Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Gatty23]

Could you providers please be honest about your boob size? It's not like us mongers aren't going to notice. If you are going out for the evening you can wear padding, push-up bras, or even stuff them with sweat socks. But let's face it, shortly after we arrive we are going to see, feel and suck on them. Even if it's dark in the room. And just because you went out and bought a DD bra to surround those be tits and look big in pictures, they are still be's. Or, if they were DD's ten years ago when you weighed 73 lbs more or when you were pregnant, if they are back to be's now, tell us! I've been around long enough to know I have a be size hand, but I love DD's. When you tell me you've got them, I want them.

Finally, you guys, when you give your reviews it might be a good idea to report obvious exaggerations. We regularly report on old pictures or weight differences, but boobs seem to get a pass. To start the honesty ball rolling, no, my dick isn't 11".

[Member #4637]

DNut, you are 100% correct. This is a service business. Anyone who believes being 45 min late or more is to be expected or excused is deserving of being run out of the business. I have not, since my 1 and ony visit with Melea 10 months ago, used EE and am not inclined to ever attempt it again. I'll stick with the independents I know or new ones who are highly reviewed here. Oh, and my experience with Buddah's girls has been perfect so far.

SC.

First of all, let me correct you on your numbers. She was NOT 40 minutes late. She was 54 minutes past the appointment when she CALLED me, which doesn't even mean she has arrived. I looked out the window and there was no one there. Providers who do outcall are NOT always 15-20 minutes late. If that's your expectation without telling the client that it's a possibility, then you are in the wrong business.

FYI-- I gave her up to 45 minutes to be late, which is TRIPPLE your 15 minute expectation. That's when I cancelled, at 45 minutes. And the reason I didn't act like it was a problem until it became a problem (at the 40 minute mark when I texted that I was thinking of cancelling.) is because it wouldn't have helped the situation. Would she have gotten there any sooner if I told you I was getting pissed?

Secondly, it doesn't matter whether or not I have plans at 8:01. Whether I do or do not is of no concern of yours. If I planned on just walking around my house naked with a vacuum cleaner hose stuck up my ass giving myself an enema at 8:05, that's MY TIME and not for you or or any provider to allocate for yourselves as a buffer. You want a buffer? You ask for one.

It doesn't matter if it's 2 days before Christmas, or 10 days after Cinco de Mayo. I made the appointment for 7 pm, you accepted and verified. It's not unreasonable for me to expect that she be there at 7 pm. I think, and everyone here pretty much agrees that me giving her 45 minutes before cancelling was being generous of me.

If she has GPS (as you claim she was using) she has ZERO excuses why she couldn't be there within a reasonable time, and 54 minutes before calling allegedly from my house is NOT reasonable. I can drive from downtown to King's Island AND BACK in 45 minutes. I can drive from Covington, KY to the northern part of Lexington, KY in 55 minutes. I can make an entire drive around the I-275 loop, all 80 miles of it, in 55 minutes. ZERO excuses.

So, if you think that coming here on The Octagon, and make yourself out to be the victim of some unreasonable man, then you really need to learn some customer service skills. I was more than reasonable; more than some of the other guys. A better businessman would have apologized, offer to re-schedule with a time guarantee, or just say, "I'm going to address this with Melea so it never happens again.

THAT would have been the thing to do. Instead you try to make me out to be the unreasonable bad guy, trying to excuse the tardiness with, "It was 8:01 pm 2 days before Christmas. You can't be doing anything else anyway." That is bull shit. 100% utter bull shit.

[Festellung]

I have to say, a few recent posts by a couple of individuals has me worried. I'm sure the other rational, normal, members of this board know immediately who I mean.

It's not just the veiled (or not so veiled) threats against providers, but the general timbre of the posts that gives me mental images of a John Wayne Gacy type angrily grinding out these messages.

