The Massholes

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Overall I got to say, she was little over rated. Nice lady, and yeah don't look at the face. I'm glad I tried but I won't be repeating. I'll say this about her and it fits in with what Deb says. I didn't begruge this chick the 120 US I paid her. From the moment I stepped in the door until I left her focus was on my pleasure. When I told her that her pleasure was part of mine she was game, game, game. The first O was fake so I smacked her ass and told her to knock that off. Number 2, 3, and 4 weren't though. It was impressive to see. The pics were touched up pretty well, her boob job wasn't well done. Over all physically I would give her a solid 6, service was an easy 9.999999999 though so I was ok with the number. Again, glad I did it, won't be repeating. For the same money I can do my favorite for the same money actually 20 bucks less and equal service. Yeah that pic is 100% WYSIWYG, she just didn't answer her phone today.

Here's another one of her so you can really hate me. If you want to see more go here http://www.area-vip.com.ar/area/areavip.htm and check out Angie. This is the ho I'm trying to turn into a housewife.

Skater I'm part of a lobbying group to constitutionally require chicks to get bolt ons in Argentina, I love those fucking things.

[Deb4512]

After all I'm a sex positive feminist and fair is fair. If I ask you out I pay! As far as the Other Board is concerned, hate to say it, but I find it elitist. You aren't allowed to have certain opinions or you will be slammed by virtually everyone. I had the personal opinion that verifying by asking real name, work info, address is risky for the guys and not a good idea for obvious reasons, at least to me. I was slammed by the board admins, the escorts and even the guys! They told me I was just as bad as a SW. Elitist! For one thing if an SW wants to be a SW let them be! I mean if they aren't bothering anyone or causing a nuisance what's the point of harassing them and just because an escort calls herself an escort and charges $700 an hour with pics in the Beaver Hunt, who says that she is any better than an SW anyway? Elitist attitude. I can't stand that. It was my opinion and nobodies business if I feel that that sort of verifying is a bad idea, and it caused a scene. I found a way to verify without asking for the personal info. And if anyone says that their personal info is safely kept by escorts who drill them and try to invade their privacy they are either naive or insane. Hello out there, is anybody home? Agencies who are taken down and the blacklists used as evidence, the zumba instructor. It doesn't keep an escort safe as a psycho can take all that info and get rid of it after seeing the escort and besides some psycho's want to be caught anyway. As far as LE you really thing LE doesn't know how to get around screening info.?? Anyway, it's all common sense to me. I'm verifying. I finally found a way by using a discreet verifying site where I don't have to ask for info. All I need is a phone number, googling numbers like you guys do, and another free site as a back up, and my techniques avoided me headaches in NY and here in MA.

As far as the prices of escorts are concerned, escorts will charge whatever they want to charge, doesn't mean guys have to pay their prices. I personally think $700 to $1000 an hour is a lot of money, but with their services it involves candles, rose petals on the bed (yes you read correctly, rose petals, if you guys like rose petals pay the price. Didn't know that guys liked that sort of thing) a fancy hotel room, an escort who's had work done, looks perfect (some escorts who don't look perfect charge a lot too. Just check out NYC prices, damn!) oh yeah, but for that kind of money don't think you are going to see her anymore than an hour for the $700. I betcha she wouldn't let you go 5 min over, but I may be wrong. And when it says tips appreciated on top of $700 an hour I cringe, plus Prada, Gucci, Victoria's Secrets if you want to bring her gifts. It does add a level of class, and the guys who see them are probably millionaires to billionaires who want and expect rose petals on the beds, I just say it's all materialist BS. A SW and a high class escort do the same damn thing at the end of the day. It's the same, just different levels of services. And by the way, can someone tell me what financial domination is and why a guy would want to be financially dominated. I've seen that service offered on some of the escorts websites and I roll my eyes LOL.

