was not offered to me. This is similar to the other Chinese operations where they lure you in with a low price than charge you the regular Chinese AMP rate of 60/ hr. I seem to recall a couple of posters griping about the "special" price at the Hunter Mill Rd. Chinese AMP location.

I highly doubt the therapist I had, works only for the tips. She is probably the co-owner. And she probably doesn't declare cash tips to the IRS, just like a restaurant's wait staff. LOL.

But she did give you a great massage, by your own admission. A great massage for which you tipped her not a single cent.

As far as the price is concerned, 60 per hr is pretty standard, even for legit shops, so I have no idea what your beef is there. If you had a problem with the price, you should have complained to the manager when you paid, which I'm guessing was BEFORE the massage. And as far as her being the co-owner, that's nothing more than your imagination working overtime to try to justify the fact that you stiffed her.

And the bit about not declaring her tips is a complete non sequitur. Whether she does or not is between her and the IRS. Are you also saying that you regularly refuse to tip waiters and waitresses because of the possibility they may not be declaring all their tips? Oh, and how do you know whether the waiter who serves you is a co-owner or not?

What's crystal clear is that you were pissed that you didn't get your HE and you took out your frustration on a masseuse who had done nothing but give you a great massage and politely refused to do anything more. Hey, you're human and that happens from time to time.

In your first post you halfway admitted that you screwed up when you said you thought you should have tipped her but you talked yourself out of it. Better stop while your ahead because these rationalizations are starting to sound pretty silly.

Just a couple of final points, wait staff also don't work exclusively for tips. So your analogy once again falls flat. And about the special price at Hunter Mill, I have personally gotten the 49/ hr price on multiple occasions because I specifically asked for it (it wasn't volunteered). But even if I hadn't, it wouldn't have been the masseuse's fault and I wouldn't deny her the tip she deserves.

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[Kamen]

I think you should call HCC (Herndon Chinese Condo)!

Another winner at the FCCC!

I saw Ya-Ya today. Tall, slender, maybe see cups. Nice long brownish hair, BEAUTIFUL face! She is from far Western China and looks almost European.

She has studied massage in school and knows how to do a real massage. Massage lasted about 15 minutes on the back and upon the flip all the things we go see these girls for was done any way I wanted, for as long as I could with no complaints.

This one is really a good one so go see her. Her English is okay and she said she would be here for ONE WEEK only.

Search this forum if you do not have the phone number. Do not ask me.

WATTA GIRL!!

[Birdie14]

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[Watta]

Another winner at the FCCC!

I saw Ya-Ya today. Tall, slender, maybe see cups. Nice long brownish hair, BEAUTIFUL face! She is from far Western China and looks almost European.

She has studied massage in school and knows how to do a real massage. Massage lasted about 15 minutes on the back and upon the flip all the things we go see these girls for was done any way I wanted, for as long as I could with no complaints.

This one is really a good one so go see her. Her English is okay and she said she would be here for ONE WEEK only.

Search this forum if you do not have the phone number. Do not ask me.

WATTA GIRL!!

[Serpico99]

According to Serpico's post, she completed the massage, did a great job and didn't walk out early. So just like any massage therapist (Asian, non Asian, or whatever) she provided the service and reasonably expected a tip. Massage therapy is a service profession, just like waiting tables, and tipping is customary and expected unless the service provided is poor (which Serpico stated was not the case). According to all the circumstances as I understand them, she deserved a tip and was understandably miffed when Serpico refused.

I have absolutely no idea what he means by "Chinese syndicate operation" but it's important to remember there are plenty of legit Asian massage establishments where extras are not ever on the menu. Since Serpico said this was a brand new place, there's no way he could have known beforehand what type it was. So he took his chances and TOFTT, which is great for the board because now we have the benefit of his report. But the fact is that this place appears to be completely legit and the therapist deserved to be treated like any other legit massage therapist.

I also don't get the logic of saying that the "place needs to do more to compete" or his attempted justification that "too many of these Chinese syndicate operations are popping up," If a waitress provides great service but doesn't offer you a free dessert, would you say she doesn't deserve a tip because they (the restaurant owners) need to do more to compete and too many of those types of restaurants are popping up?

Bottom line: legit masseuse + great massage = deserves a tip. Doesn't matter if she's Asian, Martian, undocumented or papered up one side and down the other!

If they are trying to be a "legit" place, having a description like:

"With beautiful professional friendly asian female therapists." is not required. I have gone to "legit" massage places (staff by both Asian and non-Asian therapists) where there is no reference to how pretty the therapists are. This place is set-up to service male clients.

