"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**J Martinez** · 12-24-13 00:51

Originally Posted by Ltnric [View Original Post]

...Now don't get me wrong this woman is woth $500 but I just don't think she is going to get it from ...

My 2 cents, no SB is worth $500 for one meeting. If you've got $ to burn, mabe it means different, but not here.

**Dsprdo** · 12-24-13 00:48

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1963270}
I hear a lot of guys saying they can get p*ssy for $ or $ Well I guess I am just getting stuck with top self SB cause a lot of girls have laughed at my initial offer of $. The lowest I could get was from this white trash country chick who said she would want $250 for the first time and then maybe she could come down lower.
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As I said earlier, I have had a lot of success this year in the $ range. All of these girls are attractive, the oldest was 29, and there were no "BBW"; but I wouldn't rate any of them a 10. For me an attractive 22-29 year old woman in my bed seems like a fantasy, she doesn't have to be flawless for me to count my blessings. I am fortunate to live in an urban area with a couple of colleges where there are lots of hot young women and not enough money to go around, so the pool is pretty deep. There are plenty of perfect 10 knockouts on SA here, and I have messaged my share of them but haven't gotten many nibbles from them at the $ price point, and really not many when I don't mention an amount in my opening email. I'll keep throwing my line at them; but if my wheelhouse remains the normally attractive 22-29 year old women I've been meeting, I stay in this budget, and continue to have success then I will remain very happy. Keep us posted on what happens with your future wife and happy hunting!

**Ltnric** · 12-23-13 23:56

So I have been on SA for a month and today I let my subscription run. I have been texting with about 6 women and so far nothing. Well last week I had my 2nd m&g with an amazing woman. She is a 22 year old college student and a part time lingerie model. This woman was stunning. We were having dinner (yes I know rookie mistake) and when she went to the bathroom the waiter said to me "Dude she is super hot". This got me thinking, was it obvious that this girl was only with me for the money or was he just your typical dumb ass who doesn't realize that you shouldn't say something like that to a customer. This kid was super dumb and super slow. Worst service every.

Well long story story she wants $500 per date! She said she has had only one other sugar daddy that she met at a bar and when he moved away a friend of hers told her about SA. She said that her previous SD gave her $800 per visit. Now don't get me wrong this woman is woth $500 but I just don't think she is going to get it from me. At least not until I have had a chance with another SB I have met once and hope to meet again this week.

I hear a lot of guys saying they can get p*ssy for $ or $ Well I guess I am just getting stuck with top self SB cause a lot of girls have laughed at my initial offer of $. The lowest I could get was from this white trash country chick who said she would want $250 for the first time and then maybe she could come down lower.

So needless to say the prices are too high for me right now and I guess I need to meet more desperate women who are willing to take lower. But $500, yeah not going to happen... At least not now. I'll know I'll eventually cave in.

HAPPY HOLIDAY to all of my new friends out there.

Stay Thirsty my friends.

**Golfcart** · 12-23-13 22:58

Originally Posted by Almsga62 [View Original Post]

How to break the ice.
Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money.

You don't have to move forward, she will. Just remain in the picture with a few dollars here and there which sounds like what has been going on. It will happen she'll need a hundred and the clothes will come flying off. Don't link the money to performance but time it that way. The only problem I see is the part about the three kids and the low paying job. This is bound to get expensive. Watch for being played. I wouldn't plant both feet. Do not become emotionally involved and for God's sake don't get attached to the kids. Do not spend more than you could strike a match and burn. Watch for trends, changes in the interaction and for that it's a good idea to keep notes that you date. I think I said don't get emotionally involved and don't get attached to the kids.

**HollywoodGuy** · 12-23-13 22:02

Originally Posted by Almsga62 [View Original Post]

Thanks. Will do.

Tell her she can start small. Like what if she never had to pay her cel phone or car insurance ever again? We know its probably only going to last a few months. But it could last for years. And sometimes it does.

