The Massholes

[Admin2]

I'm going to say it a 1000 times, I can go longer without pussy then they can without paying rent. The girls that get involved in our local forum here almost always get an inflated sense of value because soooooo many guys come here for a week and time is worth more than money to them. I get it, I just don't play it.

I just had a girl on our forum PM me today and ask me why I've never called her. I told her "what you charge is crazy." She wrote me back and said "It's what guys pay in the USA." I wrote and answered, "We aren't in the USA, we are in Argentina where doctor earns 150 dollars for working a 24 hour shift in charge of a hospital and you think it's worth 100 dollars to me to spend an hour with you." She told me "But I'm the best." I said, "there are 30,000 sex workers in this city, I can fuck 90 percent of them for less than 50 bucks, 80% of them are younger, hotter, and better than you. What exactly makes you the best? I would like to tap your ass someday because it's really nice, but that's going to get you 40 not 100 dollars (all prices were in the Peso equivalent, if you're ever here never negotiate or pay in dollars) if you don't want that money, no drama, there are 29,999 more that do. If these other guys are dumb enough to pay you that, good for you but stop insulting my intelligence." Yeah it's kinda harsh but that's what happens when you are no longer hostage to pussy.

There is no shortage or pussy on this planet, more than 50% of the inhabitants have one. I'm not denigrating working girls, I fucking love working girls, but why would I ever pay one more than a doctor earns? The value of ANY commodity and at the end of the day, all bullshit aside, commercial pussy is a depreciating commodity is ALWAYS defined by what somebody will pay for it, not what somebody wants to charge for it. The customer ALWAYS has ALL of the power in a luxury market.

And the standard "I'm more because I'm worth it" doesn't work with me. I've had 1300 blowjobs in my life, odds are yours isn't going to be the best. It might be good, it might be great even but it's not going to be better than hers http://escorts.gemidos.tv/escorts-mujeres/estrella and her's costs 25 bucks. Don't let the strapon scare you, I think that was the photographers idea, she only does the MOST spectacular HOUR long, no rest, tell me how you like it baby and please, please, please cum in my mouth blowjobs.

A2.

[Skatar018]

First I am proud of all you guys for bringing the debate to Massholes, sometimes things work like they're suppose to.

I get where all of you are coming from & we've all seen this topic come up many many times before.

I know I'll take my lumps for this (please be gentle) but speaking for myself I don't care what amount another guy pays, I know what I will pay & if that is not agreeable I say no & move on.

I know I know I'm not a MP guy & I've never been on a table with the expectation of leaving happy & paying the standard amount only to hear $80 for a HJ, but if I did I would tell her no thanks & tip her appropriately for the message. If she gets too many nos she will change her rate.

To go along with YF & A2 of market pricing. I picked up a girl & said what I would pay & she said 80 BJ & 100 sex as that's what the last guy paid her, told her no way that's way out of wack & we couldn't agree on amount & service. She asked to get dropped off & I pulled over to comply, she said we're miles from the track, told her to get out went & got another gal for half of what she quoted for sex. I see her out a lot & she awlays waves & I wave back as I drive on by.

Feel the same applies for service level from a provider. Several mongers had seen a provider & most had a good time including myself, however a couple did not, I wanted to post & dispute their claims but realized that was their experience not mine.

I've come to realize I am not responsible for the amount others pay or their good or bad times with a provider, only what I will pay & my own good or bad times.

Of course Ledger6969 could just be trying to fan the flames with saying the amount he paid.

[Yardape08]

I am with A2, About a year ago I was meeting one of my regulars and she happened to be with her daughter who was 19 at the time. I managed to get the daughters phone number from the mother under the guise that I may be able to help the young single mother out with some household work. I got in touch with this little hottie, light skinned black girl 5'1 100 lbs with very healthy rack. Bottom line is that when I hit her with my true intentions she told me flat out that it was not going to happen so I broke off contact and moved on.

Fast forward to about 5 weeks ago, after some encouragement from a fellow monger I sent this girl a text and within a few minutes she was asking if I could help her out with some cash. At this point I told her I would like to reach an agreement with her and again a flat out "NO". I waited a minute and texted her back "$200" she replied quickly and negotiations started regarding service level and this is where it hit bottom again as I want full GFE (not Mike Williams style hand job GFE) at this point contact was broken off.

