"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Golfcart]

Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Thanks everyone.

Ltnric, you've found one of the few places in the country devoted to the SB side of the hobby. This board is the authority. The others are pretenders. Welcome.

Very little was out there on SB-Hood. It was 2010 when Literal2 was in Richmond on business and participated in the Richmond board as most of us would do. That evening he started Thread: "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not? By making Post 1. He told the history of Post 1 in Post 3608 when others inquired. Lit's personality drew in others and the synergy caused this place to light up and become the place to learn about SB-Hood.

This didn't happen because we were so smart, we were not, we were feeling our way along with our fingers and making mistakes along with some success. This happened because we were self-reporting on ourselves so we learned from each other which encouraged others to learn also in trial and error and that explains the current 344 pages of what works and what does not work, why this board is so good and the information so valuable. For those willing to read, think and learn there's little left but success if the reader supplies the necessary patience. It really is that simple. Reading the full board is the only way for it to all sink in.

Left to our own instincts we will fail with women no matter how we meet them. Otherwise nobody would be here reading this. We think we're smart but we don't understand the female component of being a person. So Ltnric, read this board from cover to cover before taking another step. Recognize you're a danger to yourself until you do. Take notes of what you learn as you read and where you read it so you can revisit those threads keeping your notes current as you become smarter. It is well worth the effort. You'll be able to tell the good advice from the bad because we are all object lessons here for others. When you post your experiences you will be an object lesson for the rest of us. Just do your reading first. Good luck.

[FredMoore]

" Truth ".that is not what you will get but you might get a good SB.

She could be an escort as they all can, but you just have to get a feel for her as you move forward. Pay attention to her familiarity with the terms and be careful using escort language around her. If you have a real SB it's good to separate yourself from that world in her mind. Marriage can add that level of drama as it does for those of us who are married as well. Ask her if the SO knows about her side job. If he does then I would avoid her because your ID will become know to him as well. You are single so you don't have as much to fear from outing. Do not bring her home until you know her a while.

Re: Hotels I always low ball them and use the $50 / night ones. You are only spending a few hours there and you are not dealing with debutantes (are you?) Save your money for the fucking itself, not the FC. The girls don't seem to mind unless you are walking a gantlet between gang members to get to your room.

Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from SA.com and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.

[Spitfire]

- I told her I was looking for a SB who would like to go out on dates, dinners, movies.. And then willing to hang out at my place for GFE and she wrote back and said that "I'm comfortable with private dances, actually prefer " Again, felt like escorting.
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Be sure you both agree exactly what "private dances" mean. She may have an entirely different idea than you.

[HollywoodGuy]

So surprisingly, these two have been everything that they have promised to be. Except for not being 100% truthful about their age. They will be 20 in a few months, they were just stretching it. So all week, lots of texting and emails. They even sent a few pics. Nothing too outrageous. Unfortunately because I was running a little late from having a meeting with MsWhatABody (more on that later), I ended up getting caught in traffic. So they got to the hotel before I did. Again. I'm never late and twice with them I've been late.

They both are there looking cute, I've told them I like women in dresses and skirts looking girly. They definitely oblidged again, one in a cute mini-skirt and the other in a min-dress. The first thing I notice is they really are quite young and look it too. The second thing I notice is the sheer exuberance they have and how happy they both seem to see me. I'm starting to really believe it's not an act. There was even a slight mix-up as I was supposed to send some funds via GreenDot for gas in advance. I wasn't able to do that. She did have enough gas to get there and they drove without the GreenDot (2 hour drive).

We check in, get settled (two bedroom suite). We go out for dinner, movie and drinks / snacks. We got to the movie and were able to get decent seats. Before the movie was over, I had to switch to sit between them as one was feeling a little left out and voiced that. So I was there watching the movie rubbing on two legs...etc. This can be exciting and weird at times, trying to keep up with two. But I made it work.

Back in the room, things were great. We talked, I brought my BlueTooth speaker, they both stripped down to bra and panties (I got down to my underwear also) and gave me a create lap dance that included 2 to 3 songs. Best thing was, I did not have to tip, LOL.