An ugly inside trapped behind an equally ugly and frustrated outside seems downright volatile and dangerous to me, especially when these wackos seem to think the ability to scrape together a couple of hundred bucks entitles them to their mysogyny.

I hope providers have taken note of these true colors showing through lately, and will protect themselves by simply refusing to see these angry sociopaths.

The warning signs are there; these losers are dangerous.

I'm not going to go back and check, however as a reminder, even with the relaxed rules in The Octagon, direct threats to anybody are not allowed. If you see something like that please report it.

A2

[D Nut]

I move this to the octagon since I can't have my say in the other discussion forms.

Yes she was late...Yes it is and was a problem...

But I did tell you about it and updated you everytime I was updated. I cannot call or text them constantly as they use the GPS on their phones.

Traffic, lack of sunlight and street lights, unfamiliar part of town, wrong turns, wrong directions from GPS (yes this happens), and just the basic fact she is a girl driving herself in the middle of the night using the phone makes them late.

At no point did you act like it was a issue. I would think most providers show up 15-20 late the first time visiting most clients cause they don't know where to park and what building it is and apartment etc..

It's to reason you would not have plans at 8:01 pm. It seems as it's 2 days before Christmas you would be more forgiving. Yes I recruit the young and hot providers. Maybe I am Insane but they have what most all other providers cannot match, youth and looks.

Yes they are hard to motivate and get commitments from. They do not deal with the backlash... I do.. I try to get them all on the same level but it takes time. And I know your time is important and is mine and hers.

If you want bash and ridicule me over Melea being late 40 min then that's your right and that is what makes USASG great. I can certainly see why a lot of providers do not offer outcall. Not everyone likes or uses my service. I understand.

Again Melea and I apologize and hope to Dnut and Mslim84 . Hope everyone has a great and joyful holiday,

Thanks EE.

First of all, let me correct you on your numbers. She was NOT 40 minutes late. She was 54 minutes past the appointment when she CALLED me, which doesn't even mean she has arrived. I looked out the window and there was no one there. Providers who do outcall are NOT always 15-20 minutes late. If that's your expectation without telling the client that it's a possibility, then you are in the wrong business.

FYI-- I gave her up to 45 minutes to be late, which is TRIPPLE your 15 minute expectation. That's when I cancelled, at 45 minutes. And the reason I didn't act like it was a problem until it became a problem (at the 40 minute mark when I texted that I was thinking of cancelling.) is because it wouldn't have helped the situation. Would she have gotten there any sooner if I told you I was getting pissed?

Secondly, it doesn't matter whether or not I have plans at 8:01. Whether I do or do not is of no concern of yours. If I planned on just walking around my house naked with a vacuum cleaner hose stuck up my ass giving myself an enema at 8:05, that's MY TIME and not for you or or any provider to allocate for yourselves as a buffer. You want a buffer? You ask for one.

It doesn't matter if it's 2 days before Christmas, or 10 days after Cinco de Mayo. I made the appointment for 7 pm, you accepted and verified. It's not unreasonable for me to expect that she be there at 7 pm. I think, and everyone here pretty much agrees that me giving her 45 minutes before cancelling was being generous of me.

If she has GPS (as you claim she was using) she has ZERO excuses why she couldn't be there within a reasonable time, and 54 minutes before calling allegedly from my house is NOT reasonable. I can drive from downtown to King's Island AND BACK in 45 minutes. I can drive from Covington, KY to the northern part of Lexington, KY in 55 minutes. I can make an entire drive around the I-275 loop, all 80 miles of it, in 55 minutes. ZERO excuses.

So, if you think that coming here on The Octagon, and make yourself out to be the victim of some unreasonable man, then you really need to learn some customer service skills. I was more than reasonable; more than some of the other guys. A better businessman would have apologized, offer to re-schedule with a time guarantee, or just say, "I'm going to address this with Melea so it never happens again.

