"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Revvo]

Yep, what is that saying? Every woman who decides to talk to you, whether she is single, attached, or married is only deciding on one thing,"Would I fuc* him or not?" When she reaches her answer, usually within 5 minutes, you will know.

Pretty much the way it works. What I am saying is we escalate in a clear way until we get to rejection or acceptance. This is how we all evolved over the millennia. It goes to the core of what we are. I certainly do not have all of the answers but I can tell you being friends between a middle aged married man and a young beautiful woman is not very realistic path to anything but the friend zone.

Be bold, be playful, have fun. That is what she wants A man. She probably already has plenty of friends.

Revvo

[J Martinez]

Yep, what is that saying? Every woman who decides to talk to you, whether she is single, attached, or married is only deciding on one thing,"Would I fuc* him or not?" When she reaches her answer, usually within 5 minutes, you will know.

Hmm. I can't disagree with you more strongly.

[HappyHunter44]

Remember there is either interest or no interest.

Yep, what is that saying? Every woman who decides to talk to you, whether she is single, attached, or married is only deciding on one thing,"Would I fuc* him or not?" When she reaches her answer, usually within 5 minutes, you will know.

[J Martinez]

.I've also been trying to hit up some of the pairs of girls. Has anyone had success with this? I thought it would be great since they might feel more secure as a duo coming over.

I agree with Revvo, keep it simple for now. I get bad vibes with most duos, too much note comparing and they will likely default to the least amount of fun because no one feels special.

[Revvo]

Brothers,

Thank you all for all the great advice. I agree that nothing ventured, nothing gained, and I will be no worse off than I am now. Being in the Bowl has certainly taught me how to talk to HYBs in an easy, flirty but respectful way, and I think I just have to go with that.

Fred, I also am liking the idea of a private class. My one small fear is that I won't be able to do all the poses to the level she will require, and I'll look like the creaky old fossil that I am. Offsetting this is the vision of a sweaty Jenn standing close and touching me to "correct" my posture. It would also give me a chance to talk her up a bit more in private. After class there are always other people milling around, the bastards!

Nostra, I also like the idea of starting a conversation which then gets interrupted, necessitating its continuance at a coffee shop at a later date. I may combine the two and see if I can get a better idea as to whether she is interested or not.

As for pretending I'm not married, that won't fly as I wear a wedding band, and she certainly has seen it. This gives me a small amount of hope, actually. She knows I'm married, so would only be expecting a mistress-type arrangement if things ever got that far. I need to be careful not to move too quickly, as I really don't want to stop going to yoga if things go south and she gets freaked out. On the other hand, if she seems receptive to something outside of class, we both know she is "seeing" a married man, which only leads to one place, the FC, right? Clearly this will take some time to unfold. It is not like an m&g with a baby from SA, where a $3. 00 latte and some joking around will get POTF the next time you are together. On the third hand, how much can a yoga teacher make? Maybe she is looking for some assistance, and the "hints" I have been getting are in fact legit.

In any event, onward! I spent the better part of last night thinking about how awesome it would be to bang that sweet little body, and there's no turning back. Maybe we could do it in the studio, at 110 degrees! Did I mention she has a pierced navel? The mind reels!

Tigg and Bike, great posts. It just goes to show you never know where the pussy can come from.

Scott

Brothers I hate to go against the grain here. But I have to say this is not what I would do. First remember she knows the only reason you are talking to her is because she has a pussy and you want to get into it. And guess what. She probably wants your dick. If you act in a masculine way. And do not try to hide this obvious fact and try to sneak into her pants.

You need to be clear about what you want and tell her what you want. Tell her you want to meet for coffee / smoothie or whatever is the latest trendy drink. Flirt, tease her, touch her, escalate the touching throughout the interaction lots of eye contact, and always lead the interaction. Don't wait move forward. Remember you are the man and she wants you to take the lead. Don't wait on signals. The signal will be she follows your lead or not. Nothing in between. No on the private classes or extended conversations. These are how you get into the friend zone. Matter of fact your goal should be to escalate the interaction to the next level smoothly and quickly.

Remember there is either interest or no interest. Also remember she knows you are married. She is not interested in having long conversations. Hell she may not bite when you try to escalate. That is cool my brother. If she is that hot. She probably gets hit on a dozen times a day. So it is no big deal.

Good luck.

Revvo

[BigTigger]

Hello brothers. Figured I'd log my first progress report.

Plan B. Local bowl.

POT HYB turns into Nando1.

