"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[F Scott]

So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.

Jesus, Cotton, are you reading my mind? Quit it!!

#'s 1 and 2 are my go-to guidelines. I love the quirky, creative, artistic types anyway, and the fact that they will shed their clothes in a minute is a decided bonus as far as I'm concerned; #'s 3 and 4 are my personal red flags; and I love to put persuasion time into catagory #5, as it often pays off wonderfully in the long run.

That said, I would also agree with Fred in that there is often sucess to be had in every catagory, and I have certainly had some outstanding times with single moms. Scheduling is often difficult, but the pent-up demand for a solid pounding always makes up for it.

[FredMoore]

So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.

6. Flyouts are a great tool. Once you get to know them, tell them you will fly them to meet you on business trips (if you travel), and you will cover all expenses...this can be a great thing, as miles are free and / or some flights are really cheap, you have to get the hotels and rental cars anyway for work etc. Etc. I've had several multi-day fuck-filled trips for as little as a $200 plane ticket and a little added expense at mealtime.

Anyway, some thoughts...was wondering if you guys had rules you live by as you weed through the profiles?

Nice summary HC Ahh, to be 40 again! These HCGs who are willing to date you for no allowance, how long do they last? Are they one and done or do you have to kick them to the curb? Do you date IRL? Or do you only date SBs?

I have learned that rules are only to be broken. But I have found for me that:

1) 24 to 28 yr old single college grads work best. Preferably the 8's,which I upgrade because of performance.

2) dancers, strippers, beautiful girls / models are GPS or UTRs.

3) single mothers are too difficult to maneuver with due to scheduling and babysitting.

4) teens are too schizoid and either unrealistic or Pros.

5) over 30 don't appeal to me.

Having said that I have had success with almost every category, but loads of failures. My search age is 18 to 29 The best 1 niter was 19 ,the best long termer was 28.

[Member #4103]

So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.

6. Flyouts are a great tool. Once you get to know them, tell them you will fly them to meet you on business trips (if you travel), and you will cover all expenses...this can be a great thing, as miles are free and / or some flights are really cheap, you have to get the hotels and rental cars anyway for work etc. Etc. I've had several multi-day fuck-filled trips for as little as a $200 plane ticket and a little added expense at mealtime.

Anyway, some thoughts...was wondering if you guys had rules you live by as you weed through the profiles?

[LandonR]

Question for the gallery. How do you typically portray yourself to the babies? It's obvious that a number of these girls are attracted to wealth, power, perceived status, and other superficial things. Do you exagerate your networth, net income? What do you tell them you do for an occupation if you are really a mid level manager toiling away in corporate american. Curious if I should play into what these girls want and pretend to be a little more than what I am or if I should be 100% real as can be.

Also as a caveat, for the most part I'm looking for 1. 3 times and then moving onto the next baby. Not looking to get locked into anyone for a long term situation.

I'll hang up and listen.

[Revvo]

So I am high as a kite. Just got done with a M&G from a really nice POT. I have not been actively looking but I ran across this nice simple profile. The POT was 5'3" normal body and wait for it "Colombian". So I have covered this on this site before. But Colombian women are in my opinion the best this world has to offer. They are beautiful, sexy, fun, they have great attitudes, and they are what so many POTs describe themselves as but are not "down to earth". Well she was all of these things and more. She is finishing up her LPN training.

Even though she posted no pics on her profile, I could tell this was a quality woman. Let me first say about amateurs. There are different kinds of amateurs. I always ask how they found out about the site. Usually they say they were told by a friend, which means the friend is making lots of money and they want to make lots of money also. That is a GPS warning from an amateur. They will also say I have been on the site before or had a SD before. That is less of an amateur. She is more savvy. But this one said. I was curious and thought I would check it out. She said she had needs. I love it. This is my kind of amateur. Fresh and needing to be fucked.

So we started texting and she was very shy but cool. I was going to really need to take my time with her. Then we moved to the phone. Even better. What a sweet little sexy voice with that thick accent. I could get hard just talking to her. Then she sent me the pics. Nothing too risque but one was in her undies. Wow beautiful. I really really like her look. And I always look for quality and that connection. Let me tell you after my run ins with that crazy Russian UTR below. This was so pleasant. She was not demanding or vulgar or rude. She was sweet, intelligent, thoughtfulcute, fun, sexy, and willing to ride along on our adventure. Love it. So far.

