"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

So more POTs and I am not even looking. Life is good my brothers. These women are in the older range. If I get them to the FC. I am going to get really experimental with the sex and start trying some of the kinky stuff. Older women are usually much more up for this than the younger ones.

REVVO

I have found the younger ones more open to it because its all so new. Not all the time, but a lot of the time.

[HollywoodGuy]

So, um, what did you do when you caught 'them? (:

Occaisonally I would have to flake. Or just do them once

[BigTigger]

I don't really where know where to begin or end. We had our first hotel date for the Tiggabounce, which just happened to be an overnight also. It was a full blown date, so we had an activity and dinner before we stopped to get some wine on the way to the room.

Bottom Line Upfront 9/9. 7/10/10 (face / body / personality / skills)

This 21 year old blew me away. In more ways than one with her maturity level, combined with youthful exuberance and bedroom skills. It's not my place to ask where she got those skills, just my place to enjoy them.

A few things to help paint the picture. She's in college and one of those dancers that go on the court at halftime. So even though she's thick, I could not find any fat. And that butt was sooooo firm. Being a dancer, she was always bouncing to a tune, always smiling and laughing at something and just could not seem to resist showing me dance moves throughout the night. Even in bed, she decided during doggie that it was her turn to take charge and had me stand still while she "twerked" to the music."OMG!"

Deep throat with noises and the most beautiful perky natural 34 D's I've seen in a while. We had one session at 11am. Another at 2:30am. And a final one at 6:30am. I'm in my 40's so I needed the breaks to recover, LOL.

She took every position I dished out, she was clean, responded wonderful to oral, was loud, but not too loud. And just so accommodating. Whatever I wanted to do was fair game. She even had ideas of her own. I even got pics. We got along very well, the conversation did not lull like with other young ones and she was just so damn sexual!

The Beginning:

This was our first time together, when we got to the room she excused herself to take a shower and came out in only a towel. So unlike some of the awkwardness with others. She knew what was up and didn't mind getting down to business as she was looking forward to it also. After a few glasses of wine. Since she was already undressed and I was fully dressed. I had her undress me as I stood on the edge of the bed. And right on cue, she had me naked and the TiggaStick all in her mouth within seconds.

The End:

She had had about 6 to 8 orgasms between the 3 sessions. I'd managed one on the first one. I was able to hold out on the second one and was primed for the third one. However I wasn't cumming easy. Which is great when you are trying different positions. But she took it as a challenge. After getting her last one while sitting straight up on top. She leaned her chest into mine and began bouncing that azz up and down (she was only moving her butt, no chest, no arms). Faster. Faster and harder. For a second I felt like she was screwing me and not me her. I held out for a minute or two, but it was way to much to resist. I've had a few try that way, a few bouncing up and down while sitting up. But she just put it on me and I could feel all her power, those dancing muscles in her legs pinning my legs and those arms squeezing me. What an experience! I blew such a big load!

There are a number of other great things I can say. But I'll just stop here as I feel this is in the danger zone of bragging. As you can see, she left an impression and we are on again tomorrow night.

She completely fulfills the stereotypical 21 year old co-ed thick athlete (dancer) fantasy. I've had strippers who could not work it the way she did.

She invited me to stop by a basketball game and watch her and the dance team perform. I will definitely be doing that. Nothing like looking at the hot young dancers at halftime and seeing one of them get in your car after the game.

I am truly smitten with this young lady and I see a large amount of my budget going her way. I've thought with others that they would last a long time. Most of the time, I'm wrong. Hopefully this time I'm right and we'll be together for a long time.

Realistically, MsThickness (Here is another photo of MsThickness' backside asset)


and MsLilMama (speaking of, we had a lunch time quickie on Friday, picked her up, hit the hotel, screwed her brains out, dropped her off tired)


are both within my budget with minimums in the $400 range per month. Right now I've tested it and found that I can see either of them 3 times a week if desired. Wow, what a life.