So it seemed initially the local scene wasn't going to generate any potentials, but this one started posting in my area on SA. We started to communicate and found she was planning to relocate to my city and was going to visit in a couple days to look for housing and visit some friends. So when she arrived I arranged to meet her at her hotel and when I got to her room she looked very much the 19 yr old innocent girl she had claimed to be. No makeup and looking she was still waking up, very cute. After about 30 minutes of chatting we sat together in the bed and she started snuggling up to me and in a few minutes more we started making out and that led to my first trip to the FC. Wow, hadn't had such young pussy in a while. She did seem to be less experienced but was pretty vocal about her enjoyment. After we cleaned up and chilled a bit longer I had to get back to work and left her her sugar. Seemed promising. I told her I probably wouldn't see her til she made her move and left it at that. We texted a bit and a couple days later she asked me to see her one more time before she left and it so happened my schedule opened up. So the morning of the second date she texts and asks if she can have a little extra sugar for her hotel and I think ok since I'm hoping I have my first SB.

She moves out here and starts texting for me to see her, but I'm too busy at work. A few days later she texts and asks to borrow 200, but I ignore since I had already told her I was busy. I finally got free a week later and texted her. She starts texting me asking to borrow 2500 for her rental deposit and that's when all the alarm bells and the wisdom of the brotherhood starts screaming my ears. Anyway long story short I questioned her wisdom in renting an expensive place and if she should rethink that decision and reminded her that we still had just met and while I was sympathetic I couldn't loan her the money. Haven't heard from her since, so I'm hoping I successfully dodged a bullet, but hoping I never run into her or she finds my identity. Hopefully she'll find it to expensive here and move back home.

Most of the other potentials locally have turned out to be flaky, but there is one more college SB I'm trying to meet.

Plan A. Arrange for visiting SB's.

Ideally find 2-3 SB's to visit me periodically throughout the year.

This has turned into a much more challenging prospect as I think many girls fear that I'm a creep, flake, or looking for an escort. I've been casting a wide net, but not too much progress. Many girls respond interested but when we get to logistics they stop responding. The ones that are ready to go are asking for 1000 a day and that's too steep. Those are probably pros I imagine.

Do you guys get verified? Do you get a better response?

Any guys with more experience with flying girls to you have any pearls of wisdom?

1. Fly to them first.

2. Meet them on a biz trip.

3. Plan a long weekend on mini vacation and work that area. Sample the goods while there, then fly to the ones you like in. See not STL trip for reference.

[Revvo]

Thanks FScott and Revvo for the advice.

Yes I think I will try to tone it down a bit. I'll be even more measured in my approach I'll have to pick and choose depending on their profiles. Some girls ask for more direct terms and others it's more vague and general. I'll try to vary my approach and see what works and with whom. It's definitely a fine line between the right and wrong impressions. I shall carry on and continue to report my progress. I just have to keep thinking patience. Patience.

I've also been trying to hit up some of the pairs of girls. Has anyone had success with this? I thought it would be great since they might feel more secure as a duo coming over.

GG.

GG you are right on. Small adjustments can make a big difference. Be alert watch how they react to your interactions. And make small adjustments. Also pursue women that you do not necessarily want to catch. Use them as experience builders. And also watch how you act when you don't want it so bad. And act that way when you are with the ones you do want. Women really notice this shit. Most guys are clueless. Women are super sensitive to how you behave when you are around them.

I would avoid the double babies for now. Too much to deal with. Keep it simple for now. Master one thing at a time. Build your confidence like Hollywood said. Walk then run. Stumble a little go back to crawling again, then walk then run. Eventually you will be sprinting.

Revvo

[Revvo]

Isn't that one of the main benefits of the bowl? You don't have to choose! And in your case it sounds like they will both happily oblige whenever you want to boot. I find myself getting excited about the prospects and am thinking of the local college in a whole new light.

What type of resort hotel did you find for $72? It's one of things I'm curious about. Yeah sure, an extended stay dump can be had for cheap, but I don't want to portray that image. If you can "spoil" your baby for a nominal upcharge, it's win win. Where did you find your place? Was it last minute.

In Awe,

HL

Any normal guy with a little extra money that follows this thread and applies the hard won lessons can do this. It does take work and perseverance. It was like a second job for me for a while. Even if you don't have a lot of money you can find one and see her only occasionally. I have one that is 150 per visit no other costs. If I saw her once or twice a month that would only be 300 per month. Most guys with a normal job should be able to afford that.

