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[Member #5260]

This tactic isn't limited to dining places. Over that last few months I had a great experience with a young lady from my local UDF. Being a creature of habit, I stop and get gas every Monday and Thursday, and I never pay at the pump as I usually go in for a Monster, pack of gum, etc. For the first few weeks this lady started working there, she was amazed that I would pump $100 each time, and still not usually have a full tank. (I drive a beast with a 36 gallon tank.)

About two months ago she jokingly asked how she could get a job wherever it is I work, so she could afford to have $200 / week just for gas, and I mentioned she would need to attend school for quite a few years, but that anything was possible. A week later, she asked if my truck was a "Platinum", and I confirmed. Then she asked if she could take a look at it, as her fiancé had mentioned it was his dream truck."Sure thing!"

One week later, she made another comment about spending $100 per fill up, and how she needed a better job. I lightly threw out a comment like Todd's above, and after 3 days or so of mulling it over. She now gets a fill up or two taken care of on a somewhat regular basis.

I'm not sure how long it will last, but I figure if it begins to get stale from my end. There are plenty of other UDF's. Just as there are plenty of ladies who may not even know how fun earning a tank of gas, money for tattoos, etc. Can be.

Is she looking to pick up more customers to fill her tank or fill wherever?

[Gray0630]

3.) Then say,"Wow, what you need is to win the lottery, or maybe find a sugar daddy." Mention the lottery so that it won't be too obvious. You can also talk about a female "friend" who had a sugar daddy. Once again, it is important to be light, casual, etc. A light, non-threatening tonality and body language are very important.

This tactic isn't limited to dining places. Over that last few months I had a great experience with a young lady from my local UDF. Being a creature of habit, I stop and get gas every Monday and Thursday, and I never pay at the pump as I usually go in for a Monster, pack of gum, etc. For the first few weeks this lady started working there, she was amazed that I would pump $100 each time, and still not usually have a full tank. (I drive a beast with a 36 gallon tank.)

About two months ago she jokingly asked how she could get a job wherever it is I work, so she could afford to have $200 / week just for gas, and I mentioned she would need to attend school for quite a few years, but that anything was possible. A week later, she asked if my truck was a "Platinum", and I confirmed. Then she asked if she could take a look at it, as her fiancé had mentioned it was his dream truck."Sure thing!"

One week later, she made another comment about spending $100 per fill up, and how she needed a better job. I lightly threw out a comment like Todd's above, and after 3 days or so of mulling it over. She now gets a fill up or two taken care of on a somewhat regular basis.

I'm not sure how long it will last, but I figure if it begins to get stale from my end. There are plenty of other UDF's. Just as there are plenty of ladies who may not even know how fun earning a tank of gas, money for tattoos, etc. Can be.

[Festellung]

I agree that we need a dedicated thread for this topic.

The hobby (as it exists here) is not going to fulfill your fantasy of sleeping with the college girl next door for cash. Most escorts (even the younger / prettier ones) have some rough edges. Most of them (even the ones we all like) are here because of some serious personal issues. At least half of them become cold and businesslike after doing this for a while. The few who are truly "the girl next door" typically don't stay in the business for long. The sugar daddy thing is not going to work for the guy who wants to get off on his lunch hour *today* for $50 or $100.

Todd,

I agree that a thread dedicated to the topic of non-typical escorts, and non-typical patrons, could be an active one here on USASG. While the standard protocol seems to be one of practically immediate gratification, that's not everyone's preference. For myself, an ideal situation would be much more like a "fling" than a transaction, ideally envisioned as a few days or even a week of travel with a companion who is more-or-less a peer in terms of interests, education, experience and even age (please, no women under 35). The trick is in making that a finite encounter, a few days and then we go our separate ways having mutual benefit.

Anyway, thanks for taking on the conversation; you make some excellent points.

[SimonPieMan]

I received a private message from one of you regarding my last post. Since my last post was big on claims but low on specifics, I thought I would answer it in the general forum:

"Hey TC. I was intrigued by your "thinking outside the box" post & wanted to ask more about how you get waitresses to agree to a "play for pay" arrangement?

