"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 06-12-13 03:13

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

HG,

We're talking about their quirks, not yours LOL! Seriously, though, very good list.

As for whether I am obsessed or not, honestly, since I lost my long-term ATF almost a year ago, I have been obsessed with finding a replacement. For me personally, my goal is to settle down with one, maybe two, babies with whom I have the Total Connection. Looks, personality, intelligence, interests, sex drive. And then just focus on enjoying myself. If it means that I have to run through a dozen or more TBs, Temporary Babies, to get to the promised land, I'm ok with that. Again, for me it is not the restless search for the next Shiny New Baby that sends me to my laptop every morning, but rather the hope that I can find a couple of babies that will allow me to stop.

Perhaps oversharing,

Scott

I guess the quirk is they do seem to have higher than normal substance abuse issues.

**USAtrak23** · 06-12-13 01:31

Where is the key for the abbreviations in this thread? I don't see them in the official abbreviations list up top, and haven't come across them reading from the beginning yet, but also can't help reading the new stuff too.

FC & POT?

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**Golfcart** · 06-12-13 00:09

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

**** Another subject is Quirks. I have noticed within my group of SB's that I have contact with over the months, there are a cacophony of strange quirks among them. Here are a few that I have noticed: **** Anyway what quirks have you guys seen? Revvo

One girl claimed to see ghosts. I played along. Another was into metaphysics big time. She worked in one of those bookstores, put on seminars and the like. I decided there was something to that but I didn't do her long enough for metaphysics to hold my interest.

**AliasSM** · 06-11-13 23:49

It's been a while since I last posted, so have to apologize to all of the frequent posters on this board that keep the stories going. I read EVERY day, without fail. It's become my primary source of entertainment, when I not chasing a new SB anyway.

I have several things to get off my chest. Just will make me feel better to vent a little, so sorry to bore you with the frustrating details of my recent search, but need to anyway.

My long term HCB of about 8 months recently graduated college and I thought it might result in more FC time. But apparently she has found a "real" BF and is done with the SB world for now. Most of you hav ebeen through this already and shared on this board, so I thought I was prepared for this day, but it still was a hard thing to go through. So much for NSA relationships. And I really didn't think I was that type to become attached.

So I hopped back on the SA site about a month ago and sent out the normal 25-30 emails. My results have been mixed:

Good news stories first.

- 2 trips to the FC with 2 different SBs. One is a 20 year old single AA MILF that still lives at home and works fast food for a living trying to support her baby. The other a 25 year old divorced Native American MILF that also lives at home and has been in a previous SB relationship for several years. I don't see either as long-term relationships, but want to stay in touch for the occasional booty call when someone flakes on me at the last minute.

-I've also had 2 trips to the FC with a young AA 18 year old that is just graduating high school this year. She is a strong 6-7 on the looks scale, but scares me for a long term relationship because she is just too clingy afterwards. She is big into txt messages several times a day, and is just too into the emotional attachment stuff for my comfort level. Sometimes I think she is really looking for a real BF and I just don't understand why she would be interested in something serious with someone almost 42 years her senior.

Now for the frustrating part:

-I has a M&G with a solid 9. 5 last week that went well. She was scheduled to meet me again a few days later, and we had been through the whole "expectations" discussion. When the discussion came to allowance, she was not good with my first offer of $.5 per meeting. I then countered with $$ per meeting and she basically told me that she would not meet for that becasue she wasn't just an escort. She definitely had the GPS image of her net worth. When I tried to find out what she would actually need to meet, I discovered that her previous SD was paying her a $1500 per month allowance to meet him at his beach house for one weekend a month. He apparently died recently and she was new to the SA site looking for her next sucker. I'm amazed sometimes. 20 years old and has already killed off one SD at her young age and looking for the second. She is obvioulsy out of my price range, but I would have gone $$$ once just to try her out. She was that hot.