As for the hotel. I am a little lucky there. I live in an area of Fla. With a lot of hotels of all types and many of them are resort style hotels. This particular one was a very nice 3 star. And then when the slow season comes around like now. There are a hell of a lot of hotel rooms vacant. So the hotels are trying to get occupants. The best deal I ever got. Was for a four star beautiful luxury hotel for $48. Place was almost empty. They did charge 16 per day for parking. But I would recommend using all of the travel sites and also Trivago. It searches all of the travel sites also. Hotels and the travel sites send me specials to my play email address almost daily. I have found that Hotwire and Priceline have the best deals.

Also there is a site called biddingfortravel. Com which tells you the best deals that people have successfully bid on in priceline. Very valuable. Then you know right where to bid at. And yes you are right. It definitely adds to the experience to be able to have a nice FC to fuck in. In fact I would say. The less the baby cares, the more likely she is a pro.

Keep at it. You will get it.

Revvo

[HollywoodGuy]

Thanks FScott and Revvo for the advice.

Yes I think I will try to tone it down a bit. I'll be even more measured in my approach I'll have to pick and choose depending on their profiles. Some girls ask for more direct terms and others it's more vague and general. I'll try to vary my approach and see what works and with whom. It's definitely a fine line between the right and wrong impressions. I shall carry on and continue to report my progress. I just have to keep thinking patience. Patience.

I've also been trying to hit up some of the pairs of girls. Has anyone had success with this? I thought it would be great since they might feel more secure as a duo coming over.

GG.

Start with $200 a visit till you get your confidence up

[Happy Lover]

Well I had two blowjobs this week. One from each of two of my top three regulars and I just am beside myself with the simple pure amazement of the quality of these experiences. Two very different experiences. One was awesome the other one was awesome but which one was more awesome?

First my little Venezuelan baby. We had been fucking and playing and snuggling for a couple of hours on a very awesome session at her apartment and I figured I was spent. But after a little rest I told her not asked her. I want you to suck my cock. A big smile crosses her face. And she jumps up from her curled up position all naked with this perfect tight little spinner body. And slides down between my legs and and hungrily takes my cock in her mouth and goes to town. I mean there was slurping, almost deep throating, I could feel the back of her throat with the head of my dick. She goes down the side. She plays with my balls, she puts my balls in her mouth and slurps on them like an ice cream cone. It was amazing! I was in heaven and when I came I came hard. It was fast and hard and intense. With tons of enthusiasm. When I came she makes a cute little high pitched moan like she just found a shiny piece of jewlery and was so happy with it. Then tells me how great I tasted. And then curls back up next to me and falls asleep. Of course I could not sleep because I was simply astounded. I could not believe a blowjob could be this great. I was wrong. There was another.

This leads me to my little Brazilian Princess. We meet and as usual there is no sugar just food or drinks and an occasional gift. This time her roommate was home so we needed to get a hotel. No problemo. We get to the room at a really nice resort hotel for $72. 00 and she tells me that she is on her period. But not to worry she has things completely in hand. Normally they warn me before the date. But she was literally looking forward to giving me that blowjob. Her words not mine. This was different. It was slow so incredibly slow. She was meticulous, she was eager yet she was deliberate. Work on the head for a while but when things get too heated she would slow down. She would run her perfectly manicured nails down my thighs sending me into Ecstasy. She would play with my balls like and dog plays with his own. Such expertise such skill. I was amazed just watching her. She brought me to the brink a half a dozen times I could not count after a while. When I came she could have made me do anything she wanted and I would have agreed with her. She sucked it down hungrily and then told me how much she loved sucking my cock. And I thanked her for her work. She just giggled and said this is not work when you enjoy it so much. I said well I will be happy to give you joy anytime you want.

Which would you pick? Venezuela or Brazil?

I honestly do not know how much better it could get!

Viva la latinas!

Revvo

Isn't that one of the main benefits of the bowl? You don't have to choose! And in your case it sounds like they will both happily oblige whenever you want to boot. I find myself getting excited about the prospects and am thinking of the local college in a whole new light.

What type of resort hotel did you find for $72? It's one of things I'm curious about. Yeah sure, an extended stay dump can be had for cheap, but I don't want to portray that image. If you can "spoil" your baby for a nominal upcharge, it's win win. Where did you find your place? Was it last minute.

In Awe,

HL

[Gogreen]

Thanks FScott and Revvo for the advice.

Yes I think I will try to tone it down a bit. I'll be even more measured in my approach I'll have to pick and choose depending on their profiles. Some girls ask for more direct terms and others it's more vague and general. I'll try to vary my approach and see what works and with whom. It's definitely a fine line between the right and wrong impressions. I shall carry on and continue to report my progress. I just have to keep thinking patience. Patience.

