"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Revvo]

I have my LT baby my little girl next door and I have not heard from her for a week. I texted and called and no answer. Then all of a sudden today she emails me telling me that she misses me and is worried that something is wrong with me. Now my first inclination is she is up to something. But she has always been straight with me. Then I think maybe there really is a technical issue. She did attempt phone calls and I was able to call and talk with her after the email.

She seemed to be perfectly normal and even asked to meet today. Which I couldn't. Then I did remember she got upgraded from iPhone 4 to a 5. And I use googlevoice. Has anyone seen any issues with this? They do not show up on my phone or my online app.

Anyone have any ideas? Is there a compatibility issue with iPhones and googlevoice?

Thanks,

Revvo.

[AllSeasonLv]

Thank you to the members of this forum who took the time to respond to my post about finding the elusive "unicorn". I'm out ahead of all your advice. My MILF SB and I are in full agreement about what qualifications we are looking for in the other female who will be sharing our bed. Also, she is the one actively looking. I totally agree with all of you that this should primarily be her call (but with mutual agreement on the final selection), otherwise she might have a negative feedback if it's someone that I have chosen. Plus, it's obvious that any POT unicorn is going to be far more comfortable being approached / contacted by the female of a couple looking for the FMF hookup.

We will keep on trying through the various avenues available and I will give the forum a full report when we have achieved success.

Happy hunting to all.

ASL.

[Showtime2020]

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome and the great advice. Here is what I have learned so far:

Showtime 2020/ Big Tigger.

- Based on your reviews I am assuming that we don't use the real name of the SB and instead give them codes is that correct? That is completely different on the escort forums.

Spitfire.

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I've only had one FC encounter thus far but here are a few things I've picked up from the forum.

1. I do not use their names on a forum because you never know if a lurker from in your city has his eyes on the same baby, he can use that info against you and take advantage of your hard work.

2. I have created a separate existence, you may not need this since you're single but for people in relationships this is essential.

3. I use an alias until I feel like I know the girl and then I only say my first name and do my best to never say my last name.

4. I have a separate email address that is on a totally different email site than my regulars, also the name is the same as my alias.

5. I do have a separate bank acct that I will use for all of my activities.

6. I have a burner phone, not google voice. This phone never enters my house and I shut it off at 7 pm everyday unless I have a planned activity. Even since you're single you should consider this anyway just in case you meet someone you don't want to talk to any more.

Sorry for being long winded but this far that's what I've gathered thus far. I've done my best to stay disciplined and not break my own rules.

[HollywoodGuy]

Looking at it this was puts you at a disadvantage. Never presume you can talk her into it. I don't want to!! Instead, OF COURSE sex is part of the deal. That's the definition of a SD / SB relationship!!

And there is is no girl that doesn't want it anyway. Just let them know "I am willing to pay (whatever) a visit for your time once we decide to start an arrangement (which could be the first date)." Feel free to plagiarize.

[J Martinez]

...When someone says they are not going to have sex, is that true or can they be talked into it. And yes I am going back and reading some of the older posts....

Looking at it this was puts you at a disadvantage. Never presume you can talk her into it. I don't want to!! Instead, OF COURSE sex is part of the deal. That's the definition of a SD / SB relationship!!

[HollywoodGuy]

MsLilMama has indicated that I can stop by and hit that whenever I like. I have settled in to $ per visit. Unfortunately I know she's not going to be too involved as she's very selfish in bed. But she has a great spinner body and makes great sounds.

Spinner body and makes great sounds. Sounds good to me. LOL.

[Ltnric]

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome and the great advice. Here is what I have learned so far:

Revvo.

- Yes I was getting a bad feeling about Felicity. The whole marriage / pimp is an issue for me and I feel like she is an escort so I think I will pass on this.

- Yes I will wait until we have gone out a few times before I bring her home. I guess I was just being a cheap bastard thinking the hotel would only add to the cost. But you guys are right better safe and spend a few more bucks than put my myself at risk.

Showtime 2020/ Big Tigger.

- Based on your reviews I am assuming that we don't use the real name of the SB and instead give them codes is that correct? That is completely different on the escort forums.

Spitfire.

- Good call on the definition of "dancing" I've got to change my mindset.

GolfCart.

- You are dead on, I already have a hard enough time understanding women in the real world so this SD / SB is even more confusing as hell!!

So far I have not had any M&G just confirmation from one potential to meet the week after Thanksgiving. I'll be more than happy to provide full report.

So far I have learned that there are women on here who want to get paid just to hang out with you. When someone says they are not going to have sex, is that true or can they be talked into it. And yes I am going back and reading some of the older posts.

Thanks guys and look forward to contributing to this fun, scary and exciting new hobby.

Stay Thirsty My Friends.

