Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[HuntLadys29]

There are going to be guys looking on this site who are looking for way upper end girls. You won't know that they are here, because they won't register, or if they do they will never post. These guys are in positions where they believe that if it became known that they are in the hobby their positions would be in jeopardy. And, they are most likely right. So, they lurk and look for high end providers who they are much less likely to have legal problems with. These guys can afford 300,400, 500 an hour for a girl. For a guy like me, if I get popped with a girl, I'll fight it, I'll get a jury trial if I have to, I don't care about publicity, I'm divorced, and I've already done time and I'm not afraid to do more if I have to. For a successful doctor, lawyer, maybe a high end executive, its a different story, those guys know that even a brush with the hobby could be fatal to their 20,30, 40 grand a month or more incomes. Yeah, they still buy punanni, but they are very very discrete.

And that's why girls may keep an ad in, they know the "big fish" they have isn't going to be there forever. They know those guys crave something new, just like we do, that's why they are in the hobby instead of just fucking their S.O.s. They want variety and the girls who do that kind of business know it, and keep their hand in looking for the next one.

Cheech

But why the long post it's like she's giving us a Dear John letter I've seen no reviews on her so its like who on here gives a fuck. To me it goes beyond what she's charging I'm past that its just this chick has the nerve to think she's hurting people who haven't even seen her. Like I'm taking myself off the market for you guys that can't afford me if you think you can't afford me then look at my prices now. FUCK HER! As I said before legend in her own mind. The chick needs help.

[HuntLadys29]

Tobi Telford so nicely put it on another site regarding providers that have a higher consideration amount and I can completely relate to her and agree in a condensed fashion of what was stated...I couldn't have said it any better than she did:

"I am fully aware that my rates are much higher than most of the ladies in this area. I have my reasons for setting my pricing structure to what it is, and I realize that my consideration amounts do not fall in line with many gents' budgets. We all have our financial limits, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when I receive slander on public forums, PMs and text messages telling me that I'm "not worth it" and what not, I can't help but be appalled by the rudeness. I mean, what's the point in contacting someone just to tell them that what they're selling is overpriced? It's not going to change anything.

Everyone has budgets that they allocate to certain things, and that's perfectly fine. Paid companionship is a LUXURY, not a necessity. If I were selling water or air, that would be one thing (those are basic needs that should be affordable to everyone), but I'm not. My luxury is meant to be purchased with discretionary funds. It is my prerogative to set my rates at the amount with which I'm comfortable, and I should be free to do that without harassment or insults.

Whether your budget is $50 or $5,000, there are plenty of lovely ladies in the area whose rates are in line with whatever a gentleman's individual budget may be. So the solution to this perceived problem is simple: spend what you can afford and have fun doing it, but save the obnoxiousness and insults. I promise that telling me I'm overpriced is only going to waste both my time and yours, and it's just plain unkind.".

I use her statements as a prelude to explain why my rates have gone up yet again...as I'm just waiting for the new wave of PMs and texts on how I think I'm better than everyone else, and I'm not in Vegas, blah, blah, blah. Anyone that has met me knows that this is simply not the case. I am well aware of where I reside and I'm about as down to earth and sweet as it gets. My reviews more than uphold my value at my requested consideration amounts and I've certainly never twisted anyone's arm to fork it out.

However, that being said I have had the fortune in my very short time span of introducing myself to this of having offers from just a couple generous and wonderful gentlemen for ongoing arrangements. And while they are not asking for exclusivity at this time, I have decided to increase my consideration amount to limit my other bookings so that I may devote the time everyone is deserving of, myself included. I don't work a bunch, nor do I desire to, and just as you may be very selective about your providers, I too am very picky about my clientele. I want to make sure everyone's expectations are not only met, but exceeded.

If you have an appointment booked already, I will still see you at the prior consideration amount. I am so grateful to have met the amazing gents that I have and I do apologize if you now feel my increase makes it impossible to see me. I do not wish to offend or upset anyone, but we all have our reasons for doing what we do.

I'm not looking for an argument, or an ongoing back and forth, as I just wanted to announce what's happened to attempt to avoid the backlash.

Kisses!

Lila be.

I told you guys weeks ago this chick is full of shit. If things are going so swell for you why did you post this? You should just continue doing what you're doing and keep your mouth shut. But you can't you want some kind of attention all the time you can't help yourself. You have all this going on and no reviews, I used to think you were just a conceited chick. But now I just feel sorry for you. My dear you need help, and I hope you get it. Is there a psychiatrist in the house?