BigTigg

[Revvo]

So I have had a little more time on my hands since my pursuit of new babies has almost slowed down to nothing. That has given me time to make more posts on this awesome thread. Notice I said almost. My membership on SDforme has been expired for over a month. And I rarely go on the site except occasionally to just peruse the prospects and favorite list any interesting ones. But hell I cannot even contact anyone except if they are a full access member. I rarely send out a prospect email anymore. But just this week minding my own busines and without anything but my profile out there I have been contacted by two promising POTs.

REVVO_POT1: So this one is very cute. She sent me a very short email and I responded since she was a full access member. I responded with my standard email and asked for some pics. She immediately texted me and emailed me several pics. Some of them R rated. Without my asking. She is 33 YO white describes herself as Italian / Cuban. Now this is intriguing since I like Italian women and I love love love Cuban women because most of them are a little crazy and they fuck like machines. She is about 5'2" very pretty face and nice titties. None of my babies right now have big breasts. Her body is tight and she looks really good. According to the pics I am giving her a 9/9/7? . She has been very responsive and has told me that she really likes everything and is happy to accommodate her SD. She was a good communicator and was happy to talk on the phone. This is important to me. It shows someone who is serious and communicates. We had a good couple of conversations. But I will say a couple of things. She does seem to be a little vulgar and rough with her verbal communication which I do not find attractive. I like feminine women. .Seems she has been through some rough marriages and seems to be a little bitter about them. Lots of cussing and resentment towards them. Not to me though so far. But it does cause me some concern. This may be a problem down the road. But her reason for being like this she says is she is a giver and these guys just took from her. I am thinking that if I treat her well and do not just take she will be really happy and could end up being a first class sugar baby. She does not seem to be overly interested in money and is more about finding a man who will act like a man and treat her well and take care of any expenses. She is also willing to drive to me for overnights. Which is also caught my interest. She also said that she may be able to host at her place when her kids are not there. So my attitude is I am fully booked. But can do a M&G since my little girl next door baby is down with bronchitis so I have a little time to check her out. No pressure because I really do not need her. Just like our previous discussion below. We are meeting at noon on Monday and I picked a location half way between us but she is willing to drive to me. Thats pretty cool to me. I will give her gas money and a small gift just to show my intention to treat her properly. Very promising.

REVVO_POT2: This one contacted me last night. I responded to her email and she immediatly texted me back. Now she is out of my preferred age range 46 YO white divorced MILF. But she seemed really cool and fun and cute. I usually limit my age to 40 or younger. But she appears to be a bit wealthy is not interested in money at all. Just someone to play with. She moved down here from the mid Atlantic area and sold her big house and now lives in a nudist colony that is about 75 minutes away from where I live. But she really seems like a free spirit and likes to have little adventures. This I like. She is ready to play. Very upbeat and lite. She looks attractive from the couple of pics. And she already has enthusiastically agreed to meet. I am taking this a little slower since I may not have time to meet this week. She looks like anything goes. But she does want a discrete relationship so she can maintain her reputation at her place of residence. Her words. But this works perfect for me. She may be another that can host. Which makes this one the potential to be almost completely free. Wow can this really work? I give her a 7/8/9? So far. Cute face, body looks like nice tits. But pics are not very good and I only have two so far. I will text her tomorrow to get the dialogue going again. But very promising once again.

Both of these POTS do not live too close to me. But that may be a good excuse to only see them about once or twice per month. Because usually I have found that once you get a good baby in the rotation they want to see you a minimum of once a week. They need to be fucked and fucked well on a regular basis. They expect this once they start fucking you. And I just could not add two more once a week babies right now even at the free price. But if the drive is long then maybe they will accept the distance as being an issue. Also the fact that each of these POTs has a life and seem very normal sure helps a lot also.

So more POTs and I am not even looking. Life is good my brothers. These women are in the older range. If I get them to the FC. I am going to get really experimental with the sex and start trying some of the kinky stuff. Older women are usually much more up for this than the younger ones.

Damn I love this game. I am so fucking lucky. And you brothers we need to hear some stories. So write up some stuff. I see the occasional question on here. But I promise you if you write your stuff down. You will learn a lot more. Just by the act of writing it. But also the feedback you will get.