**Almsga62** · 12-23-13 19:09

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Just ask her straight up if she ever wished she had a rich boyfriend. That should get the convo going.

Thanks. Will do.

**HollywoodGuy** · 12-23-13 19:03

Originally Posted by Dsprdo [View Original Post]

I started reading this thread in February of this year and was immediately hooked. I began to explore a couple of the SD sites and sent out notes in earnest in April. I've learned a ton through the combined wisdom of the brothers on here and felt it was time to look back and recap. I didn't keep records of how many initial letters I sent out but I'm sure it ran into the hundreds. I estimate I went on about 25 M&G's since May. Of those 25,11 have wound up with POF; another five were willing but after I met them in person I elected not to move forward. Of the 10 or so that I met with that I didn't succeed in bedding, it was a mixed bag. Over half of them decided not to go forward for reasons other than sugar amount. In some cases I would say that they got cold feet, and decided that they just weren't ready to take the plunge. This seemed to be the case with several girls that I would say were absolutely new to the idea of a sugar relationship. In other cases it was due to either a lack of attraction to me or shortcomings in my closing game; as I've seen them subsequently active on SA. The rest boiled down to dollars. I decided early on that I would try and stick to HG's program of $ per visit; and have been generally successful. My first couple of girls were one and done; one by my choice and one by hers (we had not discussed sugar, she refused to tell me what she was thinking, so I gave her $ and when I contacted her again she said she really needed $ I had one girl for a couple of months at $.5 a visit, and one at $$ per week, and my current regular is 500 per month. Of the 11, I am still seeing two. Of the nine that aren't around anymore, only one broke off with me. I haven't had any real drama from any of the girls, and most have been to my house. All in all it has been a great year.

The $ a visit allowance isn't always a success. In the last couple of weeks I have had M&G's with two girls set up who had agreed to $, only to have them flake on me. I think both of them were more UTR types supplementing the budget for the holidays who may have gotten a better offer.

I came very close to throwing the budget to the winds this week. I met a 21 year old blond, green-eyed spinner who said she was absolutely new to the bowl. She works as a bartender, had moved here from out of state, has her own apartment with no roommates. I was captivated by her. We met a second time to go over expectations and get the money talk out of the way. She agreed to everything I put on the table, and lightly traced her nails on the back of my hand as we talked. I asked her what she felt she needed as far as financial help, and she wouldn't say. I offered $$ per week, which would cover her rent, and without hesitation she refused. I asked again what she had in mind since she was so quick to reject my offer and she still said she didn't know. We were pressed for time, so I had to leave and told her that I would be in touch the next day and would think about the finances. She gave me a terrific kiss and walked me to the door. On the drive home she texted me and said she had canceled her plans for the next day so that we could get together-and oh, by the way, could I have her allowance for her then. That night I thought long and hard about upping the ante, even if it meant cutting my current regular loose, because I REALLY wanted this girl. Eventually, blood returned to my brain and I began to think of the anomalies. On our very first scheduled M&G, she flaked without a call or a text. I had overlooked it when she apologized the next day, but it called into question her reliability. We had the financial discussion at her apartment, which was very nice and nicely furnished. I had taken that as a good sign, but now began to wonder how she afforded it, based on the back story and what I knew of her job. Finally there was the matter of the allowance. I had said "per week" and she kept coming back with "per month", and still hadn't given me an idea of what she wanted. Basically I was about to start bidding against myself, throwing numbers out there until she heard one she liked, and she was expecting a month's worth up front. She sent me another nice text that evening, saying she was looking forward to the next day. I responded that I was thinking things through and would be in touch. The next morning, with a clear head, I told her that I would not be able to meet her needs and wished her well. She fired back a couple of snarky comments, that I politely deflected, then she ended our conversation pleasantly. She was the prototype of what I am looking for if everything she said had turned out to be true, but I think I made the right choice. I am sure I will continue second-guessing myself for a while.

