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12-17-13 19:56 #5280Senior Member

Posts: 137...but they sucked me back in!
Yeah, I'm feeling a little of that pain. My SB is still a total sweetheart, and while it's been difficult to make our schedules align, our "hangout" sessions are stellar. But there's been enough drama recently that I've begun to ponder where my exit-stage-left threshold is. As drama goes, I figure there's a lot worse-this is mostly school stress compounded on top of PCSD (post-childhood stress disorder), with a healthy dollop of the lack of perspective that comes with youthful inexperience.
Originally Posted by KrustyDawg7
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But there comes a point where I'm out of emotional energy. And I'm in this game partially to offset all the stress and drama I get on the homefront, I don't need to add to that pile. Yet, as you say, easy to get into, harder to get out. We'll see how it goes, I'm enjoying the ride while it lasts.
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12-17-13 18:57 #5279Senior Member

Posts: 313Other Sites Update
Guys thanks for the info on AM and CL and some of the other lesser sites. So here is what I have found for me.
My goal is to try to find something that is a little less expensive than what I currently have with the SD sites. The idea or the question is. Is there really a way to hookup without the expectation of having to pay. And what is the way to that? Is it really possible and if so how would it be done? So far the results are mixed. And there will be more to come. Besides I have had three babies in the past that were no pay babies from SDforme. One was fat and a good fuck, so I bailed after one time, one was too fat and I could not make myself fuck her if she was the last woman on earth. And the third was my Brazilian baby and she was awesome. Lasted about four months and holds the worlds record for the bust blowjob I have ever had. Maybe I could find another?
1. AM is a tough tough site compared to the other ones. Most of the women do not have pics with their profiles and do not send them when requested. In fact they do not respond at all most of the time. Like the other more experienced brothers on here have said. They are probably looking for mister perfect before they even bother cheating. And I am talking they are not the least bit polite about it. And the descriptions do not look good either. Even if they are pretty. Most are 40 ish and average around 5'4" and weigh around 150 lbs. And that is by their admission. So that means that they probably weigh more. Now I am 5'9" and weigh 175 and I am not a small guy. But they are creeping up on me on my size. Not really good prospects. I will not renew this but I will try some of the other techniques some of the brothers recommended.
2. About the time that I started this strange quest. I got a flood of interest off of the last days of my SDFORme profile. Unsolicited. I got 12 contacts. Two I would not even respond two since they looked too GPS or professional. I responded to 10, got in actual conversation with 7. Set up M&G with 5. And met 3 with two that I backed out of because too busy. And another that just popped up yesterday and will meet tonight. Of the 3 I met, two literally backed out at the M&G both had agreed to the FC on the first date but one did not like the 150 and stuck me with the hotel. She was not that great but was demanding 300 she was about a 7/7/6/? . The other agreed to the FC and then after I booked the hotel. We were sitting at a Chilies bar. She went to the bathroom and then snuck out the back door. This was a first. This is amazing since she was very receptive all of the time. There had never been one indication of negative feelings. She said many very nice things about me. Had been on the site off and on for three years. Who knows what happened? LOL.
And I fucked one today at her house. She is 49 YO the oldest woman I ever fucked. Not bad looking but not great. Hell she is 49. LOL Good fuck really cool a lot of fun. But talks way too much and said she was not interested in money. But when I did not leave any sugar she text-ed me later she was very interested in the sugar all of a sudden. She is broke. I give her a 5/5/8/8 . But she is not what I was looking for. Not going to pay her. I can pay younger much prettier women.
3. Tried Arrangement finders and found a some flakes and one that agreed to meet tonight and is not looking for anything but a respectable man to date in her busy schedule and not really after the money. So we are going to meet in about an hour. Lets see what happens shall we.
4. CL. No luck here. Worked on a good ad. But every time I posted it on Relationships women seeking men, it would say it posted and I could never find it. And then about an hour later it would get flagged. I never mentioned SD or SB or pay for play. Maybe the wrong section? I don't know. Any ideas guys? I started getting the flood of POTs and so I gave up.
5. Also I am trying Social Sex. You know the one with the logo of the two little birds fucking. Figured no one is on this site for regular dating and it is really big. If half the people on here are real then there are a lot of horny women out there looking for some dick and are not asking for money. Supposedly they have 16 million members worldwide! I got a few emails asking for pics. And one from a really hot. 29 YO doctor asking to meet? I don't know but she seems real. Anyone have much experience with this site? Or am I the pioneer? If you have any G2 PM so I can figure it out. The doctor seems to be nibbling and has sent me a request to meet. But she is not giving details yet. I am too busy to go on a date right now anyway. But I can tell you she is close to a 10, and if she is real, oh la la it could be the strike of a lifetime. Not holding my breath here.
6. Finally on the old school SD front. I met a really really really hot 24 YO white baby. She is absolutely gorgeous. Kind of like an Italian looking Penelope Cruz. Tall thin big fake boobs. In college and close to graduating. I give her a 10/9/9/8. Really really cool, fun sexy, sensual, and has told me personally that she wants to learn to give the best blow-jobs ever. Well since I have had the best I know a thing or two about what is a good blowjob. So we meet and she is ready for the FC on the first date. We get a bottle of wine and retire to the hotel. She is very free and easy with her nudity but not her body at first. In no time i am taking photos with my phone and she is posing and giddy with excitement. she even gives me her phone to take more nude shots. We spent quite a bit of time just talking playing and kissing, she is a great kisser and until we got down to it and she love my dick. She had a previous wealthy SD who by her description was insane. Stalker kind of guy. I have heard about this quite a bit from the hot SB's. So she seemed to be genuinely surprised to be with someone who was kind of normal. I cannot tell you how many good things she said about me and how much she appeared to really be into me and turned on by me. We fucked hard and she has a good start on the good blowjob technique. She wanted to see me again soon and she was in a parade the next day for winning a pageant. Nice bonafides. So she could not see me for a couple of days. And after we left she was super pleased and surprised that I gave her 200. In fact she tackled me and pushed me down on the bed for one final make out session before leaving. Now let me tell you guys a lot of these girls ask for a lot of money and are completely not worth it. This chick is. This is quality. Oh and she is the one telling me that she wants to spend quality time with me and not rush it. I think I am in heaven.
Then after she leaves we text a little bit and she goes dark the next day? I tried for several days to get back with her and just could not. Finally I gave up and sadly wrote her off. Then today all of a sudden she pops back up and tells me she had major phone problems. And wants to see me. Well maybe she did maybe she didn't. But hey who am I to deprive her of my cock and a few dollars. Remember my theory on "hot chicks"? She is very very hot. But not really an official blood sucking soul crushing succubus that is the "hot chick". So onward we go. I will see her tomorrow and postpone on a flakey POT.
There have been some massive stumbles along the way. But my fingers are getting tired from typing and playing with pussy today. LOL And I have to get ready for my date.
I will keep writing and hopefully some of you brothers will also.
Lets be careful out there.
Revvo.Last edited by Revvo; 12-17-13 at 19:36. Reason: Correct content
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12-17-13 18:47 #5278Senior Member