Again referencing their ad: SPECIAL PRICE IS OFFERED JUST FOR $49. This was not offered to me. This is similar to the other Chinese operations where they lure you in with a low price than charge you the regular Chinese AMP rate of 60/ hr. I seem to recall a couple of posters griping about the "special" price at the Hunter Mill Rd. Chinese AMP location.

I highly doubt the therapist I had, works only for the tips. She is probably the co-owner. And she probably doesn't declare cash tips to the IRS, just like a restaurant's wait staff. LOL.

[JmSuttr]

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...430191897.html

TOFTT at a new place I've been wanting to try. Short version: Completely legit, decent massage, not worth a repeat visit, details below.

Called to set up an appt, no answer and no voice mail (message said voice mailbox not set up). Then received a text asking what time I wanted to come. I made the appt for 6:30, got there at 6:25, texted that I had arrived but no answer. The location is a two story office building with a locked front door, so I waited to see if anyone would come out and then I called. The therapist answered, said someone would come down and after a couple of minutes a Chinese guy opened the door, told me to go upstairs and kept walking to go outside.

When I got to the office my therapist was Kim, an attractive Chinese woman in her mid to late 30's. The massage started at 6:40 and she did a decent job. She spent a long time on my back (covered with a sheet) and didn't do any teasing which left me wondering about the flip and the possibility of extras. She had me flip and started on my head and the underside of my neck. After about 5-10 minutes of that she said "all finished" and walked immediately out of the room. She did absolutely no massage of my front side at all, not even the legit massage parts, and was gone before I could even ask her about anything! Then, when I looked at the clock, I saw she had finished at 7:28 so the massage didn't even last a full hour.

Despite how the ad makes it look, according to Kim this is a two person massage business with one female (Kim) and one male therapist (who also does acupuncture). No TS available, no extras on the menu and she never stays until 10 pm. She said the latest she will take a client is 7:30. Oh, in case you were wondering, the pics in the ad are not Kim.

IMHO, even for legit massage this place falls short. They charge .8 for an hour and my favorite legit massage places in the same area ( http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...430570995.html and http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...428791052.html) both charge only .7, deliver a much better massage and NEVER short you on time.

I paid the .8 and left .15 as a tip. I would have tipped a full 20 percent if she had given me the full hour and done a thorough legit massage. FWIW, much better value to be had elsewhere.

[MrSunnyHills]

According to Serpico's post, she completed the massage, did a great job and didn't walk out early. So just like any massage therapist (Asian, non Asian, or whatever) she provided the service and reasonably expected a tip. Massage therapy is a service profession, just like waiting tables, and tipping is customary and expected unless the service provided is poor (which Serpico stated was not the case). According to all the circumstances as I understand them, she deserved a tip and was understandably miffed when Serpico refused.

I have absolutely no idea what he means by "Chinese syndicate operation" but it's important to remember there are plenty of legit Asian massage establishments where extras are not ever on the menu. Since Serpico said this was a brand new place, there's no way he could have known beforehand what type it was. So he took his chances and TOFTT, which is great for the board because now we have the benefit of his report. But the fact is that this place appears to be completely legit and the therapist deserved to be treated like any other legit massage therapist.

I also don't get the logic of saying that the "place needs to do more to compete" or his attempted justification that "too many of these Chinese syndicate operations are popping up," If a waitress provides great service but doesn't offer you a free dessert, would you say she doesn't deserve a tip because they (the restaurant owners) need to do more to compete and too many of those types of restaurants are popping up?

Bottom line: legit masseuse + great massage = deserves a tip. Doesn't matter if she's Asian, Martian, undocumented or papered up one side and down the other!

I agree with JS. IMHO for $60 list price, $10 - 15 is reasonable. Not high, but not nothing. Even when I get Groupons for regular massage (at places where I expect no extras), I typically leave at least 15% on what would be the regular retail rate...

[JmSuttr]

Serpico,

I have to agree with you. These places and the women who work there have to be aware that their male customers, while they may appreciate a great massage, are really after the "after-massage" extras. If they give a great massage and can find a way to graciously reject your advances, then perhaps they are due a tip. But if she walked out on you, she doesn't deserve it. I'm not sure about the remuneration structure at a Chinese massage establishment. But I would have to assume that she's getting something for her time and effort. And I would have to guess that a good percentage of them are un-documented. So if she's getting $20 per hour, that's a nice salary for someone who would not be able to earn minimum wage outside of the establishment.

LexLuther.