There are reason though that escorts do charge the same if not more than doctors and lawyers is, and I'm speculating, for one the risks involved: potential STDs, LE, danger involved. Also because of various costs, especially hotels and travel. Lingerie, make up, stockings, shoes... Escorting can be emotionally and mentally draining. Women tend to be the more sensitive sex as far as showing feelings and vulnerability. The majority of women I have met are seeking love and committed relationships, so escorting can be distressing for women with that mind set. She also learns about the mostly hidden aspects of men, which probably bursts her naive, idealistic bubble. I kind of like it actually. I find the stories on here amusing and enjoy reading the uncensored thoughts of the average male. "Which and how many holes did you bang?" LOL What else, she has to be in a good mood at all times (what guy wants to pay a woman to listen to her bitching, complaining and telling them her problems. She's got to be on her best behavior (although with the stories I've read on this board, that is not always the case LOL) Physically draining is obvious. LOL. Also dealing with the negative opinions that people outside of the industry have can effect her self esteem. She's got to keep this side of her life a secret, so most likely she can't have friends outside of the business, and if she tries to make friends with other escorts, as I've found out, wow! Many are F"ed up! I'd prefer to hang around the men. Most of the guys here are very intelligent and insightful. I really like that a lot. By the way "May Gate" was so funny it had me cracking up when I was in NYC.

Anyway there are reasons why escorts charge. And there are reasons that you guys should be willing to pay (and I"m not saying pay $700 an hour unless you must have your rose petals! So we don't get emotionally attached to you if that's not what you want. Some of you are married and don't want to deal with the headache of have a nagging mistress trying to get you to leave your wives. Single guys might want to stay single. What I've read is that "you pay us to leave" which I don't find offensive in the least. Those of you who want to hang and talk before or after the session, that's great, I love that. If you want to come in and leave without much talking that's fine with me as well. But as far as rates are concerned I determine them on how I feel in each given situation. I have a steady client with a disability. He works only part time and also receives a small amount of money from the government, so I charge him a lot less. My rates are based for one by the financial situation of the guy, number two I must actually like that guy a lot to reduce the rates. I don't do this for everyone, although I have a propensity to reduce the rates for the guys on this board, because I like you guys.

This may surprise you, but some guys refuse to pay a low rate, absolutely refuse! I advertised on an elitist site and by the way it's an expensive site to advertise on, so I charge the lowest amount that anyone charges on the site which is, $300 an hour, because of my age and weight. Well darn that a guy called me, knew my age and weight and asked if I charged $700 an hour! I laughed and said, "That's way too much!" He told me he was from NYC visiting and that's how much he wants to pay me and hung up on me! I think I was way too insecure to take that much money from someone and didn't know if he was expecting PSE and I'm GFE, but weirdly enough the next guy I saw from that site argued with me. He said he didn't want to pay me $300 an hour, but felt more comfortable giving me $400 an hour. I say to each his own. I don't understand men sometimes, actually I mean I don't understand people in general sometimes lmao. But just as long as what a person does doesn't hurt me or anyone else I say let them do it!

[Skatar018]

Nothing amatter with that face IMO, but yeah that body. Not a huge fan of bolt-ons (don't mind them) seems a lot of the providers in BsAs have them, would you say the majority get bolt-ons? .

Regarding your date today, I would say stay focused on her body because the face, well, stay focused on the body. Then again you may have spoiled us with the picture of the blow job girl from earlier and perhaps I am being too critical.

http://www.soloindependientes.com/es...3-5705_834.htm
She's a little older (pushing 40) but has about 10,000 reviews down here and all the guys say the same thing. She's got the mind and talent of a mature provider but the body of a 20 year old. I hope I get out alive.A2.

FYI guy no one get out of this alive!, see ya in the second circle of hell (Lust), perhaps in your case it's the third circle of hell (Gluttony), either way you get my meaning.

[Deb4512]

Prostitution Legalized in New Jersey.

Sometimes we retired folks are faulted for always thinking that the world is going to hell in a handbasket. But sometimes it's just the plain truth.

I hate to report to my friends in the rest of the country -- and I apologize in advance if anyone is offended -- but something is going on here in the east that is disturbing to a number of people. Yesterday, Gov. Chris Christie signed a bill into law legalizing prostitution in the state of New Jersey.

The move was hailed by the Business Association of Greater Atlantic City. "Finally, we can offer a full-service entertainment package," said Tommy Manicotti, executive manager of the Boardwalk Hotel & Casino. "We will now have a hat trick -- gambling, alcohol and prostitution -- and we'll be able to compete head-to-head with the entertainment industry in Nevada. It's about time New Jersey entered the 21st century.".