Posts: 184Recent results
Reporting here on two M&G in the past week. Both POTs early 30's from SA. Both had nice personalities but not appealing to me for one reason or another. One was quite chunky, much more than I like, and other a combination of bad teeth, smoker, and lousy schedule that would never match with mine. I gave her a little Christmas cash for her kids since I knew she was hard-up. Sorry to say that I am very picky about who I would want to take to the FC. I still have on tap an older gal who was looking for "substantial" support but backed down to "occasional / negotiable" since that would be all I could do since there is distance involved. Hope to M&G in a few days there.
I am no longer deterred by POT saying they want a big $$ arrangement. Those sorts of SD are few and far between, so there's hope for us 50's guys with some loose change in our pockets. Still keeping up with my regular SB who is a sweetie and we have been keeping that going for several months. Not ready to give her up, but one thing I am finding is that some of these things are easy to get into and much harder to get out of. I try not to be and SOB if time comes to go separate ways but it's difficult. I also am getting more good leads off my SA profile and think times are still hard for many, and a good SD is nice thing for these girls to have... Girls like to shop. The eternal truth!
Krusty.
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12-17-13 00:33 #5277Senior Member

Posts: 5591I only show G rated pics. And always emphasize that there will be no intercourse or oral on a first date (knowing there will be on over half of them anyway). It just keeps you from looking like all the other desperate guys out there.
Originally Posted by BikeRider
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Although I do also emphasize that I need kissing with a HE if they wanna get paid. Otherwise its a civi date to say hi. Their choice. 50% take the FS, 25% take the HE, 25% take the civi date. These are round numbers.
All my current regulars opted for the FS on the first date.
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12-16-13 12:04 #5276Senior Member

