"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

My new 19 year old HCB (I am her first) was aghast when she saw the cash on the first date (she threw it back at me). We just finished date # 2. She kept saying

" am I a prostitute?" (today she took the cash)

.

Um, that would be a YES LOL.

Our job for these girls who are not working pros yet is to convince them that they are not Ho's and that it is OK for them to take care of our business. We are magicians, it is all an illusion. Good job Hollywood!

[HollywoodGuy]

While I have read quite a bit about new girls getting a little queezy about the whole cash for sex exchange I personally have not really encountered it, in 6 years of doing this. Maybe because I live in hollywood? or just L.A. in general is all about what you have and getting more.

My new 19 year old HCB (I am her first) was aghast when she saw the cash on the first date (she threw it back at me). We just finished date # 2. She kept saying "Am I a prostitute?" (today she took the cash)

I emailed her this an hour ago. Submitted with her reply.

ME.

A prostitute is a girl that takes money in exchange for sex from multiple men she is un-attracted to, and may engage in sex acts that do not turn her on.

A sugar baby is a girl that is compensated for her time by men (usually one at a time) that she is attracted to... And only has sex that she is turned on by.

Which one are you?

HER.

The second one.

[Golfcart]

I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me.

Some girls take longer to get comfortable. The key is giving the girl the time and space to make her own choice. You can't push on a string. The art to it is not spending too much money on time and space. When the money hurts it's too much. A second or subsequent occurrence of this is not necessarily a bad sign if the amount involved is less than the time before.

[Showtime2020]

If I was rich, I would probably just leverage my bank account and use the allowance as the prime motivator. Keep it simple. Offer a good. Sized allowance. It is a legitimate strategy and many women will appreciate the clarity, directness, and the cash.

I'm not a wealthy guy so what I look for is value: someone who isn't going to cost me much and also wants to sleep with me pretty much immediately.

When I first started out, I felt like I was in a candy store. So many treats! I wanted to try them all!

What I found out was that trying them all meant paying a lot of money. Not only that but the amount of money I paid for my dates didn't really correlate with the FUN I had with my date. You might think that a higher allowance meant more fun but nope. The GP syndrome is real.

The value SBs are out there.*.

Here's where I've found mine:

1. blue. Collar neighborhoods.

Women in trendy neighborhoods tend to want higher allowances. Look in the blue. Collar neighborhoods. I've noticed that education levels are lower and that seems to result in lower allowance expectations.

2. rural areas*.

Search 1-2 hours away from the city for the rural SBs. Combine boredom with a low supply of SD's and you'll find SB's willing to settle for lower allowances.*.

3.*bad pictures.

Bad angles. Bad lighting. Blurry photo. Conservative photos. Someone who posts a bad picture is not going to get as many hits. Fewer contacts by SD's equals lower allowances.

4.*money is not the prime motivator.

Not every SB out there is looking for an allowance. Some have sugar baby fetishes. Some are just bored and want a fling. Some truly want a drama. Free, NSA relationship.

5.really likes you.

If you prove to be a good dater and lover, you'll often get a discount. Dealing with the asshole and creep SD's can be annoying to many SB's so I have found some SB's to be flexible on future allowances just so they don't have to deal with the experience again.*.

I couldn't agree more with your playbook. I've realized that there are a number of chicks who are just looking for some extra cash and they are very willing to go to the FC very quicky to do it. I've made the mistake of going after both P4 P and babes that want to date. I don't have time to date or make her feel comfortable. With the P4 P babes I've had some great success (I will explain later), however the other day I had my first flake. The 20 yr old single mom has been on me for weeks to go to the FC I found her on SA and negotiated terms via text, 150 per visit and we would meet in the morning. After 2 weeks at home with my family I was itching to get into something so I hit up this babe, she quickly agrees but there is one problem. We were supposed to have snow over night and it would be difficult to travel on some roads. At 8 am she texts me to confirm that we are still on and I agree because I got the room the night before. I assume she leaves at 9 am but no I get a text at 10:30 saying she is on her way and it was going to take 90 min to get to me but she was determined. I also got a late check out (1 pm) so we could get into something and I could extend the room another day if we really got into it. At 12:40 she texts and says she's been on the road for 2 hours and is frustrated but that's it, I didn't hear from her again. Maybe she was embarassed or thought I lash out at her but since she doesn't know me she didn't know what to expect. Oh well on to the next one.