I've also been trying to hit up some of the pairs of girls. Has anyone had success with this? I thought it would be great since they might feel more secure as a duo coming over.

GG.

Green,

I agree with Rev on your situation. It sounds to me like there is some kind of disconnect between your initial contact and the subsequent emails, and you need to concentrate your efforts there. Try reading back through your messages as if you were a skittish 20 yo baby looking for any reason to bolt, and see if there is anything there that might spook you. Are you coming on too strongly? Do you mention the FC too soon? Maybe don't bring up the whole flying-in thing until the third or fourth exchange, when they hopefully are feeling comfortable with you.

Although having said that, you might want to have one line in your profile text about the concept, something like "if we really have chemistry, I'm happy to fly you in for a weekend of fun." Then don't bring it up again until you have communicated for a bit, and be shy about it. Over-eagerness is the kiss of death in the Bowl, my friend. You must show interest and respect, but not appear desperate. Desperate = Creepy.

Also, the 1000 a day babies are escorts, pure and simple. Even if they're not, who cares? That's not what this whole thing is about. If you are paying top dollar, you may as well stay in the pro arena, and spend your free time doing something else.

As I think about it, I'm guessing you will need to accept a longer lead time, more upfront time, and more work on your part, but I'm predicting once you are able to secure a few solid babies who are committed to the concept, you will be golden. Don't be seduced by tales from brothers (like me I admit) who live in major metropolitan areas and have new babies being born every day. In reality, I can only see two or three of them at a time, so who really cares how many POTS I contact?

In my yoga class, all the teachers say that the only thing that matters is that we do our best with the day and the circumstances we have at hand. Some days are better, some worse, but tomorrow has unlimited potential. Anyone here will truthfully tell you that it takes a couple of months if not more to figure out your personal approach, the follow-up, the seduction and then the maintenance. But once you've got it, it will all get easier.

Keep at it, my brother. As Rev said,"It is an exciting, amazing, electrifying experience. It is also frustrating (and) nerve wracking" to which I would add that there is nothing else like it in the world. Be careful though, as many of us have gotten in too deep once the pussy starts rolling in and found that it takes over our lives. An occasional cleanse is often called for to realign the shakras, or something like that.

In any case, tally ho, and don't forget to write.

Scott

[Revvo]

As you may remember my third regular. My little american girl next door. Is still solidly in the picture and eager to meet any time we can work our schedules which is hard since she is a very busy girl with her work and school.

In addition she has some serious problems with money at the moment. But she has not asked me for a penny. In fact I am to the point where I do not even think I even need to give her sugar each time. But I do. I would never take advantage of this little princess. She is a giver and she deserves every penny and my affection and respect. I have never heard from her the word no.

I have asked her if there is anything I can do for her and she said no. She is so cool. Like my story below. I feel lucky.

I guess loaning a baby money can work out sometimes.

Revvo

[Revvo]

Well I had two blowjobs this week. One from each of two of my top three regulars and I just am beside myself with the simple pure amazement of the quality of these experiences. Two very different experiences. One was awesome the other one was awesome but which one was more awesome?

First my little Venezuelan baby. We had been fucking and playing and snuggling for a couple of hours on a very awesome session at her apartment and I figured I was spent. But after a little rest I told her not asked her. I want you to suck my cock. A big smile crosses her face. And she jumps up from her curled up position all naked with this perfect tight little spinner body. And slides down between my legs and and hungrily takes my cock in her mouth and goes to town. I mean there was slurping, almost deep throating, I could feel the back of her throat with the head of my dick. She goes down the side. She plays with my balls, she puts my balls in her mouth and slurps on them like an ice cream cone. It was amazing! I was in heaven and when I came I came hard. It was fast and hard and intense. With tons of enthusiasm. When I came she makes a cute little high pitched moan like she just found a shiny piece of jewlery and was so happy with it. Then tells me how great I tasted. And then curls back up next to me and falls asleep. Of course I could not sleep because I was simply astounded. I could not believe a blowjob could be this great. I was wrong. There was another.

This leads me to my little Brazilian Princess. We meet and as usual there is no sugar just food or drinks and an occasional gift. This time her roommate was home so we needed to get a hotel. No problemo. We get to the room at a really nice resort hotel for $72. 00 and she tells me that she is on her period. But not to worry she has things completely in hand. Normally they warn me before the date. But she was literally looking forward to giving me that blowjob. Her words not mine. This was different. It was slow so incredibly slow. She was meticulous, she was eager yet she was deliberate. Work on the head for a while but when things get too heated she would slow down. She would run her perfectly manicured nails down my thighs sending me into Ecstasy. She would play with my balls like and dog plays with his own. Such expertise such skill. I was amazed just watching her. She brought me to the brink a half a dozen times I could not count after a while. When I came she could have made me do anything she wanted and I would have agreed with her. She sucked it down hungrily and then told me how much she loved sucking my cock. And I thanked her for her work. She just giggled and said this is not work when you enjoy it so much. I said well I will be happy to give you joy anytime you want.