Within 2 days she responded back and said she would meet my demands but it would cost $350, Now it was my turn to give her a flat out "NO". Over the next 2 weeks she texted me a few times trying to negotiate with me but I held my ground.

To make a long story short by the end of the second week I got my full GFE (not Mike Williams style hand job GFE) and complete bare service $100 and a large half bacon pizza and a steak and cheese sub. This girl was worth the investment in time. She is totally into it and loves sex, the only problem now is that I can't shake her and she texts me everyday looking for some cash and take out food. I guess life could be worse.

Yes it is certainly not the watered down MikeWilliams88 version of GFE LOL! Always remember that you are the customer and hold ALL the cards. The $ never leaves our hands unless we want it too.

Admittedly it took some practice to become effective at saying no to girl's $ demands for service but ultimately it is quite satisfying to reject an offer I deem too high. Oftentimes I am ready to see a girl and end up pulling the plug and I do so very politely and actually feel quite content that I am heading home that day without pulling the trigger and am empowered when I realize I still have the $ in my wallet to spend another day.

I used to hate negotiating but now just see it as normal business practice and more often than not am able to work things out with the girl both in level of service and $ amount. After all it is a business arrangement and I don't let my emotions get in the way. And it is very rare indeed that I succumb or accept anything below my personal standard of very high GFE.

And I have to add that because of Yellowfever's due diligence I am able to achieve the same rate with the aforementioned girl although on occasion have had to up the ante with an extra Oreo Cookie milk shake here and there. Before the pm's begin I regret to say that this girl wishes to remain UTR and I am unable to provide any contact info.

Too often hobbyists accept rates and levels of service as etched in stone. I will say from personal experience that this is not the case and you may be surprised at the success you can have in all venues of the hobby not limited to AMP's, Escorts, Streetwalkers, Strip Clubs and UTR girls. MikeWilliams88 GFE be damned!

[Yellowfever023]

I had to come to South America to learn to be more "manly" for lack of a better word. I have learned that kissing asses never works with women, well unless I'm literally kissing their asses then a little tongue never hurt anybody but I digress.

Last night I was talking to this coffee shop girl, in any state in Sex Prison she would be considered a 10, maybe an 11.5'2" maybe 100 lbs, blonde hair to her ass, nice tight, TIGHT body, titties a little biggish for her frame. She was asking for 120 bucks for CBJ, front door / back door for an hour. Any of you guys would have jumped it in a second. However I'm not in that market, I'm in Buenos Aires, where a doctor makes 150 bucks for a 24 hour on call shift. A kid working at a 7-11 makes 600 bucks for a month, working 6, 12 hour days a week.

I looked her right in the eye and said "There are 30,000 sex workers in this town, of that 30,000, 3,000 are better looking than you. Of that 3,000,2900 of them charge less and will do BBBJ's, 1000 of them will let me spew on their faces if I want, I offered her 80 bucks, uncovered BBBJ covered sex for a minimum of 2 hours and she wouldn't get paid until she delivered.

She left in a huff and went and sat at some other table. I stayed where I was and after 5 or 6 Argentines offered her 60 bucks, she looked at me and nodded her head. I shook mine and offered 70. She took it.

Some people might think this was mean. I don't and I'll tell you why. I know what is customary for the market here in terms of price, hotness, and service. She misread me as another stupid tourist that she could overcharge and under perform. Her asking price was an insult so I responded in kind.

Do I support her right to charge whatever she wants, absolutely. As well as her right to decide what level of service she's comfortable with. No question, her body, her choice. Do I have to be a fucking lapdog and hope if I treat her right and give her everything she wants she might give me a good time? Fuck that, my pleasure is her fucking business. I can go way longer without pussy than she can without paying rent. Deb doesn't strike me as one but I have no fucking tolerance for these "princess" providers. Fucking gift lists! Are you fucking kidding me? I do the same thing here. If an advertiser wants to know the quickest way to get an ad deleted. Send me a PM asking me why their free ad hasn't been posted yet.