You did the right thing. I pay my regulars by the week (or even one by the visit). I used to pay some in the past by the month. Not anymore unless its just a couple hundred on account.

**HollywoodGuy** · 12-23-13 18:58

Originally Posted by Almsga62 [View Original Post]

Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money.

Just ask her straight up if she ever wished she had a rich boyfriend. That should get the convo going.

**HollywoodGuy** · 12-23-13 18:57

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Well, I'll be damned.

Dr Milrod is a sex therapist. Checking out her site after HG's comment to see whether she was engaged in a total waste of time, I see she charges $180 per hour to fix sex problems.

She's also written multiple scholarly studies on 1 men who patronize prostitutes, 2 preferences of men who patronize internet sex sites, 3 "Emotion Management among the Clients of Escorts," 4 "The Internet Hobbyist," and other articles. This lady appears to be seriously studying our culture.

Probably because she isn't gettin any or she is tired of dating broke guys and is trying to figure how to get paid for what she is already giving away for free. Or maybe she just figures she will jump on the wealth re-distribution band wagon and take money from guys that have proven they like to spend it.

**Almsga62** · 12-23-13 18:20

Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money.

**Literal2** · 12-23-13 17:36

Well, I'll be damned.

Dr Milrod is a sex therapist. Checking out her site after HG's comment to see whether she was engaged in a total waste of time, I see she charges $180 per hour to fix sex problems.

She's also written multiple scholarly studies on 1 men who patronize prostitutes, 2 preferences of men who patronize internet sex sites, 3 "Emotion Management among the Clients of Escorts," 4 "The Internet Hobbyist," and other articles. This lady appears to be seriously studying our culture.

**Dsprdo** · 12-23-13 17:16

I started reading this thread in February of this year and was immediately hooked. I began to explore a couple of the SD sites and sent out notes in earnest in April. I've learned a ton through the combined wisdom of the brothers on here and felt it was time to look back and recap. I didn't keep records of how many initial letters I sent out but I'm sure it ran into the hundreds. I estimate I went on about 25 M&G's since May. Of those 25,11 have wound up with POF; another five were willing but after I met them in person I elected not to move forward. Of the 10 or so that I met with that I didn't succeed in bedding, it was a mixed bag. Over half of them decided not to go forward for reasons other than sugar amount. In some cases I would say that they got cold feet, and decided that they just weren't ready to take the plunge. This seemed to be the case with several girls that I would say were absolutely new to the idea of a sugar relationship. In other cases it was due to either a lack of attraction to me or shortcomings in my closing game; as I've seen them subsequently active on SA. The rest boiled down to dollars. I decided early on that I would try and stick to HG's program of $ per visit; and have been generally successful. My first couple of girls were one and done; one by my choice and one by hers (we had not discussed sugar, she refused to tell me what she was thinking, so I gave her $ and when I contacted her again she said she really needed $ I had one girl for a couple of months at $.5 a visit, and one at $$ per week, and my current regular is 500 per month. Of the 11, I am still seeing two. Of the nine that aren't around anymore, only one broke off with me. I haven't had any real drama from any of the girls, and most have been to my house. All in all it has been a great year.

The $ a visit allowance isn't always a success. In the last couple of weeks I have had M&G's with two girls set up who had agreed to $, only to have them flake on me. I think both of them were more UTR types supplementing the budget for the holidays who may have gotten a better offer.