From there lots of kissing, rubbing playing. Any time either other the two walked away, started deep french kissing the one that was on the couch. They both were sipping on Jack and Coke, I had wine. Eventually after rounds of playing, etc. Me and MsCaramel made our way to the room. MsChocolate went to their bedroom. Me and MsCaramel had a great time, she was very responsive to the oral, had multiple orgasms throughout sex and loads of energy. We tried multiple positions and eventually she settled in on reverse cowgirl. She must have stayed there for at least 15 minutes, just trying a variety of moves, asking for my guidance and seeing what worked. She had 2 to 3 orgasms up there. She was really working it out. Eventually after about an hour of going at it (pacing myself of course), I had m 1 big orgasm. Right as I was rolling over to lie on my back and exhale, she says "you can use your fingers too right". I could not believe she wanted more! Eventually, she layed beside me and caught her breath. At this point it was past 4 am. I feel dead asleep.

Next morning we get up and go downstairs for breakfast. It was a hasty dressing event as we were rushing to get there before the free breakfast was over (this saved me at least $30-$50). Back up stairs, more flirting and playing and eventually had another round with MsCaramel. It was good, but I kept it short since MsChocolate was wide awake, didn't want to rub it in too much (-pun intended, LOL). So as I was drying off after the shower, called in MsChocolate to my room. I reminded her of how sad she was that she could not show me her skills. So directed her to her knees and she worked the TiggaStick over for a good 5 to 7 minutes. That 19 year old girl can suck 4 Real! She also mentioned that next time (date#3), she wants her own personal time. So we'll not have a 3 some until date #4. We'll see. What will probably happen is she'll stay with me in my room during the evening and next morning, we'll have the 3 some. Either way it was interesting and not any jealousy. MsChocolate was even cool with us getting in round 2. They didn't mind me kissing one then kissing the other. They said the only rule is they don't want to taste the other person. So during the 3 some, I can go between the two, any way I please. This is when I'll get my pictures. The interactions in public have been cool. They both look so young, that most people don't give funny looks, they just assume that I'm taking my daughter and her friend out.

All in all, I'm still surprised, I feel very lucky and just going with the flow. Oh the biggest thing that surprises me, is that they have very little gift requirements.

Total Damage:

Cash Gift: .60 x2 = $120.

Gas: $60.

Room (2 Bedroom 3.5 Star hotel): $200.

Movie: $35.

Dinner: $80.

Alcohol and snacks: $30.

BigTigg (Bowling two strikes with two balls on two different lanes at same time).

Girls just want to have fun. Very informative. Thanks.

[Showtime2020]

Welcome to the brotherhood. And you are welcome. Read our exploits and trials with care. There is a lot of hard won and sometimes painful experience there. I think you are going to find that this is a exciting, thrilling, frustrating, scary, and addicting experience. I like to think of it kind of like hunting but like it used to be many years ago. We are out there with our wits, our experience, and yes our dollars as ammunition. Trying to secure that most elusive of all creatures. The amateur that is beautiful and sexy and fun.

Congratulations on your exploits so far. Sounds like you are making quick progress. When you say by the end of the week you've had 4 what do you mean? Do you mean you contacted 4, talked to them, met them or fucked them? There is a very big difference.

Send in some detailed reports for the brotherhood. This is a helluva lot easier when you report and express your adventures and get help from the brothers on here.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

Revvo, you're right it is fun as the start, but I can already see that it could be hard to juggle everyone's expectations. Back to the report, by the end of the week I had 4 M&G and went to the FC with 1. Here of the details of the roster to this point.

SB #1. Staxx. She is a keeper, immediately replied to my email and began discussing terms on Monday. She is 26, about 5'9, 150 lbs AA, I'd give her a 7/7/8/8. She's a working professional but needs help keeping up with expenses. On Tuesday we set up a M&G at a coffee shop near her office, she walks in with a nice looking business outfit and I'm blown away thinking there's no way I can afford what she needs. As we talk I learn that she's done this before and her previous SD moved away, she said he was giving her between $300 and $500 each visit. I was thinking that was too much until I proposed this scenario. We both have the ability to telework so on Friday I would spend the entire day working at her place and we would get to business when we took breaks. On Friday morning she texted me her address and I was there by 9:30, we were taking conference calls and in between we'd jump in bed. We did that all day taking breaks to check email. Her intent was to make sure I was satisfied, doing everything she could think of to please me. I left at 4 rested and relaxed. Total damage $300 and the ability to do this every time I want to telework.