Posts: 319I've posted a few things about AM in the past. I've had pretty good luck over the years (hard to count but more than a handful), but it is becoming more difficult with my increasing years.
Originally Posted by Revvo
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I recently surveyed the AM women I've met (and I'm still in contact with) about their experience on AM, and why me. The results are interesting. Honestly, it seems luck and timing are pretty much the biggest factors. Catch them early and at the right time. Hollywood emphasizes this on the SD sites. There were two other interesting common comments. The first is I don't have any X rated or even PG pics in my profile. They're all g-rated. All of the women said they didn't want to see shirtless, or X rated pics to start. The second comment was that I could speak to them about a variety of subjects besides sex. Several complained that guys would just push to meet or talk about sex.
The long and short of it is act civil and relaxed. Don't be that desperate guy women want to avoid.
Also, I've met at least two women from AM that originally rejected me. I simply replied to them thanking them for their time, and wished them luck in their search. Both replied back that guys usually send them nasty notes after rejection, and since I was nice they were would like to get to know me.
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12-16-13 11:50 #5275Senior Member

Posts: 319It's a bit forward, but why don't you drop her an email at her site and ask if she's going to be teaching at your studio again? If she says, no then you can schedule a private without the NORAD alert. If she says yes, then you can see about a coffee after the class.
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No risk. No reward. From your posts, she seems worth giving it a shot.
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12-15-13 11:19 #5274Senior Member

Posts: 5591Last 5 Days
10-Dec Did a M & G with a 25 year old pretty AA girl. Maybe a 8/8.5/9/?. She was 5'5' and 120 lbs. Took her to dinner. Going to see her Friday for a real date at my place. X reality TV show participant. Has a good job and goes to school. Owns a decent car and lives only minutes away. Good personality. She thought it was sexy that I have a few regulars. It got her to thinking there must be a reason. I think we hit it off pretty good.
11-Dec Had a minor groin pull from the prior weeks activities. No sex yesterday or today. Skipping going to the strip club private Christmas party tonite to help speed up recovery. Also my girlfriend is worried that the other strippers will try to go to town on me (even sans tipping) to ruin my boyfriend reputation so they can all gossip about it later. As boyfriends are not even allowed in the club (management rules) it is kind of a big deal just to officially be on the guest list, as it is a once a year invitation only party for the regulars. So I can kill 2 birds with one stone (and save a bundle, because I would still have to pay for the dances) by just staying home. The girl I did the M & G with yesterday emailed me today to tell me she changed her mind about seeing me again. She said my kissing addiction was a deal breaker as she does not like kissing. Had another POT tell me today we needed to set a date even though she flaked on the first one. I'll give her another chance because she is 20, a student, and works 2 jobs and has that exotic baby doll look I can't resist. More on her after the date.
12-Dec Day 3 of my recovery. Hope it all goes well as I have a roommate date at 9 pm. And set up a M & G for Friday with the afore mentioned girl that flaked, that may or may not go to the FC. But if the chemistry is there she says she is willing. She gets a twenty to show up as it is an 80 mile RT drive for her to see me and $ if we proceed south of the border. She is a 20 year old 8/8/9/? so far. Mixed exotic looking black / mexican? As a side note, I have been off my daily low dose of vitamin C for 3 days and I still can't seem to stop getting spontaneous erections. A quality problem for sure. Roommate date went as per usual. Sweet and Sexy.
13-Dec Met with the exotic 20 year old student at my home at 4:30. She turned out to be a 9/7/9/9. She was 5'5' and about 150 lbs but with the face of an angel. She was much prettier than her pics and thick in all the right places (as they like to say). Black / mexican / pinay mix with naturally soft hair and beautiful soft skin with a nice even tone. We wasted about 5 minutes before getting right to the kissing and cuddling on the sofa. This led to some pretty hot fucking and sucking. Two hours later we took a break so I could pick up my roommate from the nail salon where I had dropped her off minutes before the other girls arrival. So I drove with the date to the salon, picked up my roommate, came back to the house and hit it for another 45 minutes. She loved to suck and would have gone on for another hour if I let her. Exhausted I went to bed at 9 pm and woke up at 8 Saturday morning. I guess she was a deep undercover UTR girl as her skills, calm demeanor and willingness to comply were all just TGTBT. She is definitely an awesome booty call girl worth repeating. Total damage was $. The double pierced tongue (pictured) was a new one for me.
14-Dec Taking my roommate to the hair salon at 1. No other plans for today other than to work. Lots of activity on the SD site. Must be the holidays. Girls needing money for gifts. I always use my downtime to catch up on my prospects.
15-Dec I see I have 8 hot UTR girls (all 19 to 22) on my spreadsheet that have all agreed to my $ offer that I never even followed up on, as I am trying to avoid the obvious pros. The non pro search continues. Looking forward to my roommate date tonight. I only have a couple interesting POTS at this time. Lets see if any of them pull through.
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12-15-13 09:10 #5273Senior Member