On the other hand I can be incredibly sweet to chicks that have a great work ethic. One of my steadies here that is always thinking up inventive ways to keep the hours fresh and interesting. (She puts my shoes on for me when I'm getting dressed) mentioned the other day that she wanted to improve her English. (Any would be an improvement, she speaks none) So the next time I was going to see her I stopped at a bookstore and picked up the first book in a self paced course in English and gave it to her. She's a sweetie that always takes good care of me, never asks for a thing besides the price, and goes out of her way. I'll reinforce that behavior everytime. What is key was she expected nothing and was really overwhelmed by the gift. I told her if she finishes it, I'll get her the next one in the series. Today when I stopped in she had the book and had worked the first couple lessons. After we were done we laid in the bed and I helped her with the stuff she was having problems with. To me it's all about who is being rewarded for what. I'm respectful and polite at all times but I refuse to behave in a way hoping to get the reward, or curry favor, that's their job.

Sorry, rant over.

I am with A2, About a year ago I was meeting one of my regulars and she happened to be with her daughter who was 19 at the time. I managed to get the daughters phone number from the mother under the guise that I may be able to help the young single mother out with some household work. I got in touch with this little hottie, light skinned black girl 5'1 100 lbs with very healthy rack. Bottom line is that when I hit her with my true intentions she told me flat out that it was not going to happen so I broke off contact and moved on.

Fast forward to about 5 weeks ago, after some encouragement from a fellow monger I sent this girl a text and within a few minutes she was asking if I could help her out with some cash. At this point I told her I would like to reach an agreement with her and again a flat out "NO". I waited a minute and texted her back "$200" she replied quickly and negotiations started regarding service level and this is where it hit bottom again as I want full GFE (not Mike Williams style hand job GFE) at this point contact was broken off.

Within 2 days she responded back and said she would meet my demands but it would cost $350, Now it was my turn to give her a flat out "NO". Over the next 2 weeks she texted me a few times trying to negotiate with me but I held my ground.

To make a long story short by the end of the second week I got my full GFE (not Mike Williams style hand job GFE) and complete bare service $100 and a large half bacon pizza and a steak and cheese sub. This girl was worth the investment in time. She is totally into it and loves sex, the only problem now is that I can't shake her and she texts me everyday looking for some cash and take out food. I guess life could be worse.

[Yardape08]

PW my good friend I am in agreement. I think we are seeing Ledger6969 true colors. To steal a phrase from a previous battle "Fucktard" is a needy boasting hotheaded turd. Ledger first you throw fiery daggers in PM's at me and accuse me of something that made no mention of you nor had anything to do with you. Although you apologized after I took you to task you clearly are a quick tempered guy. Now you have the need to brag about tipping if in fact you really do. You must be an absolute joy to deal with. Maybe excessive tipping is the only way you can get the poor girl to give you the time of day. It would be a pleasure at times like this if we had a delete button.

Double? Are you fucking kidding me? So you are tipping $80 for a HJ with maybe some roaming. Seriously, why? If I am tipping $80 I am getting, at the very least, a CBJ with plenty of UTC T&be roaming but the girl must be petite and hot. If she is average she gets $60 and is that's that. I have had EPIC sessions of FS, BBBJ etc for $100, are you saying that you are tipping $200 for FS? Are your sessions doubly epic? LMFAO.

I have to agree with PW & DH, I see no reason to double the tip for average service. You are not the only member who can afford to do it, lots of us can, but common sense wins over throwing money away.

I have visited Michelle recently at her other location in CT. Always tip very well I tip double what you guys think is the norm. I can afford it so I have no problem doing it but, tipping is personal. Michelle. I have tipped very well. Sometimes, maybe I feel she maybe not quite up to the norm that day. I still tip the more than generous amount.

You may think tipping is personal however in this game when you overtip it has a direct affect on everyone else by raising the girl's expectations on the rest of us. Some hobbyists are lucky to scrape up just enough $ to have fun once in awhile and in my view it is a selfish act just because you can afford it as you say. I have read many reports about members paying the standard tip for average service and they receive a big pout from the girl because of arrogant high rollers like you who precede them. Are you trying to win their affection and hope they like you by overpaying? Do you also brag to them about what kind of car you drive? If so I think this behavior is pathetic and they probably ultimately view you as a bore and a chump.

[Dh1610]

PW my good friend I am in agreement. I think we are seeing Ledger6969 true colors. To steal a phrase from a previous battle "Fucktard" is a needy boasting hotheaded turd. Ledger first you throw fiery daggers in PM's at me and accuse me of something that made no mention of you nor had anything to do with you. Although you apologized after I took you to task you clearly are a quick tempered guy. Now you have the need to brag about tipping if in fact you really do. You must be an absolute joy to deal with. Maybe excessive tipping is the only way you can get the poor girl to give you the time of day. It would be a pleasure at times like this if we had a delete button.