[Member #5083]

Not to mention, but for $500 I could have 2 dates with Sasha and Cupcake combined (or 1 date with them cloned and a 5-way? And I can't think of any single girl who could approach that level of fun for $500 for a single hour.

But again, has been stated, different strokes different folks, YMMV, etc etc.

Bless her little heart if she can get the business she wants / needs to be happy at those rates. Just not my cup of tea. Give me 5 half hours with Sassy for that much money any day of the week.

I agree, but sometimes I seek variety and will spend a little more if I think it is worth it. I don't know where Lila or some of the other higher priced girls operate, but I would at least expect a Hampton, Fairfield or Courtyard for their price as opposed to a Motel 6 or Red Roof? I'm sure you would take those 5, 1/2 hr sessions with Sassy on separate occasions? I doubt if you (or many) could handle them consecutively?

[CharmingBlake]

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[Ancvz]

Just because you are charging 3.0 to 5.0 doesn't mean your are upper end. Having spent that price, an more, in the case of Lila, I don't think she reaches that status and I think there are much better values out there locally.

Not to mention, but for $500 I could have 2 dates with Sasha and Cupcake combined (or 1 date with them cloned and a 5-way? And I can't think of any single girl who could approach that level of fun for $500 for a single hour.

But again, has been stated, different strokes different folks, YMMV, etc etc.

Bless her little heart if she can get the business she wants / needs to be happy at those rates. Just not my cup of tea. Give me 5 half hours with Sassy for that much money any day of the week.

[Member #5083]

There are going to be guys looking on this site who are looking for way upper end girls. You won't know that they are here, because they won't register, or if they do they will never post. These guys are in positions where they believe that if it became known that they are in the hobby their positions would be in jeopardy. And, they are most likely right. So, they lurk and look for high end providers who they are much less likely to have legal problems with. These guys can afford 300,400, 500 an hour for a girl. For a guy like me, if I get popped with a girl, I'll fight it, I'll get a jury trial if I have to, I don't care about publicity, I'm divorced, and I've already done time and I'm not afraid to do more if I have to. For a successful doctor, lawyer, maybe a high end executive, its a different story, those guys know that even a brush with the hobby could be fatal to their 20,30, 40 grand a month or more incomes. Yeah, they still buy punanni, but they are very very discrete.

And that's why girls may keep an ad in, they know the "big fish" they have isn't going to be there forever. They know those guys crave something new, just like we do, that's why they are in the hobby instead of just fucking their S.O.s. They want variety and the girls who do that kind of business know it, and keep their hand in looking for the next one.

Cheech

Just because you are charging 3.0 to 5.0 doesn't mean your are upper end. Having spent that price, an more, in the case of Lila, I don't think she reaches that status and I think there are much better values out there locally relative to looks.

[Cheech1]

There are going to be guys looking on this site who are looking for way upper end girls. You won't know that they are here, because they won't register, or if they do they will never post. These guys are in positions where they believe that if it became known that they are in the hobby their positions would be in jeopardy. And, they are most likely right. So, they lurk and look for high end providers who they are much less likely to have legal problems with. These guys can afford 300,400, 500 an hour for a girl. For a guy like me, if I get popped with a girl, I'll fight it, I'll get a jury trial if I have to, I don't care about publicity, I'm divorced, and I've already done time and I'm not afraid to do more if I have to. For a successful doctor, lawyer, maybe a high end executive, its a different story, those guys know that even a brush with the hobby could be fatal to their 20,30, 40 grand a month or more incomes. Yeah, they still buy punanni, but they are very very discrete.

And that's why girls may keep an ad in, they know the "big fish" they have isn't going to be there forever. They know those guys crave something new, just like we do, that's why they are in the hobby instead of just fucking their S.O.s. They want variety and the girls who do that kind of business know it, and keep their hand in looking for the next one.

Cheech

[Member #4506]

I agree with you regarding Lila. Her photos do nothing for me either. However, there are a lot of guys out there who will go for the polished, courtesan aspect to her ads and website. It wouldn't surprise me if she is getting the price she is asking? There are many providers who mongers rave about on here that I wouldn't do for free. Some mongers say the higher priced, better looking providers don't provide good service. That's a myth, there are many who do, as there are many ugly ones that will rip you off as well. BTW, here is a link to Tobi Telford's site.

http://www.tobitelford.com/photo_alb...1/Summer_2013/

I gave her a piece of my mind. This ridiculous what she's about. IMHO.