POT #1. Junior .20 year old college student who goes to school about 100 miles away. She is 5'3, 135 lbs AA. She proposed a scenario where we would get together during her breaks from school. She also had a previous SD who was a Dr giving her $1500 per month. I was thinking hell no, so I channeled my inner vet and started with $100 per visit and we arrived $150 per visit and I would provide the FC. We've skyped and texted throughout the week and she's very interested in working this beginning next week when she's home for Thanksgiving break. I will report on how this one works out later.

POT #3. Boob .26 year old graduate student at a local university. She really wants this to work but she is not very cute as a matter of fact she's kinda ugly but has huge tits. I'm not a tit man but her's could just be big because she's kinda fat, I'd give her a 5 in the looks dept. I think she's about 5'5, 200 lbs AA. I offered her $100/ week with 2 visits per week and she said yes, she has roommates so can't host all the time. I'm thinking about giving it a shot just to see what she's willing to do. I was floored, I'm going to give her a shot week after next, with the holiday coming up she's going to have to wait until I have time.

POT #4. Nurse. Also 26, a nurse who just wants something different from a normal dating relationship. She is hot, a definite 8/9 in my book. She wants to take things slow, meet a few times before we go to the FC. She understands where this is going but just wants to be comfortable with me first. No biggie, I've got enough on my plate for now. She started at $300 per visit with me providing the FC, were at $200 now but I'm going to keep driving that number down a bit.

I've also negotiated with a few others but they are still a work in progress. The number of hits I got from SA has been phenominal, I only need a 30 day subscription but I think I'm building a decent roster.

Happy hunting fellas.

Showtime.

[Revvo]

Hi Revvo, I really appreciate the help. Let me give you a run down of what she has told me:

- She said she used to be a dancer and wanted to get out of dancing and decided that this was a good alternative. I read some where that "dancers" are usually just escorts to turn to being a SB.

- She asked me "What are you looking for and looking to provide for a SB? ".

- We started talking about the arrangement and she said we could do monthly or pay-per-play depending on what we were going to be doing and how often we were going to meet.

- I told her I was looking for a SB who would like to go out on dates, dinners, movies.. And then willing to hang out at my place for GFE and she wrote back and said that "I'm comfortable with private dances, actually prefer " Again, felt like escorting.

- We settled on a per visit fee. I was actually able to get something better than I could get with a traditional escort.

- Yes is very cute, she is 22, white and looks like she has reddish hair.

So we agreed to meet up after Thanksgiving. Thanks for the advice on keeping my identity a secrete. I do have a question. Where do you take your SB for a more intimate activity? Do you ever take her back to your place (that is assuming you live along).

Thanks everyone, I appreciate any and all help.

You have to go with your gut on the escort thing. Are you ok with that? You may I am not. Is that a feeling you are getting? It may be she is some type of escort or UTR. Go back and read some of the posts on security on here and what can happen when you don't protect yourself.

Also ask her point blank if she ever had a SD before? See not only what she says but how she says it.

As for coming to your house I would not do that. Single or married. Not unless I had developed a huge amount of trust. Get a hotel. I prefer getting a decent hotel. Not too cheap or crappy. I just feel more comfortable in it myself as well as the baby.

Like I always say. I am looking for a quality experience. All the way around.

Your instincts also may be right on the dancer thing. Many strip clubs are just thin veils for all kinds of sex play. Ask her what club she worked at and then look up the reviews and reports online. You can check at the ultimate strip club list. It has the best reviews. That will tell you what kind of strip club it is.

Remember strippers can be a handful sometimes. Lots of drama and drugs and money demands. Sometimes you may get lucky though.

Revvo.

[BigTigger]

So surprisingly, these two have been everything that they have promised to be. Except for not being 100% truthful about their age. They will be 20 in a few months, they were just stretching it. So all week, lots of texting and emails. They even sent a few pics. Nothing too outrageous. Unfortunately because I was running a little late from having a meeting with MsWhatABody (more on that later), I ended up getting caught in traffic. So they got to the hotel before I did. Again. I'm never late and twice with them I've been late.

