"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Revvo]

I think we've all been there. You've got this hot young thing that you never thought you'd be able to get, and you don't want to lose her. You want to keep her happy so she keeps YOU happy, and your ego wants to show her that you're the man who can take care of her. What you tend to forget in the heat of the moment, is that this is all an illusion, and from the start it's going to be a temporary thing. So, you have a choice to make: you can give her whatever she asks for up until the point where she breaks the bank (and she will) ; or you can politely but firmly set limits now. You have to be willing to lose her, because someday you're going to. In the meantime you need to make sure you're on terms that you are ok with. I am not saying never give her extras or buy her gifts, but that has to be when you want to, not when she pressures you to, otherwise it will never end. Remember, her replacement probably posted on SA for the first time today.

Dspro said it all here. Do not negotiate it will lead to bad feelings on either her part or yours. And do not give in to her demands because it will not end.

Tell her what you are willing to do and leave it at that. This arrangement will probably go nowhere and if it does it will be costly. Just remember in the time it took me to write this. Five more women signed up for that site. Supply and demand. Get into an abundance situation and this will matter very little.

Revvo

[Dsprdo]

Need help. I met a nice SB that I like. But she is bargaining for school stuff, etc gifts and allowance. I agreed on allowance, then she started can you increase. I am poor bargainer myself. I am now debating what to do with SB.

On hand, a beautiful SB 9/9/9, 20 year old! But she looks like high maintenance, demanding, SB. She asked for etc things after our first meet and I bought some school things. But now. She want me to up the allowance which is already high compared to local market.

In double mind! I personally don't want bargainers. I want a long term with this SB but will shall see.

Like seniors have said, I need to come up with budget. And stick with it.

I think we've all been there. You've got this hot young thing that you never thought you'd be able to get, and you don't want to lose her. You want to keep her happy so she keeps YOU happy, and your ego wants to show her that you're the man who can take care of her. What you tend to forget in the heat of the moment, is that this is all an illusion, and from the start it's going to be a temporary thing. So, you have a choice to make: you can give her whatever she asks for up until the point where she breaks the bank (and she will) ; or you can politely but firmly set limits now. You have to be willing to lose her, because someday you're going to. In the meantime you need to make sure you're on terms that you are ok with. I am not saying never give her extras or buy her gifts, but that has to be when you want to, not when she pressures you to, otherwise it will never end. Remember, her replacement probably posted on SA for the first time today.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Need help. I met a nice SB that I like. But she is bargaining for school stuff, etc gifts and allowance. I agreed on allowance, then she started can you increase. I am poor bargainer myself. I am now debating what to do with SB.

On hand, a beautiful SB 9/9/9, 20 year old! But she looks like high maintenance, demanding, SB. She asked for etc things after our first meet and I bought some school things. But now. She want me to up the allowance which is already high compared to local market.

In double mind! I personally don't want bargainers. I want a long term with this SB but will shall see.

Like seniors have said, I need to come up with budget. And stick with it.

[Revvo]

Sultry POT is now SultryHYB. Drove to her place without calling because her earlier texts she seemed enthusiastic to meet. Halfway there I get a call asking if we are still meeting. I let her know I am already on my way and she says she can't wait. She greets me with a hug and french kissing. I tell her she should eat her breakfast because she will need the energy later. I prepare a mimosa for her and open some wine for myself. We chat for a bit then kiss and heavy petting. My hands tell me she is going commando. It is trimmed and wet. DATY then BBBJ then cover then CG then missionary then legs up. She is a moaner and lets me know each time she cums. Switch to doggie to finish. She is sweaty and gasping laying there. I ask when was her last time. She says she has some toys but it has been over a year since she has been with anyone. We smoke a bit and make plans for tomorrow. She is the only Pot that has stuck so far so I am limited on options but it sure is nice to have an eager 21yr old in awe of you. I felt like college stud again but with more knowledge and staying power. This sure made up for the past week. Like hitting a home run after striking out the last 10 at bat.

I grade her 8/8/9/7. She is young but willing to learn and takes direction well. I do not mind experimenting and exploring a bit more with her.