According to Serpico's post, she completed the massage, did a great job and didn't walk out early. So just like any massage therapist (Asian, non Asian, or whatever) she provided the service and reasonably expected a tip. Massage therapy is a service profession, just like waiting tables, and tipping is customary and expected unless the service provided is poor (which Serpico stated was not the case). According to all the circumstances as I understand them, she deserved a tip and was understandably miffed when Serpico refused.

I have absolutely no idea what he means by "Chinese syndicate operation" but it's important to remember there are plenty of legit Asian massage establishments where extras are not ever on the menu. Since Serpico said this was a brand new place, there's no way he could have known beforehand what type it was. So he took his chances and TOFTT, which is great for the board because now we have the benefit of his report. But the fact is that this place appears to be completely legit and the therapist deserved to be treated like any other legit massage therapist.

I also don't get the logic of saying that the "place needs to do more to compete" or his attempted justification that "too many of these Chinese syndicate operations are popping up," If a waitress provides great service but doesn't offer you a free dessert, would you say she doesn't deserve a tip because they (the restaurant owners) need to do more to compete and too many of those types of restaurants are popping up?

Bottom line: legit masseuse + great massage = deserves a tip. Doesn't matter if she's Asian, Martian, undocumented or papered up one side and down the other!

[LexLuther]

New place on Loudoun Co., (Ashburn). Advertises on CL (not Swan). A few miles off of 28. Another Chinese syndicate operation, but the place was very clean. The provider was pretty good looking for a Chinese (early 40's). Massage was great. On the flip, I tried to coax her into std. NoVa. She said they don't do that here and she would not continue if I kept on coaxing her. Ok, whatever. After wiping me down with hot towels (at the end of the session), I again tried to gently coax her but she politely refused and walked out. 60 for an hr. I didn't give her a tip and she was like, WTF. Well again, I told her give me 5 minutes with you and I'll tip you. But she again said no. I began to walk out and she was a bit miffed. After thinking about it, I should tipped her something because she did a real good job on the massage but then again, too many of these Chinese syndicate operations are popping up so, IMO, this place needs to do more to compete. And I didn't feel like making a gazillion visits just to make her comfortable with me and give me std. NoVa. F- that. LOL.

Anyone else visit this place, back channel if you had good luck with this spot.

Serpico,

I have to agree with you. These places and the women who work there have to be aware that their male customers, while they may appreciate a great massage, are really after the "after-massage" extras. If they give a great massage and can find a way to graciously reject your advances, then perhaps they are due a tip. But if she walked out on you, she doesn't deserve it. I'm not sure about the remuneration structure at a Chinese massage establishment. But I would have to assume that she's getting something for her time and effort. And I would have to guess that a good percentage of them are un-documented. So if she's getting $20 per hour, that's a nice salary for someone who would not be able to earn minimum wage outside of the establishment.

LexLuther.

[Kijimuna]

So one of my friends works as a hotel based massage girl and will do HJs only and is totally upfrknt about that. She doesn't allow touching because she said she gets too sore from guys squeezing her tits and jamming their fingers in her pussy all day. Recently a customer got really aggressive with her and basically tried to force his fingers in her, but she resisted and got him to leave. Now he is texting her non stop, threatening that he will call the police if she doesn't return his money for the massage. He says he recorded her during the massage and is going to give it to the police. LOL.

It will be pretty funny if he actually does try to get her busted. He will be arrested for sexual assault.

[JmSuttr]

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[Birdie14]

I was wondering if there's any Full service massage shop or escort in northern va?

I read a post about FCCC on alrlington Blvd by another poster. What is the address? What does FCCC stand for?

Thanks.

[Serpico99]

New place on Loudoun Co., (Ashburn). Advertises on CL (not Swan). A few miles off of 28. Another Chinese syndicate operation, but the place was very clean. The provider was pretty good looking for a Chinese (early 40's). Massage was great. On the flip, I tried to coax her into std. NoVa. She said they don't do that here and she would not continue if I kept on coaxing her. Ok, whatever. After wiping me down with hot towels (at the end of the session), I again tried to gently coax her but she politely refused and walked out. 60 for an hr. I didn't give her a tip and she was like, WTF. Well again, I told her give me 5 minutes with you and I'll tip you. But she again said no. I began to walk out and she was a bit miffed. After thinking about it, I should tipped her something because she did a real good job on the massage but then again, too many of these Chinese syndicate operations are popping up so, IMO, this place needs to do more to compete. And I didn't feel like making a gazillion visits just to make her comfortable with me and give me std. NoVa. F- that. LOL.

Anyone else visit this place, back channel if you had good luck with this spot.