"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

I post an Ad. In the last 3-4 years I've posted CL ads, I've never gotten a viable reply from responding to someone elses Ad. Granted, I put less energy into responding to ads, but it always felt like swimming up stream with bunch of other Salmon. When you post an Ad, the fish come to you. Then it's just a matter of filtering out those responses.

The biggest tip I can give is just to experiment regularly. Keep changing your copy and trying different things. CL is so hit or miss and the quality generally isn't there. But the upside though is that there aren't too many legit SDs browsing CL, so the majority of your competition are creepers, freaks, and flakes. If you can show a CL girl that you don't fall into those groups, and that instead you're a normal guy who will actually give them money legit, then you can find some nice undiscovered gems. Or at the very least a cheap booty call.

What's funny is that several months ago when I first met my CL Teacher SB, I went into our first date thinking she would just be a booty call because from her pictures she looked like a 6 at best, just slightly above average. She doesn't take very good photos and non of them show off her body. So unfortunately I didn't put much effort into our first date, but when I saw her in person, her face was much better in person and when I saw her naked my jaw hit the floor. Petite white girl with bubble butt and perfect set of perky see cups. From that moment on, I've been desperately trying to hold on to this girl. But her pics were definitely deceiving and I could see how she might have gotten overlooked by other guys.

Having posted some ads on CL for a non pro that was just horny and seeing the responses I would say in my case at least it would be a total waste of time to pursue those types of ads. The time factor to get noticed would make it almost impossible. But posting ads does get responses. Its just the selection isn't as good as on an sd site. But maybe a little more eclectic for lack of a better word. But I am going to keep posting. But definately no shortages on the sd sites.

Having cut back a bit the last few weeks I missed a date with a real hottie due to flaking on my part which turned her off. But there are always more. Timing really is almost everything with meeting these girls. When you snooze you lose.

[John G Smith]

Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?

I post an Ad. In the last 3-4 years I've posted CL ads, I've never gotten a viable reply from responding to someone elses Ad. Granted, I put less energy into responding to ads, but it always felt like swimming up stream with bunch of other Salmon. When you post an Ad, the fish come to you. Then it's just a matter of filtering out those responses.

The biggest tip I can give is just to experiment regularly. Keep changing your copy and trying different things. CL is so hit or miss and the quality generally isn't there. But the upside though is that there aren't too many legit SDs browsing CL, so the majority of your competition are creepers, freaks, and flakes. If you can show a CL girl that you don't fall into those groups, and that instead you're a normal guy who will actually give them money legit, then you can find some nice undiscovered gems. Or at the very least a cheap booty call.

What's funny is that several months ago when I first met my CL Teacher SB, I went into our first date thinking she would just be a booty call because from her pictures she looked like a 6 at best, just slightly above average. She doesn't take very good photos and non of them show off her body. So unfortunately I didn't put much effort into our first date, but when I saw her in person, her face was much better in person and when I saw her naked my jaw hit the floor. Petite white girl with bubble butt and perfect set of perky see cups. From that moment on, I've been desperately trying to hold on to this girl. But her pics were definitely deceiving and I could see how she might have gotten overlooked by other guys.

[JZLizard]

I just say I am interested in one thing only. Something specific. Like "petite black girl" or "someone that loves to cuddle and kiss" or "older guy seeking girl for daddy / daughter roleplay". And just keep it brief. Mention that I am a businessman and ask then to tell me their story. Maybe I can help out with some bills or expenses.

I would say its easy to get responses. But finding the tru non pros. Not so easy. Mostly UTR. or just not cute enough. At least on the SD site you can see their pic first.

Did Craigslist ban & filter out terms like sugarbaby / sugardaddy? Back when I tried, I basically used both and it went through (but that's been at least 3 years). None of the girls I got responses from were interesting enough for me to reply, but none of them seemed like pros. One was kind of like a competitive body builder type (lol... well I did say I needed fit ladies in my ad, but she wasn't what I had in mind and had a face like Arnold Schwartzeneger), one worked at a bank and went to college part time, etc.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hollywood, what kind of verbiage do you use for a public ad? I'm sure once you get a response you shoot them your intro letter but getting them to nibble at the hook is the 1st step.

Since I'm a BC guy right now I might try CL or BP. I know the grass is always greener -but it must be nice to have all the time you need to date these babes and spend as much or as little time as you want.