-I was going on travel last week and told the warden that I had to leaving a day before I did. I rented a local hotel and set up a meeting with a new pot that seemed like a 75% chance of going to the FC on the first meet. She was 20, AA, underemployed, and already agreed to $.5 per visit and was comfortable with the physical part of an arrangement. She txts me 30 minutes before the meet and told me her ride fell through. When I offered to pick her up at her house, she told me fine but she would like me to come in to meet her family when I got there. In other words. She flaked on me at the last minute and left me with the dreaded blue-ball syndrym. I was frantically calling backups for 2 solid hours, even contacting girls that I had cut it off with months before just to hook up for something. Luckily, one came through about about 3 hours of txting and I was able to at least meet with one of my not-so ATFs from the past. Moral of the story is to keep your black book handy just in case.

-I have never had much luck on travel, unlike what many of you have reported. But while out of town for 3 days I set up 2 M&Gs with hot looking young things in the town I was visiting. The first sounded like a sure thing, but txt'd me about an hour before we were to actually meet and told me her car has a flat tire (heard that one before?). The other lost radio contact after first telling me that she would love to set something up while I was here.

-I still have one promising pot from my original list of 25 emails before I have exhausted my 30 day membership. I have been through a M&G with her already and things went well. She is a 20 yr old AA that is in college but working full time now during the summer months. She seems to understand the FC concept and we have agreed on allowance. We are scheduled to meet this Thursday and she knows that the FC is a necessity before any allowance is forthcoming. My only concern is that she is REAL slow to return txts at this point, and that worries me that she is getting cold feet. I don't know if I can stand another one flaking on me at this point.

This hobby is TOUGH sometimes. Thanks for allowing me to vent. Still searching for now, so wish me luck on Thursday.

**Walruscl** · 06-11-13 19:48

So I've got my first real SB. She's a total sweetheart, our personalities match like a glove, she's got a serious crush on me. I am basking in the badly-needed attention. She is also sexually voracious-I have had nothing close to this kind of experience in bed. Her body is a perfect 10 in my book.

We text every day, often 100+ messages. She knows my family situation, understands that I'm not giving it up, and has enough info over text to respect the care, love, and effort that I put into my very challenging family life. The only downside is she's young, and I'm a little concerned that when the puppy-love dries up it might be unsustainable. But for now I'm enjoying the ride.

I know this is attitude is very different than a lot of others on the board-but I can barely handle a single SB, and the GF dynamic is very appealing and jives with my personality. I fully realize that I may pay for this emotionally down the road.

So, in the can-anything-else-go-wrong dept.

For various reasons the first two encounters were oral-only. With which I had no quams since she knows the art of the prolonging the experience, and she thoroughly enjoys herself. But now we had the time and space to really spend some quality time together.

Since I'm a daytime-only guy, hotels are a challenge. What I really want is to saunter in at 9AM and request a room, but that's going to be seriously hit or miss. So I went the extra mile this time, travelled to the hotel the previous afternoon, checked in, and left an overnight bag with just-in-case spare clothing (and other "necessities"). As a classy touch I also put a bag of nice locally-made chocolates on the pillow with a Vanilla Visa card taped to the back. I put the Do Not Disturb sign on the door and I was all ready for our arrival the next morning.

Or so I thought.

I go pick her up, head over to the hotel, go to the room, only to find that the key card doesn't work. I go down to the front desk, show them the key cards and the envelope showing the room number and check-out date. I'm informed that I am nowhere in the computer, and they rented that room out to someone else (!) So, great, here's a nasty tangle for me to unravel:

(1) WTF is this renting out the same room when I personally showed up?

(2) I've got my stuff in there, including a pre-paid gift card!

(3) When the other party checked into the room, dontcha think they should have reported the extra stuff in the room?

(4) I have to on-the-spot give an excuse as to why I didn't actually sleep in the room and discover this problem earlier.

So the front desk lady goes up to the room, and manages to retrieve my stuff (including the gift card, yay). Still wondering WTF, but whatever. They then upgrade me for no charge to a nicer room for the next 24-hour period. So a bit embarrassed (I'm already squeamish about handing my license over, and now it's been twice), I go to the new room with my tail between my legs and text my baby the new room number. The first round of festivities commence, and a good time was had by all.