I mean, I flirt with waitresses, but it seems like a risky jump to go from regular flirting to saying there's a way you can make some really good money. And I assume you're better off trying this at lower end places like Frisch's?

Would love to hear more about how you pull it off, if you're willing to share. Thanks!"

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I have developed a systematic plan for doing this, and I am willing to share:

1.) I generally choose mid-range restaurants like Bob Evans, Frisch's, (and once a Subway). I don't think the restaurant is important, so long as it is someplace that you don't mind eating at. Nor is it necessary to eat there for an entire year before broaching the topic.

I usually eat there a few times, so that she is used to seeing my face, and there is some mutual familiarity established. But again, we aren't talking six months or a year. Two to five visits is usually sufficient.

During your first few visits, be talkative, but not flirty. Just be nice and polite. Pretend that you're talking to a female colleague at work, or a friend's wife or sister. Once she is generally comfortable with you, move on to step number 2.

2.) Use the following openers to get the waitress to talk about her financial situation: Ask if she is in school, then commiserate,"Wow, tuition is really expensive nowadays!" You can also talk about the economy, etc. Anything to get her to acknowledge that it would be nice to have some extra money. (Important: Do *not* be sexual at all, in your tone, words, or body language.) Just get her on the general subject of money. Most waitresses are not making six-figure salaries, so this isn't hard to do.

3.) Then say,"Wow, what you need is to win the lottery, or maybe find a sugar daddy." Mention the lottery so that it won't be too obvious. You can also talk about a female "friend" who had a sugar daddy. Once again, it is important to be light, casual, etc. A light, non-threatening tonality and body language are very important.

If she shows any sign of offense at step number 3, then you have complete plausible deniability. If she says something like,"Well, I would never do that!" then you simply shrug and drop the subject. After all, you were speaking in a completely hypothetical context.

4.) If she says,"What's that (a sugar daddy)?" then you say,"that's like having an arrangement with a guy who has money." If she otherwise expresses interest, then your next step is to say (in a half-joking tone),"Well, why don't you give me your phone number, maybe we could work something out?" You still have plausible deniability at this point, mind you: If she freaks, then you were "just kidding" or "talking about your friend".

5.) Discuss the details of the arrangement outside the restaurant, once you have her phone number. (This can usually be done on the phone.) Say that you want someone who "will come over and visit" you on occasion for X amount of dollars. Emphasize that the arrangement is mutually beneficial, respectful, and confidential.

Important: Do *not* mention hobbyist terms like FS, BBJ, etc. She will be able to put two and two together. As before, keep your tone light, casual, and non-threatening. If she asks "what occurs during a visit?" (this question *does* come up) say,"Well, I have plenty of friends; what I'm looking for is female companionship."

Note: The above steps represent a simplified version of the routine, not a word-for-word script. You'll need to make variations for rapport, as well as how much small talk you think is appropriate.

That is all.

[Todd Cincy]

I agree that we need a dedicated thread for this topic. (It already exists in several USASG city forums.) I don't know how to do this, though. But this is now a bona fide part of the hobby universe, along with Craig's List and the strip bars. As you say, mention of specific individuals' info would be a no-no. But we could exchange general information and tips.

Now for your main questions: I usually offer around $200, sometimes $250 or $300. Keep in mind, we're talking about non-pro women who are attractive. I have discriminating tastes. I like college-girl types. And as I mentioned before, I'm in my mid-40s. I am not boyfriend material for a 21-year-old.

Nor am I a debonair George Clooney-type middle age man. Realistically speaking, hot young 20-somethings are not going to sleep with me without some financial incentive.

However, I do have persuasive social skills, and I know how to bring this topic up without getting overtly sexual or coming across as "creepy". (I worked in sales for years, and I think that helps.) I would say that developing a non-sexual, non-creepy pitch that you can deliver with confidence is 90% of the battle.