My BC girl is a hit and run. If only her body were not wrecked by babies and she wanted to stay and snuggle a little I would be more thrilled. She is down to $75 now so I feel like she is good value for what I get.

I just say I am interested in one thing only. Something specific. Like "petite black girl" or "someone that loves to cuddle and kiss" or "older guy seeking girl for daddy / daughter roleplay". And just keep it brief. Mention that I am a businessman and ask then to tell me their story. Maybe I can help out with some bills or expenses.

I would say its easy to get responses. But finding the tru non pros. Not so easy. Mostly UTR. or just not cute enough. At least on the SD site you can see their pic first.

[JoeBlowDC]

I recently came across a little gem from the Richmond area and though I would share with the fellas who got this board started. It has given me invaluable advice along the way and seeing as my life is too hectic to get down to are-Vegas on a regular basis I figured I would help the girl out and pass along her info (with her permission of course) to a couple "friends".

She is tight little package at 19 LOVES sex and is a STONE COLD FREAK!! LOL.

I'm sure here isn't much you could come up with that would phase her. Her asking price is $$ and will come down a bit for a multi-hour session. Seniors drop me a note and I will forward along the info. Here is a pic to entice the senior members from the Richmond DC area. And hopefully motivation to share some of their own.

[FredMoore]

I have never been too lucky on CL. But I did get a reply from a not so fine girl a month or so ago. She was so close by and had her own place in a good part of town, so I went for it. I was so not into it when I saw her pics that I only offered .5 and she accepted. She is a 5/7/10/9. So what I gave up in looks I made up for in attitude and skills. Seen her twice so far. I will see her again. It's strictly a one hour, clothes off immediately, all about me session with a normal working 27 year old white girl that just wants to have a little fun and get paid. No harm in that.

I am still posting so we will see if I can get any luckier.

Hollywood, what kind of verbiage do you use for a public ad? I'm sure once you get a response you shoot them your intro letter but getting them to nibble at the hook is the 1st step.

Since I'm a BC guy right now I might try CL or BP. I know the grass is always greener -but it must be nice to have all the time you need to date these babes and spend as much or as little time as you want.

My BC girl is a hit and run. If only her body were not wrecked by babies and she wanted to stay and snuggle a little I would be more thrilled. She is down to $75 now so I feel like she is good value for what I get.

[HollywoodGuy]

The one time I responded to a CL ad that the girl in my area had posted, she was one of those girls who thought that she should paid for platonic friendship. Beyond that, I never see girls posting SB ads, not in my area anyway.

I post CL ads in cities that are within my driving distance and then screen the replies. That's been my main and best source of girls, actually. SA has almost always been very hit or miss for me, the one exception has been when I went to Vegas for a vacation, then SA was a gold mine. But within my area, SA girls have a tendency to be GPS, flaky, or only want platonic friendship at first or exclusively (or a combo of those three traits). With the girls that reply to my CL ads, I sometimes have to wade through crap, but eventually a diamond will come through.

I have never been too lucky on CL. But I did get a reply from a not so fine girl a month or so ago. She was so close by and had her own place in a good part of town, so I went for it. I was so not into it when I saw her pics that I only offered .5 and she accepted. She is a 5/7/10/9. So what I gave up in looks I made up for in attitude and skills. Seen her twice so far. I will see her again. It's strictly a one hour, clothes off immediately, all about me session with a normal working 27 year old white girl that just wants to have a little fun and get paid. No harm in that.

I am still posting so we will see if I can get any luckier.

[FotoGuy1970]

Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?

The one time I responded to a CL ad that the girl in my area had posted, she was one of those girls who thought that she should paid for platonic friendship. Beyond that, I never see girls posting SB ads, not in my area anyway.

I post CL ads in cities that are within my driving distance and then screen the replies. That's been my main and best source of girls, actually. SA has almost always been very hit or miss for me, the one exception has been when I went to Vegas for a vacation, then SA was a gold mine. But within my area, SA girls have a tendency to be GPS, flaky, or only want platonic friendship at first or exclusively (or a combo of those three traits). With the girls that reply to my CL ads, I sometimes have to wade through crap, but eventually a diamond will come through.

[HollywoodGuy]

Why some SBs have more than 1 profile? Is it to get better fishing? Should SD do the same..?