Then the phone rings.

The front desk tells me that the occupants of previous room are claiming that the chocolates and gift card were theirs, left there for them-get this-by their pastor. I tell the front desk point blank that they are lying. I ask her if they can correctly identify when the card was first filled and how much money is on it. They claim ignorance on the date, and guess the wrong amount. I tell her that they are dead wrong, but of course I need proof. So I open the package, read the numbers to her, and tell her to go to the Vanilla Visa web site, where she will find the matching purchase date and amount.

I wait ten minutes (with my baby valiantly trying to de-stress me), then call the front desk again. Everything is all clear, and the douche-bags have now left the premises. A second round of festivities commence, and a good time was had by all.

But seriously? Claiming the gift-card / chocolates were his? When I specifically called them out as something I had in the room?

As the title says, you can't make this shit up.

**Revvo** · 06-11-13 18:48

I had one that had a relatively modest tattoo around one of her angles and was very unhappy with it. So she would always try to hide it. To the point of not wearing skirts or dresses. And she looked really good In them. But at the same time she would let me spread her legs so wide I thought she would split in two, or point her perfect ass up in the air. But heaven forbid anyone see this small tattoo. Even to the point of having her in bed on all fours she would slip her ankle under the covers, rest of her would be completely naked and exposed.

I had another one that could only come twice and only twice. She was beautiful and sexy and loved sex. But could only come twice. What the fuck is that?

**F Scott** · 06-11-13 17:52

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

7. Won't see any SB that has more than 2 drinks.

HG,

We're talking about their quirks, not yours LOL! Seriously, though, very good list.

As for whether I am obsessed or not, honestly, since I lost my long-term ATF almost a year ago, I have been obsessed with finding a replacement. For me personally, my goal is to settle down with one, maybe two, babies with whom I have the Total Connection - looks, personality, intelligence, interests, sex drive - and then just focus on enjoying myself. If it means that I have to run through a dozen or more TBs, Temporary Babies, to get to the promised land, I'm ok with that. Again, for me it is not the restless search for the next Shiny New Baby that sends me to my laptop every morning, but rather the hope that I can find a couple of babies that will allow me to stop.

Perhaps oversharing,

Scott

**HollywoodGuy** · 06-11-13 17:12

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

Anyway what quirks have you guys seen? Revvo

1. Only wanted to have sex in the car (refused to let me get a room, ever). Hoping someone was watching. In England they call it dogging. Very popular there I hear.

2. Current one wants me to get a camera and hook it up to the tv so she can watch herself.

3. Had a girl cum giving me a BJ without touching herself. Current MILF gives me a BJ whenever she gets a little dry to get wet again. Got to love that.

4. X Sb was wet 24/7. In reverse we would have to call a DR. Like in the commercial.

5. Most bigger girl's like fisting if you can talk them into it.

6. Did a pro once that was allergic to cum. Ran to the bathroom to wash the cum off and puke.

7. Won't see any SB that has more than 2 drinks.

8. 80% smoke weed. But it is legal here.

9. Most are more willing to experiment. In general an average 19 y o does not date a 59 y o.

10. Mostly they are submissive. Want to be spanked, tied up, call you daddy, choked and want it rough. But not all.

**F Scott** · 06-11-13 16:54

One of my very first babies, a red-headed Amazon with a body that would bring tears to your eyes had a major germ / fluid phobia. I posted about her years ago. We made a huge wet spot on the bed, and when she saw it she jumped up like it was a 9 foot cobra, and started yelling at me about stds, protocol and the like. The kicker was I'm pretty sure it wasn't me who made it, since I was wearing a condom! All I could think of was "you are in the wrong game if you are afraid of a little pussy juice on your sheets". Actually, it was a pretty big spot, but still.