Posts: 108Another CL Opinion
I have to agree with the overall CL feedback I have read so far. I do occasionally post an add there just to see what I can find. I always seem to get a few legit responses, but the overall lower quality and higher risks haven't been worth the effort. About a year ago I was seeing an AA MILF for a month or so that responded to one of my adds. She was OK, price was right, but drama was pretty high. Finally ended it when she told me her lights were cut off and got mad when I wouldn't foot the bill to pay her bill. Recently had another hit from an add that I had given up on a month earlier. She is a 30 something WF, a couple of kids, needed help with expenses. I met her once and it was just OK. She turned out to be a 5-6 in looks and rushed me through a visit way too fast for my tastes.
Originally Posted by Dsprdo
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I just have never found that diamond in the rough on that site that we all seem to be looking for. By far, SA has been the best overall source for me.
Alias.
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12-13-13 18:55 #5272Senior Member

Posts: 754The Big Easy is truly an addiction!
Ah, Travelin, my brother, I hear you.
Originally Posted by TravelinSD
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There is something about Nola that, when it hits you, it hits hard. In thinking about it since I met my baby down there, I think it is the underlying but all-pervasive sense of hedonism that spreads across the entire city. Down there, life is not just meant to be lived, but to be enjoyed to its fullest, every minute of every day.
Your baby sounds fantastic, and is exactly my fantasy type, which would surprise you if you would ever see what I look like. Picture a nerdy, 56 yo Ferris Beuhler, but with half his game at best, and you are close. But I just love those crazy, artsy, hippy babies, and thankfully they seem to love me back. I wonder if yours is someone I might have contacted on my first trip down there. Once I met My Infatuation, I passed on all others, so don't worry about me poaching your claim LOL!
Should we ever find outselves in the Crescent City at the same time, too many beers are an absolute must!
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12-13-13 17:02 #5271Senior Member

Posts: 348I went through a couple of weeks farming CL pretty heavily. Met with 2 women that were definitely UTR girls, neither as attractive as the pics they sent. One was pretty good in bed, but they were both one time deals, I think. Right when I was ready to quit I came across a 18 year old that actually sounds like she could be SB material, and the pics are of a cute spinner. She told me she had dumper a SD because he got crazy and cheap-they had some kind of submissive thing going on that apparently went too far for her. I am still texting with her trying to set up a M&G, we'll see what happens. Other than that I'm back to SA.
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12-13-13 16:47 #5270Senior Member

Posts: 5591I have been hitting CL hard. I do get some responses from legitimate non pros, pros and UTR's. But most of them have not been cute enough to follow through on, or they were too expensive. I missed out on a couple winners (true non pros) cuz I was too busy with other girls. So I am continuing to work it for now. Tons of spam replies, but they don't bother me, I just delete them.
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12-13-13 16:03 #5269Senior Member