[BigTigger]

Ltnric, you've found one of the few places in the country devoted to the SB side of the hobby. This board is the authority. The others are pretenders.

Well said and welcome Ltnric!


Showtime..what area are you bowling in....yours sounds like some of mine in the DC/MD/VA area?

BigTigg

[BigTigger]

MsLilMama has indicated that I can stop by and hit that whenever I like. I have settled in to $ per visit. Unfortunately I know she's not going to be too involved as she's very selfish in bed. But she has a great spinner body and makes great sounds.

MsHipsNThighs has indicated the same. She "misses" me. We agreed on .80 per visit. She has all the skills, but her body is bigger than my preference, it's shapely, just big.

MsWhatABody has agreed to twice a week at $.25 per visit. But I'm not sure if I'm ready to make that commitment as she has her own place and I'll be wasting the money spent on the Tiggapad. Plus it would most likely be my entire budget. She was looking better when we met. So I'd move her face up to a 7.8. The body is still 10...wow!

MsSlimShorty (first time mentioned, 4'11, less than 100, short haircut) I tried to drop her as we've only chatted two to 3 times in the car. She basically said, she likes my personality and is fine being booty call friends. Works for me.

MsSlimCheerleader. Got sick on Thursday for our overnight date. She text sporadically, complaining of cramps / pains. Text me the next morning saying she was in the hospital. Then text me at 12 am on Friday night saying Hello,. At this point I do believe her. But only about 80%. It just seemed to be a big too convenient. We are supposed to meet again the Wed after Thanksgiving. Then again for Fri / Sat overnight. We'll see.

MsVanity- Is still on the list, but she's booty call only. I tried to get her out one night to just chat and get some drinks as she was on her period. She would not come out unless I persuaded her with money. So I said we'll wait until the period is over, LOL. So I had to move her down a rung as it's obvious she's not quite as relational as I like.

MsCelibate - Dumped me and thanked me for breaking her drought. I think I wasn't available enough and she didn't like the fact that I had a stable. She never said why and I never asked.

BigTigg.

[Golfcart]

Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Thanks everyone.

Ltnric, you've found one of the few places in the country devoted to the SB side of the hobby. This board is the authority. The others are pretenders. Welcome.

Very little was out there on SB-Hood. It was 2010 when Literal2 was in Richmond on business and participated in the Richmond board as most of us would do. That evening he started Thread: "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not? By making Post 1. He told the history of Post 1 in Post 3608 when others inquired. Lit's personality drew in others and the synergy caused this place to light up and become the place to learn about SB-Hood.

This didn't happen because we were so smart, we were not, we were feeling our way along with our fingers and making mistakes along with some success. This happened because we were self-reporting on ourselves so we learned from each other which encouraged others to learn also in trial and error and that explains the current 344 pages of what works and what does not work, why this board is so good and the information so valuable. For those willing to read, think and learn there's little left but success if the reader supplies the necessary patience. It really is that simple. Reading the full board is the only way for it to all sink in.

Left to our own instincts we will fail with women no matter how we meet them. Otherwise nobody would be here reading this. We think we're smart but we don't understand the female component of being a person. So Ltnric, read this board from cover to cover before taking another step. Recognize you're a danger to yourself until you do. Take notes of what you learn as you read and where you read it so you can revisit those threads keeping your notes current as you become smarter. It is well worth the effort. You'll be able to tell the good advice from the bad because we are all object lessons here for others. When you post your experiences you will be an object lesson for the rest of us. Just do your reading first. Good luck.

[FredMoore]

" Truth ".that is not what you will get but you might get a good SB.

She could be an escort as they all can, but you just have to get a feel for her as you move forward. Pay attention to her familiarity with the terms and be careful using escort language around her. If you have a real SB it's good to separate yourself from that world in her mind. Marriage can add that level of drama as it does for those of us who are married as well. Ask her if the SO knows about her side job. If he does then I would avoid her because your ID will become know to him as well. You are single so you don't have as much to fear from outing. Do not bring her home until you know her a while.

Re: Hotels I always low ball them and use the $50 / night ones. You are only spending a few hours there and you are not dealing with debutantes (are you?) Save your money for the fucking itself, not the FC. The girls don't seem to mind unless you are walking a gantlet between gang members to get to your room.

Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from SA.com and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.

[Spitfire]

- I told her I was looking for a SB who would like to go out on dates, dinners, movies.. And then willing to hang out at my place for GFE and she wrote back and said that "I'm comfortable with private dances, actually prefer " Again, felt like escorting.
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Be sure you both agree exactly what "private dances" mean. She may have an entirely different idea than you.