[Member #4483]

Lila has made it plenty clear that she wants to charge higher for her time and there is nothing wrong about it. However, she must realize that the majority (speculating here) on this site prefer the range that EE and some others have to offer. There's plenty good talent and service for that range. So, maybe there are other forums/sites for Lila etc to target their ads??..just saying as this is Octagon after all ... I respect everyone's choices to place ads here but its providing the reason for folks to beat the dead horse.. I'm only suggesting that we remove the dead horse and sticks out of sight.

Lila, if you are getting clientele from this site, no change needed.. If not, you could seriously reconsider your strategy to advertise here and save us all some drama... if you've got suggadaddies already, then why start this 'increase in rates' thread everywhere.. I've seen it elsewhere as well..

My personal choice is that even if Lila offered specials, I will still pass...lastly, who is tobi?

GoTo: www.TobiTelford.com and read (and gawk, if you like, at a bunch of faceless images) until your heart's content!

If she is happy, and her clients are happy, what business is it of ours?

I absolutely agree!

Her only folly was posting her announcement / advertisement here at the Hobby K-mart where most guys are always hunting for the blue-light special.

This, too, is very true! Her announcement / advertisement really makes little sense to me (it's what I get for having a pea-sized brain). To be clear, I never said she shouldn't post it, or that she doesn't have the right to post it (as a matter of fact, I actually enjoy looking at her pics, and much more so now that she has stopped trying to copy or emulate Tobi Telford with the Photoshop face blurring BS). My only point is that her announcement / advertisement is nonsensical to me. I just don't really see the need or get the purpose? I suspect somewhere along the way that she, or an adviser to her, thought it was a good idea and so she ran with it and has never stopped to consider or evaluate it's effectiveness one way or the other. --SA007.

[Member #5083]

Lila has made it plenty clear that she wants to charge higher for her time and there is nothing wrong about it. However, she must realize that the majority (speculating here) on this site prefer the range that EE and some others have to offer. There's plenty good talent and service for that range. So, maybe there are other forums/sites for Lila etc to target their ads??..just saying as this is Octagon after all ... I respect everyone's choices to place ads here but its providing the reason for folks to beat the dead horse.. I'm only suggesting that we remove the dead horse and sticks out of sight.

Lila, if you are getting clientele from this site, no change needed.. If not, you could seriously reconsider your strategy to advertise here and save us all some drama... if you've got suggadaddies already, then why start this 'increase in rates' thread everywhere.. I've seen it elsewhere as well..

My personal choice is that even if Lila offered a 100 hr specials, I will still pass... Lastly, WTF is Tobi Telford?

I agree with you regarding Lila. Her photos do nothing for me either. However, there are a lot of guys out there who will go for the polished, courtesan aspect to her ads and website. It wouldn't surprise me if she is getting the price she is asking? There are many providers who mongers rave about on here that I wouldn't do for free. Some mongers say the higher priced, better looking providers don't provide good service. That's a myth, there are many who do, as there are many ugly ones who will rip you off as well. BTW, here is a link to Tobi Telford's site.

http://www.tobitelford.com/photo_alb...1/Summer_2013/

[ChickaAmante]

Lila has made it plenty clear that she wants to charge higher for her time and there is nothing wrong about it. However, she must realize that the majority (speculating here) on this site prefer the range that EE and some others have to offer. There's plenty good talent and service for that range. So, maybe there are other forums/sites for Lila etc to target their ads??..just saying as this is Octagon after all ... I respect everyone's choices to place ads here but its providing the reason for folks to beat the dead horse.. I'm only suggesting that we remove the dead horse and sticks out of sight.

Lila, if you are getting clientele from this site, no change needed.. If not, you could seriously reconsider your strategy to advertise here and save us all some drama... if you've got suggadaddies already, then why start this 'increase in rates' thread everywhere.. I've seen it elsewhere as well..

My personal choice is that even if Lila offered specials, I will still pass...lastly, who is tobi?

[PhatDaty]

And I understand your desire to hike your rates, that is, there is no question that you are very attractive.

Clearly she believes she can charge that rate, and given her reviews on various sites, there are gents out there that are paying her rate and claim it is a once in a lifetime experience.

W e.

A ll.

L ike.

D ifferent.

T hings.

If she is happy, and her clients are happy, what business is it of ours?

Her only folly was posting her announcement / advertisement here at the Hobby K-mart where most guys are always hunting for the blue-light special.