The measure was opposed by several women's groups including the New Jersey chapters of NOW, Planned Parenthood and MADD. "It's an outrage," said Alice Meadows, executive director of Women in Business in Camden, NJ. "Prostitution is unsafe, unsound, and unsavory. And no matter what the governor or anyone else in Trenton says, prostitution exploits women and leaves them exposed to dangers too numerous to count.".

But the new law, called "The Women's Right to Control Their Own Bodies," did find some support among women in Atlantic City. Said Trixie Norton, manager of One Trick Pony Bar and Grill on Ventor Ave., "This will double my business. And I bet it will bring down the unemployment rate, too.".

Walt Stone, of Gay Pride Princeton, objected to the naming of the bill, pointing out that men can be prostitutes as well, although he went on to say that his organization supports gay sex in the context of a long-term, mutually respectful monogamous relationship.

Some Democratic critics charge that Christie, a Republican, is trying to distract people from the Bridgegate scandal, although he did garner considerable backing for the bill from Democrats in the New Jersey state legislature. There was some support from out of state as well. Said former New York Governor Eliott Spitzer, "It makes perfect sense, because it will cut down the crime rate, free up police for more pressing activities, and mitigate overcrowding in New Jersey prisons.".

Former Congressman Anthony Weiner could not be reached for comment, but he is rumored to have tweeted: "My bad, you bad, we all bad," in a message that was taken to lend support for the new law.

However, former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg released a statement opposing the bill. It said in part: "There is a well-established link between prostitution and smoking, and as such I cannot in good conscience support such a measure. In addition, I have already expressed my full-throated opposition to the Big Gulp.".

New Jersey state officials estimate that the law will bring in approximately $4 billion per year in direct expenditures, plus additional dollars for ancillary businesses such as bars and casinos. Since prostitution will be subject to the hospitality tax of 11%, instead of the normal sales tax of 7%, officials also estimate that legalizing prostitution will bring in over $400 million to state coffers, largely from out-of-state tourists. The money is targeted to improve health care and to help New Jersey schools fulfill common core requirements in sex education.

John Fillbine, creator of the "I Love New York" campaign of the 1980's, who now lives in the tony suburb of Chatham, NJ, commented, "Let's get real. This is a long-overdue step away from hypocrisy, and toward giving New Jersey a much-needed leg up in the tourist business. After all, you can go to Colorado to get high. But now you can come to New Jersey to get laid.

[Member #4868]

Anyway, the chick on our local board that I was talking about wrote me back today. Man was she pissed. She went on and on about how her relationships with her clients weren't all about sex, and how I was a horrible, horrible man!

I answered by saying "I guess you don't want the 50 bucks for giving up the bootie then?

I've been reading Debs posts and she seems like a really cool chick. I could see hanging out with her. Going to grab a meal, having a coffee, talking about the hobby from a professional viewpoint. I think she would be an interesting, engaging woman. The point is, I'm not going to pay her to do that because I'm an interesting engaging man. I'll be a friend to anybody that's not an asshole and doesn't try and get into my pocket, but there are these providers that think I should pay them to talk to me? WTF! I've said it before and I'll say it again. I fucking love working girls but so many of them forget that they are prostitutes. When I'm paying, somebody needs to be naked. Now if you're one of those that can be interesting and engaging WHILE you're naked I'll certainly pay more, but I'm not paying somebody to drink a cup of coffee. I have a ton of friends (guys and gals) that will do that for free.

Am I boring you guys? If I am please let me know. Easter week is a bad, bad, bad time to be in BsAs, most of the girls are with family so I'm fucking bored. I have something lined up for an hour from now (I got lucky) and she's a legend down here. I've been wanting to have this experience for a long, long time.

http://www.soloindependientes.com/es...3-5705_834.htm

She's a little older (pushing 40) but has about 10,000 reviews down here and all the guys say the same thing. She's got the mind and talent of a mature provider but the body of a 20 year old. I hope I get out alive.

A2.

You keep posting your views as far as I am concerned. I personally think it is a breath of fresh air. A nice change from all the fawning, white knight manginas that post here occasionally and especially on oThER. You go there and call a girl a prostitute and you will be blacklisted at the very least.