THAT would have been the thing to do. Instead you try to make me out to be the unreasonable bad guy, trying to excuse the tardiness with, "It was 8:01 pm 2 days before Christmas. You can't be doing anything else anyway." That is bull shit. 100% utter bull shit.

[PillowTalk69]

The site is having issues loading to get on or at least on my puter. Maybe just my machine.

[Dweezil]

That's what sets you and other top notch providers apart, attention to details along with common courtesy.

MM.

Attention to detail, common courtesy, AND thinking about this as a business. Not mechanical or work-like in the moment but all of the prep that goes around it. Think about it fellow mongers, if you had a work meeting somewhere any you'd never been there before, wouldn't you plan to arrive early 10-20-30 minutes. That's just part of the job so that at meeting time, you KNOW you're going to be where you need to be. Getting lost happens but it doesn't become a problem unless you've timed everything for perfection.

Pros, and I include Ally in that group (as well as some of the other "usual suspects" of top providers that roam these parts), know that chit can happen that they set their plans to allow for it without it effecting the meeting time.

And while I'm on a rant. The un-pro thing that makes me absolutely nuts is when you talk to a provider to get the general area, then you talk to her to get the specific property, then you call to say "I'm in the parking lot, what room" and they say "by the way, do you have any raincoats, I'm all out". I know, I know. Boy scouts are always prepared but sometimes there are circumstances where I just don't want to be walking around with a pocket full of trojans. And then, to wait for the third call to say BYOC. Seriously. WTF. That's like the plumber showing up at your front door to repair the leaky shower and announcing he can only do it if you've got a pipe wrench in the basement.

Last time I got that message 60 seconds from hitting the room, I said screw it, I'm out of here. Miraculously, I got a call back in 30 seconds announcing that some supplies had just mysteriously appeared.

Anyway, my point is that a pro is not just a pro during the meeting, they're a pro during all the prep too. Going early to be sure they're not late. Having all the appropriate supplies. Being focused on good communications before and during a session. All these little things add up and ladies, you can say it's not your job because we're only paying for the half hour or hour (or more) of your time. What sets the Ally's, Molly's, or LSM's (as examples) apart is they know that they have to prepare to deliver a great experience. It ain't just good luck. There are more than a few providers who think their only role in all this is to show up and be horny. That sure helps but the prep makes all the difference in the world.

Rant over. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Have a great day.

Dz.

[Mmslim84]

That's what sets you and other top notch providers apart, attention to details along with common courtesy.

MM.

My take on this, and maybe this is part of just me, but I always figure out where I am going ahead of time, and aim for getting there 30 min early, that way I know I won't be late. Yes traffic and dark and all that are factors, but shouldn't be the reason anyone is that late. IF I have been more late than that due to an accident or something else out of my control I do keep in CONSTANT contact with the gentlemen to let him know just that. So there are a few out there, including myself that value a client's time and getting there on time as well each and every time. The 15-20 min late each time thing to me is very unprofessional IMHO.

[PhatDaty]

Sasha, CupCake, Becca and I want to wish everyone a Very Merry Christmas!

Despite his platitudes, make no mistake, UTR is nothing short of Grimm's Krampus. Book with him if you wish to simply avoid being with any gal I have seen since I bruised his ego, however I would proffer that his ladies would be even better if they break free from his erratic and often Psychotic bonds.

[Utr In Ohio]

You back-peddle when you are roasted on your bullshit, and you and your buddies decide to attempt to pile on and fail. Just fuck off already. I will continue to do sessions with many of the ladies in our region, many of which you see, while you cling to ignorance being bliss. Even the ladies you claim that say differently know the truth. Nobody matches my ability to make them cum and squirt. If it makes you feel better, I have a skinny, 3 inch dick, so that is why I became so good at DATY and digit / g-spot squirting during DATY, hence the handle.