That's it for now. I hope to a harem eventually but this is a good start.

Take care and have fun.

MoJo

Awesome job brotha. You are very lucky I would say. You found her early on. And in this game you can go from discouraging dry spells. That make you want to give up.

To times of amazing abundance when you are fucking so many you think your dick is going to fall off. I found my best one fairly early on. And I am still looking for one that compares to her.

But have met some other great ones along the way.

Keep up the good work. Now make sure she is locked in.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

[HollywoodGuy]

Sultry POT is now SultryHYB. Drove to her place without calling because her earlier texts she seemed enthusiastic to meet. Halfway there I get a call asking if we are still meeting. I let her know I am already on my way and she says she can't wait. She greets me with a hug and french kissing. I tell her she should eat her breakfast because she will need the energy later. I prepare a mimosa for her and open some wine for myself. We chat for a bit then kiss and heavy petting. My hands tell me she is going commando. It is trimmed and wet. DATY then BBBJ then cover then CG then missionary then legs up. She is a moaner and lets me know each time she cums. Switch to doggie to finish. She is sweaty and gasping laying there. I ask when was her last time. She says she has some toys but it has been over a year since she has been with anyone. We smoke a bit and make plans for tomorrow. She is the only Pot that has stuck so far so I am limited on options but it sure is nice to have an eager 21yr old in awe of you. I felt like college stud again but with more knowledge and staying power. This sure made up for the past week. Like hitting a home run after striking out the last 10 at bat.

I grade her 8/8/9/7. She is young but willing to learn and takes direction well. I do not mind experimenting and exploring a bit more with her.

That's it for now. I hope to a harem eventually but this is a good start.

Take care and have fun.

MoJo

This is a slam dunk. No reason to lose her.

[Revvo]

I've done this a few times, but definitely not exclusive. Surprisingly, most happen on first dates when time is limited and the sexual tension is flowing. I've had all types in the big backseat, but like Hollywood said, I'd not make it my only area. Remember, you are supposed to be an SD, what kind of SD can't afford a room. Even if you can, car dates only come across as cheap and potentially feeling more like a prostitute.

BT

I agree with brotha Tigg on this one. We all want to reduce our costs as much as possible. But if you are bringing a baby back to your "van down by the river" LOL.

Don't expect too much quality or a return visit. You are putting yourself down there In streetwalker territory.

Treat them good brother. And it will pay off in the long run.

Revvo

[MJehl]

Sultry POT is now SultryHYB. Drove to her place without calling because her earlier texts she seemed enthusiastic to meet. Halfway there I get a call asking if we are still meeting. I let her know I am already on my way and she says she can't wait. She greets me with a hug and french kissing. I tell her she should eat her breakfast because she will need the energy later. I prepare a mimosa for her and open some wine for myself. We chat for a bit then kiss and heavy petting. My hands tell me she is going commando. It is trimmed and wet. DATY then BBBJ then cover then CG then missionary then legs up. She is a moaner and lets me know each time she cums. Switch to doggie to finish. She is sweaty and gasping laying there. I ask when was her last time. She says she has some toys but it has been over a year since she has been with anyone. We smoke a bit and make plans for tomorrow. She is the only Pot that has stuck so far so I am limited on options but it sure is nice to have an eager 21yr old in awe of you. I felt like college stud again but with more knowledge and staying power. This sure made up for the past week. Like hitting a home run after striking out the last 10 at bat.

I grade her 8/8/9/7. She is young but willing to learn and takes direction well. I do not mind experimenting and exploring a bit more with her.

That's it for now. I hope to a harem eventually but this is a good start.

Take care and have fun.

MoJo

[BigTigger]

ATF is steady in tow, meeting once to twice a week. No real funds exchanged. I have $$.5 about a month ago, I've done the Tiggabounce at least 4 to 5 times since then. She's more of a gf type. Works for me.

Met MsLatina two days ago, it was a nice time. She did tone down some of her loudness, not all. She's very affectionate and has great orgasms. She's back in the rotation. $

NurseBooty is getting very little attention, but she's still hanging in there. $

2 from my STL trip are ready to fly in.