[HollywoodGuy]

So surprisingly, these two have been everything that they have promised to be. Except for not being 100% truthful about their age. They will be 20 in a few months, they were just stretching it. So all week, lots of texting and emails. They even sent a few pics. Nothing too outrageous. Unfortunately because I was running a little late from having a meeting with MsWhatABody (more on that later), I ended up getting caught in traffic. So they got to the hotel before I did. Again. I'm never late and twice with them I've been late.

They both are there looking cute, I've told them I like women in dresses and skirts looking girly. They definitely oblidged again, one in a cute mini-skirt and the other in a min-dress. The first thing I notice is they really are quite young and look it too. The second thing I notice is the sheer exuberance they have and how happy they both seem to see me. I'm starting to really believe it's not an act. There was even a slight mix-up as I was supposed to send some funds via GreenDot for gas in advance. I wasn't able to do that. She did have enough gas to get there and they drove without the GreenDot (2 hour drive).

We check in, get settled (two bedroom suite). We go out for dinner, movie and drinks / snacks. We got to the movie and were able to get decent seats. Before the movie was over, I had to switch to sit between them as one was feeling a little left out and voiced that. So I was there watching the movie rubbing on two legs...etc. This can be exciting and weird at times, trying to keep up with two. But I made it work.

Back in the room, things were great. We talked, I brought my BlueTooth speaker, they both stripped down to bra and panties (I got down to my underwear also) and gave me a create lap dance that included 2 to 3 songs. Best thing was, I did not have to tip, LOL.

From there lots of kissing, rubbing playing. Any time either other the two walked away, started deep french kissing the one that was on the couch. They both were sipping on Jack and Coke, I had wine. Eventually after rounds of playing, etc. Me and MsCaramel made our way to the room. MsChocolate went to their bedroom. Me and MsCaramel had a great time, she was very responsive to the oral, had multiple orgasms throughout sex and loads of energy. We tried multiple positions and eventually she settled in on reverse cowgirl. She must have stayed there for at least 15 minutes, just trying a variety of moves, asking for my guidance and seeing what worked. She had 2 to 3 orgasms up there. She was really working it out. Eventually after about an hour of going at it (pacing myself of course), I had m 1 big orgasm. Right as I was rolling over to lie on my back and exhale, she says "you can use your fingers too right". I could not believe she wanted more! Eventually, she layed beside me and caught her breath. At this point it was past 4 am. I feel dead asleep.

Next morning we get up and go downstairs for breakfast. It was a hasty dressing event as we were rushing to get there before the free breakfast was over (this saved me at least $30-$50). Back up stairs, more flirting and playing and eventually had another round with MsCaramel. It was good, but I kept it short since MsChocolate was wide awake, didn't want to rub it in too much (-pun intended, LOL). So as I was drying off after the shower, called in MsChocolate to my room. I reminded her of how sad she was that she could not show me her skills. So directed her to her knees and she worked the TiggaStick over for a good 5 to 7 minutes. That 19 year old girl can suck 4 Real! She also mentioned that next time (date#3), she wants her own personal time. So we'll not have a 3 some until date #4. We'll see. What will probably happen is she'll stay with me in my room during the evening and next morning, we'll have the 3 some. Either way it was interesting and not any jealousy. MsChocolate was even cool with us getting in round 2. They didn't mind me kissing one then kissing the other. They said the only rule is they don't want to taste the other person. So during the 3 some, I can go between the two, any way I please. This is when I'll get my pictures. The interactions in public have been cool. They both look so young, that most people don't give funny looks, they just assume that I'm taking my daughter and her friend out.

All in all, I'm still surprised, I feel very lucky and just going with the flow. Oh the biggest thing that surprises me, is that they have very little gift requirements.

Total Damage:

Cash Gift: .60 x2 = $120.

Gas: $60.

Room (2 Bedroom 3.5 Star hotel): $200.

Movie: $35.

Dinner: $80.

Alcohol and snacks: $30.

BigTigg (Bowling two strikes with two balls on two different lanes at same time).

Girls just want to have fun. Very informative. Thanks.

[Showtime2020]

Welcome to the brotherhood. And you are welcome. Read our exploits and trials with care. There is a lot of hard won and sometimes painful experience there. I think you are going to find that this is a exciting, thrilling, frustrating, scary, and addicting experience. I like to think of it kind of like hunting but like it used to be many years ago. We are out there with our wits, our experience, and yes our dollars as ammunition. Trying to secure that most elusive of all creatures. The amateur that is beautiful and sexy and fun.

Congratulations on your exploits so far. Sounds like you are making quick progress. When you say by the end of the week you've had 4 what do you mean? Do you mean you contacted 4, talked to them, met them or fucked them? There is a very big difference.