Regarding your date today, I would say stay focused on her body because the face, well, stay focused on the body. Then again you may have spoiled us with the picture of the blow job girl from earlier and perhaps I am being too critical.

[Admin2]

Anyway, the chick on our local board that I was talking about wrote me back today. Man was she pissed. She went on and on about how her relationships with her clients weren't all about sex, and how I was a horrible, horrible man!

I answered by saying "I guess you don't want the 50 bucks for giving up the bootie then?

I've been reading Debs posts and she seems like a really cool chick. I could see hanging out with her. Going to grab a meal, having a coffee, talking about the hobby from a professional viewpoint. I think she would be an interesting, engaging woman. The point is, I'm not going to pay her to do that because I'm an interesting engaging man. I'll be a friend to anybody that's not an asshole and doesn't try and get into my pocket, but there are these providers that think I should pay them to talk to me? WTF! I've said it before and I'll say it again. I fucking love working girls but so many of them forget that they are prostitutes. When I'm paying, somebody needs to be naked. Now if you're one of those that can be interesting and engaging WHILE you're naked I'll certainly pay more, but I'm not paying somebody to drink a cup of coffee. I have a ton of friends (guys and gals) that will do that for free.

Am I boring you guys? If I am please let me know. Easter week is a bad, bad, bad time to be in BsAs, most of the girls are with family so I'm fucking bored. I have something lined up for an hour from now (I got lucky) and she's a legend down here. I've been wanting to have this experience for a long, long time.

http://www.soloindependientes.com/es...3-5705_834.htm

She's a little older (pushing 40) but has about 10,000 reviews down here and all the guys say the same thing. She's got the mind and talent of a mature provider but the body of a 20 year old. I hope I get out alive.

A2.

[Admin2]

I used to like you but you are killing me with this shit.

I would give Ledger's left nut to get hour long head from this girl. Hell, both his nuts for that matter (don't worry he can afford it).

She's literally around the corner from the monger mansion, and the only difference between those pics and now is she's put on maybe 5 lbs, and cut her hair. She's about the sweetest girl you could ever hope to meet as well. Pretty much every guy that stays here gets up, goes and gets breakfast, then swings by her place for a morning tune up. I'd bet a substantial amount of money she's sucked at least 5,000 cocks in her life. That, boys and girls, is the woman I want to take home to meet my momma. The fucking "girl next door" can stay next door.

[Member #4868]

http://escorts.gemidos.tv/escorts-mujeres/estrella and her's costs 25 bucks. Don't let the strapon scare you, I think that was the photographers idea, she only does the MOST spectacular HOUR long, no rest, tell me how you like it baby and please, please, please cum in my mouth blowjobs.

A2.

I used to like you but you are killing me with this shit.

I would give Ledger's left nut to get hour long head from this girl. Hell, both his nuts for that matter (don't worry he can afford it).

[Admin2]

I'm going to say it a 1000 times, I can go longer without pussy then they can without paying rent. The girls that get involved in our local forum here almost always get an inflated sense of value because soooooo many guys come here for a week and time is worth more than money to them. I get it, I just don't play it.

I just had a girl on our forum PM me today and ask me why I've never called her. I told her "what you charge is crazy." She wrote me back and said "It's what guys pay in the USA." I wrote and answered, "We aren't in the USA, we are in Argentina where doctor earns 150 dollars for working a 24 hour shift in charge of a hospital and you think it's worth 100 dollars to me to spend an hour with you." She told me "But I'm the best." I said, "there are 30,000 sex workers in this city, I can fuck 90 percent of them for less than 50 bucks, 80% of them are younger, hotter, and better than you. What exactly makes you the best? I would like to tap your ass someday because it's really nice, but that's going to get you 40 not 100 dollars (all prices were in the Peso equivalent, if you're ever here never negotiate or pay in dollars) if you don't want that money, no drama, there are 29,999 more that do. If these other guys are dumb enough to pay you that, good for you but stop insulting my intelligence." Yeah it's kinda harsh but that's what happens when you are no longer hostage to pussy.

There is no shortage or pussy on this planet, more than 50% of the inhabitants have one. I'm not denigrating working girls, I fucking love working girls, but why would I ever pay one more than a doctor earns? The value of ANY commodity and at the end of the day, all bullshit aside, commercial pussy is a depreciating commodity is ALWAYS defined by what somebody will pay for it, not what somebody wants to charge for it. The customer ALWAYS has ALL of the power in a luxury market.

