"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BuckDancer]

Well I did a little sherlocking last night, In the meeting she told me her first name only and what she did for a living. Well hooville is a very small town. I took a stab that she actually told me her real first name. And lo and behold I found her and found out everything about her. I found her on Linkdin, facebook, twitter etc. She is who she says she is, so I'm not so worried about the LE angle anymore. I just think the awkwardness and both of us being new to the bowl threw up the flags. Good thing is I used junk email, google voice number, and fake name, paid in cash, so I've learned well from this thread. I don; t think she can figure me out at this point. But I know her. She is a hot 25 year old and I'd like to get her in FC, I did email her this AM asking how she thought it went. SO we'll see if no response I'll move on. Thanks for all the comments and advice. Rock on!

[Revvo]

My Brothers, Tonight I had my first meet and greet with a potential SB. I found her on Craigslist and wasn't expecting much. We conversed for a while via email. And when I asked for picture she said your crazy! Not right off the bat! So ok, we communicated for a while over the next week. I told her I could not host, she also said she could not as roomates were involved. Ok, hotel it is. Well we decided to meet at a local chain restaurant on the other side of town from me. I was excited and nervous the whole time. She has a email that suggests dissonance reduction, during the entire exchange I'm trying to find info about her. I am obviously using a junk email. So anyway to the meeting day today, we agree on the time and place and I am nervous. We email right up to the meeting and meet outside, then go into the restaurant. Now I have told her I'm married and need discretion. She's fine with that. I ask if she would like a table or sit at the bar, she picks a half table right at the entrance. I'm thinking WTF? Sitting duck. Any way we sit and she goes to the restroom and comes back and we order drinks, By the way she has long red hair and is hot, I'm thinking this I'd too good to be true. No boobs but that's ok, her body is hot. I'll call her red for the red hair. We make conversation and it's ok, but I'm still nervous. She seems nonchalant and detached. I told her I was nervous and she said she wasn't due to her job as a social worker and she deals with difficult situations all the time. I was good but maybe a little too curious as to why she picked me out of the hundreds of emails she got, and wasn't she concerned at all for her safety. I'm a softy like that. I inquired as to why she was interested in doing this and she said I'm young and still hot so why not! (she's 25). She then opened a little and said her parents are dirt poor, and they exhausted their savings to send a brother to dive school. IThere was never any mention of $ and I asked what she thought of what she wanted as an arrangement, she indicated she would prefer to discuss that via email later. I was fine with that. Waiter asked if we wanted to order she said no here for a drink only. We finished drinks and I told her I would lokk forward to hearing from her. I offered to walk her to her car, but said no I'll walk myself I have a knife and mace. So we left together and went our separate ways. Funny thing, I saw an unmarked cop car turn it's lights on and leave a parking space 5-6 down from me when I was walking towards my vehicle. Question Am I paranoid? There has never been a discussion on $ and I know I'm clean right now, and wouldn't she try to entrap me? Other question If that's nothing it seems she is just not interested? If that's the case I'll move on, no worries, but she was hot, well kept and very smart. Suggestions, comments, observations welcome!

Craigslist for some reason attracts lots of cops. Don not in any way discuss money over email this to me is a big red flag. Or via phone. I only discuss in person if I have to. Usually I wait until after FC is over then give it to them.

Her not showing pics is also very suspicious. A female cop is not going to send you pics either. Women sending pics is standard. She should not have a problem with this.

Finally meet her personally and escalate physically quickly. Start touching her on the arm. Then touch on the upper arm and hand. Then the back. Hold hands with her. You pick the table. And place make it intimate. Look for her reaction she should be happy to see you and welcome your escalation. If she is a cop she will not let you do any of these things. Finally go for a kiss when you are getting closer and closer to her physically. She what she does.

I am afraid you have a problem here.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[Beachesnole02]

Maybe, but I'ld be too. One one hand it sounds like she's interested, on the other hand walking to car with 'mace and a knife', she sounds very suspicious. Likely, she's had bad experiences in the past and being extra careful. But you need to be the same. I would suggest another m&g. Get a little intimate in the car & talk about what'll happen at the fc later before committing to any $ amount.

Knife and Mace, squirrely emails and conversation. This just sounds like trouble. Might work out fine, at first, but some how some where you have Michael Douglas and Glenn Close doing a Fatal Attraction scene playing in the back of your head. Some pussy is better off if you just say "next".