Here is my current roster.

Sarg - 30 yr old girl in the military, I see her twice a month and we just go to the FC its been 4 times and I've given her a total of $$6 in sugar, dinner once ($40) and $60 4 X hotel, total $540, She just wants someone to get with every now and then and I'm happy to oblige.

Mom #1 - 23 yr old mom of 2, she is a home health care nurse 3 days a week so she meets me when her kids are at school in the morning. She isn't very affectionate but is determined to make sure I have a great time and does anything she can think of to make that happen. I've seen her twice at $3 per visit plus the $60 room. I also got her a prepaid phone at $30. Toal on this one is $.

Thickie - 20 yr old thick girl she is nasty and I love every second. I've only seen her once due to the holidays but our first encounter left me wanting more. I give her $2 in sugar and the room was $60 so a total of $8.

I also have 2 other girls that want to go on dates so what ever reason I've continued this but these will end soon if we don't go to the FC this month and I'm not spending any more money. Thus far I've spent a total of $300 on these babe and have gotten no where. I get a whole lot more for a whole lot less from my "value" babes.

[Graham111]

Maximum was $$.

8 new babies in 2013, plus one holdover from 2012.8 other M&G which did not pan out.

Youngest 19, oldest 35? (didn't card her).

Total dates - 41. About 50% sleepovers. Total sugar $5 K plus gas and some food. Most sugar was $ Minimum was 50.

Had the most success with SA. Have also used talent section of CL{talent section - }interesting point there is most girls respond via email which provides their real name, then pipl search and facebook to verify and do some hunting.

At end of the year one active, 2 more on deck for when I return to my away city.

[Graham111]

8 new babies in 2013, plus one holdover from 2012.8 other M&G which did not pan out.

Youngest 19, oldest 35? (didn't card her).

Total dates - 41. About 50% sleepovers. Total sugar $5 K plus gas and some food. Most sugar was $ Minimum was 50.

Had the most success with SA. Have also used talent section of CL{talent section - }interesting point there is most girls respond via email which provides their real name, then pipl search and facebook to verify and do some hunting.

At end of the year one active, 2 more on deck for when I return to my away city.

[HollywoodGuy]

This week I stepped into the bowl for the first time. My past experiences have been with "pros". I've read religiously the many posts in this forum hoping to learn as much as I could before diving in. But, I quickly discovered that like sports, practice is good but very different from real game situations or in this case "life in the bowl". About 6 weeks ago, I met a 20-something single mother with long brown hair, spinner body, perfect teeth and a gorgeous face. In our first conversation, it was clear that she had been burned in past relationships and there was baggage and trust issues; it was also clear that what she lacked I could possibly provide. So, after a few drinks and a few hours of conversation we parted with a hug, light kiss and my number in her possession.

Two weeks went by and I got a text claiming she had misplaced my number (written on a matchbook, cliche I know but true). We started texting and talking for about 2 weeks and then talked about an official M&G. Meanwhile, she confessed she was struggling with rent and the holidays so I took a chance and wired her $$ (though not using my real name or address). This week, we had our meeting involving dinner and drinks (25 plus a $gift card). I had a room and invited her to come by for awhile and she was apprehensive suggesting we get to know one another better before taking that step. Without thinking, I said that I understood her feelings completely and was willing to wait.

So, we left in our own vehicles but 15 minutes after I arrived in my room she knocked on the door. So, I opened the door and quickly checked the hall and let her in and she hugged and lightly kissed me. I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. That was dumb beginner's luck because I was mad but didn't show it. After I took her coat, I asked her if she wanted to sit on the sofa and she said no at which point a passionate encounter ensued that included DFK, BBBJ /69, then came the cover with multiple positions. After that I expected her to leave but we fell asleep talking and she woke up at 4:30 am and left. I expected (and perhaps should have broached the subject) her to want something else compensatory but she didn't. We plan to meet again in two weeks and I struggle with how I will handle the damage. Any insight or critique would be appreciated. I apologize for the length, but this dream went from being on "Top of the World" to being seriously let. Down to back on "Top of the World". I would rate her 8- looks, 7- body, 7-skills and 10-attitude. The attitude was like someone I had been with in a long relationship. I hope to repeat often.

