"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**FredMoore** · 08-22-13 10:41

Shazammm! Just like that the SG dropped Pot# 1 a 20 yr old hottie into my lap who quickly converted to SB #3 She is a WF 9/9/9/10. Caught her posting day 1 with a M&G then straight to the FC within an hour. She is tall, lean, muscular, solid A cup, tight all over, sweet pussy, and appreciative of a pounding. She took me BB and received all I had to give.

The key to newbies is to close the deal quickly without giving them time to work through the 50 proposals that other SDs have proffered. Frequently the 1st in has the edge in this highly competitive market.

SB # 1 and 2 are on deck so should see SB#1 twice #2 once, and # 3 twice more this next 7 days. I can't afford it long term but short term I'm having a ball.

Life is good. I am appreciative

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-21-13 21:59

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

May be too late brother. You can try sitting her down during a quiet moment when the whole money issue is not hanging over your heads. This is very important women feel they don't think. When you negotiate with her she is hearing this guy really does not give a shit about me.

That is why it is important to find a neutral moment to try to take as much of the emotion out of it as you can. Then tell her that you are concerned about the additional money she is asking for and that you "FEEL" like this is excessive. Tell her how much you like her and how fond of her you are and how you want to see her long term. And that you have to limit how much you can give.

Now most likely this will not work. But at this point you need to be looking for someone else anyway. But there is a slim chance it may work.

Trying to figure women out let alone these babies is the road to lunacy.

Get more pots and so you have an abundance mentality. And be ready to make a change.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

If you really want to get into her (or anyone else's head) , read this.

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Magi.../dp/1904424112

**Revvo** · 08-21-13 20:47

Originally Posted by Just757 [View Original Post]

Revvo, I think this is what happened. I could have probably took better care of her. But should I give in to her every demand? Like lets say she keeps asking me to break more bread, I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.

May be too late brother. You can try sitting her down during a quiet moment when the whole money issue is not hanging over your heads. This is very important women feel they don't think. When you negotiate with her she is hearing this guy really does not give a shit about me.

That is why it is important to find a neutral moment to try to take as much of the emotion out of it as you can. Then tell her that you are concerned about the additional money she is asking for and that you "FEEL" like this is excessive. Tell her how much you like her and how fond of her you are and how you want to see her long term. And that you have to limit how much you can give.

Now most likely this will not work. But at this point you need to be looking for someone else anyway. But there is a slim chance it may work.

Trying to figure women out let alone these babies is the road to lunacy.

Get more pots and so you have an abundance mentality. And be ready to make a change.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

**SubCmdr** · 08-21-13 09:56

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

I love porn but find that my use of it is directly related to my ass catching. If I am in a dry spell I watch, if not I don't.

Porn is destructive to intimacy IMHO. It objectifies sex and women in particular. While interesting and instructive to watch it diminishes love making in preference to technique. The HCBs of today get their disconnect between sex and love from the media and hence pop culture. Why do you think the college girls think no more about fucking a random stranger for a few bucks than playing tennis or going to Walmart for a phone card? It's good for us but bad for the future of the Family.

And in this forum, the majority of men here have wives and girlfriends, where they are talking about the best ways to cheat on their partners with women they pay to fuck them is building the overall health and strength of relationships and family.

Is this what this forum has deteriorated too in my absence?

I've had the porn discussion with my ATF. We both like the same kind (interracial: specifically black men fucking white women). When she was with one of her ATF's she had him take a picture (non-sexual) and she sent it to me. I joked that next time take one of them while they were having sex and send it. She asked me if I would really want to see something like that. I said yes. Hey I'm kinky like that. That is when she commented that she like interracial porn. But would not want to see me with another women.

SubCmdr

**BikeRider** · 08-21-13 08:46

Originally Posted by Just757 [View Original Post]

I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.

There won't be a "happy medium" as you put it. She'll keep asking for more until you walk away or make it clear she's not to ask for more.

You need to make it clear to her in a firm, non-negotiating manner that she gets $ (or what ever you've previously agreed) per meeting and no more. If you're afraid to walk away, you've lost any and all negotiating strength.