Personally, she seems very attractive (I especially like her eyes) and would easily fulfill my hot soccer mom MILF fetish, but I am not sure I am willing to part with the cabbage to pay her rate. That doesn't mean I won't, I might still decide to splurge.

No matter what I decide, I am certainly not going to whine about what she chooses to charge. For me (and perhaps others) it doesn't really boil down to not being able to afford her as much as it does realizing the reality that as beautiful as she is, there are a few of my favorite ladies here that are just as attractive and have proven they can ring all my bells and whistles BCD at a third of the cost of one session with Lila.

What I am curious about, is that her P411 profile claims she has also offers Porn Star Service. Do I have any backers to help me raise the capital to hire her as a porn actress for an upcoming PhatDaty Production?

[AdamP469]

It's funny as I remember a few weeks ago she was on her getting into it with us and now I see she is raising her rates. I know she initially posted in all the different cities in Ohio and since I travel throughout the state I like to keep tabs on each city. Since we had the pissing contest with her 3 or 4 weeks ago, I haven't read one review on her anywhere. Wonder why. Do the people that pay her fee not write reviews? Or maybe she isn't getting much biz as she thinks.

I see she currently has 8 reviews on aNotheR review site, 4 of which are from March, so it isn't true that she isn't being reviewed anywhere. Maybe she's just not picking up any business from this site, and, therefore, hasn't been reviewed here? Anyway, I recognize the handles of two the reviewers on that other site, so I don't think they are shill reviews.

[Member #4483]

Tobi Telford so nicely put it on another site regarding providers that have a higher consideration amount and I can completely relate to her and agree in a condensed fashion of what was stated...I couldn't have said it any better than she did:

"I am fully aware that my rates are much higher than most of the ladies in this area. I have my reasons for setting my pricing structure to what it is, and I realize that my consideration amounts do not fall in line with many gents' budgets. We all have our financial limits, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when I receive slander on public forums, PMs and text messages telling me that I'm "not worth it" and what not, I can't help but be appalled by the rudeness. I mean, what's the point in contacting someone just to tell them that what they're selling is overpriced? It's not going to change anything.

Everyone has budgets that they allocate to certain things, and that's perfectly fine. Paid companionship is a LUXURY, not a necessity. If I were selling water or air, that would be one thing (those are basic needs that should be affordable to everyone), but I'm not. My luxury is meant to be purchased with discretionary funds. It is my prerogative to set my rates at the amount with which I'm comfortable, and I should be free to do that without harassment or insults.

Whether your budget is $50 or $5,000, there are plenty of lovely ladies in the area whose rates are in line with whatever a gentleman's individual budget may be. So the solution to this perceived problem is simple: spend what you can afford and have fun doing it, but save the obnoxiousness and insults. I promise that telling me I'm overpriced is only going to waste both my time and yours, and it's just plain unkind.".

I use her statements as a prelude to explain why my rates have gone up yet again...as I'm just waiting for the new wave of PMs and texts on how I think I'm better than everyone else, and I'm not in Vegas, blah, blah, blah. Anyone that has met me knows that this is simply not the case. I am well aware of where I reside and I'm about as down to earth and sweet as it gets. My reviews more than uphold my value at my requested consideration amounts and I've certainly never twisted anyone's arm to fork it out.

However, that being said I have had the fortune in my very short time span of introducing myself to this of having offers from just a couple generous and wonderful gentlemen for ongoing arrangements. And while they are not asking for exclusivity at this time, I have decided to increase my consideration amount to limit my other bookings so that I may devote the time everyone is deserving of, myself included. I don't work a bunch, nor do I desire to, and just as you may be very selective about your providers, I too am very picky about my clientele. I want to make sure everyone's expectations are not only met, but exceeded.

If you have an appointment booked already, I will still see you at the prior consideration amount. I am so grateful to have met the amazing gents that I have and I do apologize if you now feel my increase makes it impossible to see me. I do not wish to offend or upset anyone, but we all have our reasons for doing what we do.

I'm not looking for an argument, or an ongoing back and forth, as I just wanted to announce what's happened to attempt to avoid the backlash.

Kisses!

Lila be.

GOOD FOR YOU, Lila Bella! I think you should charge whatever you want for your goods and services -- your prices should reflect whatever the market will bear (or, in your case, bare).

