Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[HuntLadys29]

I got a girl I'm kinda sweet on here. To the point that I don't see her professionally anymore, (P4 P and emotional involvement is BAAAADDDD JUJU) we have become friends in a limited sense. She wanted to borrow some money the other day for a business deal that overall I support the idea but her plan sucked and was doomed to failure. I showed her how to make a business plan, and told her when she came back to have a plan, and offered to match her dollar for dollar (peso for peso actually) as a long term loan up to an amount I feel comfortable with. I don't want her thinking she can come to me and get bailed out. I want her thinking that I'm willing to help, but I'm not a money well. I'm aware that I might not get the money back if I make the loan and am ok with that.

The difference there is you are making a buisness loan and you are not expecting punanny in return because I assume she is trying to get out of the buisness. Buisness do fail and if her buisness venture fails it will be hard to recoup but if it is a success she should be more than willing to pay you back as it sounds like you just want your initial investment back. The problem with loaning money to a provider is they have only one way to pay you back, like I've always said I never lend more than I can afford to lose. If I'm at work and somebody asks me for 5 bucks and all I have on me is 7 or 10 they don't get. And with a provider I always ask myself why is she asking me for money, doesn't she have anybody closer? She must have burned all her bridges, so I won't give her a chance to burn this bridge.

[Admin2]

Question; given the staggering increase of those who utilize the internet from a mobile standpoint is there any chance a working app for this site been considered? I've tried more than once, can't upload pics or easily type out replies. Got on here trying to find a phone number that was in PM's and after numerous tries, gave up.

We are throwing this around, the problem is cost. Development has a staggering cost. VBulletin has a mobile plug in but we have done so much development over the years we can't just turn it on. We know you guys want it, we want to do it, but it would take a couple years revenue at current earnings to pay for it. Maybe if we ever go two tiered to pay/free we will put it in there to make the subscription side more valuable.

Disclaimer; Don't you guys get your panties in a wad over the two tiered remark. We aren't planning on going TER on you guys, where unless you pay for it you can't see the whole review. There are expensive things guys would like here, mobile, more robust search, the ability to filter reviews and providers on personal criterion, maybe some kind of unified review form. Stuff like that we know you want but just can't pay for right now with the ad revenue. We know where our bread is buttered, we have no plans at this time of taking anything you get for free now away, our thinking is more, what can we offer that guys might be willing to step up and pay a monthly or yearly fee for.

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[Tcoupe]

It doesn't / didn't work on ipads either, an app would make it easier for more / new sp's...yea.

As none of it changes minds.

I don't make a clear habit of finance, but I will take opportunity of a chance visit to help someone out, buy the next time, short loan that doesn't equate to much. Anything above and beyond is the chance for someone to walk, regardless of opportunity to make it right.

Question; given the staggering increase of those who utilize the internet from a mobile standpoint is there any chance a working app for this site been considered? I've tried more than once, can't upload pics or easily type out replies. Got on here trying to find a phone number that was in PM's and after numerous tries, gave up.

[Glockman]

As none of it changes minds.

I don't make a clear habit of finance, but I will take opportunity of a chance visit to help someone out, buy the next time, short loan that doesn't equate to much. Anything above and beyond is the chance for someone to walk, regardless of opportunity to make it right.

Question; given the staggering increase of those who utilize the internet from a mobile standpoint is there any chance a working app for this site been considered? I've tried more than once, can't upload pics or easily type out replies. Got on here trying to find a phone number that was in PM's and after numerous tries, gave up.

My Iphone, generation 4, works fine. I can check messages, download photos from both the gallery and from the boards and post replys from both the board and from pms. I haven't tried to upload a photo because I prefer to use my laptop for that. You might consider giving that a try.

[Cheech1]

I don't donate to SA, or the various children's charities, or religiously oriented charities, because IMO the people who run them take way too much of the money for themselves. I much prefer to donate, if I am in a position to do so, directly to the person who will use the donation, money, food, or minutes, whatever. To each their own.

Cheech.

[NKY747]

As none of it changes minds.

I don't make a clear habit of finance, but I will take opportunity of a chance visit to help someone out, buy the next time, short loan that doesn't equate to much. Anything above and beyond is the chance for someone to walk, regardless of opportunity to make it right.

Question; given the staggering increase of those who utilize the internet from a mobile standpoint is there any chance a working app for this site been considered? I've tried more than once, can't upload pics or easily type out replies. Got on here trying to find a phone number that was in PM's and after numerous tries, gave up.

[Admin2]

If my memory hasn't completely deserted me, I think Jackson created that thread at Tonguetwister's request. I seem to recall a particular bit of nastiness directed at a number of girls at the time, and they screamed for a platform to defend themselves. Since then, however, it has lain fallow. In fact, for a while I thought this forum was that renamed, until I discovered its dusty remains one day. Like worn out shoes stashed in the attic for years, it deserved a place in the trash bin.

I went back and checked the first post before I got rid of it, it was one of you guys who created it specifically for some provider.

It's not that we don't like and respect women, we do. We have lots of rules here to protect them. We just are not interested in having a he said/she said forum and I doubt most of you guys do either.

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[Phlasher]

Somebody started a thread (years ago, I didn't know it was there) for "a place where providers can tell their side of the story." I deleted it for two reasons;

• They can do that here.