**Just757** · 08-20-13 23:03

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

I have a little bit different take on this. I believe once you go down the road of negotiations with a woman about her body. It is going downhill from there. Nando 1 or not. 1. Don't get too attached to one SB especially at the beginning. 2. Don't negotiate, there are plenty more out there. Negotiating will lead to at the least hard feelings. And if you want a steady ATF type relationship negotiating will certainly hurt that.

She is probably thinking. I will do what I have to since he won't take care of me.

Revvo

Revvo, I think this is what happened. I could have probably took better care of her. But should I give in to her every demand? Like lets say she keeps asking me to break more bread, I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.

**FredMoore** · 08-20-13 22:59

Originally Posted by Walruscl [View Original Post]

I had a very interesting couple of exchanges with my SB / mistress where she admitted she was up with insomnia so spent the time watching porn. It was a curious of mix of non-chalance plus slight embarrassment. I didn't delve into the topic, although I plan to when we're in a time and place where it seems like it wouldn't induce stress.

But I made the comment that I didn't realize that girls watched porn, and words to the effect that growing up it seemed primarily a "guy thing", and that my SO almost certainly didn't partake. And her response was,"really?"

So has anyone ever had that come up? I know that, for better or worse, porn permeates youth culture and must seriously affect their view of sex in ways it never did in my generation (where it was more of "oh! So *that's* how that works!"). I just figured it was only guys getting their sense of reality skewed. Didn't realize it went both ways.

Any experience with that with the SB's out there? Am I hopelessly naïve?

And as a side-note, tomorrow (plus the next day) is my "freebie". (see my earlier post)

I love porn but find that my use of it is directly related to my ass catching. If I am in a dry spell I watch, if not I don't.

Porn is destructive to intimacy IMHO. It objectifies sex and women in particular. While interesting and instructive to watch it diminishes love making in preference to technique. The HCBs of today get their disconnect between sex and love from the media and hence pop culture. Why do you think the college girls think no more about fucking a random stranger for a few bucks than playing tennis or going to Walmart for a phone card? It's good for us but bad for the future of the Family.

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-20-13 21:48

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Well she did txt me back. Today I picked her up and went straight to the FC. We talked until I felt she was comfortable. We kissed for a few minutes and thats all it took. We were on for the next hour. She is a 7/8. 5/9/9. She originally told me she was shy about the sugar and did stop going on the site as she was creeped out fast. She is definitely a keeper for now at $ per visit. She paid for her own train ticket. A very sweet and quiet girl. Almost too quiet in bed. I asked her to tell me when she was cumming, but I just had to go by what I could feel as she was lost in the moment.

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Just dropped off this one. Saw her 3 times within the last 7 days for $$$ all expenses included. She certainly likes sex but her skills are not all that. This one will have to go to booty call status. I can easily keep her at $ or even less but it's time to do some more interviewing. I have re-evaluated her as a 7/8.5/8/7

She is definitely a FT college student but probably a UTR girl in training as I see she has been on the site everyday for the last few days. And along with some of her behavior a bit suspicious. No big deal, just an observation.

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-20-13 21:43

Originally Posted by Walruscl [View Original Post]

I had a very interesting couple of exchanges with my SB / mistress where she admitted she was up with insomnia so spent the time watching porn. It was a curious of mix of non-chalance plus slight embarrassment. I didn't delve into the topic, although I plan to when we're in a time and place where it seems like it wouldn't induce stress.

But I made the comment that I didn't realize that girls watched porn, and words to the effect that growing up it seemed primarily a "guy thing", and that my SO almost certainly didn't partake. And her response was,"really?"

So has anyone ever had that come up? I know that, for better or worse, porn permeates youth culture and must seriously affect their view of sex in ways it never did in my generation (where it was more of "oh! So *that's* how that works!"). I just figured it was only guys getting their sense of reality skewed. Didn't realize it went both ways.

Any experience with that with the SB's out there? Am I hopelessly naïve?

And as a side-note, tomorrow (plus the next day) is my "freebie". (see my earlier post)

About half of all young girls watch porn if for no other reason than to learn about sex. As they get older I think it tapers off. Although my X SO and I were addicted to it for years.

**Walruscl** · 08-20-13 18:36

I had a very interesting couple of exchanges with my SB / mistress where she admitted she was up with insomnia so spent the time watching porn. It was a curious of mix of non-chalance plus slight embarrassment. I didn't delve into the topic, although I plan to when we're in a time and place where it seems like it wouldn't induce stress.