R2.

Anything more than a $ a date would be charity.

[HollywoodGuy]

If I was rich, I would probably just leverage my bank account and use the allowance as the prime motivator. Keep it simple. Offer a good. Sized allowance. It is a legitimate strategy and many women will appreciate the clarity, directness, and the cash.

I'm not a wealthy guy so what I look for is value: someone who isn't going to cost me much and also wants to sleep with me pretty much immediately.

When I first started out, I felt like I was in a candy store. So many treats! I wanted to try them all!

What I found out was that trying them all meant paying a lot of money. Not only that but the amount of money I paid for my dates didn't really correlate with the FUN I had with my date. You might think that a higher allowance meant more fun but nope. The GP syndrome is real.

The value SBs are out there.*.

Here's where I've found mine:

1. blue. Collar neighborhoods.

Women in trendy neighborhoods tend to want higher allowances. Look in the blue. Collar neighborhoods. I've noticed that education levels are lower and that seems to result in lower allowance expectations.

2. rural areas*.

Search 1-2 hours away from the city for the rural SBs. Combine boredom with a low supply of SD's and you'll find SB's willing to settle for lower allowances.*.

3.*bad pictures.

Bad angles. Bad lighting. Blurry photo. Conservative photos. Someone who posts a bad picture is not going to get as many hits. Fewer contacts by SD's equals lower allowances.

4.*money is not the prime motivator.

Not every SB out there is looking for an allowance. Some have sugar baby fetishes. Some are just bored and want a fling. Some truly want a drama. Free, NSA relationship.

5.really likes you.

If you prove to be a good dater and lover, you'll often get a discount. Dealing with the asshole and creep SD's can be annoying to many SB's so I have found some SB's to be flexible on future allowances just so they don't have to deal with the experience again.*.

You stole my playbook. LOL.

[Revvo]

This week I stepped into the bowl for the first time. My past experiences have been with "pros". I've read religiously the many posts in this forum hoping to learn as much as I could before diving in. But, I quickly discovered that like sports, practice is good but very different from real game situations or in this case "life in the bowl". About 6 weeks ago, I met a 20-something single mother with long brown hair, spinner body, perfect teeth and a gorgeous face. In our first conversation, it was clear that she had been burned in past relationships and there was baggage and trust issues; it was also clear that what she lacked I could possibly provide. So, after a few drinks and a few hours of conversation we parted with a hug, light kiss and my number in her possession.

Two weeks went by and I got a text claiming she had misplaced my number (written on a matchbook, cliche I know but true). We started texting and talking for about 2 weeks and then talked about an official M&G. Meanwhile, she confessed she was struggling with rent and the holidays so I took a chance and wired her $$ (though not using my real name or address). This week, we had our meeting involving dinner and drinks (25 plus a $gift card). I had a room and invited her to come by for awhile and she was apprehensive suggesting we get to know one another better before taking that step. Without thinking, I said that I understood her feelings completely and was willing to wait.

So, we left in our own vehicles but 15 minutes after I arrived in my room she knocked on the door. So, I opened the door and quickly checked the hall and let her in and she hugged and lightly kissed me. I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. That was dumb beginner's luck because I was mad but didn't show it. After I took her coat, I asked her if she wanted to sit on the sofa and she said no at which point a passionate encounter ensued that included DFK, BBBJ /69, then came the cover with multiple positions. After that I expected her to leave but we fell asleep talking and she woke up at 4:30 am and left. I expected (and perhaps should have broached the subject) her to want something else compensatory but she didn't. We plan to meet again in two weeks and I struggle with how I will handle the damage. Any insight or critique would be appreciated. I apologize for the length, but this dream went from being on "Top of the World" to being seriously let. Down to back on "Top of the World". I would rate her 8- looks, 7- body, 7-skills and 10-attitude. The attitude was like someone I had been with in a long relationship. I hope to repeat often.

R2.

Reffin that is an awesome start. One thing I learned is to never show anger no matter what they do. There are many opportunities for them to come back after something goes wrong. It has happened to me many times.

You did great. And the amazing thing I would probably never have sent her any money. But sometimes you look at it like an investment.

And remember what I have always said the bowl is a fluid situation. It will always be filled with ups and downs. Accept it or you will be miserble.

