"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

ME. Intro Letter to a 19 year old

HER. Well I'll be honest with you, I need financial help. In my opinion its very minor. I do need to pay off student loans. I'm letting you know this because of your last paragraph (which talks about the compensation). I'm not looking for a monthly allowance or anything. But this is important to me.

ME. Yeah. I know those loans are a lot. Nobodies is less than a few thousands. You need a big time SD.

HER. Yea, I need 2 thousand. I've already paid most off, but it isn't easy.

ME. And even if we connected and I saw you once a week. That would only be $400 a month.

HER. Why only $400 a month? Please, explain to me. I've never done this before.

ME. I pay $100 a visit. Whether its an hour or two or the whole day. Plus any normal dating expenses if we go out, like dinner or a movie (except I rarely take them out. And if I do I start to subtract that from the $ per visit). You can get more from some guys, maybe guys you aren't that attracted to. But thats kinda how it works. Guys with game don't pay alot. Just enough so you realize they are serious.

HER. When can we go out? (time to double close)

ME. And yr not a player. Just a sweet nice girl that needs a little help combined with having a good time.

HER. Yea I'm not a player, I've never been and don't know how to be one. I'm just a daddys girl!

ME. Txt me at xxx-xxxx.

For me this is rare. Usually they see my offer and delete it or just say "ok, when can we meet." I do a lot of pre-qualifying in the letter as I do not have time for a lot of chit chat, endless emails, or multiple or failed M&G's. I,d rather wash them out fast (and maybe I do lose a few good ones). but in sales I was taught to look for a friendly handshake. If I have to do a lot of convincing, seriously, it takes the energy out of me. I want a lay down (literally. LOL) BTW. this girl and any girl with an affirmative response has already agreed to some sexual contact to start getting sugared. I will wait to date number two for intercourse if I have to. That's my one giveaway. But I don't think it's a coincidence that all 3 of my current regular SB's went for it on the first date. The chemistry combined with their urgency sealed the deal.

Follow up since I been writing this.

ME. thats the kind of a girl i can appreciate.. i only really date 18 or 19 year old black or mixed girls. Maybe they need to get out of their shell, wanna open up to someone they feel safe with. Like to kiss and cuddle, and of course a lot more with the right guy, a guy that knows what a girl wants and needs.

HER. Well I'm 19 , I mean I like to make out and stuff like that . Lol. of course I like to have sex . I'm not a super freak though , lol . And I'm only shy at first .

ME. I know babe. thats what I,m here for .. to understand those things and be gentle until I don't have to be.

She just txted me

[HollywoodGuy]

In my last report I mentioned a POT who had agreed to $.25 a meet but wanted it in a bi weekly allowance of 500. On her SA profile she was had selected the 3-5K amount. I responded to her request for bi-weekly allowance and told her that I was sorry but I wasn't comfortable with that, to which she has happily (it seems) agreed to the original $.25. We are scheduled for our second meeting with an implied trip to the FC tomorrow. A while back I received a message from a girl in the 5-10k category. I politely replied that she was obviously beyond my budget, and she didn't hesitate before asking me what was my budget. I wasn't really interested so I didn't follow up, but HG is right about ignoring the ridiculous amount on SA.

It's just like on sd4me where they ask for income level and the girls confuse that its supposed to be their income level not the guys.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have been experimenting off and on with just chit chatting a girl first and then when it seems there is some rapport hitting them up with the $ amount. This usually leads to dead silence and a lot of wasted time. I normally put my $ amount in the first message. Much better. I can send out as many messages as I want and then only have to qualify as to personality etc afterwards

[HollywoodGuy]

quick question.

Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?

Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.

Thanks,

greendot card

[BikeRider]

Quick question.

Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?

Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.

Thanks,

I looked into this more than a bit when I re-married. My hope was to find a card that wouldn't show-up on my credit report. Other than a few very shady off-shore cards, it was an epic fail.

The re-loadable ones at CVS etc. Usually have a monthly charge, and they require the SB to register the card etc. The best I found when I looked was American Express' Serve card. The SB still has to register, and you can add Green Dot Money Paks. I double checked just now and they don't have a monthly fee, and there's no ATM fee if you use it within a specific ATM network.

I'm meeting with a POT this week with whom I may set this up if things go well.

[Walruscl]

Quick question.

Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?

Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.

Thanks,

I've been paying cash for Vanilla Visa Gift Cards, which are one-time prepaid debits with a $500 limit. Works well for me, although she has to deal with the "last dollar" problem with the money broken up into discrete chunks across a bunch of gift cards. A bit inconvenient, although she has yet to complain.

If things stay stable after my SB and I both adjust to our new, busier schedules this fall, I'll look into having her get a Green Dot card. It's refillable, has a higher limit, and I can remotely send her money using refill codes I buy with cash. The latter would make going to an allowance a lot easier if that starts to make sense, and dodges the last-dollar problem.

[Member #5570]

Quick question.

Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?

Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.

Thanks,

[ICantGetNo]

The operators are on to something with their verified ID, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified ID service. Did it result in an increase in attention?

I thought the verification was worth it. For any POTs that were hesitant, I would allude that I've been "vetted" and am as legit as you'll get on SA. I think it put more than one SB at ease.

[Dsprdo]

In reality they will take far less. Just ignore it.

In my last report I mentioned a POT who had agreed to $.25 a meet but wanted it in a bi weekly allowance of 500. On her SA profile she was had selected the 3-5K amount. I responded to her request for bi-weekly allowance and told her that I was sorry but I wasn't comfortable with that, to which she has happily (it seems) agreed to the original $.25. We are scheduled for our second meeting with an implied trip to the FC tomorrow. A while back I received a message from a girl in the 5-10k category. I politely replied that she was obviously beyond my budget, and she didn't hesitate before asking me what was my budget. I wasn't really interested so I didn't follow up, but HG is right about ignoring the ridiculous amount on SA.