She is gorgeous in the face, really nice hair and nails. Very well kept from head to toe. A little thick but as I have said before. I do not prefer thick women it usually is another way of saying fat. But she is thick in a good way. Large curvy ass, but no fat and a really flat stomach. And man what a set of titties. Can't wait to get into them. I am giving her a 9.5/8/10/? So far. We met she was on time and she agreed she needed to take it slow. And I did not have a problem with this since my other three were keeping me busy. But I must say I am having some issues. My Brazilian baby has gone dark, and my girl next door is way over swamped with work and schedule issues. So I have a little time on my hands. I am only servicing my Venezuelan baby right now.

The meeting was at a Starbucks and we Sat. And talked outside. She was very responsive and I escalated touching a lot and she reciprocated. Great sign. She asked lots of questions and she responded well to my flirtatious comments. Latin and especially Colombian women are so naturally sexual and uninhibited. She let me know that she was very shy at first but gets wild once she gets to know me. She has a killer ass. And she was wearing the tightest white jeans. OMG they look like they were spray painted on. And the smile and the little laugh. So fucking sexy. She was so sensual so feminine. No games or bullshit.

Anyway we went across the street for lunch after Starbucks and she called her Mom to let her know she was extending the visit. Then we had lunch and talked expectations and schedules. She was completely on board. But I will have to work this slow. No problem. We are meeting again on Tuesday. We had the greatest kiss, which she was really ready for since I did not have to lean in too far for she came the rest of the way to me. I think she is getting ready for a good stiff dick.

Awesome time. Even if it ended now it was a great connection. There is something so much easier and less forced and more natural about Colombian women.

Oh by the way. On the other issue below. I got tested and I am negative on all 8 STDs. Wife just has her first ever yeast infection. She went to doctor and he is treating it as so. I hear I could still have Trich but I have no symptoms. Is that possible?

Revvo.

[BuckDancer]

So I've been busier than normal lately at work and heading out door earlier in the morning. Last week flipping through the radio I stumble across this local radio show that tests men. It's called "war of the roses". A wife or gf that suspects a cheating partner calls in and gets the radio hosts to test the man. The female radio host calls the man's cell and says he won a free dozen long stem red roses and he can choose to have them sent to anyone in the continental US at zero charge. I listened on the radio (and then checked out the website) as almost all of these guys send the roses to their mistress. I'm pointing out this lesson so that if something free like this this comes along, use your Brain not your dick. Send the freebie to your wife and include a nice sappy message about how you love her and are sorry you've been so distracted with work lately!! Don't send the flowers to your ATF SB... Ie. Give the dick pounding to your SB and the flowers to your wife. I recommend pulling the website and listen to a few. Just search war of the roses radio...

Good Luck and stay safe,

PF

That's funny right there, I don't care who you are! Some dudes just deserve to get caught.

[Pats Fan1]

So I've been busier than normal lately at work and heading out door earlier in the morning. Last week flipping through the radio I stumble across this local radio show that tests men. It's called "war of the roses". A wife or gf that suspects a cheating partner calls in and gets the radio hosts to test the man. The female radio host calls the man's cell and says he won a free dozen long stem red roses and he can choose to have them sent to anyone in the continental US at zero charge. I listened on the radio (and then checked out the website) as almost all of these guys send the roses to their mistress. I'm pointing out this lesson so that if something free like this this comes along, use your Brain not your dick. Send the freebie to your wife and include a nice sappy message about how you love her and are sorry you've been so distracted with work lately!! Don't send the flowers to your ATF SB... Ie. Give the dick pounding to your SB and the flowers to your wife. I recommend pulling the website and listen to a few. Just search war of the roses radio...