And the standard "I'm more because I'm worth it" doesn't work with me. I've had 1300 blowjobs in my life, odds are yours isn't going to be the best. It might be good, it might be great even but it's not going to be better than hers http://escorts.gemidos.tv/escorts-mujeres/estrella and her's costs 25 bucks. Don't let the strapon scare you, I think that was the photographers idea, she only does the MOST spectacular HOUR long, no rest, tell me how you like it baby and please, please, please cum in my mouth blowjobs.

A2.

[Skatar018]

First I am proud of all you guys for bringing the debate to Massholes, sometimes things work like they're suppose to.

I get where all of you are coming from & we've all seen this topic come up many many times before.

I know I'll take my lumps for this (please be gentle) but speaking for myself I don't care what amount another guy pays, I know what I will pay & if that is not agreeable I say no & move on.

I know I know I'm not a MP guy & I've never been on a table with the expectation of leaving happy & paying the standard amount only to hear $80 for a HJ, but if I did I would tell her no thanks & tip her appropriately for the message. If she gets too many nos she will change her rate.

To go along with YF & A2 of market pricing. I picked up a girl & said what I would pay & she said 80 BJ & 100 sex as that's what the last guy paid her, told her no way that's way out of wack & we couldn't agree on amount & service. She asked to get dropped off & I pulled over to comply, she said we're miles from the track, told her to get out went & got another gal for half of what she quoted for sex. I see her out a lot & she awlays waves & I wave back as I drive on by.

Feel the same applies for service level from a provider. Several mongers had seen a provider & most had a good time including myself, however a couple did not, I wanted to post & dispute their claims but realized that was their experience not mine.

I've come to realize I am not responsible for the amount others pay or their good or bad times with a provider, only what I will pay & my own good or bad times.

Of course Ledger6969 could just be trying to fan the flames with saying the amount he paid.

[Yardape08]

I am with A2, About a year ago I was meeting one of my regulars and she happened to be with her daughter who was 19 at the time. I managed to get the daughters phone number from the mother under the guise that I may be able to help the young single mother out with some household work. I got in touch with this little hottie, light skinned black girl 5'1 100 lbs with very healthy rack. Bottom line is that when I hit her with my true intentions she told me flat out that it was not going to happen so I broke off contact and moved on.

Fast forward to about 5 weeks ago, after some encouragement from a fellow monger I sent this girl a text and within a few minutes she was asking if I could help her out with some cash. At this point I told her I would like to reach an agreement with her and again a flat out "NO". I waited a minute and texted her back "$200" she replied quickly and negotiations started regarding service level and this is where it hit bottom again as I want full GFE (not Mike Williams style hand job GFE) at this point contact was broken off.

Within 2 days she responded back and said she would meet my demands but it would cost $350, Now it was my turn to give her a flat out "NO". Over the next 2 weeks she texted me a few times trying to negotiate with me but I held my ground.

To make a long story short by the end of the second week I got my full GFE (not Mike Williams style hand job GFE) and complete bare service $100 and a large half bacon pizza and a steak and cheese sub. This girl was worth the investment in time. She is totally into it and loves sex, the only problem now is that I can't shake her and she texts me everyday looking for some cash and take out food. I guess life could be worse.

Yes it is certainly not the watered down MikeWilliams88 version of GFE LOL! Always remember that you are the customer and hold ALL the cards. The $ never leaves our hands unless we want it too.

Admittedly it took some practice to become effective at saying no to girl's $ demands for service but ultimately it is quite satisfying to reject an offer I deem too high. Oftentimes I am ready to see a girl and end up pulling the plug and I do so very politely and actually feel quite content that I am heading home that day without pulling the trigger and am empowered when I realize I still have the $ in my wallet to spend another day.

I used to hate negotiating but now just see it as normal business practice and more often than not am able to work things out with the girl both in level of service and $ amount. After all it is a business arrangement and I don't let my emotions get in the way. And it is very rare indeed that I succumb or accept anything below my personal standard of very high GFE.