As to Sasha and company, they are merely, if it is even them typing the posts, parroting UTR. At best he is an idiot pimp, at worse, he is an erratic and indiscreet bastard. Either way, I will no longer see Sasha and Cupcake, even if they begged me until they drop him and go independent. All he has done is caused me to to revisit my old belief that girls with handlers are in a bad place.

There are plenty of other wonderful and skilled that want my business: money, kindness in sessions, and erotic pleasure.

Cupcake and Sasha, if they are being honest, know I have always been very kind to them in our sessions, until that slovenly egomaniac got in their head. In the end, he only deprived them of steady income with his constant bullshit.

The only other "no see" gal is Molly. Why? Because I once wrote a bad report on her after she dropped three appointments in a row, one of which cost me $160 on the room I booked for us when she no showed.

So for all of you that can't bear to see the same girls as me: go for those three. I wouldn't fuck them if they paid me.

Sasha, CupCake, Becca and I want to wish everyone a Very Merry Christmas!

[Cheech1]

Pardon me for butting in from up north, but I got to add my 2 cents. Tardiness is an innate part of being a woman. I have never in my almost 56 years of life been involved with a woman who was reliably and always, or even mostly, on time, with the exception of a few women in legitimate business I was involved with in the past. And even they were usually late, if only a couple minutes.

Gentlemen, I submit to you that having a punanni causes one's timekeeping devices to slow, probably due to a heretofore undiscovered vaginiac electromagnetic radiation effecting the circuitry. The only solution is to make plans with the foreknowledge and foresight that you expect the lady to be anywhere from 1 to 2 hours late. Either that, or Steve, start driving them to their appointments, they spend the drive time getting ready.

Cheech.

[BuyingSmiles]

I would think most providers show up 15-20 late the first time visiting most clients cause they don't know where to park and what building it is and apartment etc..

I work a few jobs. At one I am a chauffer for a limousine company. I know things happen when you are going to a new place to meet a person. I have had my gps send me 20 minutes from where I was supposed to be picking my pax up. I have passed exits driving through construction on interstates adding unaccounted for minutes to my drive time. Traffic jams can get you when & where ever you go. For these and many more reasons I try to map out any and all trips as soon s I get the info. If I even think I am going to be close to late I call the dispatch or the client to verify location or even have them walk me in to their location. Why? Because I am a professional, I want my clients to have nothing but rave reviews of my service. I want them to request me for their future needs in transportation. I understand shit happens, that's why I am proactive. I would rather be 15,25 or even an hour early to a pick up than 1 minute late. I don't get paid extra if I am a half hour early. But I have never been late when I showed up early either. I know every time your girls are late they are going to say sorry I did not mean to be late. My question to them is did you mean not to be late? Cause if you ment to not be late, more times than not, your not going to be late. For you to tell your girls it's ok to be late 15-20 minutes every time they meet a new client at a new location (and that's exactly what you did with your post here) is bad business. You re enabling them to continue their less than professional ways. I can't imagine the shit I would get if I told my passengers it is standerd procedure to be 15-20 minutes late when a driver is picking up a a new person at new location.

[EloquentEven]

I move this to the octagon since I can't have my say in the other discussion forms.

Yes she was late...Yes it is and was a problem...

But I did tell you about it and updated you everytime I was updated. I cannot call or text them constantly as they use the GPS on their phones.

Traffic, lack of sunlight and street lights, unfamiliar part of town, wrong turns, wrong directions from GPS (yes this happens), and just the basic fact she is a girl driving herself in the middle of the night using the phone makes them late.

At no point did you act like it was a issue. I would think most providers show up 15-20 late the first time visiting most clients cause they don't know where to park and what building it is and apartment etc..

It's to reason you would not have plans at 8:01 pm. It seems as it's 2 days before Christmas you would be more forgiving. Yes I recruit the young and hot providers. Maybe I am Insane but they have what most all other providers cannot match, youth and looks.

Yes they are hard to motivate and get commitments from. They do not deal with the backlash... I do.. I try to get them all on the same level but it takes time. And I know your time is important and is mine and hers.