[HollywoodGuy]

I've been on SD4M since officially entering the bowl about two months ago. I was becoming discouraged by the flakes and nando1's that seem to rule there.

I decided to check-out SA this past weekend, and I'm very glad I did. The caliber of women in general on SA (at least in DC) is MUCH MUCH higher IMHO. The operators are on to something with their verified I'd, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified I'd service. Did it result in an increase in attention?

Also. I should add I've laughed hard more than a few times by seeing what some of the sugar expectations are. $5K. $10k a month. I've been avoiding those profiles since it's a good indication of GPS.

Actually the drop down choices just confuses the girls. They have limited choices for low dollar amounts. If you check the stats on how many choose the lowest option it's a very small number. They are subconsciously being guided to a larger amount than they would have never dreamed of. In reality they will take far less. Just ignore it.

[Walruscl]

But as this plays out, I give it at least even odds that if I told her that I was having trouble keeping the outgoing funds under the radar at home (frankly, an issue I worry about) , she'd agree to whatever new arrangement I offered-even perhaps zero.

I'll qualify the above remark that I have no plans to renege on the original deal unless there was some external factor outside my control. I'm as certain as one can possibly be that the funds are being used for constructive purposes. By happenstance, I was there when she paid her deposit at the local community college last month. So in my earlier musings of the "mistress" category (and as I've mentioned in earlier posts) , I'm quite happy to be giving some financial assistance since by all accounts it appears to be a worthy cause.

[BikeRider]

I've been on SD4M since officially entering the bowl about two months ago. I was becoming discouraged by the flakes and nando1's that seem to rule there.

I decided to check-out SA this past weekend, and I'm very glad I did. The caliber of women in general on SA (at least in DC) is MUCH MUCH higher IMHO. The operators are on to something with their verified I'd, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified I'd service. Did it result in an increase in attention?

Also - I should add I've laughed hard more than a few times by seeing what some of the sugar expectations are ... $5K - $10k a month .... I've been avoiding those profiles since it's a good indication of GPS.

[BikeRider]

Later in the day I happened to be on BP, and whose SA profile pictures did I see but hers (outcall. 50/100/150). I had never seen her post an ad before, so I assume she really did have a pressing bill, but I have chalked this one up to experience as well.

Why meeting a SB at home (even if single) is a bad idea until there's a high degree of trust / comfort built up. If she's desperate enough to resort to BP, then who knows what she'd do knowing where you live!

Glad you lucked out on this one!

[Revvo]

Great to see so many new guys. Love the stories. Been on vacation myself and trying to back off any new prospects for now. I have been told by more than one veteran on here not to burn the candle too much.

On the hotels I always wait to book it at the time of the date with a new one and I like to use Trivago or Hotwire. Had good luck with both of them. Of course if it is a reliable baby then I can book in advance.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[Walruscl]

So I still feel like I have been smiled upon by angels. My one-and-only SB is as sweet, attractive, eager-to-please, sensual, and voracious as ever. Last week we had a FC session that was five hours long, which was only briefly interrupted by some much-needed breaks and a couple of showers. And afterwards she was thanking *me* over text, with adjectives like "mind-blowing" liberally applied.

The Time Machine effect is simply stunning, and I feel like I've been transported to the college experience I wish I'd gotten but obviously never did. Even in the best of times with my SO, a five hour session with three pops for me and "I lost count" for her? I never even remotely considered something like that to be possible.

This weekend I had carefully arranged to be able to do an overnight, a rarity given my family schedule. Last-minute she contacted me that a chronic medical issue she's been having cropped up again and she was concerned she wouldn't be able to "perform". A perfect storm of the miscommunication-via-text, an inability to arrange a time to talk over the phone to mitigate the damage texting was causing, and a really bad workday for her almost nixed the whole thing.

In the end we managed to sort it all out. To help take any unclear expectations off the table, I offered that we could keep intimate activities to a minimum and skip the sugar if that made her feel more comfortable-she had repeatedly offered the latter so I took the hint. And boy what a weekend: dinner, a romantic walk-along-the-river, movie, then to bed. Our vow of celibacy crumbled pretty damned quick, and any concern of performance issues were quickly discovered to be baseless. Right up there with our previous encounter.

The kicker was in the end. Since this encounter turned out to be as intimate as ever, I decided to give her the token present I had already wrapped, which also contained the sugar. She balked, and after explaining my reasoning I offered that she could think it over and decide whether to keep it or not, whatever was most in her comfort zone. She later texted me that she had meant to give it back, didn't want the sugar to be part of this weekend's experience, and to not bring anything next time we meet. Uh, wow.

So I've been thinking about the nature of the relationship. While the baseline arrangement is a SD / SB pay-for-play, it reminds me more of what back-in-the-day would be called a "mistress". The latter often included financial help, if perhaps not as clearly defined as it is with SD / SB. But as this plays out, I give it at least even odds that if I told her that I was having trouble keeping the outgoing funds under the radar at home (frankly, an issue I worry about) , she'd agree to whatever new arrangement I offered-even perhaps zero.

While this may be angels-on-the-head-of-pin, where does she stop being a SB and start being a mistress?

To that point, I have no desire or plans to build a cadre of SB's-I can barely manage just one, and right now I'm damned happy with what I get out of this deal. While she could turn out to be an Oscar-worthy actress, all signs indicate that she's grateful for the financial help but really isn't in this for the sugar. She seems to get much more out of the companionship with a kind and mature individual, the emotional connection and support, the life-coaching and mentoring I provide, not to mention the "mind-blowing" sex.

What an interesting trip this has been so far.

As Revvo says,"be careful out there". To which I add, be more careful than me.