• The purpose of the forum is to "provide a place for men to talk about women for sex" nowhere in there does it say we will provide "a place for women to talk about the men who talk about them."

It's not what we do, we aren't interested in doing it. This is a locker room, we aren't interested in equal access and we don't have to be.

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If my memory hasn't completely deserted me, I think Jackson created that thread at Tonguetwister's request. I seem to recall a particular bit of nastiness directed at a number of girls at the time, and they screamed for a platform to defend themselves. Since then, however, it has lain fallow. In fact, for a while I thought this forum was that renamed, until I discovered its dusty remains one day. Like worn out shoes stashed in the attic for years, it deserved a place in the trash bin.

[Glockman]

Sorry, I thought this section encouraged Rants, Raves & OPINIONS? I was saying, IMO, I wouldn't do her for 1.0. Maybe a .75 BBBJ? IMO, most big dogs would have better taste than her? IMO, the providers I spent 3.0-7.0 on where of much higher quality than the subject one.

Who are you talking about, the girl Lexi that I posted a photo of or LilaBella. No one said anything about spending 3.0 to 7.0 on Lexi. BC and I took it you were referring to Lexi.

[Member #5083]

My friend and partner has the right to spend on a young lady what ever he feels is fair. Yes he has the m money to pay whatever and he has. He can run with the big dogs so those of you who can't stay on the porch. My 02.

Sorry, I thought this section encouraged Rants, Raves & OPINIONS? I was saying, IMO, I wouldn't do her for 1.0. Maybe a .75 BBBJ? IMO, most big dogs would have better taste than her? IMO, the providers I spent 3.0-7.0 on where of much higher quality than the subject one.

[Member #5260]

I agree. I help my ATF out every now and then when she needs Help. I paid her Rent back in October and I took her Christmas Shopping. She's such a Sweetheart how can I say No to her?

Are you dating her?

[MisforMaster]

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

Seriously, in that type of situation, I always get clarification. I'll generally text / call them back to make sure we're both on the same page -- what I'm hearing from her versus what she's telling me. Most of the time, I'm right. A few times, I've been wrong.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

...we're in the octagon here, so, allow me to be myself for a few minutes.

The girls who think that their time is so valuable, and that they're $DEITY's greatest gift to $BODY_PART are the girls that I specifically stay away from. You can ask some of the providers who know me -- I'll openly tell them that my schedule can be very dynamic, and while it's great to find a time when the stars align where we can see each other at the right time all of the time, there will be times where I'm late, or you're late. I'm not an unreasonable person -- however, if you're more than 15 minutes late and you don't call, I won't answer the door. Period. End of Story. I've *never* had an issue with this policy, and I've had to blacklist providers because of this. I'm up front, honest, and forthright with you, and I expect nothing but the same in return.

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?

That's what I would be doing in that situation. Write her off.

[Admin2]

I agree. I help my ATF out every now and then when she needs Help. I paid her Rent back in October and I took her Christmas Shopping. She's such a Sweetheart how can I say No to her?

I got a girl I'm kinda sweet on here. To the point that I don't see her professionally anymore, (P4 P and emotional involvement is BAAAADDDD JUJU) we have become friends in a limited sense. She wanted to borrow some money the other day for a business deal that overall I support the idea but her plan sucked and was doomed to failure. I showed her how to make a business plan, and told her when she came back to have a plan, and offered to match her dollar for dollar (peso for peso actually) as a long term loan up to an amount I feel comfortable with. I don't want her thinking she can come to me and get bailed out. I want her thinking that I'm willing to help, but I'm not a money well. I'm aware that I might not get the money back if I make the loan and am ok with that.

[Ron M]

Golden Rule of Mongering. Do unto others, but don't expect them to do unto you.

Actually I've been in a similar situation and knew up front that the "help" I was providing was really going to be a gift. I figured I had the cash and she needed the cash so what the hell.. As long as I was sure she wasn't buying drugs with it.

I agree. I help my ATF out every now and then when she needs Help. I paid her Rent back in October and I took her Christmas Shopping. She's such a Sweetheart how can I say No to her?

[Admin2]

Somebody started a thread (years ago, I didn't know it was there) for "a place where providers can tell their side of the story." I deleted it for two reasons;

• They can do that here.

• The purpose of the forum is to "provide a place for men to talk about women for sex" nowhere in there does it say we will provide "a place for women to talk about the men who talk about them."

It's not what we do, we aren't interested in doing it. This is a locker room, we aren't interested in equal access and we don't have to be.

Some chicks tell me this is unfair because they don't get to tell their side of the story. My response is always the same; "If you're good at what you do, you won't have to. Your satisfied customers will do it for you." Behind ads posted in the review threads, the next most common shit I have to deal with on the forum is providers quoting some guys review of them and then starting off with "First of all" or "Let me tell you something." Immediately I throw the Completely Pointless Drama flag. Why? Because it's pointless drama, if you're good at what you do your positive reviews will outweigh your negatives 20-1. I have absolutely zero desire to encourage this behavior in anyway. Hence; I deleted the thread.

Ladies, note this is written in blue, you may respond to it if you wish, but you will be talking to the mod with the godlike presence on the forum, not the guy with a tolerant sense of humor. Speak your mind if you wish, but do it civilly and no finger wagging.

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