If you want bash and ridicule me over Melea being late 40 min then that's your right and that is what makes USASG great. I can certainly see why a lot of providers do not offer outcall. Not everyone likes or uses my service. I understand.

Again Melea and I apologize and hope to Dnut and Mslim84 . Hope everyone has a great and joyful holiday,

Thanks EE.

[BuyingSmiles]

Jerry Jerry Jerry!

[PhatDaty]

Pissing Contest? I feel as if I have nothing more to prove. Asshat keeps altering what I say so that in his mind he is right or the best or whatever. I've never said that I wouldn't see a provider just because you are. Please repost my quoted statement where I did. What I did say is that I see a couple (2) girls that won't see you. I've said that more than once. In the case that my one girl who came forward is lying. & you are in fact seeing her, I accept your DATY challenge. Since a well recognized, highly reviewed provider has already said that I'm the best, please pay for my next session with her on your next visit. I am not impressed or intimidated by your writing, money, or worldly travels. You have nothing that makes me wish I had any part of your lifestyle incorporated into mine. I will concede on one portion of our back & forth verbiage. You apparently own a bear bell and I do not. Cherish the hell out of that bear bell. You beat the hell out of me on that one. I've never seen Molly but will have to try to schedule some of her time as she must be an outstanding judge of character. Merry Christmas everyone! Now I'll wait to be insulted some more because bullying and boasting is all he can do to make up for feelings of inadequacy. Peace to all, I'm done with it.

You back-peddle when you are roasted on your bullshit, and you and your buddies decide to attempt to pile on and fail. Just fuck off already. I will continue to do sessions with many of the ladies in our region, many of which you see, while you cling to ignorance being bliss. Even the ladies you claim that say differently know the truth. Nobody matches my ability to make them cum and squirt. If it makes you feel better, I have a skinny, 3 inch dick, so that is why I became so good at DATY and digit / g-spot squirting during DATY, hence the handle.

As to Sasha and company, they are merely, if it is even them typing the posts, parroting UTR. At best he is an idiot pimp, at worse, he is an erratic and indiscreet bastard. Either way, I will no longer see Sasha and Cupcake, even if they begged me until they drop him and go independent. All he has done is caused me to to revisit my old belief that girls with handlers are in a bad place.

There are plenty of other wonderful and skilled that want my business: money, kindness in sessions, and erotic pleasure.

Cupcake and Sasha, if they are being honest, know I have always been very kind to them in our sessions, until that slovenly egomaniac got in their head. In the end, he only deprived them of steady income with his constant bullshit.

The only other "no see" gal is Molly. Why? Because I once wrote a bad report on her after she dropped three appointments in a row, one of which cost me $160 on the room I booked for us when she no showed.

So for all of you that can't bear to see the same girls as me: go for those three. I wouldn't fuck them if they paid me.

[Member #5522]

Pissing Contest? I feel as if I have nothing more to prove. Asshat keeps altering what I say so that in his mind he is right or the best or whatever. I've never said that I wouldn't see a provider just because you are. Please repost my quoted statement where I did. What I did say is that I see a couple (2) girls that won't see you. I've said that more than once. In the case that my one girl who came forward is lying. & you are in fact seeing her, I accept your DATY challenge. Since a well recognized, highly reviewed provider has already said that I'm the best, please pay for my next session with her on your next visit. I am not impressed or intimidated by your writing, money, or worldly travels. You have nothing that makes me wish I had any part of your lifestyle incorporated into mine. I will concede on one portion of our back & forth verbiage. You apparently own a bear bell and I do not. Cherish the hell out of that bear bell. You beat the hell out of me on that one. I've never seen Molly but will have to try to schedule some of her time as she must be an outstanding judge of character. Merry Christmas everyone! Now I'll wait to be insulted some more because bullying and boasting is all he can do to make up for feelings of inadequacy. Peace to all, I'm done with it.