And I have to add that because of Yellowfever's due diligence I am able to achieve the same rate with the aforementioned girl although on occasion have had to up the ante with an extra Oreo Cookie milk shake here and there. Before the pm's begin I regret to say that this girl wishes to remain UTR and I am unable to provide any contact info.

Too often hobbyists accept rates and levels of service as etched in stone. I will say from personal experience that this is not the case and you may be surprised at the success you can have in all venues of the hobby not limited to AMP's, Escorts, Streetwalkers, Strip Clubs and UTR girls. MikeWilliams88 GFE be damned!

[Yellowfever023]

I had to come to South America to learn to be more "manly" for lack of a better word. I have learned that kissing asses never works with women, well unless I'm literally kissing their asses then a little tongue never hurt anybody but I digress.

Last night I was talking to this coffee shop girl, in any state in Sex Prison she would be considered a 10, maybe an 11.5'2" maybe 100 lbs, blonde hair to her ass, nice tight, TIGHT body, titties a little biggish for her frame. She was asking for 120 bucks for CBJ, front door / back door for an hour. Any of you guys would have jumped it in a second. However I'm not in that market, I'm in Buenos Aires, where a doctor makes 150 bucks for a 24 hour on call shift. A kid working at a 7-11 makes 600 bucks for a month, working 6, 12 hour days a week.

I looked her right in the eye and said "There are 30,000 sex workers in this town, of that 30,000, 3,000 are better looking than you. Of that 3,000,2900 of them charge less and will do BBBJ's, 1000 of them will let me spew on their faces if I want, I offered her 80 bucks, uncovered BBBJ covered sex for a minimum of 2 hours and she wouldn't get paid until she delivered.

She left in a huff and went and sat at some other table. I stayed where I was and after 5 or 6 Argentines offered her 60 bucks, she looked at me and nodded her head. I shook mine and offered 70. She took it.

Some people might think this was mean. I don't and I'll tell you why. I know what is customary for the market here in terms of price, hotness, and service. She misread me as another stupid tourist that she could overcharge and under perform. Her asking price was an insult so I responded in kind.

Do I support her right to charge whatever she wants, absolutely. As well as her right to decide what level of service she's comfortable with. No question, her body, her choice. Do I have to be a fucking lapdog and hope if I treat her right and give her everything she wants she might give me a good time? Fuck that, my pleasure is her fucking business. I can go way longer without pussy than she can without paying rent. Deb doesn't strike me as one but I have no fucking tolerance for these "princess" providers. Fucking gift lists! Are you fucking kidding me? I do the same thing here. If an advertiser wants to know the quickest way to get an ad deleted. Send me a PM asking me why their free ad hasn't been posted yet.

On the other hand I can be incredibly sweet to chicks that have a great work ethic. One of my steadies here that is always thinking up inventive ways to keep the hours fresh and interesting. (She puts my shoes on for me when I'm getting dressed) mentioned the other day that she wanted to improve her English. (Any would be an improvement, she speaks none) So the next time I was going to see her I stopped at a bookstore and picked up the first book in a self paced course in English and gave it to her. She's a sweetie that always takes good care of me, never asks for a thing besides the price, and goes out of her way. I'll reinforce that behavior everytime. What is key was she expected nothing and was really overwhelmed by the gift. I told her if she finishes it, I'll get her the next one in the series. Today when I stopped in she had the book and had worked the first couple lessons. After we were done we laid in the bed and I helped her with the stuff she was having problems with. To me it's all about who is being rewarded for what. I'm respectful and polite at all times but I refuse to behave in a way hoping to get the reward, or curry favor, that's their job.

Sorry, rant over.

I am with A2, About a year ago I was meeting one of my regulars and she happened to be with her daughter who was 19 at the time. I managed to get the daughters phone number from the mother under the guise that I may be able to help the young single mother out with some household work. I got in touch with this little hottie, light skinned black girl 5'1 100 lbs with very healthy rack. Bottom line is that when I hit her with my true intentions she told me flat out that it was not going to happen so I broke off contact and moved on.

Fast forward to about 5 weeks ago, after some encouragement from a fellow monger I sent this girl a text and within a few minutes she was asking if I could help her out with some cash. At this point I told her I would like to reach an agreement with her and again a flat out "NO". I waited a minute and texted her back "$200" she replied quickly and negotiations started regarding service level and this is where it hit bottom again as I want full GFE (not Mike Williams style hand job GFE) at this point contact was broken off.