1 from SC is on the hook to meet and have a hot overnight session.

I've not been on any site for months. Just working with my current TiggaHarem

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Oh probably around the fall I will work on getting at least one from OBC, Tagged and Arrangement Finders. For some reason I get a kick out of having success off every site that I've tried. Some weird ego trip, LOL.

[BigTigger]

Does anyone bang their sugar-babies in the back of a large vehicle? I'm looking into getting a camper van for recreational purposes and I'm thinking this may even become an investment against the cost of hotel rooms --- IF (and this is a big if) sugar babies are comfortable with it.

I've done this a few times, but definitely not exclusive. Surprisingly, most happen on first dates when time is limited and the sexual tension is flowing. I've had all types in the big backseat, but like Hollywood said, I'd not make it my only area. Remember, you are supposed to be an SD, what kind of SD can't afford a room. Even if you can, car dates only come across as cheap and potentially feeling more like a prostitute.

BT

[BigTigger]

Now that is what I call smokin! Almost makes me want to get back out there!

Well she did txt me back. Today I picked her up and went straight to the FC. We talked until I felt she was comfortable. We kissed for a few minutes and thats all it took. We were on for the next hour. She is a 7/8. 5/9/9. She originally told me she was shy about the sugar and did stop going on the site as she was creeped out fast. She is definitely a keeper for now at $ per visit. She paid for her own train ticket. A very sweet and quiet girl. Almost too quiet in bed. I asked her to tell me when she was cumming, but I just had to go by what I could feel as she was lost in the moment.

As I do date mostly spinners, it was a little different being with a normally proportioned girl. She had beautiful C cups. And spinners are always like A's and B's (unless they are fake). Also as I am thin myself I get to pretzel up with the spinners. Things you could never do with a thick girl, but I managed pretty good with this one.

It's so easy to get sex off that site, but it's not so easy to find someone you are truly comfortable with. This is my first new girl in the FC in 3 months and the first girl that will be a repeater in 5 months. After being loyal for so long I just can't take it anymore. I plan on doing a few more interviews as this girl has renewed my attitude for the hunt. It really is a numbers game. I asked her after we were done how long it had been since she had sex (since she seemed so ready). She said 4 months. It's extra nice to know she broke that for me. And there are a lot of lonely skittish girls out there. Real non pros waiting for the right guy. And thats us.

Also I made her fully aware of my 3 babies and showed her pics. She has no problem fitting into my rotation. And appreciated the fact that I was honest.

Like Jerry always says. The final thought. We are gods gift to these girls as they are to us. They are not SW's or escorts. Most of the guys on here I would describe as gentleman. And this is our reward for so many years of being nice guys. Yes we have an edge and some game. And sometimes we play them off. And sometimes they return the favor. But it's all good in the neighborhood.

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[HollywoodGuy]

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5'7'.110 lbs max.

I admit these numbers are low (add 3 to 5 lbs.depending on height to adjust for breast and booty). And in most parts of the country they would be considered anorexic. But this is Hollyood (land of the impossibly thin). My current ATF princess is 5"5' and 100 lbs (pictured). Even my MILF who is 5"5' is only 110 lbs after 5 kids. (she gained 5 lbs since I met her). The numbers could go up depending on bust and hip size, but I prefer small breasts and hips.

My last ATF before the princess was 5"7' and 117 lbs and she was spinnerish. Muscle tone is also a factor as it weighs more than fat. So a very in shape girl can weigh more than an out of shape one yet be smaller. (cookie jars photos are good examples of skinny fat girls). They are malnourished, thin but flabby. not all the time and not ragging on CJ.

I can't spin anyone over 5"7'. LOL. So there are no weight charts. The average runway model is about 5"9' and 115 lbs.

The girl from today was far far away from spinner status. Just a nice healthy girl. I tried to spin her, couldn't really do it. it was more of a careful realigning of the body. She was hard as a rock so that was nice. I like very worked out girls. Gym rat types or they look it. But very few spinners have to work at it, It's genetics.