I came very close to throwing the budget to the winds this week. I met a 21 year old blond, green-eyed spinner who said she was absolutely new to the bowl. She works as a bartender, had moved here from out of state, has her own apartment with no roommates. I was captivated by her. We met a second time to go over expectations and get the money talk out of the way. She agreed to everything I put on the table, and lightly traced her nails on the back of my hand as we talked. I asked her what she felt she needed as far as financial help, and she wouldn't say. I offered $$ per week, which would cover her rent, and without hesitation she refused. I asked again what she had in mind since she was so quick to reject my offer and she still said she didn't know. We were pressed for time, so I had to leave and told her that I would be in touch the next day and would think about the finances. She gave me a terrific kiss and walked me to the door. On the drive home she texted me and said she had canceled her plans for the next day so that we could get together-and oh, by the way, could I have her allowance for her then. That night I thought long and hard about upping the ante, even if it meant cutting my current regular loose, because I REALLY wanted this girl. Eventually, blood returned to my brain and I began to think of the anomalies. On our very first scheduled M&G, she flaked without a call or a text. I had overlooked it when she apologized the next day, but it called into question her reliability. We had the financial discussion at her apartment, which was very nice and nicely furnished. I had taken that as a good sign, but now began to wonder how she afforded it, based on the back story and what I knew of her job. Finally there was the matter of the allowance. I had said "per week" and she kept coming back with "per month", and still hadn't given me an idea of what she wanted. Basically I was about to start bidding against myself, throwing numbers out there until she heard one she liked, and she was expecting a month's worth up front. She sent me another nice text that evening, saying she was looking forward to the next day. I responded that I was thinking things through and would be in touch. The next morning, with a clear head, I told her that I would not be able to meet her needs and wished her well. She fired back a couple of snarky comments, that I politely deflected, then she ended our conversation pleasantly. She was the prototype of what I am looking for if everything she said had turned out to be true, but I think I made the right choice. I am sure I will continue second-guessing myself for a while.

**HollywoodGuy** · 12-23-13 16:33

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

With a reminder to myself and all other mongers that the world of anonymous sex forums is seldom as it appears, I am passing along an interesting PM I received.

I am taking the liberty of sending you a link to a survey of baby boomer hobbyists aged 60+ being conducted by Dr. Christine Milrod. She is a legitimate sex counselor and researcher. I included her website and email in this PM. She's conducting a serious, completely anonymous, study of mature hobbyists because it's not been studied before and the bulk of past research is limited to street prostitutes. ********** about 20 minutes with about 100 questions. Personally I thought it was very interesting. You can contact *** Dr. Milrod directly, if you have any questions.

Here is the link: https://www.psychdata.com/s.asp?SID=157878

Christine Milrod, PhD, LMFT, AASECT
info@sexandlifecoaching.com
www.sexandlifecoaching.com

I know nothing about this survey and haven't decided whether I will participate or not. Mainly I'm too paranoid. However, I wish somebody would study the true components of normal male sexual happiness, mature and otherwise. There is so much political bullshit about what's normal and natural and what's not. I read in the news that Utah is about to legislate approval of gay marriage; this in a state which was universally condemned for legal polygamy for decades. Excuse me? Gay sex is ok and natural but polygamy isn't?

I was initially attracted to usasg because its members routinely referred to the USA as sex prison, a term I wholeheartedly agree with. Maybe if there is more serious research demonstrating that it is normal for men to find happiness by having sex with multiple women, our country will become more tolerant of our practice and the bars of the prison, such as draconian divorce laws and public humiliation for infidelity, will disintegrate.

I don't think old men are much different from young men in their fantasies and desires. There is for many of us a wonderful crossover point in life when our attractive bodies and potency have faded but our bank accounts have swelled and we find that fucking multiple young women without complications has become much easier than it ever was when we were young, and the advent of sugarbaby websites has made it even easier.

Worlwide everyone knows that men having multiple partners is totally normal as is practiced routinely in many many countries and is legal. In the bible all the powers that be including Abraham (demanded by G*d) and Noah had more than one partner (King David was reported to have 1000 consorts). Even in the puritanical US of A all men of means are expected to have more than one woman if for no other reason than to assert their alpha status. Although I am sure that is just an extra on top of the real reason. And lets not even talk about the legal age of marriage in some countries (12 to 16).

Studying this topic is a total waste of time. IMHO.