[J Martinez]

...Question Am I paranoid?...

Maybe, but I'ld be too. One one hand it sounds like she's interested, on the other hand walking to car with 'mace and a knife', she sounds very suspicious. Likely, she's had bad experiences in the past and being extra careful. But you need to be the same. I would suggest another m&g. Get a little intimate in the car & talk about what'll happen at the fc later before committing to any $ amount.

[J Martinez]

...Finally I agreed to 200 and am scheduled to meet on Friday. Not sure if I want to go. What do you think? Do you think this will be an quality engagement? Or do you think she is a UTR or pro? Tineye showed her picture on one of those Russian mail order bride sites. No where else.

I am a little leery. What are your thoughts?

Revvo.

I can't find the prior post (s) to reference, the posts about too much talk of money, long negotiations, expectations, etc, the ones from the board experts (I consider you one), but this is unlikely to turn out bad. I feel you already know this and just looking for confirmation. I would m&g, but make an excuse to bail unless she way way hot.

[BuckDancer]

My Brothers, Tonight I had my first meet and greet with a potential SB. I found her on Craigslist and wasn't expecting much. We conversed for a while via email. And when I asked for picture she said your crazy! Not right off the bat! So ok, we communicated for a while over the next week. I told her I could not host, she also said she could not as roomates were involved. Ok, hotel it is. Well we decided to meet at a local chain restaurant on the other side of town from me. I was excited and nervous the whole time. She has a email that suggests dissonance reduction, during the entire exchange I'm trying to find info about her. I am obviously using a junk email. So anyway to the meeting day today, we agree on the time and place and I am nervous. We email right up to the meeting and meet outside, then go into the restaurant. Now I have told her I'm married and need discretion. She's fine with that. I ask if she would like a table or sit at the bar, she picks a half table right at the entrance. I'm thinking WTF? Sitting duck. Any way we sit and she goes to the restroom and comes back and we order drinks, By the way she has long red hair and is hot, I'm thinking this I'd too good to be true. No boobs but that's ok, her body is hot. I'll call her red for the red hair. We make conversation and it's ok, but I'm still nervous. She seems nonchalant and detached. I told her I was nervous and she said she wasn't due to her job as a social worker and she deals with difficult situations all the time. I was good but maybe a little too curious as to why she picked me out of the hundreds of emails she got, and wasn't she concerned at all for her safety. I'm a softy like that. I inquired as to why she was interested in doing this and she said I'm young and still hot so why not! (she's 25). She then opened a little and said her parents are dirt poor, and they exhausted their savings to send a brother to dive school. IThere was never any mention of $ and I asked what she thought of what she wanted as an arrangement, she indicated she would prefer to discuss that via email later. I was fine with that. Waiter asked if we wanted to order she said no here for a drink only. We finished drinks and I told her I would lokk forward to hearing from her. I offered to walk her to her car, but said no I'll walk myself I have a knife and mace. So we left together and went our separate ways. Funny thing, I saw an unmarked cop car turn it's lights on and leave a parking space 5-6 down from me when I was walking towards my vehicle. Question Am I paranoid? There has never been a discussion on $ and I know I'm clean right now, and wouldn't she try to entrap me? Other question If that's nothing it seems she is just not interested? If that's the case I'll move on, no worries, but she was hot, well kept and very smart. Suggestions, comments, observations welcome!

[BigTigger]

How much does she want to charge you? Also is the room furnished? Dude you are paying a lot for hotels. I am lucky at the moment. All three of my regular SB's host. So I only paid for two hotel rooms last month. Totally $132 and that was for a 4 star resort hotel. But I live in probably the highest per capital hotel rooms in the US other than Las Vegas.

But I am always looking for new and better ideas since my current situation may not last.

Also how did you get her to say she does not care what you do? Does she know you are going to be using it for a Tiggapad? LOL.

Revvo.

$600.

Furnished, but I will buy a bigger bed.

She based her comments on the ad I placed. I was clear in my ad that I would always have a guest.

She knows, but does not care. Just wants the money.

BT.

[Dsprdo]

Finally I agreed to 200 and am scheduled to meet on Friday. Not sure if I want to go. What do you think? Do you think this will be an quality engagement? Or do you think she is a UTR or pro? Tineye showed her picture on one of those Russian mail order bride sites. No where else.