You are doing great. Now time to lock her in. Keep building that trust and get her into a regular rotation. Establish with her how much you are going to spend on her. This will show her you are taking the lead.

Keep writing that is how you learn.

Revvo.

[FotoGuy1970]

Hi guys. Been lurking here for a while and reading the volumes of info.

I dipped my toes into the pool a couple months ago with some success. One of my pet peeves is paying for access to any of the sugar baby sites. I have limited funds, and it just seems counter productive to use them to pay for access to one of the sites. I tried Craigslist with no success.

What I've settled on is sugardaddytoday. Seems like most of the women are real, I've had 5 M&G of which 2 led to FC dates on the next meet. Every once in a while I get a message from someone absurdly far away but other than that there's no spam, very limited fakes, and it's free with no CC required.

Was wondering why no one has ever referenced this site on these boards? Is it possible it's never been found by anyone here?

Actually, I use that site but the only luck I've had with it has been all bad. One girl lived 90 minutes away and wanted me to give sugar without giving sugar in return. Another wanted to engage in endless e. Mails and texts and then she wanted me to advance her some sugar before we even met. I still go to the site and see what's happening in my area, but the local pickings on that site are very, very slim.

[Dolato]

Compliment her when she does something you like, but don't criticize her deficiencies. Positive reinforcement is the way to go. She will respond happily when you tell her what a great kiss she just gave you and try to please you more.

Positive reinforcement is always the way to go. Unless it's a seasoned pro just going with the flow, compliments can be a great motivator for her to not be self conscious and just let go.

Revvo: I had to look up Vanessa Marcil and your spinner deserves an extra point if that's what she looks like. If the lack of skills is her only deficiency, see it as an opportunity to mold her into just what you want in the FC. She's young and probably just used to lying back in mish while a guy her age pumps twice before finishing.

Copper Fool: Am I reading correctly that you've got sweet honey on a $/ MONTH allowance for min 3 dates? That's impressive. What's your total cost with her out the pocket including room and other expenses? I was high fiving myself when I had a SB on a $/ date which were overnighters and her making me dinner every other date.

I think there were some other posts I wanted to reply to but with the activity on this board I forget what it was.

On a closing note: I've been good with keeping self identifying information locked up in the glove compartment including insurance / registration, receipts with my name and even my dry cleaning slip that I usually keep in the cup holder, when I've got a SB or POT in my car. I just realized that a scarf that I've had in the back of my car since winter started is now missing. It's not valuable or important but now I'll have to just toss things in the trunk atleast. I think one of the car dates just grabbed it along with her stuff. Has anyone else had something similar happen with getting things lifted from your car?

[Reffin2]

This week I stepped into the bowl for the first time. My past experiences have been with "pros". I've read religiously the many posts in this forum hoping to learn as much as I could before diving in. But, I quickly discovered that like sports, practice is good but very different from real game situations or in this case "life in the bowl". About 6 weeks ago, I met a 20-something single mother with long brown hair, spinner body, perfect teeth and a gorgeous face. In our first conversation, it was clear that she had been burned in past relationships and there was baggage and trust issues; it was also clear that what she lacked I could possibly provide. So, after a few drinks and a few hours of conversation we parted with a hug, light kiss and my number in her possession.

Two weeks went by and I got a text claiming she had misplaced my number (written on a matchbook, cliche I know but true). We started texting and talking for about 2 weeks and then talked about an official M&G. Meanwhile, she confessed she was struggling with rent and the holidays so I took a chance and wired her $$ (though not using my real name or address). This week, we had our meeting involving dinner and drinks (25 plus a $gift card). I had a room and invited her to come by for awhile and she was apprehensive suggesting we get to know one another better before taking that step. Without thinking, I said that I understood her feelings completely and was willing to wait.

So, we left in our own vehicles but 15 minutes after I arrived in my room she knocked on the door. So, I opened the door and quickly checked the hall and let her in and she hugged and lightly kissed me. I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. That was dumb beginner's luck because I was mad but didn't show it. After I took her coat, I asked her if she wanted to sit on the sofa and she said no at which point a passionate encounter ensued that included DFK, BBBJ /69, then came the cover with multiple positions. After that I expected her to leave but we fell asleep talking and she woke up at 4:30 am and left. I expected (and perhaps should have broached the subject) her to want something else compensatory but she didn't. We plan to meet again in two weeks and I struggle with how I will handle the damage. Any insight or critique would be appreciated. I apologize for the length, but this dream went from being on "Top of the World" to being seriously let. Down to back on "Top of the World". I would rate her 8- looks, 7- body, 7-skills and 10-attitude. The attitude was like someone I had been with in a long relationship. I hope to repeat often.