But I made the comment that I didn't realize that girls watched porn, and words to the effect that growing up it seemed primarily a "guy thing", and that my SO almost certainly didn't partake. And her response was,"really?"

So has anyone ever had that come up? I know that, for better or worse, porn permeates youth culture and must seriously affect their view of sex in ways it never did in my generation (where it was more of "oh! So *that's* how that works!"). I just figured it was only guys getting their sense of reality skewed. Didn't realize it went both ways.

Any experience with that with the SB's out there? Am I hopelessly naïve?

And as a side-note, tomorrow (plus the next day) is my "freebie". (see my earlier post)

**F Scott** · 08-20-13 18:15

Originally Posted by Golfcart [View Original Post]

When a girl tries to sting us I think we should walk away without saying anything. Conversation adds to the drama. Swinging back isn't the answer. We cannot appreciate the pressure the girl must be under to get the point of entering pay for play in the first place. We cannot tell the desperate from the truly unfortunate, from the lazy.

No good comes from trying to hurt anyone.

We should simply walk away. It's better to err on the side of doing no harm. If we can't afford walking away we can't afford being here.

Golfster,

I was looking to see if I could edit your post in the interest of brevity, but pretty much all of it, in my opinion, is relevant, germaine and instructive. I particularly like the "do no harm" admonition. This was Lit's mantra, if I remember correctly. It is sometimes easy to forget that, for the most part, these little fish are civilians who have entered the Bowl for a variety of reasons, sometimes more than one, and may just be experiencing a rough patch in their lives, looking for sexual excitement, or perhaps are in over their heads. One just never knows what the real truth is in any given situation. It is why I take so much effort to winnow out the pros and UTRs, who granted are still people too, but their skin is arguably thicker. Who among us wants to make a baby the same age as our children cry? Better to do no harm and walk away.

If you have been scammed and lost some money, consider it tuition, and learn from your mistakes. If I quit college the first time I got a C, well, I wouldn't have graduated.

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and as always, don't forget to write!

Scott

**Revvo** · 08-20-13 16:21

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

Hey Just 757, sounds like you have landed a Nando 1, and she is just using you as an ATM when she needs a cash infusion. If you want more emotional buy in then she is not the one for you, but if a fuck buddy is acceptable then keep her on the side and continue looking for a "real" SB. Tell her how it has to be since you are the guy with the $$. Yes, they have the pussy but she needs the $$. Tell her 1) no more nagging about money. 2) what her allowance will be. 3) expect to answer your texts within 8 hrs, and 4) hit the road if that doesn't work for her. And be prepared to drop her from your rotation if she defies you. There are plenty more where she came from.

I have a little bit different take on this. I believe once you go down the road of negotiations with a woman about her body. It is going downhill from there. Nando 1 or not. 1. Don't get too attached to one SB especially at the beginning. 2. Don't negotiate, there are plenty more out there. Negotiating will lead to at the least hard feelings. And if you want a steady ATF type relationship negotiating will certainly hurt that.

She is probably thinking. I will do what I have to since he won't take care of me.

Revvo

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-20-13 15:21

Originally Posted by Ron M [View Original Post]

It's just how much are you willing to pay?

I pay $ per visit. Whether its an hour or an overnite. I calculate all expenses into that $, such as food, nails, etc. As I am rarely alone, it does add up.

I have a different arrangement with my roommate as she does get free rent. So my cash out of pocket is far less.

**Golfcart** · 08-20-13 15:09

Originally Posted by KingGreg [View Original Post]

Ron: Thanks but no thanks. If we can't teach lessons to these SBs then they will continue with other brothers of us. This girl can be easily taught a lesson. If I can do that help to my other SD bros then why not. This girl don't have car. And will come with you. I wish I could take her for ride or dinner on some other town (which she can do) and let her take a cab / taxi back. This will definitely tell her. That SDs know her.

When a girl tries to sting us I think we should walk away without saying anything. Conversation adds to the drama. Swinging back isn't the answer. We cannot appreciate the pressure the girl must be under to get the point of entering pay for play in the first place. We cannot tell the desperate from the truly unfortunate, from the lazy.

No good comes from trying to hurt anyone.

We should simply walk away. It's better to err on the side of doing no harm. If we can't afford walking away we can't afford being here.