Double? Are you fucking kidding me? So you are tipping $80 for a HJ with maybe some roaming. Seriously, why? If I am tipping $80 I am getting, at the very least, a CBJ with plenty of UTC T&be roaming but the girl must be petite and hot. If she is average she gets $60 and is that's that. I have had EPIC sessions of FS, BBBJ etc for $100, are you saying that you are tipping $200 for FS? Are your sessions doubly epic? LMFAO.

[Member #4868]

Always tip very well I tip double what you guys think is the norm. I can afford it so I have no problem doing it but, tipping is personal.

Double? Are you fucking kidding me? So you are tipping $80 for a HJ with maybe some roaming. Seriously, why? If I am tipping $80 I am getting, at the very least, a CBJ with plenty of UTC T&be roaming but the girl must be petite and hot. If she is average she gets $60 and is that's that. I have had EPIC sessions of FS, BBBJ etc for $100, are you saying that you are tipping $200 for FS? Are your sessions doubly epic? LMFAO.

[Deb4512]

"Asked her about her wearing one of the outfits in the picture and she said it would be extra." I found this on the discussion board in backpage I believe. WTF, why would wearing a certain outfit have to be extra? Maybe she needs to wash it and is charging the guy the cost of laundry detergent and the quarters it takes to do a wash and dry.

[Skatar018]

http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/B...3142_12401.htmIt's perfectly acceptable to hate me.A2.

You know when you die you're going to hell right, you do know that right, & for the rest of eternity you'll be locked down with these two loveies!

Oh yeah look at Hillary winking at A2 her new go to man cuz you know Billyboy did not have sex with that woman & she's hungry!

And Martha says if you ain't this big you ain't getting any, so enjoy it now it's has to last ya an eternity!

Rub my nose in this shit http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/B...3142_12401.htm, wait a sec do it again!

Always enjoy seeing what you bang A2.

[Admin2]

I don't equate niceness with being a pushover. Actually needy is what I don't like. I had a SD who told me how much he loved me over and over again made me want to puke! He also would call me so much, if I didn't answer right away, he'd call over and over again until I did answer and then asked me why I never called him LOL. I liked him at first until he became needy. When this happened I dump the asshole. Neediness is controlling behavior, pretending to be "nice" but they actually are assholes. Nice is not controlling. And being a pushover has nothing to do with being nice either. It's maybe fear of confrontation or fear of offending someone. I think SO is awesome and he doesn't have to kiss my ass, only if he wants to wink wink. As far as the admin, wow you are hot!! I really like your attitude. <3 I would have taken your first offer and then hand you back the extra cash you gave me if you showed me a good time.

45 bucks for an hour, front door, back door (though I don't go there with her, she's more than willing to do it but isn't into it, I told you I'm good to her because she's sweet) unFUCKINGbelievable BBBJCIwherever the fuck you want to C. I don't even think she has a gag reflex. I never know what she's going to be wearing when I open the door, and she comes like a freight train. (always my favorite part) Deb good providers always cum first and often with A2. I'm always happy when they like how I DATY but I'm doing it for me because I dig it.

http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/B...3142_12401.htm

It's perfectly acceptable to hate me.

A2.

[Deb4512]

I don't equate niceness with being a pushover. Actually needy is what I don't like. I had a SD who told me how much he loved me over and over again made me want to puke! He also would call me so much, if I didn't answer right away, he'd call over and over again until I did answer and then asked me why I never called him LOL. I liked him at first until he became needy. When this happened I dump the asshole. Neediness is controlling behavior, pretending to be "nice" but they actually are assholes. Nice is not controlling. And being a pushover has nothing to do with being nice either. It's maybe fear of confrontation or fear of offending someone. I think SO is awesome and he doesn't have to kiss my ass, only if he wants to wink wink. As far as the admin, wow you are hot!! I really like your attitude. <3 I would have taken your first offer and then hand you back the extra cash you gave me if you showed me a good time.

[Admin2]

What I meant is that for men it becomes difficult to be objective once they become attached to a provider.

I had to come to South America to learn to be more "manly" for lack of a better word. I have learned that kissing asses never works with women, well unless I'm literally kissing their asses then a little tongue never hurt anybody but I digress.