Posts: 168My SD Life
I guess it's about time I post about my life in the bowl thus far. Here's the Reader's Digest version of my past: I started in the escort world for about 25 years, about 3 yrs ago one of my ATFs left escorting and turned into my SB. That was great for a year until my wife found out. Within a month both my wife and the SB were gone. I've been in the open bowl for about 2 yrs now using both SA and SD4M as my main sources. I found this forum about 6 months into my quest and it has been a wealth of knowledge. Like most that have been at this for any length of time I've run the gamut from wonderful, sweet ladies, to UTR ladies, to crazy bitches, to outright scam artists. I've learned a lot, but am still gullible at times to the "damsel in distress". I'm working on that last one and think I have it out of my system, LOL.
Here are a few of my "old ladies" they range in age from 26-30:
FriendBaby, 26 – This is by far my longest. We've been seeing each other for around 18 months. We're actually more friends than SD / SB, I guess you'd call it FWB. We text or talk a few times a week, but rarely hook up anymore. When we do we have a great time though. She really doesn't expect sugar anymore, but I usually give her some anyway. She's a single mom with 2 kids and going to college.
MSBaby, 29 – This is my strangest one. You really can't call her an SB even though we met off of SA. She's the resourceful one that used my email address to find my original posts on here (I stupidly used a derivative of my email as my name here, duh! Here's the thing. She's absolutely gorgeous! Her face is a 10 in anyone's book, with a 9 body. Smart as hell and one of the most sexual women I've ever met. Here's the problem, we only have sporadic periods of seeing each other, but text each other a few times a week. There's lots of baggage here. She's in an "open" marriage, with a kid, has a major eventually debilitating disease. MS and runs her own business. Add to that she's a total narcissist. But, I'm REALLY attracted to her somehow. Anyway, the price is right. Free. So I deal with all the rest for the occasional fireworks show.
HippyBaby, 30 – There must be something in the water in New Orleans. I know Scotty was smitten with an SB from there and the same thing happened to me back in Feb. I was there on business and put out some requests and she responded. We met and there was immediate chemistry. She's a native of NO so knew some great hole-in-the-wall restaurants. We saw each other two times during my trip ending up back in my room for an evening of fun both times. I've gone back to NO to see her, she's been to ATL to see me and we've met once in Portland, OR and in San Diego on recent business trips. She spends half the year in Northern CA helping with the "harvest". She is a total van driving, sometimes van living, free-spirit hippie type. She's definitely a departure from my conservative nature, which is probably why I enjoy her so much. She occasionally asks for help with her cell or storage bill, but aside from that is happy with whatever sugar I give her.
These 3 really cost me very little, so last summer I began the search for my unicorn. A mature, hot 18-21 year old, that I could turn into a long-term baby. I'll report my success in that arena in a future post.
Happy Hunting,
Travelin.Last edited by TravelinSD; 12-13-13 at 16:05. Reason: typos
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12-13-13 15:45 #5268Senior Member

Posts: 168Af
I've also tried AF as well. Like SA and SB4 M, it depends on your area and which sites the ladies use. Here in Atlanta there's a fair number of ladies on it and I got a fair number of hits. Nothing lasting though.
Travelin.
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12-13-13 15:37 #5267Senior Member

Posts: 313Ashley Madison Success? Are you sure?
I have tried Ashley Madison and my luck has been the same as Fred's and Scott's. Terrible. Thanks for the input guys. And this is coming from two very experienced mongers. Feedback from Tigg was the same by the way. I am not going to tell you how many credits I spent but it was a lot and all I got to show for it was a lot of how should I put this politely. Stuck up 40 YO's with no photo and not personality. Now I am patient. I am willing to spend money. I am a Sugar Daddy that has spent plenty. Too much in fact. I have a good profile and I have some game.
Originally Posted by VirginiaGuy
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What did I get for it? A few very tepid responses. Two SB's that wanted to hookup for money. Both were too far away. By the way the SB's told me that my profile was perfect, and too good to be true. And their comments were unsolicited. And then there was one actual hookup that really wanted to meet. But she had no personality either and when she did send a photo. Well lets just say I wouldn't fuck her with your dick. LOL A 4 at the most.
And I am not picky. I realize these are mostly married women and I accounted for the few extra pounds and years. But they act as if they are in the sweepstakes of a lifetime. Anyway I believe the ratio is way out of whack. Someone told me that its around 60% men to 40% women. If that is the case. Heaven help the man who has worked this system. Just for comparison the ratio on SD4 Me is around 90% women to 10% men.
Now Virginia Guy you say that you have had success. That is awesome. Give us details. Let us in on your secrets. Don't have to show the profile. But we are here to learn from each other. I have shared countless anecdotes and lessons over the past year. You could write a book on what I have contributed here. Please fill us in.
Be careful out there. And stay away from Ashley Madison unless you just want to spend money to get ignored.
Revvo.
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12-13-13 15:35 #5266Senior Member

Posts: 168Am
I wrote an extensive post about AM a few months ago. My findings were: unless you're under 50, preferably under 40 and pretty attractive it's a tough road. It really is the ladies game there. They're picky because a. They can be. And b. If they're going to risk their marriage they want it to be with the perfect fantasy. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I just didn't find it cost effective to keep spending money on credits to search for them. Add to that, if you read the fine print, they admit to using fake profiles for "entertainment" value, plus keep charging you a monthly maintenance fee until you call to cancel it.
Just my opinion.
Travelin.
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