And I understand your desire to hike your rates, that is, there is no question that you are very attractive and obviously NOT a streetwalker-turned-escort like some other providers who post here. Besides, at your present age, I think I also understand that you need to make all you can as quickly as you can since your clock is inevitably ticking softer and softer and will be winding down very soon. Put another way, at this stage in your life, gravity is working against you and I do NOT believe that prime-time will be on your side much longer, but that's just my opinion. So I say, get it while you can! GO, GIRL, GO!

What I do NOT understand, however, is why you post here in the first place? After all, you have been posting on the "arrangement" websites (see attached Pic) apparently hoping to hook a big fish and, according to your story, you have hooked two (amazing gents). So I'm just a little curious why you are messing around and wasting your time here, and on the other sites akin to this site, with what I'm guessing is probably a fairly large population of prospective clientele that will NOT meet your "picky" standards and / or who cannot or will NOT meet your high asking price, especially after you have admittedly already caught the big fish -- times two? Have you ever heard of the 80/20 Rule? Or how about a fundamental economic principle known as the Law of Diminishing Returns? In any case, I think YOU ARE SO LUCKY because most providers who advertise here could never command your high rates and, not only that, most of them will very likely never be able to land one amazing big fish, much less TWO AMAZING BIG FISH! YOU ARE JUST SO DARN LUCKY, IMHO! CONGRATULATIONS!

But there is something else I do NOT understand. It concerns your TWO AMAZING BIG FISH story and I am hoping to figure it out (just in case I ever become an amazing big fish myself). I do NOT get why TWO AMAZING BIG FISH (my words, not yours) who are "just a couple generous and wonderful gentlemen" (your words, not mine) are willing to be so "generous and wonderful" WITHOUT REQUIRING EXCLUSIVITY? How does that work exactly?

Now I just want to get this straight in my mind. So you found TWO AMAZING BIG FISH who are apparently, I'm guessing, willing to pay you more than your advertised rates for what I believe you called an "ongoing arrangement," but these TWO AMAZING BIG FISH do NOT want exclusivity (seriously), meaning you are still allowed to fuck us not-so-generous and not-so-wonderful guys in what I guess would then have to be called a "NON-ongoing arrangement?"

Well if that's the case, does it mean that I, or anyone else who might pass your "picky" test (which I presume is NOT about money, rather it's only about your "fussiness" in selecting your clientele), could book you 1-x to 15-x or whatever per week as long as we were willing to pay your advertised rates? My point about your story is that I am really struggling to see the advantages and benefits that the TWO AMAZING BIG FISH are going to receive in a "NON-EXCLUSIVE" ongoing arrangement with you. Unless you are charging the TWO AMAZING BIG FISH less than your advertised rates (for example, something akin to a baker's dozen), which I seriously doubt because what would be the point of locking yourself into an "ongoing arrangement" when you could just alternatively implement some kind of frequency marketing program for everyone, for example, a "Cum Fuck Me Lots" discount (Buy 5, Get 1 Free -- or whatever)?

After thinking about your story, or maybe I should refer to it as an announcement, and all of the various possible nuances of having a "NON-EXCLUSIVE Ongoing Arrangement" while at the same time continuing to fuck not-so-generous and not-so-wonderful clientele here on this board as well as around the country, my best guesses are: (1) YOU are FULL of CRAP and just made the whole thing up as a marketing strategy to hike your rates, that is, you are trying to create the appearance of a big demand and very limited supply; (2) YOU are DELUSIONAL and actually believe your own BS; (3) YOU are going through an IDENTITY CRISIS (are you an escort, a courtesan, etc., etc., etc.?) and should seek professional help; (4) YOU are still hoping to catch one big fish thus the reason you are still advertising everywhere; (5) Your TWO AMAZING BIG FISHes are FULL of CRAP, or just plain idiots, and will turn out to be NOT-SO-GENEROUS and NOT-SO-WONDERFUL in the end; and / or, (6) INSERT OTHER MONGER THEORIES HERE.

All of my statements, comments, and questions are, of course, rhetorical -- meaning am I neither seeking nor expecting any answers or explanations, Lila, since I am NOT, as you say, looking for an argument, or an ongoing back and forth, blah, blah, blah. I am merely thinking out loud, so to speak, about your pretentious advertisement / announcement.

[Member #5260]

It's funny as I remember a few weeks ago she was on her getting into it with us and now I see she is raising her rates. I know she initially posted in all the different cities in Ohio and since I travel throughout the state I like to keep tabs on each city. Since we had the pissing contest with her 3 or 4 weeks ago, I haven't read one review on her anywhere. Wonder why. Do the people that pay her fee not write reviews? Or maybe she isn't getting much biz as she thinks.