Within 2 days she responded back and said she would meet my demands but it would cost $350, Now it was my turn to give her a flat out "NO". Over the next 2 weeks she texted me a few times trying to negotiate with me but I held my ground.

To make a long story short by the end of the second week I got my full GFE (not Mike Williams style hand job GFE) and complete bare service $100 and a large half bacon pizza and a steak and cheese sub. This girl was worth the investment in time. She is totally into it and loves sex, the only problem now is that I can't shake her and she texts me everyday looking for some cash and take out food. I guess life could be worse.

[Yardape08]

PW my good friend I am in agreement. I think we are seeing Ledger6969 true colors. To steal a phrase from a previous battle "Fucktard" is a needy boasting hotheaded turd. Ledger first you throw fiery daggers in PM's at me and accuse me of something that made no mention of you nor had anything to do with you. Although you apologized after I took you to task you clearly are a quick tempered guy. Now you have the need to brag about tipping if in fact you really do. You must be an absolute joy to deal with. Maybe excessive tipping is the only way you can get the poor girl to give you the time of day. It would be a pleasure at times like this if we had a delete button.

Double? Are you fucking kidding me? So you are tipping $80 for a HJ with maybe some roaming. Seriously, why? If I am tipping $80 I am getting, at the very least, a CBJ with plenty of UTC T&be roaming but the girl must be petite and hot. If she is average she gets $60 and is that's that. I have had EPIC sessions of FS, BBBJ etc for $100, are you saying that you are tipping $200 for FS? Are your sessions doubly epic? LMFAO.

I have to agree with PW & DH, I see no reason to double the tip for average service. You are not the only member who can afford to do it, lots of us can, but common sense wins over throwing money away.

I have visited Michelle recently at her other location in CT. Always tip very well I tip double what you guys think is the norm. I can afford it so I have no problem doing it but, tipping is personal. Michelle. I have tipped very well. Sometimes, maybe I feel she maybe not quite up to the norm that day. I still tip the more than generous amount.

You may think tipping is personal however in this game when you overtip it has a direct affect on everyone else by raising the girl's expectations on the rest of us. Some hobbyists are lucky to scrape up just enough $ to have fun once in awhile and in my view it is a selfish act just because you can afford it as you say. I have read many reports about members paying the standard tip for average service and they receive a big pout from the girl because of arrogant high rollers like you who precede them. Are you trying to win their affection and hope they like you by overpaying? Do you also brag to them about what kind of car you drive? If so I think this behavior is pathetic and they probably ultimately view you as a bore and a chump.

[Dh1610]

PW my good friend I am in agreement. I think we are seeing Ledger6969 true colors. To steal a phrase from a previous battle "Fucktard" is a needy boasting hotheaded turd. Ledger first you throw fiery daggers in PM's at me and accuse me of something that made no mention of you nor had anything to do with you. Although you apologized after I took you to task you clearly are a quick tempered guy. Now you have the need to brag about tipping if in fact you really do. You must be an absolute joy to deal with. Maybe excessive tipping is the only way you can get the poor girl to give you the time of day. It would be a pleasure at times like this if we had a delete button.

Double? Are you fucking kidding me? So you are tipping $80 for a HJ with maybe some roaming. Seriously, why? If I am tipping $80 I am getting, at the very least, a CBJ with plenty of UTC T&be roaming but the girl must be petite and hot. If she is average she gets $60 and is that's that. I have had EPIC sessions of FS, BBBJ etc for $100, are you saying that you are tipping $200 for FS? Are your sessions doubly epic? LMFAO.

[Member #4868]

Always tip very well I tip double what you guys think is the norm. I can afford it so I have no problem doing it but, tipping is personal.

Double? Are you fucking kidding me? So you are tipping $80 for a HJ with maybe some roaming. Seriously, why? If I am tipping $80 I am getting, at the very least, a CBJ with plenty of UTC T&be roaming but the girl must be petite and hot. If she is average she gets $60 and is that's that. I have had EPIC sessions of FS, BBBJ etc for $100, are you saying that you are tipping $200 for FS? Are your sessions doubly epic? LMFAO.