Be careful out there.

REVVO

[Revvo]

So, um, what did you do when you caught 'them? (:

Then you can do whatever you want. Sometimes they turn out to be the best ever.

[Zomby]

I used to pursue girls I didn't want all the time just for the feedback. Excellent advice.

So, um, what did you do when you caught 'them? (:

[HollywoodGuy]

After a busy week full of deadlines and all day conferences, I was not able to make any dates.

HYM Preggo. Haven't seen her since for a few weeks. Got a txt from her that had the baby this week and look forward to seeing her in 5-6 weeks. She had C-Sect and that's probably how she was able to keep her kitty tight. I am excited to see that petite body of her, without the belly.

18YR ATF. Haven't been able to hook up with her this week due to work. Txt with her today and found out her phone was out of comissioned, had to use her mom's phone. I'll probably have to buy her another prepaid card tomorrow and put enough money in it for her to turn her phone back on. We'll be meeting again early next week.

And for those who are accounting / finance major, here's a break down of CPD on the ATF.

Date 1. 65 for cab (gave her a few extra).50 for motel. 15 for prepaid card (which she later loses). Total damage 130.

Date 2. 50 for motel. 105 for cab and a little sugar. Total damage 155.

Gift. 8 pair of Fredericks panties for 40. Which I will have her wear on our 3rd date. I will have her put on a different panty each time I banged that tight kitty (no, I am not going to fuck her 8 rounds) LOL.

Gift. Get her a new prepaid card for her to turn her phone back on, which is probably around 85 (want to leave her with a few extra bucks just in case)

Total Gift damage = 125.

Date 3 (upcoming).50 for motel. 60 for cab. No sugar. Total damage 110.

Summary: Averages 173 CPD (cost per date) to bang a spinning 18yr old for hours each time is a pretty fair investment IMO. As you've noticed more than half of the cost (63%) went to travel and motel expenses. The rest went to her in terms of gifts or direct sugars.

Conclusion: I am probably pretty lucky right now, but I believe if you treat a girl well, can make her cum, and make sure she understand the overall expenses of the relationship, I think you have a good chance of keeping cost to a manageable level.

Happy hunting brothers, I await your adventures.

So minus the hotel really you are at like $125. I need a new spinner. This is the one I got my eye on.

http://la.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts...18-18/34824560

She is not SB materiel but cant resist a body like hers. But she works with my girlfriend so I got to be cool for now. You won't find many with a body like this. But I am envious. And I am going to use your wrist binding suggestion on all 3 of my regulars. Thanks

[Member #5570]

After a busy week full of deadlines and all day conferences, I was not able to make any dates.

HYM Preggo. Haven't seen her since for a few weeks. Got a txt from her that had the baby this week and look forward to seeing her in 5-6 weeks. She had C-Sect and that's probably how she was able to keep her kitty tight. I am excited to see that petite body of her, without the belly.

18YR ATF. Haven't been able to hook up with her this week due to work. Txt with her today and found out her phone was out of comissioned, had to use her mom's phone. I'll probably have to buy her another prepaid card tomorrow and put enough money in it for her to turn her phone back on. We'll be meeting again early next week.

And for those who are accounting / finance major, here's a break down of CPD on the ATF.

Date 1. 65 for cab (gave her a few extra) .50 for motel. 15 for prepaid card (which she later loses). Total damage 130.

Date 2. 50 for motel. 105 for cab and a little sugar. Total damage 155.

Gift. 8 pair of Fredericks panties for 40. Which I will have her wear on our 3rd date. I will have her put on a different panty each time I banged that tight kitty (no, I am not going to fuck her 8 rounds) LOL.

Gift. Get her a new prepaid card for her to turn her phone back on, which is probably around 85 (want to leave her with a few extra bucks just in case)

Total Gift damage = 125.

Date 3 (upcoming).50 for motel. 60 for cab. No sugar. Total damage 110.