Send in some detailed reports for the brotherhood. This is a helluva lot easier when you report and express your adventures and get help from the brothers on here.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

Revvo, you're right it is fun as the start, but I can already see that it could be hard to juggle everyone's expectations. Back to the report, by the end of the week I had 4 M&G and went to the FC with 1. Here of the details of the roster to this point.

SB #1. Staxx. She is a keeper, immediately replied to my email and began discussing terms on Monday. She is 26, about 5'9, 150 lbs AA, I'd give her a 7/7/8/8. She's a working professional but needs help keeping up with expenses. On Tuesday we set up a M&G at a coffee shop near her office, she walks in with a nice looking business outfit and I'm blown away thinking there's no way I can afford what she needs. As we talk I learn that she's done this before and her previous SD moved away, she said he was giving her between $300 and $500 each visit. I was thinking that was too much until I proposed this scenario. We both have the ability to telework so on Friday I would spend the entire day working at her place and we would get to business when we took breaks. On Friday morning she texted me her address and I was there by 9:30, we were taking conference calls and in between we'd jump in bed. We did that all day taking breaks to check email. Her intent was to make sure I was satisfied, doing everything she could think of to please me. I left at 4 rested and relaxed. Total damage $300 and the ability to do this every time I want to telework.

POT #1. Junior .20 year old college student who goes to school about 100 miles away. She is 5'3, 135 lbs AA. She proposed a scenario where we would get together during her breaks from school. She also had a previous SD who was a Dr giving her $1500 per month. I was thinking hell no, so I channeled my inner vet and started with $100 per visit and we arrived $150 per visit and I would provide the FC. We've skyped and texted throughout the week and she's very interested in working this beginning next week when she's home for Thanksgiving break. I will report on how this one works out later.

POT #3. Boob .26 year old graduate student at a local university. She really wants this to work but she is not very cute as a matter of fact she's kinda ugly but has huge tits. I'm not a tit man but her's could just be big because she's kinda fat, I'd give her a 5 in the looks dept. I think she's about 5'5, 200 lbs AA. I offered her $100/ week with 2 visits per week and she said yes, she has roommates so can't host all the time. I'm thinking about giving it a shot just to see what she's willing to do. I was floored, I'm going to give her a shot week after next, with the holiday coming up she's going to have to wait until I have time.

POT #4. Nurse. Also 26, a nurse who just wants something different from a normal dating relationship. She is hot, a definite 8/9 in my book. She wants to take things slow, meet a few times before we go to the FC. She understands where this is going but just wants to be comfortable with me first. No biggie, I've got enough on my plate for now. She started at $300 per visit with me providing the FC, were at $200 now but I'm going to keep driving that number down a bit.

I've also negotiated with a few others but they are still a work in progress. The number of hits I got from SA has been phenominal, I only need a 30 day subscription but I think I'm building a decent roster.

Happy hunting fellas.

Showtime.

[Revvo]

Hi Revvo, I really appreciate the help. Let me give you a run down of what she has told me:

- She said she used to be a dancer and wanted to get out of dancing and decided that this was a good alternative. I read some where that "dancers" are usually just escorts to turn to being a SB.

- She asked me "What are you looking for and looking to provide for a SB? ".

- We started talking about the arrangement and she said we could do monthly or pay-per-play depending on what we were going to be doing and how often we were going to meet.

- I told her I was looking for a SB who would like to go out on dates, dinners, movies.. And then willing to hang out at my place for GFE and she wrote back and said that "I'm comfortable with private dances, actually prefer " Again, felt like escorting.

- We settled on a per visit fee. I was actually able to get something better than I could get with a traditional escort.

- Yes is very cute, she is 22, white and looks like she has reddish hair.

So we agreed to meet up after Thanksgiving. Thanks for the advice on keeping my identity a secrete. I do have a question. Where do you take your SB for a more intimate activity? Do you ever take her back to your place (that is assuming you live along).

Thanks everyone, I appreciate any and all help.

You have to go with your gut on the escort thing. Are you ok with that? You may I am not. Is that a feeling you are getting? It may be she is some type of escort or UTR. Go back and read some of the posts on security on here and what can happen when you don't protect yourself.

Also ask her point blank if she ever had a SD before? See not only what she says but how she says it.

As for coming to your house I would not do that. Single or married. Not unless I had developed a huge amount of trust. Get a hotel. I prefer getting a decent hotel. Not too cheap or crappy. I just feel more comfortable in it myself as well as the baby.

Like I always say. I am looking for a quality experience. All the way around.

Your instincts also may be right on the dancer thing. Many strip clubs are just thin veils for all kinds of sex play. Ask her what club she worked at and then look up the reviews and reports online. You can check at the ultimate strip club list. It has the best reviews. That will tell you what kind of strip club it is.

Remember strippers can be a handful sometimes. Lots of drama and drugs and money demands. Sometimes you may get lucky though.

Revvo.