They both are there looking cute, I've told them I like women in dresses and skirts looking girly. They definitely oblidged again, one in a cute mini-skirt and the other in a min-dress. The first thing I notice is they really are quite young and look it too. The second thing I notice is the sheer exuberance they have and how happy they both seem to see me. I'm starting to really believe it's not an act. There was even a slight mix-up as I was supposed to send some funds via GreenDot for gas in advance. I wasn't able to do that. She did have enough gas to get there and they drove without the GreenDot (2 hour drive).

We check in, get settled (two bedroom suite). We go out for dinner, movie and drinks / snacks. We got to the movie and were able to get decent seats. Before the movie was over, I had to switch to sit between them as one was feeling a little left out and voiced that. So I was there watching the movie rubbing on two legs...etc. This can be exciting and weird at times, trying to keep up with two. But I made it work.

Back in the room, things were great. We talked, I brought my BlueTooth speaker, they both stripped down to bra and panties (I got down to my underwear also) and gave me a create lap dance that included 2 to 3 songs. Best thing was, I did not have to tip, LOL.

From there lots of kissing, rubbing playing. Any time either other the two walked away, started deep french kissing the one that was on the couch. They both were sipping on Jack and Coke, I had wine. Eventually after rounds of playing, etc. Me and MsCaramel made our way to the room. MsChocolate went to their bedroom. Me and MsCaramel had a great time, she was very responsive to the oral, had multiple orgasms throughout sex and loads of energy. We tried multiple positions and eventually she settled in on reverse cowgirl. She must have stayed there for at least 15 minutes, just trying a variety of moves, asking for my guidance and seeing what worked. She had 2 to 3 orgasms up there. She was really working it out. Eventually after about an hour of going at it (pacing myself of course), I had m 1 big orgasm. Right as I was rolling over to lie on my back and exhale, she says "you can use your fingers too right". I could not believe she wanted more! Eventually, she layed beside me and caught her breath. At this point it was past 4 am. I feel dead asleep.

Next morning we get up and go downstairs for breakfast. It was a hasty dressing event as we were rushing to get there before the free breakfast was over (this saved me at least $30-$50). Back up stairs, more flirting and playing and eventually had another round with MsCaramel. It was good, but I kept it short since MsChocolate was wide awake, didn't want to rub it in too much (-pun intended, LOL). So as I was drying off after the shower, called in MsChocolate to my room. I reminded her of how sad she was that she could not show me her skills. So directed her to her knees and she worked the TiggaStick over for a good 5 to 7 minutes. That 19 year old girl can suck 4 Real! She also mentioned that next time (date#3), she wants her own personal time. So we'll not have a 3 some until date #4. We'll see. What will probably happen is she'll stay with me in my room during the evening and next morning, we'll have the 3 some. Either way it was interesting and not any jealousy. MsChocolate was even cool with us getting in round 2. They didn't mind me kissing one then kissing the other. They said the only rule is they don't want to taste the other person. So during the 3 some, I can go between the two, any way I please. This is when I'll get my pictures. The interactions in public have been cool. They both look so young, that most people don't give funny looks, they just assume that I'm taking my daughter and her friend out.

All in all, I'm still surprised, I feel very lucky and just going with the flow. Oh the biggest thing that surprises me, is that they have very little gift requirements.

Total Damage:

Cash Gift: .60 x2 = $120.

Gas: $60.

Room (2 Bedroom 3.5 Star hotel): $200.

Movie: $35.

Dinner: $80.

Alcohol and snacks: $30.

BigTigg (Bowling two strikes with two balls on two different lanes at same time).

[Ltnric]

Believe me everyone is a noob to this when they start this is very much a skill that comes with practice and lots of failures. I have met women that had husbands and boyfriends that did not know they were doing this. For a variety of reasons. Because they needed the money and the SO was just worthless. Or because they were in an abusive relationship and could not get out of it.

Just make sure you keep your identity concealed.

Why do you say it is an escort arrangement? Is she acting like an escort? What kind of words does she use? What does she look like? Have you asked her what she is looking for?

Send us more details and lets see if we can help.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

Hi Revvo, I really appreciate the help. Let me give you a run down of what she has told me:

- She said she used to be a dancer and wanted to get out of dancing and decided that this was a good alternative. I read some where that "dancers" are usually just escorts to turn to being a SB.