It sounds like she's UTR at least-not that you can't have fun with an UTR girl! I would be surprised if she turns into a quality long term baby but it might be worth a couple of rounds. I would be curious to learn if the pics she sent you are real. Are the mail order bride pics the exact same ones she has up here? I think it is really hard for an eastern European girl to get a visa to move here, so I'm curious how she got here. I would probably go to the M&G and be ready to either walk away or, if it turns out she is as hot as you think, ready to live with it if the experience isn't top notch.

[Revvo]

So a couple of days ago I get contacted by a very hot looking Russian POT. She says she is educated, speaks four languages and is wonderful. She said she had a SD when she lived in Russia. We started chatting and then she disappeared. Next day she texted me again and started chatting again. She seemed a little rushed and frantic. But well spoken freindly and easily a 9/9/ She almost immediately asked for a time to meet and asked me if 500 a week would be good with me. I did not answer just kept engaging her in conversation.

But she wanted to talk business. Then she asked me if 2000 per month is a good amount. At this time I really was not so sure in meeting with her. But what the hell. So I told her I could not do that amount but we could talk allowance after we know each other a while. Then I said we could do 150 per visit for now.

She said that was too low and don't be cheap Revvo. Not nasty just like she was trying to move me forward. So I then told her that the amount was too much but thanks and I wished her luck and I hope she gets what she wants.

A little while later she texts me 300 and then asks for a meeting that night. I tell her no thanks 150 and I do not negotiate and that I do not want this to be a negotiation. Because she will not be happy after it is over. And that does not lead to a good encounter. She then tells me how smart and sexy and wonderful she is and that the girls I am meeting are ugly. I say all I have been with are beautiful and educated and sexy and fun. I said that she is great. You should get what you want. Just not from me.

She then went to 250 then to 200. This was over couple hours. I told her that while we were chatting 50 more girls have signed up for that site.

Finally I agreed to 200 and am scheduled to meet on Friday. Not sure if I want to go. What do you think? Do you think this will be an quality engagement? Or do you think she is a UTR or pro? Tineye showed her picture on one of those Russian mail order bride sites. No where else.

I am a little leery. What are your thoughts?

Revvo.

[Revvo]

Actually I placed the ad on CL and with what I was looking for in a roommate situation. Then let people just replied to my ad most of them did not care what I did in the room. I was even clear I would only be there 2 to 3 times a week. The one that I'm expecting to get is in a controlled high rise apartment with security and parking garage. And the owner live there but is rarely home. She was very clear she does not care what I do in my room. And of course I can use the kitchen and all of that stuff. So it sounds like a really good deal is cost me 600 per month. I average between 600 and 800 per month in hotels.

How much does she want to charge you? Also is the room furnished? Dude you are paying a lot for hotels. I am lucky at the moment. All three of my regular SB's host. So I only paid for two hotel rooms last month. Totally $132 and that was for a 4 star resort hotel. But I live in probably the highest per capital hotel rooms in the US other than Las Vegas.

But I am always looking for new and better ideas since my current situation may not last.

Also how did you get her to say she does not care what you do? Does she know you are going to be using it for a Tiggapad? LOL.

Revvo.

[BigTigger]

Well I am not surprised brother. So many are flakes. I think it is the nature of women in general and POTs even more. She was probably working several POTs herself waiting for the perfect SD. Hell we do it all the time.

Love the idea of the Tiggapad. Man that is genius. If I had babies that did not have their own places I would do that. How much is it costing? And is there any kind of lease or all cash? And do you have any restrictions. Like you have to let the tenant / landlord know when you are coming over, or clear out when she comes home, etc.

Also and I am just spit-balling here: What happens when you bring a fine looking hot little Tiggababy home and you two just cant control yourself and you are pounding that pussy like it is the last piece of ass on earth...there is yelling, there is bed squeaking, there is thumping. Is your landlord cool with that, or is she going to throw you out on your ear? Lots to consider. And believe me I am considering this seriously. That is why I am asking. Also dont want a brother to get into something troublesome.

I might have to try that here if the need arises.

Revvo.