R2.

[ThirdCoaster]

If I was rich, I would probably just leverage my bank account and use the allowance as the prime motivator. Keep it simple. Offer a good. Sized allowance. It is a legitimate strategy and many women will appreciate the clarity, directness, and the cash.

I'm not a wealthy guy so what I look for is value: someone who isn't going to cost me much and also wants to sleep with me pretty much immediately.

When I first started out, I felt like I was in a candy store. So many treats! I wanted to try them all!

What I found out was that trying them all meant paying a lot of money. Not only that but the amount of money I paid for my dates didn't really correlate with the FUN I had with my date. You might think that a higher allowance meant more fun but nope. The GP syndrome is real.

The value SBs are out there.*.

Here's where I've found mine:

1. blue. Collar neighborhoods.

Women in trendy neighborhoods tend to want higher allowances. Look in the blue. Collar neighborhoods. I've noticed that education levels are lower and that seems to result in lower allowance expectations.

2. rural areas*.

Search 1-2 hours away from the city for the rural SBs. Combine boredom with a low supply of SD's and you'll find SB's willing to settle for lower allowances.*.

3.*bad pictures.

Bad angles. Bad lighting. Blurry photo. Conservative photos. Someone who posts a bad picture is not going to get as many hits. Fewer contacts by SD's equals lower allowances.

4.*money is not the prime motivator.

Not every SB out there is looking for an allowance. Some have sugar baby fetishes. Some are just bored and want a fling. Some truly want a drama. Free, NSA relationship.

5.really likes you.

If you prove to be a good dater and lover, you'll often get a discount. Dealing with the asshole and creep SD's can be annoying to many SB's so I have found some SB's to be flexible on future allowances just so they don't have to deal with the experience again.*.

[ThirdCoaster]

I have been lurking on this thread since I got involved in the SD world back in the spring.*It has been a really fascinating, exciting, and educational year. Lots of mistakes. Good number of successes.

The suggestion has been made to read all the posts from the beginning. DO IT!*.

It took me something like two weeks to read everything but inside I found a goldmine of practical tips and motivational experiences.

-Thirdcoaster.

[FredMoore]

So I am doing this update with one of my comparisons. Very very different two women, in about every way these POTs are my Southern Sexy MILF and PuertoRican Tat Hottie. So first my Southern Sexy MILF (SSM) is older 40 YO White and kind of large but not fat I would guess around 145 lbs. Attractive, and very very sexual. She is a 7/6/8/? .

My PuertoRican Tat Hottie (PRTH) , is very beautiful, 19 YO Latina, very small a bonifide spinner even in the Hollywood scale, 5'3" 103 lbs. She is tiny and so fucking cute! She is really put together well and perfectly quioffed, and very artistic looking. She is much more shy and reserved in bed. Yes I fucked her today and she has a ways to go. She genuinely seems to like me and she tells me how much she likes being with me and how safe and comfortable she feels with me. But she definitely has a ways to go in sexual part. But damn what a sweet pussy. So tight and a beautiful ass. She is officially now at a 10/9/8/6. Kinda looks like Vanessa Marcil. And I want to bring that 6 up to a 10. Does anyone of the brothers have any advice on how to improve that score? Training wise? She is too good to waste that pussy with skills at a 6. I can help her with the blowjob. But any other advice would be awesome.


Revvo.

Revvo. Anyone can spread their legs or plug a hole and pump it out while thinking of other things, but kissing __at least to me _ is the most sensual and emotionally satisfying act that we can engage in. So as Hollywood says, give it time and let the "love" grow. Even though you are an "old man" to her, she will become fonder as time goes on and will become more sensual. Don't push her. Compliment her when she does something you like, but don't criticize her deficiencies. Positive reinforcement is the way to go. She will respond happily when you tell her what a great kiss she just gave you and try to please you more.