**HollywoodGuy** · 12-23-13 16:26

Originally Posted by RobTaylor [View Original Post]

Got back on SA, and was able to land a 19 yr old with no meet and greet. She came to my house (rented apartment I got on my Airbnb account under a fake name).

Because even though I'm single I want to hide my identity initially. We talk for a bit exchanged about less then 20 text back and forth. She complained her last sugar daddy was cheap only 100 bucks and dinner every time they met, and the other sugar daddy that gave her 400 per meet only hooked up with her once. 100 bucks is pretty cheap for my local market. She came to the apartment, she was a little bigger than her pics, but I don't mind thick girls with some booty. We talked for about an hour. She is pretty smart and seems pretty normal, her grand parents are actually millionaires from a law suit. She has a good family and actually had to cancel our first get together because of a family get together. Cool with her mom, but had some daddy issues, because her dad gave up on her when she went through a rebel phase. She seemed pretty normal and not give off any P.S.ycho alert that I look for in sugar babies. She doesn't tell any of her friends about this, another sign she is normal.

She only has one friend that she tell about this, and she is a topless waitress in California, that and the fact she had a p4 p one night stand with a sd are the only warning signs I saw that concerned me, also the fact that she came to my house without a meet and greet seemed UTRish, but I'm close to her age and she claims that I was the only SD she didn't meet in public first. She was also expecting the one night stand with the SD to turn into an ongoing thing he just never called her again.

Enough with her P.S.ychological profilelshe Philipino 5'4 with a nice round ass. Oral was ok I popped twice and she seemed to have fun as well. Right now she is on booty call SB status. I will see her again, but I think there maybe better deals to be had, but the fact that she is pretty normal and attractive are major plus's. I will continue to explore trying to get 1 to 2 quality SB's as far as looks and not being P.S.ycho into rotation for the winter season. Not a bad re entry into the bowl considered that I didn't have to do a meet and greet first and the texting was minimal.

You never did state what you paid her. Add in the room cost and any other cost and it might be a bit pricey. If you still want to continue with her, make her do every sexual move you ever wanted out of a girl. And for as long as you want. No excuses. Or back her down to $ a meet.

**Literal2** · 12-23-13 15:58

With a reminder to myself and all other mongers that the world of anonymous sex forums is seldom as it appears, I am passing along an interesting PM I received.

I am taking the liberty of sending you a link to a survey of baby boomer hobbyists aged 60+ being conducted by Dr. Christine Milrod. She is a legitimate sex counselor and researcher. I included her website and email in this PM. She's conducting a serious, completely anonymous, study of mature hobbyists because it's not been studied before and the bulk of past research is limited to street prostitutes. ********** about 20 minutes with about 100 questions. Personally I thought it was very interesting. You can contact *** Dr. Milrod directly, if you have any questions.

Here is the link: https://www.psychdata.com/s.asp?SID=157878

Christine Milrod, PhD, LMFT, AASECT
info@sexandlifecoaching.com
www.sexandlifecoaching.com

I know nothing about this survey and haven't decided whether I will participate or not. Mainly I'm too paranoid. However, I wish somebody would study the true components of normal male sexual happiness, mature and otherwise. There is so much political bullshit about what's normal and natural and what's not. I read in the news that Utah is about to legislate approval of gay marriage; this in a state which was universally condemned for legal polygamy for decades. Excuse me? Gay sex is ok and natural but polygamy isn't?

I was initially attracted to usasg because its members routinely referred to the USA as sex prison, a term I wholeheartedly agree with. Maybe if there is more serious research demonstrating that it is normal for men to find happiness by having sex with multiple women, our country will become more tolerant of our practice and the bars of the prison, such as draconian divorce laws and public humiliation for infidelity, will disintegrate.

I don't think old men are much different from young men in their fantasies and desires. There is for many of us a wonderful crossover point in life when our attractive bodies and potency have faded but our bank accounts have swelled and we find that fucking multiple young women without complications has become much easier than it ever was when we were young, and the advent of sugarbaby websites has made it even easier.