The less you mention the sex, the better. This also protects you from LE. You are not paying for sex. You are financially helping a "friends with benefits".

Many young women are familiar with the concept of the sugar daddy / sugar baby relationship. (Google "sugar baby", and you can find places where young women are exchanging info about this.) So you don't have to explain the basic concept to at least 50% of them.

That having been said, there is still a place for the straightforward escorts. I like to play in both worlds.

The hobby (as it exists here) is not going to fulfill your fantasy of sleeping with the college girl next door for cash. Most escorts (even the younger / prettier ones) have some rough edges. Most of them (even the ones we all like) are here because of some serious personal issues. At least half of them become cold and businesslike after doing this for a while. The few who are truly "the girl next door" typically don't stay in the business for long.

On the other hand, to recruit a non-pro, you have to be willing to jump through some of the hoops associated with "dating". That means that you have to develop a pitch, put yourself out there, and risk rejection. You have to go through a process. Many of *us* are here because we wanted to avoid dating, or because we weren't so good at conventional relationships with women. The sugar daddy thing is not going to work for the guy who wants to get off on his lunch hour *today* for $50 or $100.

This is interesting. Thanks for the insight!

I think this should be in it's own thread dedicated to finding non-pros. Not to share names / locations, but more to share techniques and general stories of success and failure. I don't think that names / specific locations should ever be used.

I'm curious how you decide what amount of assistance to offer?

I would guess it is no more than what you'd pay an average-priced provider here, but I could see it being less. I am sure there would be a "too low" amount that would flip the switch from "sugar baby" to "cheap slapper".

I am also wondering if these ladies would've "worked" for free, and if you paid when you might not have needed to.

I wonder too if they would "work" for other services in trade, given that it isn't a cold transaction.

For this to work, I would guess she has to see it as a casual hook-up with the added benefit of her getting some assistance. I would guess that from her perspective, she's not a "working girl" and she doesn't have to justify to herself what she's doing. She just met a friendly guy she has some casual sex with, and he gives her money because he has money and she needs it. The two things are unrelated. Perhaps you are more direct about it.

I can see this becoming a problem, when, after a while she just asks for some help without giving you anything in trade. Hell, this is something providers do and have done to guys when

[Todd Cincy]

I received a private message from one of you regarding my last post. Since my last post was big on claims but low on specifics, I thought I would answer it in the general forum:

"Hey TC. I was intrigued by your "thinking outside the box" post & wanted to ask more about how you get waitresses to agree to a "play for pay" arrangement?

I mean, I flirt with waitresses, but it seems like a risky jump to go from regular flirting to saying there's a way you can make some really good money. And I assume you're better off trying this at lower end places like Frisch's?

Would love to hear more about how you pull it off, if you're willing to share. Thanks!"

*

I have developed a systematic plan for doing this, and I am willing to share:

1.) I generally choose mid-range restaurants like Bob Evans, Frisch's, (and once a Subway). I don't think the restaurant is important, so long as it is someplace that you don't mind eating at. Nor is it necessary to eat there for an entire year before broaching the topic.

I usually eat there a few times, so that she is used to seeing my face, and there is some mutual familiarity established. But again, we aren't talking six months or a year. Two to five visits is usually sufficient.

During your first few visits, be talkative, but not flirty. Just be nice and polite. Pretend that you're talking to a female colleague at work, or a friend's wife or sister. Once she is generally comfortable with you, move on to step number 2.


2.) Use the following openers to get the waitress to talk about her financial situation: Ask if she is in school, then commiserate,"Wow, tuition is really expensive nowadays!" You can also talk about the economy, etc. Anything to get her to acknowledge that it would be nice to have some extra money. (Important: Do *not* be sexual at all, in your tone, words, or body language.) Just get her on the general subject of money. Most waitresses are not making six-figure salaries, so this isn't hard to do.

3.) Then say,"Wow, what you need is to win the lottery, or maybe find a sugar daddy." Mention the lottery so that it won't be too obvious. You can also talk about a female "friend" who had a sugar daddy. Once again, it is important to be light, casual, etc. A light, non-threatening tonality and body language are very important.