Profiles are free to the girls forever on SD4 M. And they soon figure out its the new girls that get most of the attention. I've seen pros with half a dozen over the years.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Why some SBs have more than 1 profile? Is it to get better fishing? Should SD do the same..?

[JZLizard]

I'm at a place in my hobbying life where I can only do booty calls. I miss the "relationship" but the warden has a pretty tight grip on the free time and money has been tighter than usual.

Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?

Speaking of BCs, I have a cute spinner who will pop over for a 15 minute session anytime I want . I save money on hotels by using a friend's place but we don't hang out for multiple rounds or playing. But for getting a nutt she is just right. Strip the clothes off, bend over, lay down, sit on the chair ++she's agreeable for whatever. And she will take a bareback load. The only complaint I have is even though she is a spinner, she has had kids and her once bodacious DDs are now empty sacks but at least with nice nipples attached. If I had the time and freedom to take her out for dinner and get a Notel room I'm sure she would hang out for longer play sessions.

I only tried the CL route once several years back, maybe late 2010 or 2011. My GF and I were split up at the time and I did it more out of curiosity than anything else. At the time I was aware of some of the SD sites and talked to a few girls but was not involved in the bowl officially. The overall quality of pics I received was just well below my normal dating standard so I never followed up with them. It might have changed a lot since then but I just didn't see any stunners, and that's the type I'm targeting. My overall impression is that the SD sites attract more women and better looking ones, because the girls feel like they are reputable sites with some level of verification (credit card, etc) so they feel safer, especially with labels out there from the media like "Craigslist Killer" and so forth.

I guess both approaches have drawbacks. With the SD sites you have to filter out the GPS girls and the dreamers that think their pussy is worth $5000 a month standing allowance with flexible actual appearances, with CL you have to deal with druggies and serious nando types. I'm sure there are some occasional gems from CL but I just found my time was better spent on SD sites. I will try CL again one day maybe, especially if I have reason to believe its changed.

[JZLizard]

No, this girl has replied to my ads before with pics attached and even her college transcripts! She's not even a little bit attractive and she's always come off as a bit unhinged, so I've always passed on her. But this latest reply of hers to my ad trumps all her others, which were odd to begin with.

Interesting. Well I did see an ad on an SD site from an AA girl once that I couldn't tell if it was a joke or if it was for real, but in her ad she literally came out and said "I aint sleepin' with nobody I just want yo money! In the photos she was like 5'10", built like a man, with nothing about her that could be considered attractive, so I wanted to believe it was a hoax or maybe she was trying to sell people on her sense of humor but who knows.

[FredMoore]

I'm at a place in my hobbying life where I can only do booty calls. I miss the "relationship" but the warden has a pretty tight grip on the free time and money has been tighter than usual.

Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?

Speaking of BCs, I have a cute spinner who will pop over for a 15 minute session anytime I want . I save money on hotels by using a friend's place but we don't hang out for multiple rounds or playing. But for getting a nutt she is just right. Strip the clothes off, bend over, lay down, sit on the chair ++she's agreeable for whatever. And she will take a bareback load. The only complaint I have is even though she is a spinner, she has had kids and her once bodacious DDs are now empty sacks but at least with nice nipples attached. If I had the time and freedom to take her out for dinner and get a Notel room I'm sure she would hang out for longer play sessions.

[John G Smith]

Great to see all the new faces around here!

I just wanted to give a brief update. A few months ago, I mentioned that I let my memberships expire on the SD sites and that I found two smoking hot SBs through CL. Well I'm happy to report both those SBs are still in my rotation. Both are flaky and I'm lucky to see them 1-2 times a month, but both are hot, petite, educated normal girls who have modest financial needs that it still works out.

CL Student.

One of them is 21 AA and a full-time student and very active in her student union at her university. Because of her busy schedule she doesn't have time for real relationships and she enjoys the stress-free companionship I give her via texts and I also help her out with a few of her expenses. But she also works and lives with her parents still, so she's not hard up for money, so she has never hit me up for money. I give it to her when I feel like it. Also she has only had one boyfriend before, so she's a little bit inexperienced but a very eager learner. I don't see her often, but we text lightly almost every day. She almost feels like a long-distance girlfriend. She's genuinely attracted to me, so that's partly why money hasn't been a big part of our relationship. I would like to see her more often, but she isn't costing me anything when I don't see her and I have other girls to fill in for her, so it's cool for now.

CL Teacher.