Many of the babies have been enthusiastic drinkers, but only a few would I characterize as "heavy drinkers". Quite a few have also like to be spanked, but I don't really consider that a quirk. All in all, I guess I've been lucky, even counting the baby I spent time with last Friday, who in between rounds put stones on my shakra points, whatever that means, to help with my energy flow. I wanted to tell her that I had taken my "vitamin" already, and so my energy flow was just fine, but she seemed so pleased to be doing it for me that I just didn't have the heart to say no. Once all the stones were in place, she did give me an awesome BJ, so I guess I shouldn't complain. She also had by far the cleanest apartment I have ever been in, without exception. It was a real pleasure not to be stepping over and around piles of crap while getting to the bedroom.
This is a fun topic, I hope more of you post up. I'll think if I remember any more.
Scott

**Hernando** · 06-11-13 16:17

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

T.

My question is do any of your guys find yourselves getting obsessed with your goal? I fear that sometimes I am. Here I am with two very good SB's and a couple of fine booty call SB's and several strong POTs and still late at night I am combing the website looking for the next perfect baby. I find that I am having to pull myself back a little. What about the other mongers on here? Do you notice this?

Another subject is Quirks. I have noticed within my group of SB's that I have contact with over the months, there are a cacophony of strange quirks among them. Here are a few that I have noticed:

Revvo

Yes, this hobby becomes an obsession or addiction. I participate to the point it hurts my work, family, and financial status. Yet I still can't get enough. I am only limited by my financial resources

Quirks? The girls who participate here ALL have major emotional issues. Quirks is putting it mildly

**Dump My Goo** · 06-11-13 13:03

Originally Posted by HighCotton [View Original Post]

I got to say. And I'm not married. But my favorite "absurdity" on SA is "I won't see married men". I just read this on a profile." I don't mind you having options but I am not one of them if you have vowed to be faithful to your wife."

Really.

OMG. K.

You will have sex with me for money (which is a wonderful thing, don't get me wrong, I don't judge) , but not if I am married.

Awesome juxtaposition of American Puritanism and American Capitalism.

Another reason to thank our D-Day heroes on this special day. And I mean that. They made the world safe for virtuous hookers.

I mean I may see them as escorts and you may see them that way, but they don't see themselves that way. I mean if they did they would just be escorts. There is a big difference. They're on these sites looking for someone who they can have a steady sugar for sugar relationship with. I'm talking about the true SB's not the semi-pros and pros. They get to pick and choose what they are attracted to just like we get to pick what we are attracted to. If they were an escort and did incall. Than yeah, they take one and all as fast as they cum. I'm married so I've had a few SB's (that didn't have it in their profile) msg me back in response to my email saying that they wouldn't meet because I'm married. One said it has nothing to do with what I'm doing (not judging me) but she would judge herself differently. Whatever, who am I to say. I was glad they responded at least that beats the non response at all. Almost every SB I've talked to ot had a M&G with very early on said something to the effect of "I'm not a prostitute". To which if you have half a brain you reply "of course you're not, I don't look at you that way. And that's not what I'm looking for if it was I'd be looking somewhere else." they eat that shit up. That is part of the "game" that needs to be played.

**Revvo** · 06-11-13 10:06

This is a funny business we are in. All you have to do is look at the reports on here and realize this takes lots of persistence and patience. And in order to do the work you have to have a certain attitude to stay into the game. One is a thick skin, but another is a real strong focus on your goal. The problem with this is this strong focus can sometimes take over your life. Dare I say create a bit of an obsession? I have to keep asking myself on regular intervals; 1. Am I still having fun with this? 2. Am I going overboard and getting obsessed? 3. Is this what I really want?

My question is do any of your guys find yourselves getting obsessed with your goal? I fear that sometimes I am. Here I am with two very good SB's and a couple of fine booty call SB's and several strong POTs and still late at night I am combing the website looking for the next perfect baby. I find that I am having to pull myself back a little. What about the other mongers on here? Do you notice this?

Another subject is Quirks. I have noticed within my group of SB's that I have contact with over the months, there are a cacophony of strange quirks among them. Here are a few that I have noticed:

-I had one that told me that she was obsessed with spit and saliva, that she loved sex and everything about it but do not use too much spit, no licking or wet willies, and do not spit on her pussy. Ha Ha, this is a chick that has tried some very kinky stuff, like getting choked and peed on. Go figure.