Good Luck and stay safe,

PF

[FredMoore]

Met the POT #1 I alluded to earlier. Was 7/7/7/6 with a lot of drama. The CPO was $100 with her own FC but I did not go prepared because of time constraints. I just wanted to check her out. But she turned out to want to do the deed so we did. Only after did we discuss allowance since she was paranoid about LE entrapment. Well I offered $ for that experience to be paid later and the same going forward. The problem is she bugged the crap out of me to pay now, basically blew up my phone. I paid as I promised and now she is all happy wanting to meet regularly. I might keep her on tap as a booty call only. She is definitely not SB quality by my standards. On the plus side, perhaps she will settle down now that she knows I won't screw her, weeeell money wise. And I save $250/ pop compared to my ATF to deposit a load. There will not be an E connection here though.

[FredMoore]

BT,

Once again, you are out on the edge of the horizon when it comes to innovative approaches to the Bowl! What a great idea.

I would add that there is a website, airbnb.com, where you can rent a single bedroom in an apartment either by the day, week or month. They are usually in great neighborhoods, at least in the Chicago area, and it seems like no one gives a shit what you do, as long as you pay the fee. Once I am out from under the spotlight on the guard tower, I think I may check this angle out myself. Some are furnished, some are not, but the cost is far less than a hotel room on average, especially if you have more than one baby in rotation, or are meeting more than once a week. Plus you get to stock it with any of your personal requirements, and then leave them there instead of a hidey-hole somewhere on home grounds.

BTW, it's great to see so many newbies posting up. I truly believe this is the greatest thread on the site, bar none.

Keep those reports coming.

Scott.

Thanks for the tip Scotty! Hope your trip was successful for you.

I scanned my play zone and found that daily rates are higher than the * Notels that I use, but it is another option. Also, the cheapest option I clicked on had reviews that lauded the friendliness of the owners who live there and the wonderful nightcap they offered as well as the breakfast in the AM. Nice if you are with the SO, but too much involvement for our hobby. I wonder how they would like the screaming orgasms for 3 hours straight LOL.

[BuckDancer]

Guy, You are absolutely correct. I was nervous the whole time I would see someone I knew while in the restaurant. Outside of town has to be where it's safer.

She never responded back so I think she has swum off, and put a brand new ad up on CL exactly the same as the first ad I answered. I hope she becomes more careful for her own sake, If I was able to find out her true I'd than anyone will be able to. Time to go to the bait store and throw a line back in the water.

Happy Fishing!

[Member #5055]

Just a word of warning, if you are truly sugaring in tiny hooville, and hooville is really small, if you do get her to the FC and develop her as an SB, then there is a good chance she will learn your real I'd.- may or may not be an issue, but I am not sure I would want a mace carrying girl (even a hot 25 year old) knowing what I get up to in my small town. Let's pyt it this way.- I go to any local store and I will know at least 2-3 people.

I only sugar in the large towns that are minimu, 30-45 minutes away. Just my two cents. Stay safe GW.

Well I did a little sherlocking last night, In the meeting she told me her first name only and what she did for a living. Well hooville is a very small town. I took a stab that she actually told me her real first name. And lo and behold I found her and found out everything about her. I found her on Linkdin, facebook, twitter etc. She is who she says she is, so I'm not so worried about the LE angle anymore. I just think the awkwardness and both of us being new to the bowl threw up the flags. Good thing is I used junk email, google voice number, and fake name, paid in cash, so I've learned well from this thread. I don; t think she can figure me out at this point. But I know her. She is a hot 25 year old and I'd like to get her in FC, I did email her this AM asking how she thought it went. SO we'll see if no response I'll move on. Thanks for all the comments and advice. Rock on!

[BigTigger]

BT,

Once again, you are out on the edge of the horizon when it comes to innovative approaches to the Bowl! What a great idea.

I would add that there is a website, airbnb.com, where you can rent a single bedroom in an apartment either by the day, week or month. They are usually in great neighborhoods, at least in the Chicago area, and it seems like no one gives a shit what you do, as long as you pay the fee. Once I am out from under the spotlight on the guard tower, I think I may check this angle out myself. Some are furnished, some are not, but the cost is far less than a hotel room on average, especially if you have more than one baby in rotation, or are meeting more than once a week. Plus you get to stock it with any of your personal requirements, and then leave them there instead of a hidey-hole somewhere on home grounds.