The other CL girl is 22 and a substitute elementary teacher believe it or not. Her body is a 10 and her face an 8. She's hot. And what makes it even hotter is that she's a nearby schoolteacher. I bet there a bunch of male parents (& teachers) at the school wishing they could bang her, but they can't, yet I am. Awesome feeling. She actually still lives with her parents, so her financial costs are also modest. I still can't quite figure out this girl. Sometimes she's into me and we meetup for amazing sex, and then she'll drop off the radar for a week and become distant. Then out of nowhere she's back in the saddle again. She's flaked on me several times as well. But she keeps coming back and she's so hot and easy to talk to when we're together, that I put up with it. I honestly don't know how long it will last. She thinks I'm a nice guy and likes me, but I can tell she's not 100% there. It's likely other personal issues that I can't see. I give it another month or two before she says she can't do it anymore. But I'm going to enjoy the ride while I can.

Another tactic I've been doing lately when I'm bored is browsing through escort ads and using my spidey-sense to determine which girls are low-volume / UTR and would be receptable to a SB / SD arrangement. Why target escorts who are often hardened, jaded, money-grubbing, and cold? Because sometimes you can catch that one girl who only posts an ad once every 4-5 months and then quickly disappears. They may have had some financial emergency and had a friend who convinced them to make some quick money over a couple weekends (enter, 2 girl special), but it's not something they want to do regularly or even have the time for. The appeal for me of these type of girls is that they're open-minded, generally sexually experienced, and know the laws of discretion. Often make good booty calls and can be more reliable than the typical SBs.

The challenge is figuring out which of them are still fresh to the game or too far gone. The ones that are too far gone, you'll always just be a client and things will be very business like. But with the fresh ones, it's still possible to have a more personal relationship. I've actually gotten the real Facebook pages of 3 escorts within the last two months without ever meeting them. So some of them aren't fully locked into the escort life and find the idea of a SD / SB arrangement appealing. With that in mind, I'll proceed with the second half of my update.

Escort SB 1.

I just started talking up with this one recently. She's mixed, half black / half asian, a spinner and beautiful face. She posts ads every 6 months or so. She goes to school, so that limits how much she can escort. She would prefer to have just one guy she can lean on for a few of her basic bills. We've texted a lot over the last couple of days and she's extremely personable, moreso than any escort I've talked to in recent memory. I sent her my pics and she said I was much more handsome than she expected, so I think she has a genuine attraction. We're suppose to meetup later this week and no discussion of money has been brought up yet. So actually might have the potential of being a legit SB and not just a booty call. That would be a first ever in my side-hobby of trying to convert escorts to SBs. So I'll let you guys know how the first meet goes later this week.

Former Escort SB.

This one is an interesting case. She actually used to escort a couple of years pretty heavily on Hx. She is an *extremely* hot AA, I'd say a perfect 10 in looks. Perfect hourglass frame, not too skinny, not too thick. Just perfect. The thing is, she's actually retired from escorting and has so for well over a year. Now she just does the occasional massage and gives the lucky dude a happy ending. We got along pretty well a couple of years ago, so we kept each other's number. I mentioned recently that I was in the market for a new SB and unlike a couple of years ago, now she was interested. She really doesn't want to escort again, but she's having some money problems again. So we're trying to do a "provisional" arrangement. I know her real identity and everything, and I've given her some money (not a ton though). The problem though is that she doesn't want to have sex. She'll do everything except for actual sex. I was really surprised to hear this at first, but she offered to return the allowance and said she just wasn't comfortable yet. I let her keep the money and just said we'll take things slow. Honestly, she's so hot that I don't mind spending time with her doing almost-sex. Plus she's a very nice girl and it really seems like she's trying to open up a new chapter in her life and I don't want to pull her back down. So we've been talking and I'm helping her with starting a legit massage business and getting a license.

So far this 2014 I've been taking the nontraditional route with SBs. Part of it is because I've had to tighten the belt financially, so I've had to alter my strategies and move to different fishing pools. But it's offered some very unique experiences so far.

[FotoGuy1970]

I'm going to go with likely someone pranking his buddy on that one.

No, this girl has replied to my ads before with pics attached and even her college transcripts! She's not even a little bit attractive and she's always come off as a bit unhinged, so I've always passed on her. But this latest reply of hers to my ad trumps all her others, which were odd to begin with.