-I had another that did not like to be touched on the inner forearms from about the bottom of the bicep to the top of the forearm. She would literally get sick and natious if you even touched her there.

-There was another one that did not want to have too many people standing too close to her. But she would fuck like crazy when we got to the FC and could not get close enough.

-Another one that was cute and sweet as can be, but if a stranger even looked at her weird she would get right into their face.

-I had one that freaked out when going into elevators. So when we met at a hotel she wanted to be on a low floor. Not always possible on tall hotels. So we climbed quite a few stairs to get to the FC sometimes. Did not help the mood at all after a long climb.

-Almost all of them had problems with driving in a car. Freaking out at normal driving. Very easy car sickness. Have to have the window open even on the hottest or coldest days. Wigging out when pulling op too close to another car. Literally grabbing the oh shit handle and going white knuckle as if we are in the movie "Smokey and the Bandit" but I am just driving slowly at 30 mph on a neighborhood street with no other cars around.

-And many drank. A lot! Certainly more than me. They would order up several different kinds of drinks in one sitting and drink them all. One drank only Goldschlager shots and hated the taste, but drank it anyway over and over, and before we would leave she would order another. Almost as if she is torturing herself.

Anyway what quirks have you guys seen?

Revvo

**BigTigger** · 06-11-13 00:49

Quick Updates.

MsIntelligentBeauty. Helped her with some school bills as she is on board for lots of loving and being much more affectionate. I'm not very optimistic, but we'll see.

MsBadBreath. She was the potential 6/8/9, didn't last long. Met for dinner, went well. I gave her some gas money. Helped her with a car problem a few days before our next meeting. On my way to the meeting she was insistent on getting sugar before the deed was done and had a negative attitude in general. She even complained about driving 30 mins even though I was driving 2 hours. Just in general been burned too often and disrespected me and my generosity. Eventually I cancelled the date and turned around.

MsParaLegal. She was the POT 9/9/9 who is actually 8/8/9. Personality is good, body is great, looks are good too. She wants to move slower, isn't the most consistent communicator. She is however cool with only getting gas money until we start doing the Tiggabounce! We are meeting again this week.

MsLifeGuard. We had a great first date. Went to the second date, night started well and she ended up getting cold feet. After we are actually in the bed. Ugh!

Anyway, she took the weekend to think things over and is ready to move forward and is prepared to get busy. We'll see. I told her, money will be gas money until the Tiggabounce and that we cannot get a room again if she's not giving it up.

MsCLBeauty. Visiting hometown and not sure if she's coming back. I'm hoping to get one more Tiggabounce in before she leaves, we'll see.

Leaving for STL on Sunday. Decided against 4 for 4. I'm doing 2 for 2 days each. 1 Wed and Fri and 1 Thurs and Sat. I like the familiarity that comes with hitting it twice in a short period of time. One is down for the Tiggabounce both nights, the other one may take 2 nites. But with boobs as huge as hers, I'll invest that first night. Both are white. I have two AA as backups.

BigTigg

**BigTigger** · 06-11-13 00:31

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

I just wanted to remind the brotherhood to make sure you spend time writing a profile that does a good job of describing who you are and what you want. My Euro Baby found me by search and my profile got her attention so she sought me out. As I said, she basically just fell into my lap.

Some of the best SBs I've had were the ones that contacted me first. Because I added a good amount of detail to my profile, after you weed out the long distance girls and spam, the girls who contact me after reading it are usually pre-qualified very well right from the start.

Obviously, being proactive and sending out first contact messages is still very important. But a well-written profile which details what you're looking for can bring in a surprise or two either today or a few weeks / months from now. I've noticed when I make the initial contact usually I can snag up to a 7. But the times I got an 8 or above, they almost always made the initial contact. It doesn't happen often, but the time I spent on writing my profile (on both SA and SDFM) has paid dividends. So don't overlook it.

3000% Agree!