- She asked me "What are you looking for and looking to provide for a SB? ".

- We started talking about the arrangement and she said we could do monthly or pay-per-play depending on what we were going to be doing and how often we were going to meet.

- I told her I was looking for a SB who would like to go out on dates, dinners, movies.. And then willing to hang out at my place for GFE and she wrote back and said that "I'm comfortable with private dances, actually prefer " Again, felt like escorting.

- We settled on a per visit fee. I was actually able to get something better than I could get with a traditional escort.

- Yes is very cute, she is 22, white and looks like she has reddish hair.

So we agreed to meet up after Thanksgiving. Thanks for the advice on keeping my identity a secrete. I do have a question. Where do you take your SB for a more intimate activity? Do you ever take her back to your place (that is assuming you live along).

Thanks everyone, I appreciate any and all help.

[Revvo]

Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from SA.com and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.

Believe me everyone is a noob to this when they start this is very much a skill that comes with practice and lots of failures. I have met women that had husbands and boyfriends that did not know they were doing this. For a variety of reasons. Because they needed the money and the SO was just worthless. Or because they were in an abusive relationship and could not get out of it.

Just make sure you keep your identity concealed.

Why do you say it is an escort arrangement? Is she acting like an escort? What kind of words does she use? What does she look like? Have you asked her what she is looking for?

Send us more details and lets see if we can help.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[Revvo]

Gentlemen as many others before me have said thank you. Hollywood Guy, Reevo, Big Tigger and the rest I've read countless posts and have learned a ton. This year was a huge step for me I went from AMP's to BP girls to TER babes only to realize all I needed to do in order to be really satisfied was to step into the Bowl. I opened my SA acct on Sunday and sent 20 emails, that night I began chatting with 2 POTs right then but the next morning I began texting and speaking with 10 girls. I learned something very quickly most of the college aged girls 18-21 have a unrealistic expectation of what their time is worth they'll have $250 + expectations and a hotel, I'm like heck no, but a girl in her mid 20's with rent to pay understands the value of a couple hundred bucks. By the end of the week I've had 4.

Welcome to the brotherhood. And you are welcome. Read our exploits and trials with care. There is a lot of hard won and sometimes painful experience there. I think you are going to find that this is a exciting, thrilling, frustrating, scary, and addicting experience. I like to think of it kind of like hunting but like it used to be many years ago. We are out there with our wits, our experience, and yes our dollars as ammunition. Trying to secure that most elusive of all creatures. The amateur that is beautiful and sexy and fun.

Congratulations on your exploits so far. Sounds like you are making quick progress. When you say by the end of the week you've had 4 what do you mean? Do you mean you contacted 4, talked to them, met them or fucked them? There is a very big difference.

Send in some detailed reports for the brotherhood. This is a helluva lot easier when you report and express your adventures and get help from the brothers on here.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[BigTigger]

Got into a back and forth via text with her. She finally replied after I sent her a scathing text calling her disrespectful and a scam artist (which I knew she wasn't, just wanted a reply). Her reply was simply that she wasn't doing anything until she took her retest. This really doesn't explain why a person cannot say "Hello or Good Morning". Either way she called me annoying to both of them (I was right, they were talking).

I then reminded her, you can't take my money then expect me to not call or text you. So I was annoying because I called and text to check in and see how she was doing? Amazing. I wished her the best and just told her if she was really as honest as she claims to be, then just greendot me my money back! I then deleted her information and moved on!

BT.

[BigTigger]

I will give a much detailed update later. But here is my quick twitter updates.

-Had overnight on Friday.

-Included dinner, movie, drinks.

-True ages are 19, not 20.

-One was on period, so did the Tiggabounce twice with the other one.

-Very inexperienced, lots of questions.

-She absolutely wore me out!

BT.

[HollywoodGuy]

Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from SA.com and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.

I bow to those who came before me. And Welcome Bro. This is a step up from MP's and Escorts, although they certainly have their place (almost hit one today).

[Ltnric]

Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from SA.com and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.

[Showtime2020]

Please disregard previous post it looks like I hit upload by accident. I will try again tomorrow from a computer instead of an iPad.