Last night I was talking to this coffee shop girl, in any state in Sex Prison she would be considered a 10, maybe an 11.5'2" maybe 100 lbs, blonde hair to her ass, nice tight, TIGHT body, titties a little biggish for her frame. She was asking for 120 bucks for CBJ, front door / back door for an hour. Any of you guys would have jumped it in a second. However I'm not in that market, I'm in Buenos Aires, where a doctor makes 150 bucks for a 24 hour on call shift. A kid working at a 7-11 makes 600 bucks for a month, working 6, 12 hour days a week.

I looked her right in the eye and said "There are 30,000 sex workers in this town, of that 30,000, 3,000 are better looking than you. Of that 3,000,2900 of them charge less and will do BBBJ's, 1000 of them will let me spew on their faces if I want, I offered her 80 bucks, uncovered BBBJ covered sex for a minimum of 2 hours and she wouldn't get paid until she delivered.

She left in a huff and went and sat at some other table. I stayed where I was and after 5 or 6 Argentines offered her 60 bucks, she looked at me and nodded her head. I shook mine and offered 70. She took it.

Some people might think this was mean. I don't and I'll tell you why. I know what is customary for the market here in terms of price, hotness, and service. She misread me as another stupid tourist that she could overcharge and under perform. Her asking price was an insult so I responded in kind.

Do I support her right to charge whatever she wants, absolutely. As well as her right to decide what level of service she's comfortable with. No question, her body, her choice. Do I have to be a fucking lapdog and hope if I treat her right and give her everything she wants she might give me a good time? Fuck that, my pleasure is her fucking business. I can go way longer without pussy than she can without paying rent. Deb doesn't strike me as one but I have no fucking tolerance for these "princess" providers. Fucking gift lists! Are you fucking kidding me? I do the same thing here. If an advertiser wants to know the quickest way to get an ad deleted. Send me a PM asking me why their free ad hasn't been posted yet.

On the other hand I can be incredibly sweet to chicks that have a great work ethic. One of my steadies here that is always thinking up inventive ways to keep the hours fresh and interesting. (She puts my shoes on for me when I'm getting dressed) mentioned the other day that she wanted to improve her English. (Any would be an improvement, she speaks none) So the next time I was going to see her I stopped at a bookstore and picked up the first book in a self paced course in English and gave it to her. She's a sweetie that always takes good care of me, never asks for a thing besides the price, and goes out of her way. I'll reinforce that behavior everytime. What is key was she expected nothing and was really overwhelmed by the gift. I told her if she finishes it, I'll get her the next one in the series. Today when I stopped in she had the book and had worked the first couple lessons. After we were done we laid in the bed and I helped her with the stuff she was having problems with. To me it's all about who is being rewarded for what. I'm respectful and polite at all times but I refuse to behave in a way hoping to get the reward, or curry favor, that's their job.

Sorry, rant over.

[Yardape08]

While it may be an open thread I believe A2 has indicated that one main purpose was to keep the main threads focused on actual reviews and not get cluttered with all kinds of sidebars. Consequently since for example a thread already exists about "nostalgia" topics it would seem practical to slot that type of commentary there.

Personally I welcome a provider's viewpoint however one reason I was against providers posting was the inevitable sucking up that was sure to follow. I have been guilty of this in the past as well. It may be difficult for the males to maintain an unbiased posture towards females who post here and some may be hesitant to post a negative review for fear of reprisal. Deb, this is no reflection on you nor does it say that any member's comments about any personal experiences with you is not accurate or valid however that type of commentary is probably best suited for the Escort thread.

Just my opinions and in addition anything that gets posted here including the aforementioned topics that ignited this discussion are certainly open to being criticized as has happened today.

I actually tried to in and edit my post to add this but when I went in to edit the heading was there but the message was blank.

I just wanted to add that when some of the accusations of 'use' came to light with at least one of the 'agency' ladies you referred to (Brockton forum I believe) I was one of the ones who went toe to toe with the 'owner' about the issue. I had no qualms about letting her know that there was no place for having ladies in her employ who were dangerous and using. Whether she knew beforehand or not...the ladies in question were not around after those accusations surfaced. Now back to the stooges of Massholes.

When I gave my opinion of not having providers post here I fully admitted I was guilty of some sucking up in the past myself. I can be an imperfect Fucktard from time to time myself. And for full disclosure I am also occasionally guilty of being an incorrigible douchebag.