If she shows any sign of offense at step number 3, then you have complete plausible deniability. If she says something like,"Well, I would never do that!" then you simply shrug and drop the subject. After all, you were speaking in a completely hypothetical context.

4.) If she says,"What's that (a sugar daddy)?" then you say,"that's like having an arrangement with a guy who has money." If she otherwise expresses interest, then your next step is to say (in a half-joking tone),"Well, why don't you give me your phone number, maybe we could work something out?" You still have plausible deniability at this point, mind you: If she freaks, then you were "just kidding" or "talking about your friend".

5.) Discuss the details of the arrangement outside the restaurant, once you have her phone number. (This can usually be done on the phone.) Say that you want someone who "will come over and visit" you on occasion for X amount of dollars. Emphasize that the arrangement is mutually beneficial, respectful, and confidential.

Important: Do *not* mention hobbyist terms like FS, BBJ, etc. She will be able to put two and two together. As before, keep your tone light, casual, and non-threatening. If she asks "what occurs during a visit?" (this question *does* come up) say, "Well, I have plenty of friends; what I'm looking for is female companionship."

Note: The above steps represent a simplified version of the routine, not a word-for-word script. You'll need to make variations for rapport, as well as how much small talk you think is appropriate.

[Todd Cincy]

Good question, Festellung. Although this topic has gotten me into trouble before, I'll give it a shot.

There seems to be a conviction (among some) here that your only choices are to settle for overweight, middle-aged drug users, or spend "thousands of dollars" on a young woman who is drug-free, fit, and "conventionally attractive". I'm sorry to say, but a lot of hobbyists are paralyzed by their low expectations.

You *will* have to pay a little more than the HH rate of $60, but you won't need to part with thousands of dollars. Please internalize this fact: You can and *should* have top quality for $200 to $300. (There should *never* be any reason to spend more than $300.)

Might I suggest, to begin with, Discreet Desires of Dayton? (http://www.discreetdesires.org). I would also recommend Fantasy's in Kentucky (http://kentuckyescorts.net/main.html) Both of these services are legit, and will cost you only slightly more than the upper end of the market rate here. Someone else mentioned Apres Vous. This agency is legit, but they only occasionally send ladies to this area.

Also, I would suggest that there is a a lot of variation *here. Shelly19, for example, looks pretty good to me, and her prices are reasonable (last time I checked, anyway).

But if quality and "the girl-next-door" is your ultimate goal, then you might want to consider an "outside-the-box" solution.

If you are reasonably good looking, you might try some of the sugar daddy dating sites. These sites won't get you a woman at your door in the next 30 minutes, but you *can* find an attractive, fit, young woman who will enter into an arrangement with you, for about the same per-meeting cost as an escort (and sometimes even less). This route requires some patience and some social skills, but the results are worth it. There are a *lot* of women who would never consider becoming an escort, but who will take cash for companionship if the offer is made with finesse.

I've also recruited "sugar babies" off Match. Com, believe it or not. I paid $200 per meeting for 29-year-old nurse who had the body of an aerobics instructor.

My suggestion here is to hit the single moms on the site (Match) with a vague offer of a "mutually beneficial arrangement".

Most women will ignore these emails, a few will respond angrily, but once in while one will reply with interest. I've had two arrangements off Match, with women that are of the caliber you describe. (And I am in my mid-40s and *definitely* no Brad Pitt, *very* average-looking.)

I've also worked out arrangements with a few waitresses over the years. This is a bit more time-consuming and requires some nerve. But again, it does *not* require thousands of dollars.

My observation is that Generation Y women (those born after about 1985) are lot more open-minded in these matters. Remember, these are women who grew up with porn on the Internet, hook-ups, etc. They aren't like the uptight Reagan-era women we grew up with.

But never, ever pay an excessive amount of money. There are too many options on the market nowadays.