Actually I placed the ad on CL and with what I was looking for in a roommate situation. Then let people just replied to my ad most of them did not care what I did in the room. I was even clear I would only be there 2 to 3 times a week. The one that I'm expecting to get is in a controlled high rise apartment with security and parking garage. And the owner live there but is rarely home. She was very clear she does not care what I do in my room. And of course I can use the kitchen and all of that stuff. So it sounds like a really good deal is cost me 600 per month. I average between 600 and 800 per month in hotels.

[Revvo]

I think this is an important question. When a girl asks this, I think it is a sign of a new SB. Girls who have been around the track a few times don't care. New SB's want to know if you are a player, how you've treated any past SB's, and what to expect from you. The follow on question to "yes, I have" is "what happened to her?" I would welcome insight as to how some of you approach this topic.

I usually ask them first if they ever had an SD before. And they will then ask me if I have had an SB. Couple of things on this.

I tell them I have. And I tell them the truth. There is not a lot to hide really. Mine have been long term and really good experiences. I even tell them about the one that left me, and how she bolted from me right after I started her allowance. They are shocked someone would do that. Especially someone that I am in an intimate relationship with. Then I talk about trust. That right there puts any talk of an immediate allowance to bed.

Worked pretty well for me so far.

Revvo.

[Revvo]

Tall one changed her mind on me about 30 minutes before we met. Gave an excuse of not being OK with me being married and being annoyed at the potential of me being clingy. Then she blocked me on the site, all within 5 mins, LOL. I found that funny, because I may pursue, but I don't chase or stalk. Either way, she was very new and it is possible she got a better deal, LOL.

Date with MsCoolSlim was good, but not great. She is not a SB, very unsure of what she wants. Primarily she wants something that happens and is not too planned out. After this second date, she has a 10 face, 9 body and 7 personality. I will keep moving at her pace.

Met the other spinner and hung out in the car. Picked up some carry out, talked and flirted for about 2 hours. I was right, she does not weigh 100 lbs. She is cute and is ready for the Tiggabounce. I am not convinced she will be good in bed, but we will see.

I will be finalizing my Tiggapad on Thursday. I drove by the area yesterday to check out the surrounding. It is very nice, lots of stores, restaurants, etc. It is a high-rise and parking is easy.

BT.

Well I am not surprised brother. So many are flakes. I think it is the nature of women in general and POTs even more. She was probably working several POTs herself waiting for the perfect SD. Hell we do it all the time.

Love the idea of the Tiggapad. Man that is genius. If I had babies that did not have their own places I would do that. How much is it costing? And is there any kind of lease or all cash? And do you have any restrictions. Like you have to let the tenant / landlord know when you are coming over, or clear out when she comes home, etc.

Also and I am just spit-balling here: What happens when you bring a fine looking hot little Tiggababy home and you two just cant control yourself and you are pounding that pussy like it is the last piece of ass on earth...there is yelling, there is bed squeaking, there is thumping. Is your landlord cool with that, or is she going to throw you out on your ear? Lots to consider. And believe me I am considering this seriously. That is why I am asking. Also dont want a brother to get into something troublesome.

I might have to try that here if the need arises.

Revvo.

[BigTigger]

Tall one changed her mind on me about 30 minutes before we met. Gave an excuse of not being OK with me being married and being annoyed at the potential of me being clingy. Then she blocked me on the site, all within 5 mins, LOL. I found that funny, because I may pursue, but I don't chase or stalk. Either way, she was very new and it is possible she got a better deal, LOL.

Date with MsCoolSlim was good, but not great. She is not a SB, very unsure of what she wants. Primarily she wants something that happens and is not too planned out. After this second date, she has a 10 face, 9 body and 7 personality. I will keep moving at her pace.

Met the other spinner and hung out in the car. Picked up some carry out, talked and flirted for about 2 hours. I was right, she does not weigh 100 lbs. She is cute and is ready for the Tiggabounce. I am not convinced she will be good in bed, but we will see.

I will be finalizing my Tiggapad on Thursday. I drove by the area yesterday to check out the surrounding. It is very nice, lots of stores, restaurants, etc. It is a high-rise and parking is easy.

BT.

[Pats Fan1]

I'm getting a warning and a block to usasg from google chrome. It says they found malware in one instance on usasg in a search on 10/21 (today) but this was the only instance in the last 90 days. I'll be interested to see how long they keep the block in place. They allow you to proceed "at your own risk.

Literal2.

Aka "Gramps".

Mozilla gives the same Bad Site Warning...just wanted to let you know.