Which would you pick? Venezuela or Brazil?

I honestly do not know how much better it could get!

Viva la latinas!

Revvo

[F Scott]

Wanted to say hi to everyone and been reading the forum first. Still haven't decided in which site to start. I live out in Michigan, not sure if there that many potential SB compared to Richmond, Virginia area. Only thing I know are the strip clubs here are much better than other states. In terms of extra. Tired of that scene and it is not cheap. Has any one had luck in Michigan? Or are certain states or city provide greener pasture than others?

Looking forward for some guidance and will contribute value back to the forum.

JD,

Firstly, if you read back through the entire thread (journal) you will realize we are a national, not local, fraternity, and so comments from the field are welcomed no matter what state you happen to come from. I'm sure there are fantastic babies waiting for you in Michigan, they're just waiting for you to find them. Being from Chicago myself, I sometimes get contacted by POTS from the sunset shore of your fair state, and they are hot. Good luck. If you are anywhere near Ann Arbor, you are set for life, trust me.

That said, your first order of business is to go back to the very first post on this thread, and read through to today, taking notes as you see fit. It will take you a while, but I believe that unlike any other thread on this forum there is a wealth of real, earned knowledge here and not just requests for information about provider X or rants and raves about missed appointments with skanky hookers. (My bias is showing, I know. Peace.)

In short, lace up your boots, get out into the field and do your work, then come back in a week or two with some specific issues and you will find us all more than willing to assist you.

Good luck, and in the immortal words of Brother Revvo, be careful out there.

Scott

[F Scott]

Plan A. Arrange for visiting SB's.

Ideally find 2-3 SB's to visit me periodically throughout the year.

This has turned into a much more challenging prospect as I think many girls fear that I'm a creep, flake, or looking for an escort. I've been casting a wide net, but not too much progress. Many girls respond interested but when we get to logistics they stop responding. The ones that are ready to go are asking for 1000 a day and that's too steep. Those are probably pros I imagine.

Do you guys get verified? Do you get a better response?

Any guys with more experience with flying girls to you have any pearls of wisdom?

Green,

I agree with Rev on your situation. It sounds to me like there is some kind of disconnect between your initial contact and the subsequent emails, and you need to concentrate your efforts there. Try reading back through your messages as if you were a skittish 20 yo baby looking for any reason to bolt, and see if there is anything there that might spook you. Are you coming on too strongly? Do you mention the FC too soon? Maybe don't bring up the whole flying-in thing until the third or fourth exchange, when they hopefully are feeling comfortable with you.

Although having said that, you might want to have one line in your profile text about the concept, something like "if we really have chemistry, I'm happy to fly you in for a weekend of fun." Then don't bring it up again until you have communicated for a bit, and be shy about it. Over-eagerness is the kiss of death in the Bowl, my friend. You must show interest and respect, but not appear desperate. Desperate = Creepy.

Also, the 1000 a day babies are escorts, pure and simple. Even if they're not, who cares? That's not what this whole thing is about. If you are paying top dollar, you may as well stay in the pro arena, and spend your free time doing something else.

As I think about it, I'm guessing you will need to accept a longer lead time, more upfront time, and more work on your part, but I'm predicting once you are able to secure a few solid babies who are committed to the concept, you will be golden. Don't be seduced by tales from brothers (like me I admit) who live in major metropolitan areas and have new babies being born every day. In reality, I can only see two or three of them at a time, so who really cares how many POTS I contact?

In my yoga class, all the teachers say that the only thing that matters is that we do our best with the day and the circumstances we have at hand. Some days are better, some worse, but tomorrow has unlimited potential. Anyone here will truthfully tell you that it takes a couple of months if not more to figure out your personal approach, the follow-up, the seduction and then the maintenance. But once you've got it, it will all get easier.

Keep at it, my brother. As Rev said, "It is an exciting, amazing, electrifying experience. It is also frustrating (and) nerve wracking" to which I would add that there is nothing else like it in the world. Be careful though, as many of us have gotten in too deep once the pussy starts rolling in and found that it takes over our lives. An occasional cleanse is often called for to realign the shakras, or something like that.

In any case, tally ho, and don't forget to write.

Scott