BTW, it's great to see so many newbies posting up. I truly believe this is the greatest thread on the site, bar none.

Keep those reports coming.

Scott.

I tried airbnb but for Baltimore the price for one with private bath was running $100 or more plus deposits. In some cases that is more than a hotel. Plus you have to give / prove all your personal info. With CL, you can get someone that just wants their money.

BiggTigg.

[HollywoodGuy]

So a couple of days ago I get contacted by a very hot looking Russian POT. She says she is educated, speaks four languages and is wonderful. She said she had a SD when she lived in Russia. We started chatting and then she disappeared. Next day she texted me again and started chatting again. She seemed a little rushed and frantic. But well spoken freindly and easily a 9/9/ She almost immediately asked for a time to meet and asked me if 500 a week would be good with me. I did not answer just kept engaging her in conversation.

But she wanted to talk business. Then she asked me if 2000 per month is a good amount. At this time I really was not so sure in meeting with her. But what the hell. So I told her I could not do that amount but we could talk allowance after we know each other a while. Then I said we could do 150 per visit for now.

She said that was too low and don't be cheap Revvo. Not nasty just like she was trying to move me forward. So I then told her that the amount was too much but thanks and I wished her luck and I hope she gets what she wants.

A little while later she texts me 300 and then asks for a meeting that night. I tell her no thanks 150 and I do not negotiate and that I do not want this to be a negotiation. Because she will not be happy after it is over. And that does not lead to a good encounter. She then tells me how smart and sexy and wonderful she is and that the girls I am meeting are ugly. I say all I have been with are beautiful and educated and sexy and fun. I said that she is great. You should get what you want. Just not from me.

She then went to 250 then to 200. This was over couple hours. I told her that while we were chatting 50 more girls have signed up for that site.

Finally I agreed to 200 and am scheduled to meet on Friday. Not sure if I want to go. What do you think? Do you think this will be an quality engagement? Or do you think she is a UTR or pro? Tineye showed her picture on one of those Russian mail order bride sites. No where else.

I am a little leery. What are your thoughts?

Revvo.

Negotiating a lower price tends lower the quality of the service provided. I would never want to think there is any resentment in any girl I am with. There are exceptions. I may have one to write about this weekend.

[F Scott]

$600.

Furnished, but I will buy a bigger bed.

She based her comments on the ad I placed. I was clear in my ad that I would always have a guest.

She knows, but does not care. Just wants the money.

BT.

BT,

Once again, you are out on the edge of the horizon when it comes to innovative approaches to the Bowl! What a great idea.

I would add that there is a website, airbnb.com, where you can rent a single bedroom in an apartment either by the day, week or month. They are usually in great neighborhoods, at least in the Chicago area, and it seems like no one gives a shit what you do, as long as you pay the fee. Once I am out from under the spotlight on the guard tower, I think I may check this angle out myself. Some are furnished, some are not, but the cost is far less than a hotel room on average, especially if you have more than one baby in rotation, or are meeting more than once a week. Plus you get to stock it with any of your personal requirements, and then leave them there instead of a hidey-hole somewhere on home grounds.

BTW, it's great to see so many newbies posting up. I truly believe this is the greatest thread on the site, bar none.

Keep those reports coming.

Scott.

[F Scott]

Knife and Mace, squirrely emails and conversation. This just sounds like trouble. Might work out fine, at first, but some how some where you have Michael Douglas and Glenn Close doing a Fatal Attraction scene playing in the back of your head. Some pussy is better off if you just say "next".

Buck,

I know lots of young girls who carry mace or pepper spray in their purses, my daughters included. Sadly, it is a fact of modern life. But a knife? That would freak me out a little.

I see you have verified that she is a legitimate civvy, but if it were me I would still proceed with a little caution, although having said that, I do confess to liking the edgy ones myself. What's the harm in a second m&g, with the understanding that the FC will be close by if needed? If she is new to the Bowl, she may be figuring it out the same way you are.

Welcome to the club, good luck, and of course.

Don't forget to write!

Scott.