Summary: Averages 173 CPD (cost per date) to bang a spinning 18yr old for hours each time is a pretty fair investment IMO. As you've noticed more than half of the cost (63%) went to travel and motel expenses. The rest went to her in terms of gifts or direct sugars.

Conclusion: I am probably pretty lucky right now, but I believe if you treat a girl well, can make her cum, and make sure she understand the overall expenses of the relationship, I think you have a good chance of keeping cost to a manageable level.

Happy hunting brothers, I await your adventures.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hope you are right. I assume that their are college sb to be found.

I used to live in ann arbor many years ago. The vibe there is very casual. Also between there and detroit proper are some lower income suburbs. Should be fertile ground for HCB's, young MILF's and both black and white girls. Keep us informed.

[Badger53]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Brothers I hate to go against the grain here. But I have to say this is not what I would do. First remember she knows the only reason you are talking to her is because she has a pussy and you want to get into it. And guess what. She probably wants your dick. If you act in a masculine way. And do not try to hide this obvious fact and try to sneak into her pants.

You need to be clear about what you want and tell her what you want. Tell her you want to meet for coffee / smoothie or whatever is the latest trendy drink. Flirt, tease her, touch her, escalate the touching throughout the interaction lots of eye contact, and always lead the interaction. Don't wait move forward. Remember you are the man and she wants you to take the lead. Don't wait on signals. The signal will be she follows your lead or not. Nothing in between. No on the private classes or extended conversations. These are how you get into the friend zone. Matter of fact your goal should be to escalate the interaction to the next level smoothly and quickly.

Remember there is either interest or no interest. Also remember she knows you are married. She is not interested in having long conversations. Hell she may not bite when you try to escalate. That is cool my brother. If she is that hot. She probably gets hit on a dozen times a day. So it is no big deal.

Good luck.

Revvo

[Member #5570]

TravelinSD. That was a great story. I thoroughly enjoyed that.

I must good give you a thumb up for resisting the temptation.

If I were you, during that second dinner, I would have brought her to the back yard and nail her right then and there even if it cost me a whole week of income. LOL

[TravelinSD]

This may not fall into the SB world, but since most guys on here are super paranoid about being seen in public with their SB, I thought you guys might find it amusing.

Shortly after my divorce about 18 months ago the wife of one of my married couple friends invited me to a private dinner hosted by this young chef in town. He's worked at several restaurants in the city and now does private dinners and about once a month does a dinner for about 12-18 people he invites from his email list. He's really quite good and the meal is usually a 5-10 course affair paired with great wines and / or cocktails. The first one the wife took me to was Steak & Whiskey night. 11 courses featuring steak in various forms paired with some great scotch and whiskeys. Incredible!

So I got on the email list and decided to go to the next dinner he had. My friends couldn't go, so I decided to go solo. It's a great vibe at these dinners with a diverse group of people and great socializing. He usually holds them in his house, which has a huge kitchen with two long tables for seating. I get there and start to mingle with the other guests. Then I spot this tall, VERY attractive woman with an incredible body. Nice breasts, long legs and torso, not large. But good size butt. She seems familiar to me, but I just can't place how I know her. We introduce ourselves to each other and the mingling continues. I do manage to finagle a seat beside her when we all sit down for dinner. I start chatting with her and ask, 'What do you do for a living? ' She gives me a quizzical look and whispers to me, 'You know. ' I have never experienced such a flood of memories being unleashed on my psyche in my life! It all came back to me.

Like many on here, before I came to the SB world I was firmly entrenched in the escort world. I had seen this lady probably 5 or 6 times as an escort over a period of 2 or 3 years through two agencies and as and independent. She was actually one of my top 5 experiences. We really hit it off both sexually as well as chemistry-wise when we were together. In my defense, the last time I had seen her was 18 months previous. I had found my SB and she migrated way out my price range and entered the UTR / upper class SB side of things. Also, these dinners are very casual affairs and she was dressed down and had very little makeup on. When I saw her as an escort I was really into the business look. That was one of the things I liked about her and she played that to a T. Skirt, blouse, garters & stockings, great make-up, etc.