And if you re-read my post I was not just talking about some of the ladies who worked at the agency but rather the one you call the "owner". When I allude to possibly being put into a dangerous situation I am referring to those gentlemen here who would typically not see a provider if they knew there was drug use. Personally I will not automatically rule out a girl on drugs however I like to be fully armed with as much intel as possible before seeing someone. By danger I am not referring to physical harm per se but rather extenuating circumstances concerning this agency where there were reports of a man missing his wallet, another missing his watch and of course the time you saw one of them for an incall and your session I believe was interrupted by the girl's irate boyfriend threatening you I believe. We were all made aware on numerous occasions that the primary recruitment venue for the escorts who worked there was from the streets of Brockton. And we can easily extrapolate from there the Heroin and crack use and the inherent evils that accompany those who use these drugs that may end up affecting our safety and possible thievery when we use these girls for company.

I was made aware of IV drug use by the agency "owner" girl by separate sources one of whom was being recruited to work for them who took a ride with their driver, the "owner", and their star girl in the front seat where the "owner" was shooting heroin in the back seat of the car on the way to the outcall. My "friend" was just out of treatment for her own addiction and after this ride decided against joining the agency. Another girl who worked for them who I used to see on the side also commented about the same IV drug use by her. I brought up a story mentioned here where one of the girls was being reprimanded by the "owner" and my friend said "that's funny seeing that I've shot heroin with her myself". So to say that when drug use was brought to her attention by someone here and it was dealt with immediately becomes somewhat of a farce. Of course this is not your fault although this is what I mean can happen when we get into sucking up mode to the girls on here. Objectivity is often lost in the shuffle.

I know you are well respected here as an "Elder Statesmen" and I enjoy hearing of the tales of yesteryear with stories of the back of bowling alleys and other interesting places. You are certainly a veteran of the hobby and have offered both encouragement and wisdom to the masses here. Your reputation as a nice guy certainly precedes you and I have no doubt that you are deserved of this. But I also think it is important to view what we read here with a cynical eye and not be naive as often there is more to know about these girls we think we know so good lurking under the surface. I don't have nearly the years of experience as you in this hobby but what I lack in time spent in this particular game I try and make up in street smarts and that jaded view I sometimes have.

This is why this site is so important so we can continue to be armed with as much intelligence as possible and make informed decisions on who we want to see. I am always respectful to all the ladies I see but am also very much aware that I am a customer trying to maximize my investment and that doesn't mean I am cheap or owe them anything. I have met a lot of wonderful ladies along the journey. It is good we have this thread to air everything out and expose things from time to time in the interest of improving how we all go about the hobby.

[Yardape08]

Couldn't find it. For one, Stressed Out I doubt he's trying to suck up to women, I think that he is respectful towards women in general and although we all know what the board is geared towards he likes women and men to be treated in a respectful manner. Only thing is that this is the masshole board LOL. As far as me being in any man's pockets I'm the least so. Damn I care so little about money now, that I don't really care to promote myself. Only thing is that I'd stress out if I didn't have a popular advertising site to advertise on. Otherwise I'm not desperate for money, could care less about the money, because it doesn't have to be a priority for me anymore. When I first started escorting it was a different story back then. I'm not one of those escorts who blows their money on stupid shit then begs the guys to give them business because they can't pay their phone bills LOL. Not sure what you meant by being in a man's pocket though. LOL. Maybe pocket doesn't have anything to do with money. I like posting, because for one thing I can vent here about customers bad behaviors and get feedback from you guys and 2, I find so many interesting articles and resources for the guys here. I've been pming guys who are seeking information on various escorts, even seniors. I've been able to find out information various ways. I just thought I'd like to help out. I enjoy the hobbyists most likely more than the escorts (bad escort experiences on my end too).

The reference to "in men's pockets" is just a phrase Deb. What I meant is that for men it becomes difficult to be objective once they become attached to a provider. This is the context I was referring to. It is not a reflection of your intentions or money habits. It's refreshing to see you are thick skinned enough to hang out here. When I say I was against women posting here it was certainly nothing personal towards you.

[Hags Joe]

I don't think I'm going to use the "off the boat" phrase for a few years. Horrible disaster off Jeju / Cheju. If you see any Korean-American providers, please show sympathy.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/16/world/...ship-students/