As I am not that strong I can only comfortably lift 100 to 110 lbs of girl. And I realize beauty is subjective. I also only date ABW as a rule. (anything but white) and i find these girls to be more toned than the white girls who rely more on their ethnicity and pretty face to get by (or if they are all that, they usually have an advanced case of GPS).

It actually blows my mind that even some very average white girls with average looks want $$ a meet.

[FredMoore]

As I do date mostly spinners, it was a little different being with a normally proportioned girl. (Hollywood)

It is funny how our perceptions are different. I also love spinners and I would call this lovely a spinner.

A lot of guys in the club seem to be loving and caring, which belies the fact that most players are cads. These girls should be proud to have a guy like Hollywood and many others here.

[Revvo]

That is an awesome story Hollywood. It shows how important followed and the numbers aspect of this game is.

And when you do get this large numbers it gives you a great pool of babies to follow up with. Or them to follow up with you.

More power to you.

Revvo

[HollywoodGuy]

I found a girl on sd4me about 2 weeks ago that fit my demographic. A 21 year old AA HCB (5'5" 125) on summer break that lived nearby. I haven't done a m&g in about 2 months due to financial constraints and just seeing my regulars. I sent her my m&g letter and she sent me her phone number. I finally followed up yesterday. She had already dropped off the site and said she couldn't remember who I was when I first txted her.

After refreshing her memory she seemed eager as she took the train for 30 minutes to a nearby station. I took her to lunch and she agreed to a 2 hour session for a $. Right at that moment my daughter txted and said she needed to borrow my car to go to the doctor as hers was in the shop. This prevented me from being able to take her back to the train on time. We went back to the car and made out a little, she said I was cute and asked if she was a good kisser.

We agreed to meet later and I took her back to the train station. Later came and went. No txt. So she went from a definite lets do it, to MIA. That is the closest I have come to doing it and then not doing it. Shows you why following up so fast is so important. These newbie girls are very flighty and can get cold feet very fast. Quick follow up is so critical.

Well she did txt me back. Today I picked her up and went straight to the FC. We talked until I felt she was comfortable. We kissed for a few minutes and thats all it took. We were on for the next hour. She is a 7/8.5/9/9. She originally told me she was shy about the sugar and did stop going on the site as she was creeped out fast. She is definitely a keeper for now at $ per visit. She paid for her own train ticket. A very sweet and quiet girl. Almost too quiet in bed. I asked her to tell me when she was cumming, but I just had to go by what I could feel as she was lost in the moment.

As i do date mostly spinners, it was a little different being with a normally proportioned girl. She had beautiful C cups. And spinners are always like A's and B's (unless they are fake). Also as I am thin myself I get to pretzel up with the spinners. Things you could never do with a thick girl, but i managed pretty good with this one.

It's so easy to get sex off that site, but it's not so easy to find someone you are truly comfortable with. This is my first new girl in the FC in 3 months and the first girl that will be a repeater in 5 months. After being loyal for so long I just can't take it anymore. I plan on doing a few more interviews as this girl has renewed my attitude for the hunt. It really is a numbers game. I asked her after we were done how long it had been since she had sex (since she seemed so ready). She said 4 months. It's extra nice to know she broke that for me. And there are a lot of lonely skittish girls out there. Real non pros waiting for the right guy. And thats us.

Also I made her fully aware of my 3 babies and showed her pics. She has no problem fitting into my rotation. And appreciated the fact that I was honest.

Like Jerry always says. The final thought. We are gods gift to these girls as they are to us. They are not SW's or escorts. Most of the guys on here I would describe as gentleman. And this is our reward for so many years of being nice guys. Yes we have an edge and some game. And sometimes we play them off. And sometimes they return the favor. But it's all good in the neighborhood.

[HollywoodGuy]

Does anyone bang their sugar-babies in the back of a large vehicle? I'm looking into getting a camper van for recreational purposes and I'm thinking this may even become an investment against the cost of hotel rooms --- IF (and this is a big if) sugar babies are comfortable with it.

Girls love car dates and adventure. But not everytime. Although I had one babe that refuse to let me get a room. And we only did car dates