She said she recognized me immediately. I however, was at a loss until our conversation. I apologized profusely and we both laughed. I must have really become flushed over the whole thing, because a guy across from us asked what we were talking about since my face was so red. We laughed it off with him and continued on. Nothing more was said between us about it and we enjoyed the rest of the evening socializing as a group.

The next day we did exchange emails and she was very gracious over my faux pas. I was tempted to explore more with her, but knew she was waaay out of my budget range. We left it at that and said we'd probably see each other at one of Chef's future dinners. I went to one other dinner accompanied by the wife of another couple-friends and my escort friend wasn't at that one.

Because of my travel schedule I missed Chef's dinners throughout the rest of the year and this year. Until last Thursday. The original friends who introduced me to Chef's dinners were hosting one at their home. Not only did I decide to go, but also my other friends whose wife I took to the last one also came. It was a beautiful evening and a beautiful setting. My friend's house is a bungalow style on a dead end street in an older neighborhood of the city. They have a huge front porch and have taken the front yard and made a patio out of pavers which is where one long table for 12 was set-up. I arrive and get a cocktail and start talking with my friends. Then, my escort friend shows up. We make eye contact, but we're talking in different groups of folks. Again I end up sitting next to her. There I am, the wife of my closest couple-friends on one side, my escort friend on the other, the wife's husband across from us. Almost all the couples were over 40, the escort friend is early 30's, the hottest thing there and getting attention from all the guys. The wife-friend even made a comment to her husband during dinner that he wasn't paying attention to her conversation with him because he was eyeing the escort friend. Escort friend was being fairly flamboyant and wife friend kept making snide comments to me about her. Here's the best part. I'm taking all of this in. Both of my closest couple friends are there, the wife's comments, the guys eyeing and fawning over her. And the whole time I'm just thinking. 'Out of all of you, I'm the only one who has nailed this hot woman and she's fantastic! ' It was almost an out of body experience.

Good Hunting,

Travelin'

[John Draven]

I say the pasture is as green as you make it. You would think a bigger city would be better, more girls etc. But I talk to girls around the country and it seems that in the smaller areas the girls are literally starving for attention. So don't let that stop you. What city you in?

Hope you are right. I assume that their are college sb to be found..

[John Draven]

JD,

Firstly, if you read back through the entire thread (journal) you will realize we are a national, not local, fraternity, and so comments from the field are welcomed no matter what state you happen to come from. I'm sure there are fantastic babies waiting for you in Michigan, they're just waiting for you to find them. Being from Chicago myself, I sometimes get contacted by POTS from the sunset shore of your fair state, and they are hot. Good luck. If you are anywhere near Ann Arbor, you are set for life, trust me.

That said, your first order of business is to go back to the very first post on this thread, and read through to today, taking notes as you see fit. It will take you a while, but I believe that unlike any other thread on this forum there is a wealth of real, earned knowledge here and not just requests for information about provider X or rants and raves about missed appointments with skanky hookers. (My bias is showing, I know. Peace.)

In short, lace up your boots, get out into the field and do your work, then come back in a week or two with some specific issues and you will find us all more than willing to assist you.

Good luck, and in the immortal words of Brother Revvo, be careful out there.

Scott

I am near the Ann Arbor area. I been taking your advice and rtff. I am low key and contribute when I have value to add. Hope to share my knowledge and eager to explorer the green pasture.

[HollywoodGuy]

GG you are right on. Small adjustments can make a big difference. Be alert watch how they react to your interactions. And make small adjustments. Also pursue women that you do not necessarily want to catch. Use them as experience builders. And also watch how you act when you don't want it so bad. And act that way when you are with the ones you do want. Women really notice this shit. Most guys are clueless. Women are super sensitive to how you behave when you are around them.

I would avoid the double babies for now. Too much to deal with. Keep it simple for now. Master one thing at a time. Build your confidence like Hollywood said. Walk then run. Stumble a little go back to crawling again, then walk then run. Eventually you will be sprinting.

Revvo

I used to pursue girls I didn't want all the time just for the feedback. Excellent advice.