Does anyone know where or how one would find an elite escort in greater Cincinnati, one with an Ivy League or at least post-graduate education and finishing school Polish, one who is absolutely drug-free (and always has been) , one who is entirely dignified, upscale and drama-free, patrician and gorgeous, who chose being a courtesan simply for the adventure?

I'm not necessarily looking for an individual, but rather for direction on where or how to find such a companion.

Private replies welcome, and Thanks!

[JLurker35]

Contacted EE Sunday and was very pleased with the prompt service and excellent directions. (no gps) Melea was as reviewed, everything on the menu as advertised. You'll note GFE and dfk are not listed. Definitely felt the distance but that didn't bother me as I was expecting it from the previous reports thanks guys and thanks again EE.

[BigMack]

She just posted in the past few days

And totally dedicated to completely satisfying you and putting a smile on your face and a wrinkle in your dinkle LOL Not to be missed and even better if and when she runs a special. Run don't walk to this one The closest thing to a PSE without getting there but you will be a VERY HAPPY MAN. Help me Rhonda is quite the lady

[KnShelton]

Hi guys! It's Karma. I'm still fairly new to all this and was wondering how things were going. If anyone knows of any review of me can you please copy and PM them to me? I know there are a couple out there on this site. But I would appreciate any feedback that can be provided. Also, what are some other review sites other than this one? Any info that can be provided please PM to me. I want to be discreet about this. Thank you all very much! Happy Hunting! .

[HotnCoolPk]

Tried to set up a date with new EE's girl Maddee. She went AWOL on the time agreed. EE's guy was kind enough to apologize. Was really looking forward to meeting her but went home with blue balls.

One of few mongers must be lucky who had a chance meeting her.

[GolfGuy]

I haven't seen Rhonda ad's on here. Has anyone seen Rhonda, she give a great massage and special happy ending. Love to hair about her.

She just posted in the past few days

[AlfReady]

I've mongered here for a bit, had mostly good experiences based on the brother's help. Here's a word back atcha brothers. Go to see Little Sexy Me.

It's that simple, The pics are right on. I'm too old to perv on some young bait, and sometimes you want a dance partner who knows a little more about how to please a man.

I dreamt of seeing LSM for a long time, and wasted time and cash on others. (sorry girls, I'm off the market)

This is one spinner MILF that is the total package of looks and enthusiasm. She 'Aims to please' and definitley NOT a clock watcher. Her new place is freshly painted and about 1/2 moved in. Clean and VERY safe. Before I arrived she texted me about what 'look' l like, and when told her; she asked which color-LOL. From the moment I walked in the door it was warm and friendly behavior.

She is the smoking hot MILF next door, with a rocking hard body, very nice set of bolt on's, Complete GFE / PSE. After I thought I was done she asked for more, and after that I offered her more DATY (for her), which she really seemed to enjoy as much as I did.

It was nice that even after we took way more than our allowed time, and after I showered, we sat and chatted for a while. I will be enjoying her company again.

Look for post #4951 she doen't post as much as others around here.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh.=1#post1815243

[WhatYou2]

I haven't seen Rhonda ad's on here. Has anyone seen Rhonda, she give a great massage and special happy ending. Love to hair about her.

[WarlockKy]

I have found the same thing in that the girls on some of the pricier sites are not much different. I worked in the casino business for many years and the girls you are talking about role with CEOs. I personally knew two and they were getting paid 10, 000 a weekend. But they looked like Cindy Crawford and Michelle Pfeiffer. And they were class acts, you could introduce them to your mother. But an hour with them went for no less than 1,000.

Marie Ashley & Amy Taylor come to mind from that group back in the day.

Usually the only time you find one of them in this area is if they are just passing through or live here UTR.

Or if you get really lucky and find one that was a Fortune 100 CEO's regular arm candy suddenly having to come up with $250 for airfare because Daddy just got axed.

And no longer has the company plane.

It happens, cost for 4 hrs of incall playtime, dinner and airfare was such a deal for six bills. I should have bought a lottery ticket that night.